New kid on the block with some questions. (KerrA)

[KerrA]

Hey guys,

Untill yesterday I was completely new to bikeing apart from my BHs course, Took my gsx 250 out onto the road and had a blast ( stalled a few times but meh) I dont think the smile will be off my face ever. Thanks also to TSS Red Baron for the sweet setup of gear.

now..

When is a good time to hit a motorway? All im having trouble with is my takeoffs SOMETIMES cause sometimes they are perfect sometimes they are shite...

Im also having trouble with my right foot and where its placed, cause of the heavy boots its accidently going down on the break, Any suggestions?

Thirdy I noticed I felt uncomfortable with my gear on at first cause it felt like I had very little movement or something, Will I just used to this?

Any help is good :)

Cheers guys, Ride safe!

[YellowDog]

Hey KerrA, You need to make sure you have comfortable gear before you ride. The boots are pretty important for gear change and rear braking. If you can't control the back brake precisely you will be putting yourself in danger. Remember that the back brake is only to assist the front brake and also for low speed control. If you practice riding slowly using the back brake to control your speed and balance, then you will soon get the hand of it. Feet on the pegs only when not changing gear or stopping.

WARNING: If you try stopping quickly with the back brake when a speed (without using the front brake too) - you will come off.

Motorway riding is by far the easiest kind of riding as your stability is a lot easier to manage. However before you have a go on the motorway, do make sure that you are happy with how to move your weight over the bike to help you lean and turn. I have seen newbees who have ended up on the grass because they have had trouble with staying in lane on bends. You need to feel comfortable as, whilst the motorway turns are very long and slight, you still need to make sure that you are able to make them.

Always look ahead of yourself and where you want to be going. Don't look at the road or at your front wheel. If you can get a more experienced rider to go out with you, try following their lines and don't forget to keep a safe distance behind.

Good luck.

[discotex]

If you can't stop from 50km/h to 0 in the width of a few car parks you're not ready to be flying along at 100km/h.

Also if you don't understand and actively use countersteering you will find it rather difficult to turn at high speed. I think that's what YellowDog was really trying to get at.

[Maha]

Get in contact with a Mentor near you.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php?u=794

[Taz]

Hi KerrA and welcome.

Hit the motorway any time. Nothing is easier than riding in a straight line in top gear.

Stick you toe out a little but better still adjust the rear brake pedal height to suit.

You will get used to your gear.

Ride and brake smoothly while always being aware of your position on the road and those around you. Constantly scan around with ya eyes and remember you have no right of way so keep sharp even when you have a green light as someone else can take that right away in a heartbeat. Leave the speed for well out of town and you'll probably keep your license. Don't show off..... especially if there is a video camera around.

[owner]

just practise emergency braking somewhere safe. Rear wheel skids are fun slam that sucker on, it wont make you fall if you are relaxed. The front brake is the dangerous one make sure to use that one carefully. The rear one not so much
If your gear fits correctly you will get used to it. Trust us "All the gear all the time" A.T.G.A.T.T is a great saying to live by. Even if it is uncomfortable hot sweaty smelly uncool uncomfortable. WEAR IT!

[discotex]

Nothing is easier than riding in a straight line in top gear.

Until all the cars in front slam on their brakes for no apparent reason....


+1 for find a mentor in your area.

[YellowDog]

If you can't stop from 50km/h to 0 in the width of a few car parks you're not ready to be flying along at 100km/h.

Also if you don't understand and actively use countersteering you will find it rather difficult to turn at high speed. I think that's what YellowDog was really trying to get at.
Yes Discotex, you are correct however when I was a newbee I struggled with the concept of counter steering.

I realised that I must have been doing it by the fact that I could smoothly overcome twisty bends at speed. When I started to think about what I was actually doing in relation to countersteering, I couldn't get my head around it and my riding would go to pot.

The easiest way for me to make it happen was simply to look to where I wanted the bike to go and the rest of it seemed to happen automatically.

[discotex]

Yes Discotex, you are correct however when I was a newbee I struggled with the concept of counter steering.

I realised that I must have been doing it by the fact that I could smoothly overcome twisty bends at speed. When I started to think about what I was actually doing in relation to countersteering, I couldn't get my head around it and my riding would go to pot.

