Not cool to contact sponsors

[GIXser]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!

[Robert Taylor]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!

Eddie, like many sports there are in this sport many parasites and you have to watch your back all the time.

[cowpoos]

I can't believe people are that stupid and rude!!!

Sponsors arn't hollow people....they generally build a relationship with their teams...and will protect it like a friendship!!

[cowpoos]

in this sport many parasites

hmm <I wonder who he's talking about>

[Ragingrob]

Can sponsors not sponsor more than one person? :confused:

[Patch]

for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
:laugh: only an idiot would find that out the hard way


Don't be shy big fulla

[Tony.OK]

Crickey...............at least have the decency to hound Ed 1st like I have:love:

[Quasievil]

Sorry Eddie I wont do it again, I can only hope that sony or panasonic take up my cause to attend the international porn convention

[Maido]

Can sponsors not sponsor more than one person? :confused:

Thats what I was thinking, There are many companies around that sponsor more than one person. You should take it as a compliment that people see your relationship with your current sponsor as being a good one. I doubt there was malice there and them trying to oust you guys.
(by the way it wasn't me!)

[CookMySock]

Sponsoring is just a normal business activity, for both parties. It's fair and normal for either party to take a look at making a new deal. They, or you, will want to see what options are out there and whether they (or you) can get a better deal. No one keeps a rider or sponsor forever.

But hey, if you keep your sponsors fully catered for, they will have no complaints, right? And the same the other way around?

So don't feel sore about them keeping abrest of their options. Wouldn't you do the same?

Steve

[Billy]

Sponsoring is just a normal business activity, for both parties. It's fair and normal for either party to take a look at making a new deal. They, or you, will want to see what options are out there and whether they (or you) can get a better deal. No one keeps a rider or sponsor forever.

But hey, if you keep your sponsors fully catered for, they will have no complaints, right? And the same the other way around?

So don't feel sore about them keeping abrest of their options. Wouldn't you do the same?

Steve

Absolutely agree with this post.Sponsors are not something you own outright and are not to be taken for granted.As stated above,If your keeping your end of the deal there should be no worries.Business is business and there are NO friends,Get over it

[sinfull]

Crickey...............at least have the decency to hound Ed 1st like I have:love:

Yeah and me, like a bloody terrier bwahahahaha ! but then i wasn't looking for myself !!!!
Looks like there are a few ppl comming to the party with gear and consumables ! Good on Dave at Hi Torque cycles for backing him with EVERYTHING at cost for the last year !
But i can't believe a manufacturer aint snapped him up yet !

[scracha]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship..


Dammit, you've put another spanner in my WSBK career ladder

[Trudes]

How does one go about getting sponsorship?
Do you have to prove your skills on and off the track and then wait for someone to approach you, or is getting off your date and asking around, putting it out there that you'd like to go further with some help in return for advertising, promotion etc frowned upon?
Just asking. I thought taking a bit of initiative and showing that you're committed by trying to help yourself would be a good thing.

[Patch]

Ain't no-one gonna help you until you help yourself.

Sometimes just helps being in the right place at the right time Trudes and also who you know . . . but in Eddie's case, he's just a pretty boy with a nice arse

[CookMySock]

I thought taking a bit of initiative and showing that you're committed by trying to help yourself would be a good thing.Absolutely. That's what makes the world go around. No initiative = go nowhere, get nothing while waiting for money tree to grow.

Steve

[Trudes]

Ain't no-one gonna help you until you help yourself.

Sometimes just helps being in the right place at the right time Trudes and also who you know . . . but in Eddie's case, he's just a pretty boy with a nice arse

haha, well that explains it! :laugh:

[Ragingrob]

I'm glad I got some responses for my comment! Why would a company have to be restricted to sponsoring one person??

I'm sponsored by a company that sponsors probably a good few thousand people worldwide.

[prettybillie]

Sorry Eddie I wont do it again, I can only hope that sony or panasonic take up my cause to attend the international porn convention

Hey - I'll sponsor you for that. On the condition that you ride the next Taupo track day in nothing but a tutu and ballet slippers :Punk:

[prettybillie]

Ain't no-one gonna help you until you help yourself.

Sometimes just helps being in the right place at the right time Trudes and also who you know . . . but in Eddie's case, he's just a pretty boy with a nice arse

So I've got to become a pretty boy with a nice arse - I'm fucked then! :laugh:

[GSVR]

This thread reminds me of one started by Jimmy when someone approached WPB?

LG seems to sponsor heaps of people so I suppose it was worth a shot.

What LG really needs is presence in every class to guarantee exposure and maxium saturation.

[GIXser]

I dont think some of ya get it.. im not worried about people approching companies for sponsorships... but do you think a simple email will do it....!!???
not only that... think outside the box people....
would you give someone thousands of dollars.. just from a simple email.....(unless its nigerian ofcourse..) have the balls to phone em or better yet turn up in person if you really want to make an impression ....

[Drogen Omen]

awwwwww... I was gona ask ya if u could sponsor my son...

He's only 20 weeks old but check it out he's already riding a bike... hahahahahah

:scooter:

[Shaun]

Absolutely agree with this post.Sponsors are not something you own outright and are not to be taken for granted.As stated above,If your keeping your end of the deal there should be no worries.Business is business and there are NO friends,Get over it



100% agree Billy. amazing just how rude some people can be back at people that contact companies for support that are already supporting some one or thing.

LG are your sponsors fine, but people are always going to ask mate, so relax about it.

[Shaun]

awwwwww... I was gona ask ya if u could sponsor my son...

He's only 20 weeks old but check it out he's already riding a bike... hahahahahah

:scooter:



Congrats man

call me when he is big enough

[Rcktfsh]

Can sponsors not sponsor more than one person? :confused:

Like in NZ V8's where LG have multiple sponsorships, Fogg obviously which as I understand it was through Punch and Radiscich through LG directly.

[Sonykid]

I dont think some of ya get it.. im not worried about people approching companies for sponsorships... but do you think a simple email will do it....!!???
not only that... think outside the box people....
would you give someone thousands of dollars.. just from a simple email.....(unless its nigerian ofcourse..) have the balls to phone em or better yet turn up in person if you really want to make an impression ....

Some (Read most) of us don't get it because that is not what your original post said!.
100% agree with the other contributors that all sponsors are fair game, after all they make the call, the requester can only ask the question.

BTW; It was not me either. :laugh:

[R6_kid]

I'm glad I got some responses for my comment! Why would a company have to be restricted to sponsoring one person??

I'm sponsored by a company that sponsors probably a good few thousand people worldwide.

Nothing wrong with a company sponsoring more than one person - LG are already sponsoring Sloan Frost aswell as Eddie.

What you need to realise is the Eddie got the sponsorship through personal contacts and networking which took a lot of time. I know for a fact there was a lot more involved in him getting sponsored than just going out and asking for money.

I think it is arrogant to go up and ask someone elses sponsors for support, especially when you have no previous relationship with them, or perhaps even the people they are already supporting - especially when you know see the amount of financial support that is being given.

Have a spine and some balls at least to stand up on your own feet before you go trying to knock people down from what they've worked for. MORE sponsors is what he sport needs - go out and get your own.

[Maido]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!


I dont think some of ya get it.. im not worried about people approching companies for sponsorships... but do you think a simple email will do it....!!???
not only that... think outside the box people....
would you give someone thousands of dollars.. just from a simple email.....(unless its nigerian ofcourse..) have the balls to phone em or better yet turn up in person if you really want to make an impression ....

I see what you mean now, I assumed (we know what assumptions are!) that the person(s) had approached LG with a sponsorship proposal, not a single email.
You must admit it was easy to misinterpret your first post.

[FROSTY]

I must say Eddie from your first post my response was WTF.
LG specifically looks to be out there sposoring a fair few teams in a fair few sports.
So I can't see the issue with aproaching LG especially as said before if the racers aren't in the same race class as you.
But I suspect a lot of issues are raised by not so much what is said to the sponsors more HOW its said.

[boomer]

You need to harden up ya big fookin puff..


