Cheesecutter campaign

**MSTRS:Me** · 9th April 2010, 07:44

Originally Posted by monkeymcbean

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Okay, its most likely covered here somewhere in all these posts, but I think they can modidfy these wire rope barriers to make them safer for motorcyclist, buy adding a top rail and a runner board along the sides..(broken down simply here),

Not as far as I know. There are various products utilised with Armco (mototub is a tube laid under the rail to cover the posts). But nothing for WRB. A fellow in Paraparaumu developed a sleeve to cover this shit...Transit/NZTA did not want to know.
For us, the wire/s are almost as bad as the posts, but what the wires do is 'direct' a body into the posts...chop chop...
The posts are made of friable metal (hard, but brittle). We don't break them, but cars do. Technically, a heavy-ish vehicle with a steel bar poking out the side could drive along, smashing all the posts as it goes.
A gas-axe or large bolt cutters could part the wire/s. The now-loose wire whipping free would not be a problem to the person doing the cutting...but don't stand down-wire of that person...

**swbarnett** · 9th April 2010, 11:30

Originally Posted by monkeymcbean

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Oh, I must be mis informed, ...

I was referring to suggested attemps to cut the wires as a way of destroying the WRBs. Because of the enormous tension the wire is under any attempt to cut them would result in a sudden and potentially fatal release of said pressure.

**Bald Eagle** · 9th April 2010, 11:43

Originally Posted by swbarnett

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I was referring to suggested attemps to cut the wires as a way of destroying the WRBs. Because of the enormous tension the wire is under any attempt to cut them would result in a sudden and potentially fatal release of said pressure.

A short length of cortex stand well clear and sweet as .

**swbarnett** · 9th April 2010, 15:18

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A short length of cortex stand well clear and sweet as .

Sounds like a plan. Now who has the guts (or perhaps stupidity) to implement it?

**inlinefour** · 10th April 2010, 18:57

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You talkin' crazy man, nothing is here to stay. Fart tax was about to be here to stay till someone drove a tractor up the parliament steps, and our rego's were gonna be astronomic till bikoi's etc, reducing them to mere stratospheric. If folks want to let the powers that be know that they things these are lethal to those not in a cage because they forgot to think of that scenario, then so be it.

You've been brainwashed by the system man, like, far out.

And selfish? Ya reckon? If it kills 4 motorcyclists to save one SUV, does that make them okay? That sounds selfish on the part of the SUV to me. And believe it or not, there are options that are safe for all, and that's all anyone's trying to let anyone know.

I'm not brainwashed at all. I can see the bigger picture and are able to see outside the box, which is your KB motorcyclists limited view. The fact is that the typical farm fence is fatal if its hit at speed. So why is it that you all can ride beside them and not the wire cable type barrier? The real rediculous thing is that your debate for banning wire cable type barriers is seriously flawed. Plus the fact that there are often other routes that can be taken by a motorcyclist trying to avoid them. Plus if a motorcyclist rides responsibly, there is no reason why they should even get close to one if they travel a road with them. This site has traditionally been bikers who bleat about things they don't like or getting caught doing stupid shit. This whole cheese cutter campaign is taking it to a new level and quite unrealistic. The fact is that if motorcycling is getting too risky for some, then its time they sell their motorcycle(s). Likewise if the registration is getting too much. Plus if it saves 1 SUV, its likely to have several people in it. There might be safer options, the safest would be to not ride a motorcycle at all. Plus if that option was taken, no one would need to be upset over the cost of registration.

**Urano** · 10th April 2010, 21:40

Originally Posted by inlinefour

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there is no reason why they should even get close to one

the reason could simply be a cager don't driving responsibly.
not so much time ago, one of ours got a stair in the middle of the highway. the cars preceding him covered the sight, so he found the stair at 20 meters in front of him in speed and didn't manage to avoid...

The fact is that if motorcycling is getting too risky for some, then its time they sell their motorcycle

man, this is truly a non-sense. has your car safety belts? why then? you could simply sell your car and go with the tube...

**monkeymcbean** · 11th April 2010, 17:09

www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv/esv19/05-0095-O.pdf

Hmmm, this survey result was of various types of barriers and resulting motorcycle collision, on re reading on pg 8 was a runner board installed on the uprights so the there is not so much snagging occuring to the motorbike and rider. It was a runner board not installed on the wire rope style barrier thou it seems this sort of modification should be able to work for these barriers if Transit keep installing these styles at a prolific rate they appear to be in my eyes.