The easiest way for me to make it happen was simply to look to where I wanted the bike to go and the rest of it seemed to happen automatically.

Totally understand.. I think there's a window of opportunity to actively learn to do it. Once you're already doing it automatically most people seem to have your reaction when they try to analyse it.

If you're introduced to the concept when you first start riding I think it's easier to grasp as you have no preconceptions or previous experiance to overcome.

This is the best vid I ever found that explains countersteering practically for newbies:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYourRide/312271B36D844390B6122827DE5E79C5/3-24-07-part-2-countersteeri.aspx

[driftn]

Welcome KerrA

Practice your take off in a car park or drive way. Stop start, stop start.

As for the break thing I would sugest pulling your foot back so the ball of your foot is on the peg and not the arch of your foot.

Hit the motor way at any time you like just ride at a speed you feel good at. and keep your witts about you and your surroundings.

Have fun mate see you on the road some time.

PM Deano he is a local mentor and will be more than happy to help as he is a very top bloke with a whole heap of knowlege.

[KerrA]

Thanks all, good advice and will definately take it onboard. Will have a look at this mentor thing.

Oh one last question, what is the best security for a bike? and where to get a disk lock that fits the back disk?

Cheers.

[rosie631]

Totally understand.. I think there's a window of opportunity to actively learn to do it. Once you're already doing it automatically most people seem to have your reaction when they try to analyse it.

If you're introduced to the concept when you first start riding I think it's easier to grasp as you have no preconceptions or previous experiance to overcome.

This is the best vid I ever found that explains countersteering practically for newbies:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/RideYourRide/312271B36D844390B6122827DE5E79C5/3-24-07-part-2-countersteeri.aspx

Just watched this video. Very interesting. I have been riding for years and have never heard of countersteering. I was always taught you don't steer, you lean i.e. use your weight. Have always ridden Harleys. Is this more a sportsbike thing?? or have I just been doing it wrong all this time?? Advice appreciated please.

[YellowDog]

Hey rosie631, I watched the video too (thanks Discotex) and it is what I have always done. Quite lucky really!

To ride your HD I am sure that you also countersteer and just don't realise you are doing it. As someone has already said on this thread, "you don't steer to turn, you lean." well in order to lean, you need to countersteer. It is what sets the leaning angle.

The only time you notice you are doing it (which is less common on an HD) is when you are taking sharp twisty bends at speed and you need to be rapidly changing from side to side.

[rosie631]

Hey rosie631, I watched the video too (thanks Discotex) and it is what I have always done. Quite lucky really!

To ride your HD I am sure that you also countersteer and just don't realise you are doing it. As someone has already said on this thread, "you don't steer to turn, you lean." well in order to lean, you need to countersteer. It is what sets the leaning angle.

The only time you notice you are doing it (which is less common on an HD) is when you are taking sharp twisty bends at speed and you need to be rapidly changing from side to side.

Hmmm, must be a subconscious thing. Will take note next time I'm out on the bike.

[Cheshire Cat]

Welcome to KB!!

[Pedrostt500]

Hi KerrA, welcome to KB, I carry a cable type lock on my bike its long enough to wrap around a solid object, ie lamp post, street sighn, park bench, and lock back through my bike. See you out on the road.

[Insanity_rules]

Welcome to the madhouse. Your gear may feel a little stiff until you break it in but the all the gear all the time mantra is a good one. Your foot and the rear brake is a bit of a worry, maybe you need to try a different foot position. A mentor is a great idea and riding with another person (preferably a well experienced rider) will show you some concepts that you'll need. Also search some of Buckbucks threads cause he has a brilliant rather technical take on learning to ride and is writing is very entertaining.


Thanks all, good advice and will definately take it onboard. Will have a look at this mentor thing.

Oh one last question, what is the best security for a bike? and where to get a disk lock that fits the back disk?

Cheers.

Why the back wheel? Its harder to see therefore remember you have applied it. Alarmed disk lock is a good way to go or a good cable lock if you have something to fix your bike to. A second more discrete kill switch is also a good idea.

See you out there and remember rubber side down!