My dad always said.. ''If you never ask, then you'll never get!' You don't have an exclusive arrangement with LG, granted you have a good relationship; but nothing anywhere stops people asking the question. ( and you of all people know, that in business anything is fair...?! )


Any one who thinks otherwise is delusional...

Example and case in point; How did Sloan come on board after you?


you can get ya nickers in a twist over some real simple shit sometimes...

[SlideMoto]

To Whom It May Concern.

Good day to you sir. Firstly, allau me to inchrodushe myselve.

My name is Guido, and mate, I am the anshwer to your sponsorship needsh mate. I’m-a telling you mate, I ride a Fatboy mate with chrome running boards and a Screamin Eagle air filter mate. It’sh sho badd-ass mate that when the lay-deez she me ridin down the road mate, they all faint.

I am telling you my friend that thish bike ish sho quick mate, that your current ridersh Eddy and Slow-n wont shtand a chance, kay mate? Thoshe horrible GSXRs will not she what way my 1450cc Harley went, allright my friend?

Now lishen here, oaky, thish is the best bit. If you give me only twenny thoushand dollars for the entire season, okay, you will get naming rights to my Screamin Guido Racing team and a shticker on the front guard to cover where my cousin Vinny scratched the paint with a bottle cap, alright mate?

I am telling you mate that you will not be dishapointed, okay mate, you will need to know who the bosh ish though mate and that ish me.

Let me tell you mate, I am looking very forward to receiving your check in the mail mate.

Yoursh

Guido Hatzis
Squakin Chicken Racing

[Shaun]

You need to harden up ya big fookin puff..


My dad always said.. ''If you never ask, then you'll never get!' You don't have an exclusive arrangement with LG, granted you have a good relationship; but nothing anywhere stops people asking the question. ( and you of all people know, that in business anything is fair...?! )


Any one who thinks otherwise is delusional...

Example and case in point; How did Sloan come on board after you?


you can get ya nickers in a twist over some real simple shit sometimes...



Ha ha boomer at it again

Hey boomer, perhaps I should NOT contact LG again, to say HI or thanks for promoting our sport

And thet really do need some one who will reply to Purchase requests on a web site they the team use, 1 rider did, but nothing else, SO NO sale for LG from me:2guns:

PS, perhaps all riders should never contact Suzuki or Yamaha either untill they have NO riders Strooth

Eddy, its each to there own man, so if a rider wants to send a one page bullshit approach, just read laugh, and throw it out mate

[boomer]

To Whom It May Concern.

Good day to you sir. Firstly, allau me to inchrodushe myselve.

My name is Guido, and mate, I am the anshwer to your sponsorship needsh mate. I’m-a telling you mate, I ride a Fatboy mate with chrome running boards and a Screamin Eagle air filter mate. It’sh sho badd-ass mate that when the lay-deez she me ridin down the road mate, they all faint.

I am telling you my friend that thish bike ish sho quick mate, that your current ridersh Eddy and Slow-n wont shtand a chance, kay mate? Thoshe horrible GSXRs will not she what way my 1450cc Harley went, allright my friend?

Now lishen here, oaky, thish is the best bit. If you give me only twenny thoushand dollars for the entire season, okay, you will get naming rights to my Screamin Guido Racing team and a shticker on the front guard to cover where my cousin Vinny scratched the paint with a bottle cap, alright mate?

I am telling you mate that you will not be dishapointed, okay mate, you will need to know who the bosh ish though mate and that ish me.

Let me tell you mate, I am looking very forward to receiving your check in the mail mate.

Yoursh

Guido Hatzis
Squakin Chicken Racing


i larfed.. and larfed.. nice

[SlideMoto]

And thet really do need some one who will reply to Purchase requests on a web site they the team use, 1 rider did, but nothing else, SO NO sale for LG from me:2guns:

You are joking right?

You honestly tried to buy LG equipment by posting a post on biker website that the two riders frequent?

Bwahahahahahaha thats hilarious.

Im goona subscribe to the documentary channel. any one got Andrew Strouds number?

Hahahahahahahaha I just wet myself a little.

[Shaun]

You are joking right?

You honestly tried to buy LG equipment by posting a post on biker website that the two riders frequent?

Bwahahahahahaha thats hilarious.

Im goona subscribe to the documentary channel. any one got Andrew Strouds number?

Hahahahahahahaha I just wet myself a little.



Not at all dude, Sloan and eddy live on here, Sloan replied

Good work sloan for your sponsors

[boomer]

Eddie can just about fkin dress himself never mind understand how to work a post, on a web site, on a computer... :laugh:



fark...

[Ivan]

I think you shouldnt worry if someone sends a 1 page email asking LG will decide weather or not.

Unless you are threatned by this approach I would not care,

You should be happy you started something and people are recognising the company and wanting to be a part of it.

Maybe the fact LG sponsors a superbike race etc people think of LG must be really keen on this racing scene how bout I contact them to help me?????

I think people have not ment mellice by this and are just thinking what they see is what you get?

[crazefox]

How does one go about getting sponsorship?
Do you have to prove your skills on and off the track and then wait for someone to approach you, or is getting off your date and asking around, putting it out there that you'd like to go further with some help in return for advertising, promotion etc frowned upon?
Just asking. I thought taking a bit of initiative and showing that you're committed by trying to help yourself would be a good thing.

just get crazefox on the piss and tell him you need your bike painted

[Drew]

It is not OK, to hit them up for sponsorship, it is OK to simply ask who managed the team, and approach them to see what the go is.

Sending an email expressing that you want to race for them, how much will ya give me, is fuckin rank.

[Robert Taylor]

Nothing wrong with a company sponsoring more than one person - LG are already sponsoring Sloan Frost aswell as Eddie.

What you need to realise is the Eddie got the sponsorship through personal contacts and networking which took a lot of time. I know for a fact there was a lot more involved in him getting sponsored than just going out and asking for money.

I think it is arrogant to go up and ask someone elses sponsors for support, especially when you have no previous relationship with them, or perhaps even the people they are already supporting - especially when you know see the amount of financial support that is being given.

Have a spine and some balls at least to stand up on your own feet before you go trying to knock people down from what they've worked for. MORE sponsors is what he sport needs - go out and get your own.


Very well said, what really struck a chord with me is that very often people ( like Eddie ) do an enormous amount of groundwork and I empathise with him being protective of that. It also always amazes me that when there is a bit of sponsorship money around all of a sudden there are lots of ''hangers on''. If you want it work for it.

[Sonykid]

It is not OK, to hit them up for sponsorship, it is OK to simply ask who managed the team, and approach them to see what the go is.

Sending an email expressing that you want to race for them, how much will ya give me, is fuckin rank.

What a stupid suggestion, Clearly if one chooses to approach a sponsor via a poorly conceived email then the chances of success are limited.

There are no rules around this.

The potential sponsor should take it as a compliment that their current sponsorship in the sport has generated interest in the brand.

Now where is that email address for LG!

[Creeping Death]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!

Bet if feels like strangers askin ya missus out on a date huh?

And hoping like heeeeell she say's NO!:eek:

[SARGE]

Sorry Eddie I wont do it again, I can only hope that sony or panasonic take up my cause to attend the international porn convention

yea .. Microsoft is already sponsoring SpankMe :jerry:

[Robert Taylor]

Adding to this, Eddie and Sloan have worked hard for where they are and the sponsorship money they have bought with them from LG enriches the sport.
It is my personal resolve that I always deal with people that deal with me and who are pro-active. Im well enough subscribed at present with whiteware and entertainment gear but as it needs upgrading I will be purchasing off these guys. Even if I could get a better price elsewhere that is not the point, you deal with those who deal with you and you purchase from Kiwis.

[GSVR]

Adding to this, Eddie and Sloan have worked hard for where they are and the sponsorship money they have bought with them from LG enriches the sport.
It is my personal resolve that I always deal with people that deal with me and who are pro-active. Im well enough subscribed at present with whiteware and entertainment gear but as it needs upgrading I will be purchasing off these guys. Even if I could get a better price elsewhere that is not the point, you deal with those who deal with you and you purchase from Kiwis.