**monkeymcbean** · 11th April 2010, 17:12

Originally Posted by MSTRS

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Not as far as I know. There are various products utilised with Armco (mototub is a tube laid under the rail to cover the posts). But nothing for WRB. A fellow in Paraparaumu developed a sleeve to cover this shit...Transit/NZTA did not want to know.
For us, the wire/s are almost as bad as the posts, but what the wires do is 'direct' a body into the posts...chop chop...
The posts are made of friable metal (hard, but brittle). We don't break them, but cars do. Technically, a heavy-ish vehicle with a steel bar poking out the side could drive along, smashing all the posts as it goes.
A gas-axe or large bolt cutters could part the wire/s. The now-loose wire whipping free would not be a problem to the person doing the cutting...but don't stand down-wire of that person...

www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv/esv19/05-0095-O.pdf

Hmmm, this survey result was of various types of barriers and resulting motorcycle collision, on re reading on pg 8 was a runner board installed on the uprights so the there is not so much snagging occuring to the motorbike and rider. It was a runner board not installed on the wire rope style barrier thou it seems this sort of modification should be able to work for these barriers if Transit keep installing these styles at a prolific rate they appear to be in my eyes.

p.s. I did not realise it could be so easy to take those things out...

**monkeymcbean** · 11th April 2010, 17:30

Originally Posted by swbarnett

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Sounds like a plan. Now who has the guts (or perhaps stupidity) to implement it?

Im sure if nothing is done about it or no one is listening, and there are more motorcycle fatilities or injuries involving WRB, why not, I don't think you need guts or be stupid, someone or people will get feed up and take things into there own hands, unfortunately like in alot of cases it will take more fatilities and injuries for people to get motivated.

**inlinefour** · 11th April 2010, 18:03

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the reason could simply be a cager don't driving responsibly.
not so much time ago, one of ours got a stair in the middle of the highway. the cars preceding him covered the sight, so he found the stair at 20 meters in front of him in speed and didn't manage to avoid...

man, this is truly a non-sense. has your car safety belts? why then? you could simply sell your car and go with the tube...

It makes perfect sense, its just that you have to think about it as a general road user and not a motorcyclist. If a motorcyclist does not ride defensively then its just a matter of time until they find themself in a dangerous situation. So why are you lot blaming the road barriers, other road users and/or anything other than the individual motorcyclist? Your whole campaign against the wire cable road barriers is pointless and does nothing but lay false blame. When its up to each individual who rides a motorcycle to ride responsibly and accept the fact that what they are doing is potentially dangerous.

**bogan** · 11th April 2010, 18:29

as I've said before, why are bikers required to ride within their lanes to survive when car drivers are not?

**Urano** · 11th April 2010, 19:57

Originally Posted by inlinefour

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motorcycle to ride responsibly

well...
my point is already clear.
i only want to add that today riding with responsibility is no more enough: you have to ride with "circumspection"

**MSTRS:Me** · 12th April 2010, 07:31

Originally Posted by inlinefour

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... a general road user ...

Everybody who operates a vehicle of any sort, on a road, is a 'general road-user'. We are not special, and we are not asking to be treated differently. The complete opposite, actually. The fact is that barriers are installed for 'safety' purposes (what other reason is there) and should work for all.
I hear what you say about farm fences. Yes, going into one of those is not a good thing. However...the difference there is that generally, the fence is quite some way off the road, whereas WRB are often literally within inches of the road edge. And by 'edge', I mean the solid line marking...not the seal edge. Also, I've yet to see a farm fence taking the place of the dotted lane markings.
The other difference is that there are many stories of bikers going through a wire farm fence and surviving... not too many where WRBs are concerned.

**MSTRS:Me** · 12th April 2010, 13:02

Just been made aware of the latest piece of dismembering road furniture...
http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Gallery....ctid=nuguard31 Look at photo #1
Just look at what you are presented with as you slide diagonally off the road into the road safety feature...

**p.dath** · 12th April 2010, 16:35

Originally Posted by MSTRS

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Just been made aware of the latest piece of dismembering road furniture...
http://www.csppacific.co.nz/Gallery....ctid=nuguard31 Look at photo #1
Just look at what you are presented with as you slide diagonally off the road into the road safety feature...

Itr really needs a second rail to prevent a bike/human from sliding under the top rail and getting smacked or cut up.