And that 90mm rod and bearings survive at 30,000 rpm how?
Even a plain bearing with force fed oiling at 54.5mm stroke has thrown the rod thru the computer screen
at over twice the speeds we see now.
And that 90mm rod and bearings survive at 30,000 rpm how?
Even a plain bearing with force fed oiling at 54.5mm stroke has thrown the rod thru the computer screen
at over twice the speeds we see now.
Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.
Fletto,
I'm in the dark as anyone.
Just thought that we'd add a bit of a reality check. The pics shows a schematic of the overall dimensions and hence constraints. This is based on scaling of the VM homologation drawings and the info from the CIK application.
Rightly or wrongly, we chucked in a piston of full skirt incorporating an oil scraper, pretty much as I described in my earlier post. So, while RicM4 has indicated a neat layout with some clever ideas utilizing a piston rod, I can't see that it could all fit within the overall dimensional envelope, ie the con rod eye passes well beyond the spacer plate.
As a final comment for the day, I wouldn’t be limited to thinking that the current norm of 2A, 2D and 1C passages (as suggested by the externals of the cast cylinder) are really that. There could be anything lurking within.
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Pretty sure they never said the 30000 rpm was with a single 125 though or did they?
The Foul Stroke 250 MX with a roller big end and similar stroke and rod length achieves pretty close to the revs claimed for the ryger.
But then again I have never actually tachoed one, they sound horrible at MX all sitting they banging on and of the rev limiter on the start line
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The CRF250 has a stroke of 53.8 and revs to around 17K so yes the plain bearing pressure oiled crank is reliable at those rpm
exactly as I would expect.
But the Ryger concept has the same stoke near enough, and we believe its a plain bearing "mechanism " of some sort, but
yes ITS reliable at 30,000 rpm we have been told.
Not even remotely the same ballpark.
Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.
I am not sure that is what has been said. I seem to remember some speculation that 30000rpm could be achievable. But there were no claims that I seen that this was with a 54mm stroke and a single though.
I think Harry was pretty forthcoming on the Race hero's of yesteryear thread.
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There are certain differences though...the 4T with it's "coasting" stroke puts big load reversals into the rod and pins. The 2T is always under compression which should make a difference.
Not saying you're wrong, I don't have the computing power available to quantify it...
RAW - If I remember correctly, Honda found when going over 20,000 rpm with their multis that the ignition point became less important, almost irrelevant as long as it ran some advance. You'd wonder if, at those revs,the fire ever went out...glowplugs anyone ?
Octane became irrelevant at high revs. Not sure if the advance was though. Those early 4V Hondas needed plenty of advance initially anyway up to 50 degrees I think , due to the wide valve angles dictated by the air cooling they had causing the inefficient combustion chamber shape.
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So wouldn't it be better to add still another pumping chamber? Or ten of those?
If you let your lower chamber communicate with the upper chamber, the compressing chamber simply moves the mixture to the expanding chamber. One chamber breathing to or from another won't give you double-pumping action; it will only violate KISS. You can compress the mixture as many times as you want; it won't change the amount of mass that was initially inhaled.
Double-pumping requires each chamber to breathe from atmosphere and into a receiver, but this would be a clear violation of the 'no supercharging' rule found in most rulebooks.
RicM = Rick Maas; he is the Dutch guy who built the servo-controlled trombone pipe that I presented here some time ago.Pretty sure RicM has posted here before or was it Pitlane?
Frits has categorically said several times that the 125 kart engine makes 70 Hp @ 17K and revs to 30,000.
And he is a man I respect - who wont say what he isnt allowed to, but for sure I believe what he does actually say.
The homolgation application papers show the bore/stroke and rod length for that single cylinder 125 engine he
has been talking about.
That engine if it gets passed by the CIK it must run the homologated PVL analogue ignition with all but a straight line advance curve.
I have test bench graphs from PVL that show plenty of ignition power up to 20,000 so maybe its OK at another 10,000.
It must be as Frits has driven the thing at 30,000 in reality - havnt you been watching.
Ive got a thing thats unique and new.To prove it I'll have the last laugh on you.Cause instead of one head I got two.And you know two heads are better than one.
The idea of the double pumping was more to allow continuous induction it would alternately breath through the upper and lower in turns . The crankcase does a similar thing on a two stroke.
In practice the under and over pumping would be pumping no more that the actual capacity of the cylinder wouldn't it? so technically legalish.
Regardless If the mixture was compressed, wouldn't it be able to flow faster buying valuable time.
Bugger the rules they are made by four stroke people anyway.
Thought the name rung a bell.............
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Whoops Wob i indeed missed where Frits said it revved to 30000 when he drove it.
but i have bolded it and the 54ms.
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