Managing Road Racing future

[Shaun]

A rep from each Nationals class is required to work with the Road Race commisioner to be.

I suggest, we contact all registered riders that Actually raced in the nationals, we ask each group/class, to nominate a spokes person for there class.

This person, then recieves all enquiries,comments,suggestions, and then direct them to the Road race commisioner.

WHY

The road race commisioner is NOT paid to do all the hours, so LETS share these hours between our selves, so it hurts one person less for a start!

The spokes person for each class, can compile a list of idea,s offered for there class at months end each month to the commisioner, so this will be all documented, saved, and acted upon when required.

Each class, can then set there 'Majority rules' Direction between them selves, So no one can come up with un practical rules etc, ie, the f3 rules rubbish this year for example, lets get on it, and RUN our own show, in conjunction with our office admin center, MNZ.

600 Sports prod and SB, let the riders them selves decide as a group ' Majority rules' RIDERS, NOT team managers/owners, how, or what to do about tuning, suspension etc.

REGISTERED riders only! Not no name people on web sites----- Not trying to be insulting here, it is just that it is there money they are spending, and for some one to administer there class's future, time is of the essence, and no one has the time or money to waste on replying to every post on a web site.

I would suggest this to be run through the NEW www.kiwiracer.co.nz web site, with sign in only using your real name, and MNZ License number, to elliminate key board hero's.

This site, could/would be a fantastice site to use, to learn/map, what the fans, public want, so a Forum for each class could be? set up on here, to post your thoughts, so the rep of each class can read/save/learn what the public really think and want?

Simple, practical, cost effective, and doing some thing our selves for a change, instaed of complaing later when the horse has bolted.





PLEASE get on here and add, refine my idea

[Maido]

Beautiful in its simplicity Shaun! 100% behind you for this great idea.

[R6_kid]

The same idea works well at University for communicating ideas between hundreds of students via class rep to the student - lecturer committee.

If it's a possibility it would be stupid to pass up the opportunity to give it a go.

[Tony.OK]

They say everyone has at least one great idea in their lifetime....................................Shaun ya just had yours........tis a goodie too mate:yes:

[Ivan]

Im behind you on this to great idea

[scrivy]

Pffftttttttt....... the sidecar class has been doing that for over 25 years.......:woohoo:

[wharfy]

sounds reasonable to me..... :2thumbsup

[burtsidecar16]

thanks shaun someone had to say it and im trying to do that same thing with the sidecar guys so im quite happy to stick my hand high in the air for that job

[ajturbo]

sounds too easy...

but it is a great idea

now all i have to do is race.... in the nationals.... than i can get MY great ideas on paper...

[Billy]

Yip,Brilliant idea.In fact JT has already been in touch with me regarding raising the profile of Streetstock in the Nth Island,The plan is to try and get it as close too the South island as possible

[Kiwi Graham]

Ah, the nothern hemisphere is suiting you well mate, another top idea to help the sport. Just need buy in from the powers that be now, Andrew where are ya with your magic wand and the ear of those in the know?

[Shaun]

Ah, the nothern hemisphere is suiting you well mate, another top idea to help the sport. Just need buy in from the powers that be now, Andrew where are ya with your magic wand and the ear of those in the know?



Glad you agree Graham, I know you have a reasnoble iq level, so will take that as a compliment:wari:

[koba]

Seems to be a farken excellent Idea. as I always do I'm trying to figure out downsides, not much significant crops up in my brain so far...

[Shaun]

Mr RT, your thoughts please?

[Shaun]

O well, i thought this place was full of race people with an opinion

[White trash]

Sorry, thought we were only interested in hearing from racers.

My $0.02 Great idea indeed. You'd wanna be pretty choosy about who was chosen and how they were chosen though.

[codgyoleracer]

Its an intersting concept shaun - but as in politics - the majority dont always get their way (and for darned good reasons sometimes aye !)

Good basic idea though mate
Glen

[FROSTY]

I love the concept Shaun. I do wonder though if you are going to get hands held up to offer their services.
I'd put my hand up for F3 but I don't currently qualify as Im not THIS SEASON racing.

[roadracingoldfart]

Its an intersting concept shaun - but as in politics - the majority dont always get their way (and for darned good reasons sometimes aye !)

Good basic idea though mate
Glen


Ditto to that Glen .

I like the basic part most of all , but im sure basic-ness will be overpowered by politics at some point.
Id like to see some debate on it though.

I should go now as im not a licenced racer .....


Paul.

[Shaun]

' Quote from Glen' Its an intersting concept shaun - but as in politics - the majority dont always get their way (and for darned good reasons sometimes aye !)


Hi Glen, I see your point but, disagree mate, politics.NO MATE, this our sport, and OUR road race commisioner would welcome the support I am 100% sure

And I am also confident that Jim Tuckerman and Paul Pav would see the sense in this as well, as it means a lot less hours for the New incoming commisioner, and IS a positive step forward.

The registered riders choose there person ( FROSTY THANKS) But you could forward your application/commitment to the Road race commitee, for your name to be put in the hat.

These peole NEED to be racers, or at least very experienced past racers, WHO understand OUR real world!


WHITETRASH, NO mate, RACERS only on the www.kiwibiker.co.nz site, to elimate wasting time reading recording key board hero shite


MARK PAV

Please comment mate, you know the game well, and do you think this could truly support our next commisioner and the future of the sport?

[Shaun]

TTT, once again

[Mark Pav]

Shaun,

I agree that the concept of a riders representative would be useful if properly implemented and properly manned. The only problem here is that it is often difficult to get much agreement among riders due to the fact they are by their very nature very competitive individuals ,who also carry a lot of vested interests and sponsorship baggage often making agreement on anything beyond basic safety issues difficult. That said, anything that opens up the lines of communication cannot be a bad thing. It would help if there was a situation where the riders felt isolated from the commissioner. I can think of some riders that would be perfect for the job, and I can think of others who would probably be disastrous at it.......

[Robert Taylor]

Mr RT, your thoughts please?

Ive had a very busy last couple of days and was loathe to open this thread in case it was something that was going to play on my mind. Yes there are merits to dividing the responsibilities as long as there are no co-ordination dramas. But I disagree with the concept of ''racers only''. ( Unless Ive misread or missed something in my haste ) The industry, particularly the bike distributors need to always have a strong say as they put more money into the sport than anyone else. Without their support its little more than club racing.
Thats my immediate take, subject to thinking about it further.

[Shaun]

Thanks Paul and Robert.

This idea, is ONLY to be able to keep the commisioner informed on what the riders want/think about the sport, in NO way am I suggesting that this group would be running the sport in any way, it is just a way of supplying the commisioner with idea's from each class.

This helps manage the man hours of the commisioner---- Like what Suzuki have done with helping teams with equiptment.

Honda helped us big time with Paul Stewart, how many people have called Paul during his normall working hours, how many have recieved replies during normall working hours? as I say, thanks Honda!

Mark P, I think that is a fair reply to your comments

Robert, re the industry

In my opinion the industry know best, they have serious marketing skills and network contacts, that know how to manage/build a professional buisness entity.

The importers allocate a rather large amount of finance on marketing of our/there racing, and the coverage that is recieved really is a poor ROI in my opinion. I would like to see the importers, allocate that money to a PROFESSIONAL manager of the road racing scene as a retainer to employ this person, and allow this person to take a % of out side finance obtained for the race scene---- Yes this is heading to the plan I presented 5 or so years ago, ( Which I still believe in)

The Importers need to Employ our next Road Race commisioner? This will give them a better ROI:niceone:

More feed back please, and thanks guys.

[Shaun]

Bumpty bump again:argh:

[wharfy]

Just to be clear in MY interpretation of the original post :
This is for NATIONAL LEVEL RACERS to be able to give the Road Race Commissioner feedback on what THEY require/desire to improve participation (or amount of pleasure ?) in competing in the NATIONALS ?
I assume that the "INDUSTRY" has its own lines of communication with MNZ and doesn't need representation through this channel. Obviously riders with sponsorship from the "industry" will be wanting to include things that will benefit the sponsor as well as the riders.

Sounds like a goer to me . :2thumbsup

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=wharfy;1129248236]Just to be clear in MY interpretation of the original post :
This is for NATIONAL LEVEL RACERS to be able to give the Road Race Commissioner feedback on what THEY require/desire to improve participation (or amount of pleasure ?) in competing in the NATIONALS ?



:2thumbsup acically YES mate


I assume that the "INDUSTRY" has its own lines of communication with MNZ and doesn't need representation through this channel. Obviously riders with sponsorship from the "industry" will be wanting to include things that will benefit the sponsor as well as the riders.


:calm: But I believe the Industry has not, and does not tell/advice MNZ how to run there company, just supports US with finance