With Budget day tomorrow LG must be expecting a huge order in the very near future. The drought is over my friend! After years of a Labour Govt. now the small bussinessman is finally going to be looked after care of Key and English and our beloved National Party.

Roll on tomorrow.

[flame]

Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!
Yep....Im with you on this one Ed. Pretty amazing the dribble that comes out of some peoples minds when they 'approach to poach'. Ive seen it, and it is bizarre how these people often have the intent to de-grade current sponsored riders in their written script. Do they not realize that we will read it?? LOL.

Approaching a current sponsor to become an 'addition' to the team is one thing, and I have no problem with it, it just confirms that they respect your team as much as you yourself do, I doubt Ed has a problem with that either. On the other hand....making a deliberate attempt to poach a ride is just RUDE. Especially if the concerned party is a known being or friend to the current rider.

[Headbanger]

Very weird thread.

We (the company I usually work for) do quite a lot of local level sponsorship, Sidecars, stockcars, and a couple people on bikes.

At the start of every season we are swamped with proposals, CV's ,brochures, some of it very slick, all of them are asking for money.

Its not an offence to ask, Through any medium that you choose, Just like its not an offence for the company in question to ignore it or any other proposal. Its a giant nothing.

I have to wonder why LG are passing the correspondence onto someone not mature enough to deal with it, Surely this rubbish is not what they had in mind.

[Sonykid]

Very weird thread.

We (the company I usually work for) do quite a lot of local level sponsorship, Sidecars, stockcars, and a couple people on bikes.

At the start of every season we are swamped with proposals, CV's ,brochures, some of it very slick, all of them are asking for money.

Its not an offence to ask, Through any medium that you choose, Just like its not an offence for the company in question to ignore it or any other proposal. Its a giant nothing.

I have to wonder why LG are passing the correspondence onto someone not mature enough to deal with it, Surely this rubbish is not what they had in mind.

Very well said.

[Robert Taylor]

With Budget day tomorrow LG must be expecting a huge order in the very near future. The drought is over my friend! After years of a Labour Govt. now the small bussinessman is finally going to be looked after care of Key and English and our beloved National Party.

Roll on tomorrow.

If businesses are successful then it is to be hoped that people get carried along with it, that they employ people and that those who work hard are suitably rewarded. There are good businesses and bad businesses but basically I think that business people in NZ shouldnt have to scale so many walls to do business and that tax incentives ( when they will be possible ) encourages business to expand and employ more people.
We may choose to disagree on how its done but there is no question that workers in NZ are poorly paid, theres also an issue of many employees not delivering.
We can all do our part in supporting our own as much as possible. Why for example should we support the US in many things when they have just delivered a body blow to our primary producers?

[Wingnut]

Even if I could get a better price elsewhere that is not the point, you deal with those who deal with you and you purchase from Kiwis.

Amen to that!

[GIXser]

Yep....Im with you on this one Ed. Pretty amazing the dribble that comes out of some peoples minds when they 'approach to poach'. Ive seen it, and it is bizarre how these people often have the intent to de-grade current sponsored riders in their written script. Do they not realize that we will read it?? LOL.

Approaching a current sponsor to become an 'addition' to the team is one thing, and I have no problem with it, it just confirms that they respect your team as much as you yourself do, I doubt Ed has a problem with that either. On the other hand....making a deliberate attempt to poach a ride is just RUDE. Especially if the concerned party is a known being or friend to the current rider.

thank you Flame, robert, R6 kid, Drew and many others... you get it...
and your'e right Flame, i have no problem someone approching us to become part of it.. im all for growing the sport as a matter of fact we are talking to several people now to add on the team" im simply saying that there is a right and ethical way of going about it... and people if you dont get the above.... .. you'll never get it..!!!

[SS90]

Im well enough subscribed at present with whiteware and entertainment gear but as it needs upgrading I will be purchasing off these guys. Even if I could get a better price elsewhere that is not the point, you deal with those who deal with you and you purchase from Kiwis.

I think this is the most important post so far in this thread.

It is all too easy to forget that the money everyone is asking for is coming from the profits of the business, and in order to "get more money next year" from these businesses, they MUST see a direct sales/profit increase from their sponsorship (or it was just an exercise in money burning)

What Robert Taylor has just demonstrated is that he (obvioulsly) is aware of this, and "is doing his bit" to improve OTHER peoples opportunities in getting sponsorship.

If you need to purchase something, and are shopping around, always think of a sponsored race team, and try to mention that when you are in the store....it all adds up, and eventually, it may have the flow on effect of other sponsors "coming to the party" when you come knocking.

[Headbanger]

thank you Flame, robert, R6 kid, Drew and many others... you get it...
and your'e right Flame, i have no problem someone approching us to become part of it.. im all for growing the sport as a matter of fact we are talking to several people now to add on the team" im simply saying that there is a right and ethical way of going about it... and people if you dont get the above.... .. you'll never get it..!!!

Well, Put me down as not getting it, as none of that has anything to do with the issue you brought up when you created this thread.

First it was contacting your sponsor being uncool and people had to stop (as per thread title)

Then it was Emails are an offensive way to contact them.

Now what?...ethics?, poached riders? wtf?

Seriously, WTF?

[GIXser]

How does one go about getting sponsorship?
Do you have to prove your skills on and off the track and then wait for someone to approach you, or is getting off your date and asking around, putting it out there that you'd like to go further with some help in return for advertising, promotion etc frowned upon?
Just asking. I thought taking a bit of initiative and showing that you're committed by trying to help yourself would be a good thing.

Hi Trudes,

I have found the best way of getting sponsorship is to create a relationship first, and a genuine one at that, be genuinely interested in their business !
its definately not about results,(case in point with myself) its what you can offer them ulimately with your contacts, and let me point out, that most sponsorship money is (for a business) not worth it for the return they recieve.. so why should someone sponsor you ?
this is where you really have to put your thinkin hat on, you may need to spend some money/time in order to recieve any money or returns from the company.. i could go on but am hoping you get my drift. let me know if you want some more info. Cheers and good luck:)

[KS34]

The thing that would f#@& me off is the complete lack of imagination, effort and preparation. The LG team have inspired me to look for serious sponsorship I even rang Eddie for some advice which he very generously gave. I havent managed to hook anything up for this year but next year looks good. Just time, effort and relationships. If thats how serious they are about sponsorship I'd love to see there bike prep and season campaign plan!

[boomer]

Post numero Uno


Guys /Girls... please look elsewhere for your sponsorship.. it really is not cool to knock on a current sponsors door, especially if they already sponsor someone else.. for the record your proposals get forwarded to me...
Its a wide world out there.. be creative.. and not a plonker!!


Post numero dos


I dont think some of ya get it.. im not worried about people approching companies for sponsorships... but do you think a simple email will do it....!!???
not only that... think outside the box people....
would you give someone thousands of dollars.. just from a simple email.....(unless its nigerian ofcourse..) have the balls to phone em or better yet turn up in person if you really want to make an impression ....


Post Numero tres


thank you Flame, robert, R6 kid, Drew and many others... you get it...
and your'e right Flame, i have no problem someone approching us to become part of it.. im all for growing the sport as a matter of fact we are talking to several people now to add on the team" im simply saying that there is a right and ethical way of going about it... and people if you dont get the above.... .. you'll never get it..!!!



remove all your emotions, feelings, passion and take an objective view of what YOU posted.. not what you think you said or what you wanted to say but what you did say/write !!!

You're a rude cunt suggesting i dont get it after what you posted above; when in fact you're acting like a school girl. "Say what you mean and mean what you say".... more wise words from my dad you may want to heed !

[Two Smoker]

BAHAHAHA! Youre fookin awesome Doonkin...

[boomer]

Very well said, what really struck a chord with me is that very often people ( like Eddie ) do an enormous amount of groundwork and I empathise with him being protective of that. It also always amazes me that when there is a bit of sponsorship money around all of a sudden there are lots of ''hangers on''. If you want it work for it.

Call me stupid and paint me black ,but where in any of Eddies posts does it say that the person asked to replace Eddie Or Sloan?! it implies the person ( albeit not very smart, bright or original) has asked for sponsorship along with/side Eddie/Sloan.

If it were me, knowing Eddie and if i was racing, i wouldn't go directly to LG... as i think it would be fkin cheeky and im not THAT thick skinned.. BUT.. they're my morals. I dont think its so rude for anyone to ask for sponsorship and if someone wants to be cheeky.. go for it.


Robert, do you get ya nickers in a twist when people ask you for sponsorship knowing you sponsor the #1 Superbike rider in NZ...??!! Or does said super bike rider start hititng the cheeky fookers with his bible.. throwing holy water on 'em in disgust ... !

:no:

[Robert Taylor]

Well, Put me down as not getting it, as none of that has anything to do with the issue you brought up when you created this thread.

First it was contacting your sponsor being uncool and people had to stop (as per thread title)

Then it was Emails are an offensive way to contact them.

Now what?...ethics?, poached riders? wtf?

Seriously, WTF?

I get it, it always did involve ethics, or lack thereof.

[Trudes]

Hi Trudes,

I have found the best way of getting sponsorship is to create a relationship first, and a genuine one at that, be genuinely interested in their business !
its definately not about results,(case in point with myself) its what you can offer them ulimately with your contacts, and let me point out, that most sponsorship money is (for a business) not worth it for the return they recieve.. so why should someone sponsor you ?
this is where you really have to put your thinkin hat on, you may need to spend some money/time in order to recieve any money or returns from the company.. i could go on but am hoping you get my drift. let me know if you want some more info. Cheers and good luck:)

Thanks for answering my question. Personally I don't need sponsorship (I have nothing to offer being but a lowly slow bucket racer ;)), I was asking on behalf of other struggling wannabe racers out there who feel they could do well or better if only they had a little extra $$ behind them. So thanks for the info, hopefully it'll help someone out there to use their imagination and approach companies/businesses they would like sponsorship from in person. :)

[Shaun P]

low down dirty swines.. :doctor:

[boomer]

It happens every where bro.. Look at Rossi When he went to Yamaha...

Poor ethics there??? THATS BUSINESS !


although, im sure Rossi didnt write a $hitty little E-Mail asking for a tenner...

[GIXser]

Post numero Uno




Post numero dos




Post Numero tres





remove all your emotions, feelings, passion and take an objective view of what YOU posted.. not what you think you said or what you wanted to say but what you did say/write !!!

You're a rude cunt suggesting i dont get it after what you posted above; when in fact you're acting like a school girl. "Say what you mean and mean what you say".... more wise words from my dad you may want to heed !

Boomer....thanks for the feedback,

Gotta say my man...

i didnt expect this from you dude...and i will refrain myself from returning the abuse you have pointed at me.

[Robert Taylor]

Call me stupid and paint me black ,but where in any of Eddies posts does it say that the person asked to replace Eddie Or Sloan?! it implies the person ( albeit not very smart, bright or original) has asked for sponsorship along with/side Eddie/Sloan.

If it were me, knowing Eddie and if i was racing, i wouldn't go directly to LG... as i think it would be fkin cheeky and im not THAT thick skinned.. BUT.. they're my morals. I dont think its so rude for anyone to ask for sponsorship and if someone wants to be cheeky.. go for it.


Robert, do you get ya nickers in a twist when people ask you for sponsorship knowing you sponsor the #1 Superbike rider in NZ...??!! Or does said super bike rider start hititng the cheeky fookers with his bible.. throwing holy water on 'em in disgust ... !

:no:

Flipping heck what are you smoking? Where does it in Eddies posts ask that???!!!!!! What did I say that insinuated same? We are talking about ethics, plain and simple.

And assumption is the mother of all f..k ups! You have just made an ill informed / totally uninformed assumption. We absolutely DO NOT sponsor the No 1 Superbike rider in NZ , or the No 2 and so on. Their sponsors pay us a service contract to be there. AND LET ME ALSO SAY THIS, we only break even by a slender amount. If we actually charged for all the goodwill / foc work we do around the paddock at EVERY meeting we go to we might be wealthy. So by implication we effectively sponsor many people that ask and also put a LOT into the sport.

With such ill informed claptrap theres every justification to get ones knickers in a twist.

[boomer]

and i will refrain myself from returning the abuse you have pointed at me.


Thats not like you bro? Let it all hang out!

[GIXser]

Like in NZ V8's where LG have multiple sponsorships, Fogg obviously which as I understand it was through Punch and Radiscich through LG directly.

they were both done through punch" all sponsorships from Lg are done through Punch.. contact there is Martin...

[boomer]

Flipping heck what are you smoking? Where does it in Eddies posts ask that???!!!!!!


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[Quasievil]

Hey people, Gixxer had a reasonable request in relation to people approaching His Sponsor, obviously its a bit rich to do so and clearly the motivation by others in their approach is due to the success Gixser has had with LG, through his own fucking good work!
So back off and leave it alone, statement made so now accept it and feck off.

KB, full of love and disrespect alright !! how about a few of you learn the meaning of the word respect

Fucking arseholes contorting the situation to suit your own ego inflation gravings

Show the man some respect or feck off

[boomer]

ego inflation gravings

anything to do with my sunday roast or the elections?

[Headbanger]

Thanks for answering my question. Personally I don't need sponsorship (I have nothing to offer being but a lowly slow bucket racer ;))

Some companies don't expect anything back, They just like to put something back into the community when they can, or give someone else a small leg up.

Certainly none of the sponsorship we have done generates any work, and on some occasions we ask not be listed at all.

Your best bet on a small scale is to put together a CV, nothing wanky, A photo of you and your bike. A brief outline of what you do and what you hope to achieve, where you race. Show your quite serious in your endeavour without asking to be carried. Show them where their logo will be placed. Doesn't have to be on the bike or your gear, The trailer may well do.

And then go door knocking at local companies with your CV, The personal touch is the big thing,Contractors are a soft touch. You wont get a new bike but you may get a set of tires or a small sum.

Those that ask for too much or expect it generally get nothing.

At the end of the season go see them, tell them how you done, thank them for their support and give them a framed action photo...





I'm not going to pretend I follow the logic in this thread, But there is no disrespect in approaching a company that already sponsors other people. Granted if all the effort you put into is an email you can expect to get ignored but I cant imagine anyone in the company being offended.

[gatch]

Im not in the know when it comes to sponsorship, so I'll be blunt.

I understand building a relationship with a business is a good start, Ie buy their goods, use their services, work for them, recomend others to do the same and make sure you are mentioned etc etc.

Now do most people ask for a set amount of cash to buy specific items/consumables, or discount/free rates on services ? Or do they just throw it out there that they need some support ?

Please don't shoot, I'm just asking so I don't go stepping on toes if I decide to look for some backing later on..

Cheers

[Quasievil]

anything to do with my sunday roast or the elections?


Should have spelt it Cravings, sorry.

Anyway ya little shit how about backing up your mate instead of agro ing him up for no reason, wots with disecting his every bloody comment to have a crack at him.

Eddies a top shelf good bastard.

[boomer]

Should have spelt it Cravings, sorry.

Anyway ya little shit how about backing up your mate instead of agro ing him up for no reason, wots with disecting his every bloody comment to have a crack at him.

Eddies a top shelf good bastard.


Eddie is both ugly enough and smart enough to realise that i know he's a clever bloke. Clever enough to do ALL THE HARD WORK in terms of being a successful business man and successful in his hobbies. There's no doubting hes done some great stuff for himself, his close friends and the sport.

What i find funny, and the reason i wind him up, is because hes smarter then he realises and doesnt need to post silly posts up... he can run rings around most but he leaves himself open with posts like this... im a cheap $2 whore and get my kicks out of pointing these things out... !

[mossy1200]

This is good constructive advice and a great direction for this thread to go.
With everyone vented some helpful advice is whats good for the sport.
I have had some luck with part sponcership.
Good cv with gloss photos,goals,progress
I also included budget breakdown of costs with figures.
This shows what your already committing from your own pocket.
It also gives them the ability to pick a portion to cover within their budget.
It could be oil,service,tyres or whatever.
It all increases interest in the sport.
Personal approach is the best and emails,letters not so great.

Trial and error.
You guys with major sponcors should be offering advice.....

[Tony.OK]

as a matter of fact we are talking to several people now to add on the team

:mobile:......:psst:.......:ride:......:wait:..... ..:whistle:.........:bleh:

[Robert Taylor]

Eddie is both ugly enough and smart enough to realise that i know he's a clever bloke. Clever enough to do ALL THE HARD WORK in terms of being a successful business man and successful in his hobbies. There's no doubting hes done some great stuff for himself, his close friends and the sport.

What i find funny, and the reason i wind him up, is because hes smarter then he realises and doesnt need to post silly posts up... he can run rings around most but he leaves himself open with posts like this... im a cheap $2 whore and get my kicks out of pointing these things out... !

Getting your facts straight would be kind of decent before typing.

[boomer]

Getting your facts straight would be kind of decent before typing.

what facts have i got wrong?

Im not female..i can't be right 100% of the time :p

[SS90]

Perhaps it could all be summed up by suggesting that it would have been CORRECT to have approached the exsisting team and discussed becoming a member (rather that going though the back door of a "bank" that someone else had gone to the trouble of opening)

I am surmising that is what the trouble is.......


I hope all this publicity for the sponsor is good publicity....they have clearly poured some dough into the sport....I would like to see them benefit!

[SS90]

what facts have i got wrong?



I think he was referring to you saying that he sponsors "the top rider"....he doesn't.....he operates at a "no profit" basis...in business terms it is called " A LOSS LEADER"....he operates at cost, in the hope that it will lead to further sales.

[boomer]

I think he was referring to you saying that he sponsors "the top rider"....he doesn't.....he operates at a "no profit" basis...in business terms it is called " A LOSS LEADER"....he operates at cost, in the hope that it will lead to further sales.


we're splitting hairs now... i think in all fairness Robert took offense to my comments about Ed and the holy one.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Someone told me to check this thread because Eddie wanted to race me... I guess he knows better !!:shifty:

[ktm]

WELL WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT BIG NOTING ARSE LICKING BLUDGING. Can't anyone just pay for their own racing anymore especially the loud mouths with the biggest sponsors, which appears to be personal or family connected rather than talent or merit related! Who need a protected racing class free from annoying guys on smaller 600's who kick their arses anyway....the bitching goes on and on....I've run out of logic here hahaha

[CHOPPA]

Wow that was an interesting read! hahaha

Im stoked with what LG have done for me and in return i put as much into my riding as possible and I have done everything i can to make them money and im personally selling about $500000 worth of there product per year for them and Ed will prob be selling about 5 times that for them by the end of the year so i think they are getting good return for there investment.

I havnt seen any of these requests but if they are requests with the best intentions i cant see it being a prob, but if there suggesting they can do a better job etc then it may be a bit rude.

[White trash]

WELL WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT BIG NOTING ARSE LICKING BLUDGING. Can't anyone just pay for their own racing anymore especially the loud mouths with the biggest sponsors, which appears to be personal or family connected rather than talent or merit related! Who need a protected racing class free from annoying guys on smaller 600's who kick their arses anyway....the bitching goes on and on....I've run out of logic here hahaha
Not talent or merit related?! You're joking right? Have you not seen Choppas results or do you just ignore them?

I've watched NZ bike racing and been involved for a while now. I've yet to see someone go from nowhere to a title contender in 12 months other than Sloan.

As the esteemed Eddy Spaghetti has already pointed out, it's also not all about race results, it's about what they can offer their sponsors in return. And knowing what I know, I think LG have chosen VERY well. There's not two other people racing bikes currently that can significantly increase LGs business like these two blokes can.

Probably wanna get your facts straight before you go firing off half thought out dribble.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

name and shame?

[Quasievil]

Damn this website is full of complete plonkers these days

[Shaun]

Wow that was an interesting read! hahaha

Im stoked with what LG have done for me and in return i put as much into my riding as possible and I have done everything i can to make them money and im personally selling about $500000 worth of there product per year for them and Ed will prob be selling about 5 times that for them by the end of the year so i think they are getting good return for there investment.

I havnt seen any of these requests but if they are requests with the best intentions i cant see it being a prob, but if there suggesting they can do a better job etc then it may be a bit rude.


You do a dam good job on the track under the LG name \choppa

[driftn]

WELL WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT BIG NOTING ARSE LICKING BLUDGING. Can't anyone just pay for their own racing anymore especially the loud mouths with the biggest sponsors,

Tell us oh great one have you ever tried to race a super bike for a season at a competitve level? by the sounds of it I would say no. CLUBMANS does not count. Good on for doing it but untill you know all the facts of what is involved $$$$ wise how bout you be a good little boy and run along now.

[Kiwi Graham]

What is it a sponsor wants?
They want their profile raised via a medium that
1, They have an interest in.
2, They belive people that want their product also have an interest in.
3, They belive the person/team 'working' for them will promote them professionally and raise/improve their profile.

It takes time and effort to build a relationship with a sponsor and once established provided the sponsor is getting a good return for his contribution the person/team should feel secure.

A successful rider whoes bike is blazoned with the name of a company that is also percived to be successful is obviously going to be in the limelight and attract attention (thats the aim!), the knock on effect is the others will try and achive this same success perceiving all it takes is a wad of cash from said sponsor.

It is rude attempt however (for a newbee) to simply write an email suggesting they should give them money. Negotiating a sponsorship contract takes time, effort and alot of groundwork, its like anything in life you have to work for the achievements you make.

An email requesting an opportunity to make an introduction of yourself would have been a better opening I'd suggest.

Regarding etiquette, its not smart to want the same sponsor to sponsor you in the same bloody class/event that one already exists in! There is always a chance this sponsor could be looking to raise their profile but they would want success in other classes (all the eggs in one basket, not).

Go Team LG, I belive you do your sponsors credit and should not fear the wanabees, as long as you do what you do and do it as well as you do it then all will be sweet.

Thought about team expansion? another class? another rider? grow yours and your sposors profile..........just a thought.

KG

[Rcktfsh]

they were both done through punch" all sponsorships from Lg are done through Punch.. contact there is Martin...

obviously the team principal of tracer motorsport was hallucinating when he was dealing with lg then.

[FROSTY]

Eddie I don't think you are doing yourself any favours with this thread. It was a no win situation right from the get go.
You are better than this catty shit. Its not fair to your sponsors or to yourself as the face of the team.
I vote to dump this into PD where it belongs.

[sinfull]

im personally selling about $500000 worth of there product per year for them and Ed will prob be selling about 5 times that for them by the end of the year so i think they are getting good return for there investment.

. Who'da thunk ya could sell that much air hehe

Can't blame Ed for chucking this post up (say it was more of a, check out the red faced burglar when he knows i can name and shame him if i wanted, than a stay away posting)
Think i would do exactly the same to be honest !

But hey any advertising is good advertising and i know the Mrs just seen the LG logo over my shoulder and reminded me she is gettin sick of our clothes smelling like they just come out of a sewer, rather than a washing machine and that the fridge freezes the milk and dog roll if ya leave it on the bottom !

Since LG came to the party and sponsered these guys i made up my mind that LG was gonna be the product i replace the above gear with, when i do !!!
But right now i have other priorities like mmmmm fairings, tyres, licence renewal, entry fees, get the friggin van warranted and just gettin the fuggin bike on the track, So a bottle of meths and a chilly bin is all she gets this year bwahahahahaha

[Robert Taylor]

I think he was referring to you saying that he sponsors "the top rider"....he doesn't.....he operates at a "no profit" basis...in business terms it is called " A LOSS LEADER"....he operates at cost, in the hope that it will lead to further sales.

THANKYOU SS90! You understand what I meant and why I objected to an assumptive post wide of the mark.

Eddie and Sloan do the sport proud, BIG TIME.

[GIXser]

obviously the team principal of tracer motorsport was hallucinating when he was dealing with lg then.

correct he was hallucinating....


Eddie I don't think you are doing yourself any favours with this thread. It was a no win situation right from the get go.
You are better than this catty shit. Its not fair to your sponsors or to yourself as the face of the team.
I vote to dump this into PD where it belongs.

nothing like peoples opinions frosty" freedom of speech i guess:
(but yeah youre probably right it should be in Pd):)


Who'da thunk ya could sell that much air hehe

Can't blame Ed for chucking this post up (say it was more of a, check out the red faced burglar when he knows i can name and shame him if i wanted, than a stay away posting)
Think i would do exactly the same to be honest !

But hey any advertising is good advertising and i know the Mrs just seen the LG logo over my shoulder and reminded me she is gettin sick of our clothes smelling like they just come out of a sewer, rather than a washing machine and that the fridge freezes the milk and dog roll if ya leave it on the bottom !

Since LG came to the party and sponsered these guys i made up my mind that LG was gonna be the product i replace the above gear with, when i do !!!
But right now i have other priorities like mmmmm fairings, tyres, licence renewal, entry fees, get the friggin van warranted and just gettin the fuggin bike on the track, So a bottle of meths and a chilly bin is all she gets this year bwahahahahaha

correcte mondo--:)

[Drew]

I'm surprised by the number of people who think it's OK, for someone to try and horn in on a deal that's already made.

As a building contractor, if I had a job, and some other tard tried to get in on it, I'd fuckin spew. Thankfully that's illegal, so I'm protected once the contract is signed.

As I would imagine Eddy and Sloan are contracted to ride LG, there really isn't too much to worry about.

[scracha]

would you give someone thousands of dollars.. just from a simple email.....(unless its nigerian ofcourse..) have the balls to phone em or better yet turn up in person if you really want to make an impression ....

Well if an email from a certain Mister Rossi landed in my inbox offering me a chance to bung some stickers on his bike for a few grand then I'd certainly be hitting the reply button.

[Maido]

I agree, now, that more facts have come to light. This is not the approach to take. However going off the first post there wasn't enough information to let everyone here, who don't know you or the full story, see the actual facts.

[scracha]

I agree, now, that more facts have come to light. This is not the approach to take. However going off the first post there wasn't enough information to let everyone here, who don't know you or the full story, see the actual facts.


I'd disagree. All's fair in love and war and as far as I'm concerned, all's fair when it comes to racing sponsorship. If you can convince a sponsor that you'll give them better value for money than another rider then why the hell should it be "shameful" or "underhanded" to try and get on in there?

And the Drew sounds like a typical bloody builder :2guns:

[Shaun]

I'm surprised by the number of people who think it's OK, for someone to try and horn in on a deal that's already made.

As a building contractor, if I had a job, and some other tard tried to get in on it, I'd fuckin spew. Thankfully that's illegal, so I'm protected once the contract is signed.

As I would imagine Eddy and Sloan are contracted to ride LG, there really isn't too much to worry about.




This thread is being taking to personally by some, Buisness is buisness, so and company can be contacted by any one asking for help

Just becasue this team is currently supported by LG, does not mean that eddie owns it, ( LG that is) NOR does it mean he has the write to get on here and tell all to bugger off.

If eddie was very serious about promoting LG to the fullest, he would give his bike to some one fast, Just like Choppa, and just stick to management and internet war

ha ha ha sorry eddie, ya know I like a laugh

[boomer]

If eddie was very serious about promoting LG to the fullest, he would give his bike to some one fast, Just like Choppa, and just stick to management and internet war

ha ha ha sorry eddie, ya know I like a laugh


i larfed .. now thats foookin funny!

Eddie, Trashy... why won't u bite?!

[Shaun]

I would like to see team LG- STOP bringing those young young semi naked girls to the race track, and spend the money on there racing or a family entertainment programme, instead of just falling into the style of Europe etc.



PS, my wife knows
I am not gay

[scracha]

PS, my wife knows
I am not gay

xIOYtPa4nQg
Sure you're not Shaun

[Robert Taylor]

I would like to see team LG- STOP bringing those young young semi naked girls to the race track, and spend the money on there racing or a family entertainment programme, instead of just falling into the style of Europe etc.



PS, my wife knows
I am not gay

No, you have always been a lesbian!

[Cr1MiNaL]

stop ignoring me... Ill race Eddie and Choppa for their keys :P

[Biggles08]

I would like to see team LG- STOP bringing those young young semi naked girls to the race track, and spend the money on there racing or a family entertainment programme, instead of just falling into the style of Europe etc.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! !!!!

I must say I disagree!!!!!:eek:

[Biggles08]

stop ignoring me... Ill race Eddie and Choppa for their keys :P

A running race down the pits Raj??? thats the only one you would have a shot at!:laugh:

[Fatjim]

Mate, I would have thought all's fair in love and war and sponsorship mate.

TBH when i first read this I thought those bitches that have fights down the pub over their man.

BTW, its wasn't me. I'm not worth the stamp to reply.

[Shaun]

This whole thread has just been a very cleaver way of EDD, getting the LG name out there even more

Good thinking Ed

[Drew]

If eddie was very serious about promoting LG to the fullest, he would give his bike to some one fast, Just like Choppa, and just stick to management and internet war

ha ha ha sorry eddie, ya know I like a laugh

The last bit implies you're tounge in cheek here, but just incase you're not...


Eddy IS the reason that the LG team exists.

Someone faster you say? If you started a team Shaun, got a guy onboard to do the bizzo up front, but still loved riding, would you then give up your ride to try and find another to play with the big boys? I doubt it.

I also submit, that since the team inception, (which was not a team in the beginning), Eddy's riding has come in leaps and bounds. He was inspired to try harder to tame the beast now residing in my garage. Did the nationals he was not that barred up about, and loved it, further dropping lap times.

They have the best pit at any event, (in SPITE of how bloody slack Choppa is with tyre choices). More people come through than any other tent, wanting signatures, and offering words of support.

With this in mind, do you think they would get more exposure, with a faster rider than Ed? The answer is simply, NO. LG couldn't hope for more than what they get from their investment, with the current race regime we have in NZ.

To those who did send, or would like to send an email to LG, you are waisting your time. Stroud himself COULDN'T do more than Ed and Sloan, because of what they do that is not seen. The lengths that Ed has gone to may not be clear to all, but it is far more than merely race a bike.

A positive spin...What Ed has done I think, is secure the LG sponsorship not only for himself, but others down the line. He will stop riding one day, and I am confident that LG would like to continue their support for some other lucky punter, for no other reason than what they have gotten in return.

[SS90]

I'm surprised by the number of people who think it's OK, for someone to try and horn in on a deal that's already made.

As a building contractor, if I had a job, and some other tard tried to get in on it, I'd fuckin spew. Thankfully that's illegal, so I'm protected once the contract is signed.

As I would imagine Eddy and Sloan are contracted to ride LG, there really isn't too much to worry about.

It could be said that Eddie "overreacted" a little with his opening post, but let's not forget how much work it took to get the LG team started.

It wasn't overnight, and it wasn't easy.

Perhaps Eddie is quite justified in his protection of his team sponsor, and I can see how he could construe it as a personal "slap in the face"

Logically, the culprit suggested he could do a better job of representing LG (possibly by the race results).....I.E "I'm faster than him, so give me his money"

IF that was the case (I'm only guessing here, but from what I understand said person did not ask to join the team, just asked for money.... that's a big difference aye!)..... then that guy should be shot with a ball of his own shit.

In any event this guy HAS NO CHANCE of getting sponsorship from LG now, as when you think of it, Eddie has a great personal relationship with LG, and you don't piss off your mates intentionally!

[Shaun]

Tounge in cheek yes

I will always argue/fight/challenge anyone about some thing I have a passion in, and after 23 years at this game, i think I know a little bit about it, and you well know, that if wrong, I will also quickly apologise.

I also would think that Eddie has figured me out well enough by now, to know if I am being an a hole or just hassling him.

I for One rang eddie and asked him directly if he was interested in helping out a young up and comer rider with me in support of that rider

Very happy he said NO now, ( he said NO as things were still being planned) I now have what I need to run him properlly!

Whitetrash, open your eyes and look harder at the up and comers dude, your comment really be littles a lot of other peoples efforts, and I can think of ONE instantly.


Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.

[cs363]

Like in NZ V8's where LG have multiple sponsorships, Fogg obviously which as I understand it was through Punch and Radiscich through LG directly.

obviously the team principal of tracer motorsport was hallucinating when he was dealing with lg then.

correct he was hallucinating....

Well actually you are both incorrect, though Rcktfsh is the less wrong of the two.

Fogg's deal was done directly with LG though with assistance from an employee of Punch, one of those not what you know but who you know type deals. For the record LG got extremely good coverage for a pittance, Fogg sold himself short as he was desperate for cash to go racing. The sum involved was ridiculously low.

The Tracer/Radisich's deal was done directly with LG but brokered by Murray Brown of Carnegie Sports who have a long time association with LG through their rugby sponsorships (Carnegie is owned by Grant Fox, Murray Brown is a long time friend and supporter of Paul Radisich). Punch or 'Martin' had nothing whatsoever to do with the Radisich deal.

But I digress from the intent of this thread.

Sponsorship is a business transaction, whatever the company's or individuals involved motivation to sponsor. No one owns a sponsor nor has any rights over what that sponsor may or may not do, unless such a clause is specifically written into a contract between the two parties, and that would be highly unusual.
If you have a sound sponsorship arrangement and both parties are happy and sound contracts are in place I cannot understand why you would think it is any business of yours who approaches that sponsor after the fact, no matter how good or bad there proposal is.
As in business it would be far better to let all that negativity go and concentrate on continuing to provide that sponsor with the good exposure/return that you have obviously created than to concern yourself with what others are doing. If their approaches are as unprofessional as previously stated I wouldn't think there is anything to concern yourself about, in fact I would think it would only make your position stronger.

[Drew]

Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.

You are a hypocrit Shaun. Dont get me wrong, most people are, but tend not to make it so obvious.

That is not an attack, just want you to have a look at what you wrote in that post.

[Clivoris]

just get crazefox on the piss and tell him you need your bike painted

:rofl::rofl:That is so fucking true. Now, anyone got any thoughts on how I can get half a bottle of rum into someone rich and impulsive?

[driftn]

Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.


I used to think quite highly of you shaun but now I just think your a jealous old grumpy wash up.

[Shaun]

o the internet, i do so love ya all

[saul]

I don't know eddie but I do agree with him.:love:

It’s been great to watch this team progress and it still needs to be nurtured.

So though its ok to put up a good business case, don’t try and jump on the shirttails :chase:of some guys that are doing some great work.<_<

[scracha]

Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.

Shaun can you please clarify what you mean by the above as I'm hoping it's been misconstrued and you're not knocking anyone's abilities?

[Shaun P]

Tounge in cheek yes

I will always argue/fight/challenge anyone about some thing I have a passion in, and after 23 years at this game, i think I know a little bit about it, and you well know, that if wrong, I will also quickly apologise.

I also would think that Eddie has figured me out well enough by now, to know if I am being an a hole or just hassling him.

I for One rang eddie and asked him directly if he was interested in helping out a young up and comer rider with me in support of that rider

Very happy he said NO now, ( he said NO as things were still being planned) I now have what I need to run him properlly!

Whitetrash, open your eyes and look harder at the up and comers dude, your comment really be littles a lot of other peoples efforts, and I can think of ONE instantly.


Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.

Considering he was 2 seconds off last years pace on completly standard suspension at a QR trackday im sure he'll be just fine...:chase:

[Shaun]

Shaun can you please clarify what you mean by the above as I'm hoping it's been misconstrued and you're not knocking anyone's abilities?



Thanks for asking scracha instead of just attacking

The point is, he WILL do very well there, and in a field of 30 + bikes, will show just how good he can be!

Choppa Know's how I feel and think about his abbillity, and that is what matters to me.

Cheers

[Katman]

Years ago I knew a bunch of guys who used to play a game whenever they went on holiday together. They all used to hide one of their turds and the person whose turd was found last won the game.

On one trip away the turds were gradually found - one in someone's sleeping bag, one in someone's shoe, one in someone's jacket pocket, until on the way home only one persons turd remained unfound.

When the person was asked where they hid their turd he replied "why do you think I was the only one who didn't touch the jar of mayo".

For some bizarre reason this thread reminds me of that game.

[boomer]

Sponsorship is a business transaction, whatever the company's or individuals involved motivation to sponsor. No one owns a sponsor nor has any rights over what that sponsor may or may not do, unless such a clause is specifically written into a contract between the two parties, and that would be highly unusual.
If you have a sound sponsorship arrangement and both parties are happy and sound contracts are in place I cannot understand why you would think it is any business of yours who approaches that sponsor after the fact, no matter how good or bad there proposal is.
As in business it would be far better to let all that negativity go and concentrate on continuing to provide that sponsor with the good exposure/return that you have obviously created than to concern yourself with what others are doing. If their approaches are as unprofessional as previously stated I wouldn't think there is anything to concern yourself about, in fact I would think it would only make your position stronger.



Exactly.. to quote Eddie... "If you cant understand that.., you never will... !!!"

[hutchy52]

Lets see how fast sloan is in AUSTRALIA this weekend with 30 other riders around him, and not just 9!

Good luck Sloan- YOU know i rate you highly.


Shaun can you please clarify what you mean by the above as I'm hoping it's been misconstrued and you're not knocking anyone's abilities?

I don't think he's having a go at him, it's just natural to assume Australian's are better at everything ;)

[Rcktfsh]

Well actually you are both incorrect, though Rcktfsh is the less wrong of the two.

Fogg's deal was done directly with LG though with assistance from an employee of Punch, one of those not what you know but who you know type deals. For the record LG got extremely good coverage for a pittance, Fogg sold himself short as he was desperate for cash to go racing. The sum involved was ridiculously low.

The Tracer/Radisich's deal was done directly with LG but brokered by Murray Brown of Carnegie Sports who have a long time association with LG through their rugby sponsorships (Carnegie is owned by Grant Fox, Murray Brown is a long time friend and supporter of Paul Radisich). Punch or 'Martin' had nothing whatsoever to do with the Radisich deal.

But I digress from the intent of this thread.

Sponsorship is a business transaction, whatever the company's or individuals involved motivation to sponsor. No one owns a sponsor nor has any rights over what that sponsor may or may not do, unless such a clause is specifically written into a contract between the two parties, and that would be highly unusual.
If you have a sound sponsorship arrangement and both parties are happy and sound contracts are in place I cannot understand why you would think it is any business of yours who approaches that sponsor after the fact, no matter how good or bad there proposal is.
As in business it would be far better to let all that negativity go and concentrate on continuing to provide that sponsor with the good exposure/return that you have obviously created than to concern yourself with what others are doing. If their approaches are as unprofessional as previously stated I wouldn't think there is anything to concern yourself about, in fact I would think it would only make your position stronger.

mmmmm technically i'l concede i was by the slimmest of margins slightly wrong, team principal dealt with lg via brown but substantially correct in that in no way was punch involved, still at least i wasn't bare faced lying.

[White trash]

Whitetrash, open your eyes and look harder at the up and comers dude, your comment really be littles a lot of other peoples efforts, and I can think of ONE instantly.


Sorry mate, it was certainly not my intent to belittle anyones efforts. I am well aware and eternally gratefull to every single person working behind the scenes to get more riders on our grids. Please be aware, there are things happening within the LG team to give some different riders some support.

That being said, it may transpire that not everyone aggrees with the decision proccess. That's just tough. It'll be done the way the team wants to go ahead.

As for opening my eyes. They're both wide open mate, and I still can't see shit. Lol.

[prettybillie]

I would like to see team LG- STOP bringing those young young semi naked girls to the race track, and spend the money on there racing or a family entertainment programme, instead of just falling into the style of Europe etc.



PS, my wife knows
I am not gay

Or if you are still going to bring semi naked chicks to the track make sure in future they're hot - not just a little bit skanky

[Patch]

skanky chicks are the only way some of these plebs will ever get a root :confused:

[Benk]

Or if you are still going to bring semi naked chicks to the track make sure in future they're hot - not just a little bit skanky

Both. Either. Or. Who cares!

Not to self, buy superbike, get fast, get sponsors, gill net me some wommeeeennnnn!!!!

[Kiwi Graham]

Could always sign a sponsorship contract with the White House and work on the fine print and between the lines (read sheets) details :devil2:

[cs363]

mmmmm technically i'l concede i was by the slimmest of margins slightly wrong, team principal dealt with lg via brown but substantially correct in that in no way was punch involved, still at least i wasn't bare faced lying.

Apology accepted.... :bleh: :laugh:

[Shaun]

Sorry mate, it was certainly not my intent to belittle anyones efforts. I am well aware and eternally gratefull to every single person working behind the scenes to get more riders on our grids. Please be aware, there are things happening within the LG team to give some different riders some support.

That being said, it may transpire that not everyone aggrees with the decision proccess. That's just tough. It'll be done the way the team wants to go ahead.

As for opening my eyes. They're both wide open mate, and I still can't see shit. Lol.

Sorry dude NO pun intended.

[Drew]

Sorry dude NO pun intended.

Come on, there was an opening there for wicked jokes about him getting old. Although, you probably aint the one to make them.


Fuck I'm good, got both you old cunts.

[Shaun]

Come on, there was an opening there for wicked jokes about him getting old. Although, you probably aint the one to make them.


Fuck I'm good, got both you old cunts.



Bar-steward

[Paul in NZ]

in this sport .

Motorcycle racing (or any kind of racing) is a sport?

[Robert Taylor]

Motorcycle racing (or any kind of racing) is a sport?

Judging by the ratio of commercial return yes indeed it is a sport. A hell of a lot in NZ is still done out of goodwill. But you wouldnt know it judging by a lot of grizzling that goes on.

[crazefox]

:rofl::rofl:That is so fucking true. Now, anyone got any thoughts on how I can get half a bottle of rum into someone rich and impulsive?

Ha ha good man

[Paul in NZ]

Judging by the ratio of commercial return yes indeed it is a sport. A hell of a lot in NZ is still done out of goodwill. But you wouldnt know it judging by a lot of grizzling that goes on.

Yeah true... I've done a lot of charity shit (no really) over the years and the same applies. You deliver services on a shoe string and people bitch bitch bitch.... I'm currently resting from it before it got to me... too much... Maybe it's a sport too? :shit:

But seriously now.... I think MNZ etc are part of the problem as you cannot run an event without their sanction and they try to please everyone... If someone funded a race series and said fuck off you clowns, this is the list of classes, (you know, one people want to see) good prize money etc and I couldn't give a monkeys if steam powered bucket sidecars were excluded...

ie - a proper business....

Would things change for the better or worse? Or would it just become a gladiator sport?

[Paul in NZ]

:rofl::rofl:That is so fucking true. Now, anyone got any thoughts on how I can get half a bottle of rum into someone rich and impulsive?

I'm impulsive - can I get a quarter of a bottle?

[White trash]

Sorry dude NO pun intended.
It's all good, I knew there wasn't :)

Drew, shut your hole before this old cunt comes down and shuts it for you.

[Drew]

It's all good, I knew there wasn't :)

Drew, shut your hole before this old cunt comes down and shuts it for you.


Get a bike for the next round then blinkie.

[Drew]

Just had a read of the tags on this thread. There are some seriously guttless pricks on this site!

[Tony.OK]

Just had a read of the tags on this thread. There are some seriously guttless pricks on this site!

Yer not wrong........................can't see the point of em really, maybe they should show the username if ya click on them..............see who's brave then:shit:

[Robert Taylor]

Just had a read of the tags on this thread. There are some seriously guttless pricks on this site!

Got to agree with that, totally spineless.

[Quasievil]

Got to agree with that, totally spineless.

I dont even know why they have tags, who uses them for any thing other than gutless slagging off.

VOTE HERE


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=100308



I dont have them on www.Sportsbike and I run the same programme, mind you its a better website all round, about time some of you fucking figured it out, we dont put up with any of the shit that goes down on here, not anywhere near as busy but aint that a good thing (fuck what a plug, I was rambling)

[Headbanger]

Bad hair day Quasi?

Oh yeah, Your link is broken.

[MIXONE]

Despite all the bitching etc in this thread I will still buy LG first and foremost because I see their name out there in sports so often.A huge good on them!

[Ivan]

I agree regarding the tags spinless jellyfish writing wanker danker sayings.

[Wingnut]

What tags??? What is the point of them anyway - cant say I have ever paid any attention to them at all.

[Drew]

Yer not wrong........................can't see the point of em really, maybe they should show the username if ya click on them..............see who's brave then:shit:


Got to agree with that, totally spineless.


What they're meant to be for, is so you can write the same tag, in two different threads, then people can click a tag, and find relevent or similar stuff.

Less anonymity on them might stop the bullshit though.

NAME AND SHAME SHANE!!!

[boomer]

Got to agree with that, totally spineless.


What they're meant to be for, is so you can write the same tag, in two different threads, then people can click a tag, and find relevent or similar stuff.

Less anonymity on them might stop the bullshit though.

NAME AND SHAME SHANE!!!

ive told the people interested who it is.. spineless prick(s)

[Drew]

And with that, they are gone. Magic is all around us, we just need to look.

[boomer]

Eddie apparantly under Sloans Login was responsible for some of the more colourful gutless tags !

i wonder how the proud few followers, LG and KB will react to such a statement.... apparantly if i cant give it i should stop crying about it. Eddie.. if you cant say it without hiding behind anonymous tags then we all know what you are...??! certainly no better than me! Eddie's even having a snipe at Shaun via txt... she certainly is in a league of her own.. aren't you Eddie? ( actually, thats demeaning to girls, you're just a spineless cnut )

[Shaun]

And with that, they are gone. Magic is all around us, we just need to look.



Now I know you are on Drugs

[Drew]

Now I know you are on DrugsJealous much?

[Ivan]

cry me a river signed katman hahahhahaha that tag made me laugh.

[Katman]

Sponsorship - An agreement between two parties whereby support is offered subject to terms agreeable to both parties.

If Eddie fully satisfies LG's terms then he has nothing to worry about.

If he doesn't, then at the time the contractual agreement expires LG have the right to consider any other submissions.

It's as simple as that.

[GIXser]

Eddie apparantly under Sloans Login was responsible for some of the more colourful gutless tags !

i wonder how the proud few followers, LG and KB will react to such a statement.... apparantly if i cant give it i should stop crying about it. Eddie.. if you cant say it without hiding behind anonymous tags then we all know what you are...??! certainly no better than me! Eddie's even having a snipe at Shaun via txt... she certainly is in a league of her own.. aren't you Eddie? ( actually, thats demeaning to girls, you're just a spineless cnut )


Boomer.. You are an interesting fellow... i gotta say...

[boomer]

Boomer.. You are an interesting fellow... i gotta say...

not gonna snipe in public then bro..learnt that lesson have we? People have seen you in your true light in this thread. Ive always been a cnut so no difference for me.

[Shaun]

Why dont we just ask the mods to remove this whole thread for a bot of calm TIME OUT BOYS:niceone:

[GIXser]

not gonna snipe in public then bro..learnt that lesson have we? People have seen you in your true light in this thread. Ive always been a cnut so no difference for me.


Boomer... get back on that P pipe bro.. the last hit is wearing off..

[Shaun]

Boomer... get back on that P pipe bro.. the last hit is wearing off..



All good advertisement promotion I guess for sponsors ha ah ha:msn-wink:

[Quasievil]

Bad hair day Quasi?

Oh yeah, Your link is broken.


lol everyday is a bad hair day Im a baldy fella :bleh:

[boomer]

Boomer... get back on that P pipe bro.. the last hit is wearing off..


ok. Thanks :niceone:

[Kiwi Graham]

All good advertisement promotion I guess for sponsors ha ah ha:msn-wink:

There's no such thing as bad publicity :msn-wink:

[Drew]

Whoa, lets akk just cakm down. I've had too much booze to post.

[Shaun]

There's no such thing as bad publicity :msn-wink:


exactually man