Bain gets a retrial

[SixPackBack]

I read some evidence that supported this too. They did charge him with 5 murders, so in theory he could be found guilty of the one murder.

I think his lawyers have done a pretty good job of introducing reasonable doubt though. I suspect he'll walk.

'Corse he will walk.
Given public opinion, if he did kill the 'ol boy he would be hailed as a hero and doing the community a favour.

[Skyryder]

One is taking with several grains of salt the stories of incest and other sexual misadventures alleged from the former Bain household. If Laniet has, as alleged, had three different children out of wedlock, one allegedly sired by a black Papua New Guinean while she was on VSA work and one by her father, where are these children (now adults)?

They (the Bains) are clearly all nuts. David appears to be the most sane of the lot of them. God knows what happened in that Dunedin house on the morning in question. I am now long past caring. I am convinced that David Bain poses no risk to society or to those around him. Conviction nowithstanding, let the poor bugger go. He has done his time and I am certain that us taxpayers should have more pressing needs for our hard-earned contributions.

I tend to agree with the exception of David Bain being the most sane. He's the only one still alive so comparisons are difficult to make. He may be the smartest but that too is in doubt for the same reasons.

Given that so many make the excuse of sexual molestation for 'going off the rails' for want a better phase I can not help but pause to consider that this was Laneit's excuse for working as a prostitute. Of course the money and the 'laid back' life style had nothing to do with her decision??

I too am a bit suspiciouse of what she has 'alledgedly' said in respect of 'her' baby that any utterences that she has made to her friends has to be suspect.

So far I have not come to the conclusion that the defence has cast reasonable doubt on Bains guilt.


Skyryder

[awayatc]

Bain there....
done that.....

[Skyryder]

Bain there....
done that.....

and got away with it.



Skyryder

[Hitcher]

and got away with it.

David Bain hasn't "got away with it." In case anybody has forgotten he has spent a considerable number of years at Her Majesty's Pleasure. His conviction was quashed on appeal. I suspect that the only reason he's being retried is so that the Crown doesn't have to pay compensation for wrongful conviction.

[Mom]

David Bain hasn't "got away with it." In case anybody has forgotten he has spent a considerable number of years at Her Majesty's Pleasure. His conviction was quashed on appeal. I suspect that the only reason he's being retried is so that the Crown doesn't have to pay compensation for wrongful conviction.

I love your cynicism, I also agree

[Winston001]

I suspect that the only reason he's being retried is so that the Crown doesn't have to pay compensation for wrongful conviction.

Not really. Five people were coldly murdered. The police, the Crown, the ordinary public can't just shrug their shoulders and say "too hard". The evidence against Bain is very strong. To let him walk away would not be just or right.

As for compensation - he'd need to be exonerated, like David Doherty, to have a good chance. But.......yes he could very well get something if acquitted on the basis of being wrongly imprisoned in the first place. Neverthless "Not Guilty" is a long long way from being innocent.

There is another guy, Rex Haig who was released on appeal but has been refused compensation. Same sort of case.

[Headbanger]

I can not help but pause to consider that this was Laneit's excuse for working as a prostitute. Of course the money and the 'laid back' life style had nothing to do with her decision??
Skyryder

Dunno about that, The small number of street whores I have known over the years have had the shitest life style, mental state and money situation I have ever encountered.

[short-circuit]

Bain killed the father....Explains the difficulty with the rifle, other inconsistencies and his weird (fake) behaviour - fitting and tone during emergency call.....

After he discovers the father had killed the rest of them

Whaddaya reckon?

[Beemer]

Sounds like his sister could have done with a can of this...

[testastretta]

David Bain will be found not guilty if just one of the jury members share the views of some of the posters on the last few pages of this thread.
Reality,the evidence against David is overwhelming(Stephens blood on him,scratches on his face,his bloody palm print on the washing machine,hearing gurgling from his sister while Robin is dead on the floor yet she died instantly from a final gunshot to the head,etc etc).While the evidence against Robin is very weak(No blood on him other than his own,a full bladder,accusations of incest from a daughter who was probably the most disturbed member of the family(next to David)and by many accounts was known to tell different versions of stories that may not even be true.
Clearly the defense case is all about reasonable doubt because all scientific evidence goes against David.

[Swoop]

Clearly the defense case is all about reasonable doubt because all scientific evidence goes against David.

Interesting statement.
How many court cases have you been on?

[Skyryder]

David Bain hasn't "got away with it." In case anybody has forgotten he has spent a considerable number of years at Her Majesty's Pleasure. His conviction was quashed on appeal. I suspect that the only reason he's being retried is so that the Crown doesn't have to pay compensation for wrongful conviction.

It was a 'flippant' quip that seemed appropiate at the time. As for not getting any compensation...................I would not hold my breath on that.


Actually I think he will be found guilty.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

David Bain will be found not guilty if just one of the jury members share the views of some of the posters on the last few pages of this thread.
Reality,the evidence against David is overwhelming(Stephens blood on him,scratches on his face,his bloody palm print on the washing machine,hearing gurgling from his sister while Robin is dead on the floor yet she died instantly from a final gunshot to the head,etc etc).While the evidence against Robin is very weak(No blood on him other than his own,a full bladder,accusations of incest from a daughter who was probably the most disturbed member of the family(next to David)and by many accounts was known to tell different versions of stories that may not even be true.
Clearly the defense case is all about reasonable doubt because all scientific evidence goes against David.

Yes and that is the very reason I think he will be found guilty. As I have said in another post of mine the defence has not produced any credible evidence of 'reasonable doubt.' It's all based on what Laneit has said about her father and the additional evidence of her having a baby has got to be supect so this makes anything she is supposed to have said unreliable.

David Bain has never given an explanation for his injuries..........oh but he's had blackouts etc. Funny how that only started after the deaths of the family. There is no history of him having blackout..............or for that matter forgetting his lines.


Skyryder

[madbikeboy]

It's interesting how this case divides people into two camps (well, of course). Most of the law enforcement people and ESR people I know are in the guilty as hell camp, reasons outlined earlier. Enough physical evidence to hang him.

Then you get the other side, Joe Karam is smart, he believes, plus the goofy jumpers and big ears...

The case was possibly badly handled, but the view I've heard expressed a few times is that it gave the police and ESR the determination to get much better at collecting evidence, protecting crime scenes etc.

I think the guy is as guilty as sin. Too much evidence... Will he get off. More than likely.