[KerrA]

The Reason why I say back disk is because the sales guy at TSS said if you put it on the back disk it takes an extra person to pinch your bike unless they can lift the back by them selves.

[rosie631]

The Reason why I say back disk is because the sales guy at TSS said if you put it on the back disk it takes an extra person to pinch your bike unless they can lift the back by them selves.

I use a D lock through the rear wheel for that reason. Although is true that it's easier to forget it's on. Tried to take off once with it in place. Won't do that again.

[discotex]

Oh one last question, what is the best security for a bike? and where to get a disk lock that fits the back disk?


I personally giggle quietly to myself whenever I park up next to an old 250 that's secured like fort knox and I just use my steering lock.

Seriously, insurance is your main protection against theft. Anything else is window dressing and will be overpowered by anyone who really wants your bike. The one exception would be if you leave your bike on the street at night. A disk lock with an alarm might stop people playing around on your bike.


Just watched this video. Very interesting. I have been riding for years and have never heard of countersteering. I was always taught you don't steer, you lean i.e. use your weight. Have always ridden Harleys. Is this more a sportsbike thing?? or have I just been doing it wrong all this time?? Advice appreciated please.

No you're doing it right (or you'd never get around a tight corner) and just never noticed that's how it actually works. Once you're concious of it you'll probably find you can flick the bike side to side much easier as it's like you're wired to the wheels.

[Sparky Bills]

Just be smoooooooth and keep your eyes up and looking where you want to go. As what others have already said just practise in a car park or driveway untill you feel ready to venture out.
AND.... Dont believe everything you read on the internet. :shifty:
Good luck and enjoy :Punk:

[6ft5]

Hey guys,

Untill yesterday I was completely new to bikeing apart from my BHs course, Took my gsx 250 out onto the road and had a blast ( stalled a few times but meh) I dont think the smile will be off my face ever. Thanks also to TSS Red Baron for the sweet setup of gear.

now..

When is a good time to hit a motorway? All im having trouble with is my takeoffs SOMETIMES cause sometimes they are perfect sometimes they are shite...

Im also having trouble with my right foot and where its placed, cause of the heavy boots its accidently going down on the break, Any suggestions?

Thirdy I noticed I felt uncomfortable with my gear on at first cause it felt like I had very little movement or something, Will I just used to this?

Any help is good :)

Cheers guys, Ride safe!

Hi KerrA welcome to the site. Good to hear you realise that you will need help. I used Roadsafe / Andrew Templeton. He runs a re Motor Cycle school with courses for various different types of riders, new, returning or advanced. You can find him on saturday mornings on the WelTech Petone carpark across the road from the Petone Working Mans Club. Ride safe and have fun.

[Laxi]

Hey rosie631, I watched the video too (thanks Discotex) and it is what I have always done. Quite lucky really!

To ride your HD I am sure that you also countersteer and just don't realise you are doing it. As someone has already said on this thread, "you don't steer to turn, you lean." well in order to lean, you need to countersteer. It is what sets the leaning angle.

The only time you notice you are doing it (which is less common on an HD) is when you are taking sharp twisty bends at speed and you need to be rapidly changing from side to side.

im waiting for his tutorials on "dying on a horse turd" and map reading:laugh:

edit: was surprised by the vid, so tried it on the way home this morning, realised yeah I do counter steer in a sweeping corner but not in tighter ones (just tend to lean into them(and you cant convince me that you cant lean without counter steering),serrious question though, why do people say its safer to counter steer?

[YellowDog]

im waiting for his tutorials on "dying on a horse turd" and map reading:laugh:

edit: was surprised by the vid, so tried it on the way home this morning, realised yeah I do counter steer in a sweeping corner but not in tighter ones (just tend to lean into them(and you cant convince me that you cant lean without counter steering),serrious question though, why do people say its safer to counter steer?
I didn't know I was counter steering, but I did know I was swinging out before tight corners (counter steering).

[Laxi]

I didn't know I was counter steering, but I did know I was swinging out before tight corners (counter steering).

yeah, my bad! I noticed that today, say you're taking a left hander, I slightly move right 1st, is very subtle and I think my mind tells me im doing it to take a wider line, but that movement is what puts you into the lean to start with:niceone: