Should the bucket capacity go up to 250cc?

[DELLORTO]

heard john connor talking about it a few months back, it would be quite cool to be able to have xr200 and xr250 motors ect and throw them in fxr150's....saves putting in a 150cc chinka:scooter:
with fxr150 motors and old small capacity four strokes getting more and more rare i think it would be a great idea
wat do you guys think?

[R6_kid]

Motocross motors aren't allowed if you read the rules. Opening up the engine capacity might be a good move, but what happens to all the bikes currently setup for racing in buckets? There will be no market for them and will basically become boat anchors if they aren't already.

[DELLORTO]

xr motors arnt for mx they can be road regested

[Laxi]

I thought there was already a 250 class for racing, the whole reason I want to go bucket racing is cheapish, easy to fix fun

[DELLORTO]

I thought there was already a 250 class for racing, the whole reason I want to go bucket racing is cheapish, easy to fix fun

there no class for xr250's...lol and they are very cheap 90's xr250 motors are about $600 for a good running one and you can get shineray 200cc motors for $600 also

[Laxi]

there no class for xr250's...lol and they are very cheap 90's xr250 motors are about $600 for a good running one and you can get shineray 200cc motors for $600 also

theres was a whole bucket, ready to race that just sold for $400 (missed out on that 1:shutup:)

[DELLORTO]

theres was a whole bucket, ready to race that just sold for $400 (missed out on that 1:shutup:)

join the crowd and buy a fxr150....:wari:

[Laxi]

join the crowd and buy a fxr150....:wari:

nah, want somthing almost as old and smokey as me:laugh:

[Kickaha]

What was his reasoning behind the change to 250?

I don't see any need for it, it's trying to fix something that isn't broken

[Yow Ling]

Why open a new can of worms ! The old one is working fine. if you want to race a 250 for whatever reason there is a proposed 250 class and street stock takes 250 diesels i think. An rg150 would so kick an xr250 it wouldnt even be funny

[Rick 52]

Why open a new can of worms ! The old one is working fine. if you want to race a 250 for whatever reason there is a proposed 250 class and street stock takes 250 diesels i think. An rg150 would so kick an xr250 it wouldnt even be funny


Well said !

[DELLORTO]

do you reackeon a fxr150 motor is faster than a xr250 motor or gn250 motor?

[Pumba]

Its not about a xr250 wngine or a GN250 engine.

lifting the cc rating would let in another raft of other engines that would be far fron the spirit of the class.

But hey if you think it is such a good idea, write a submission to MNZ for a rule change proposal for them to consider, you are entitled to as a paid up member

[koba]

The only way I can think of that being a good idea is if you meant 250 sidevalves!

[hmurphy]

I voted no. I don't want this to become more expensive than it already is! Hard to afford even bucket racing when you earn S.F.A a week and you are a student!

[Sketchy_Racer]

No that is a daft idea. The idea of buckets is small. If someone got serious about developing a XR250 motor or similar you would have something that would end up very close to a modern 250 MX motor. As been said it aint broke don't fix it.

[Sketchy_Racer]

there no class for xr250's...lol and they are very cheap 90's xr250 motors are about $600 for a good running one and you can get shineray 200cc motors for $600 also

That's very short sighted. A good XR motor will go for far more than that to the right person and as far as I know they have stopped production on them now as all development had gone the CRF range.

Shineray/Loncin etc make 150cc motors as well that fit in the current rules so just get one of them.

[DELLORTO]

I voted no. I don't want this to become more expensive than it already is! Hard to afford even bucket racing when you earn S.F.A a week and you are a student!

dont worry its just an idea....i wanted to hear all your opinons thats all

[quallman1234]

No. Its fine as it is.

Sounds to me like you want more speed, the whole track day thing etc. But from what ive observed you still have a lot to learn from buckets. Once you start getting up there a little bit more a jump to 150cc (keep racing buckets! at the same time), wouldn't be a bad thing. Contact "Billy" on here if you want more info.

[gav]

Most of the good old XR motors are returning to VMX duty. The 150 rule has been a godsend that has truely revitalised the sport. And before you mention that FXR's are no longer sold new, the Honda CBR150/125 is starting to gain ground and we havent yet seen the Yamaha R125. Wont be too long before a decent Chinese motor is available, the Loncin is already a great motor.

[Skunk]

If anything the cc limit should be LOWERED. That's not going to happen so let's leave it alone. It's not broken.
This is meant to be (relatively) low cost, low speed, kart track racing. I hope that MotoFXR gets big enough to stand on it's own (with other 150cc 4 strokes such as Loncin included) and we can drop the F4 limit back to 145cc.

Worst thing to happen to Buckets was the introduction of these big smelly diesels... :laugh:

[DELLORTO]

Most of the good old XR motors are returning to VMX duty. The 150 rule has been a godsend that has truely revitalised the sport. And before you mention that FXR's are no longer sold new, the Honda CBR150/125 is starting to gain ground and we havent yet seen the Yamaha R125. Wont be too long before a decent Chinese motor is available, the Loncin is already a great motor.

i dont know about you but i wouldnt want to mess around with a fuel injector.....there abit complicated......its a bitty they arnt carburatored

fxr's are still realy easy to get and you can still buy them new from made-in-china.com, they've got full fairings now!

[DELLORTO]

No. Its fine as it is.

Sounds to me like you want more speed, the whole track day thing etc. But from what ive observed you still have a lot to learn from buckets. Once you start getting up there a little bit more a jump to 150cc (keep racing buckets! at the same time), wouldn't be a bad thing. Contact "Billy" on here if you want more info.

ive only done 3 meeting so yes ive got alot to learn, hae ive moved up from 5hp pocket bikes..........or course i want more power!!!

my fxr150 seems to keep me entertained at the moment tho

[quallman1234]

ive only done 3 meeting so yes ive got alot to learn, hae ive moved up from 5hp pocket bikes..........or course i want more power!!!

my fxr150 seems to keep me entertained at the moment tho

Awesome man, best of luck! Come down to kaitoke sometime, its seriously awesome!

[DELLORTO]

yer i will......jsut got to waite until the weather in wellignton is reliable :Police:

[Trudes]

Weather smeather just ride whatever the weather.... it's character building! :D

[SHELRACING]

heard john connor talking about it a few months back, it would be quite cool to be able to have xr200 and xr250 motors ect and throw them in fxr150's....saves putting in a 150cc chinka:scooter:
with fxr150 motors and old small capacity four strokes getting more and more rare i think it would be a great idea
wat do you guys think?

Wot u posing this question for ?? didn't you already say your FXR was too big for a kart track.

I may be wrong, but I doubt John connor would be wanting to see 250's on a kart track. A review of the rules maybe, a review of the two stroke carb ruling is definately in order ( cos I have three of them now )

Personally I thinks it's a good competion as it is.

[DELLORTO]

yes my fxr is too big {cos its turning cicle is crap}......i meant for bigger tracks like kaitoke, hasting...and all the others

john was talking more in the way of boring bikes out ect

[quallman1234]

Wot u posing this question for ?? didn't you already say your FXR was too big for a kart track.

I may be wrong, but I doubt John connor would be wanting to see 250's on a kart track. A review of the rules maybe, a review of the two stroke carb ruling is definately in order ( cos I have three of them now )

Personally I thinks it's a good competion as it is.

I can seriously see some stuipdly quick buckets coming from a 125 with something like a 36mm carb on it! Much faster than a fxr for instance.

[SHELRACING]

I can seriously see some stuipdly quick buckets coming from a 125 with something like a 36mm carb on it! Much faster than a fxr for instance.

There are already some stupidly quick buckets, I suppose it depends on how stupid the rider is.

There still has to be reasonable limits, but I was suggesting ammendments to allow the older bikes to remain competitive with the modern bikes. It has been discussed wether the carb limit on F4 2 strokes be increased to 28mm, which is not unreasonable.

[Shorty_925]

When did the rules change to allow 150's in and what was the reasoning?

To have cheap fastish racing would be to put road tyres onto an 85 mx bike, parts and bikes are everywhere, and would be a good way for kids to get into road racing.

[Jantar]

I haven't voted as I haven't been on a race track for over 30 years. I do have a suggestion that will make those who bigger moters able to have them and won't disadvantage the current racers.

My suggestion:
No limit on engine size.
Maximum carb size 24 mm (or 17 mm for twin carbs)
Maximum exhaust tailpipe diameter 25 mm.

[DELLORTO]

When did the rules change to allow 150's in and what was the reasoning?

To have cheap fastish racing would be to put road tyres onto an 85 mx bike, parts and bikes are everywhere, and would be a good way for kids to get into road racing.

thats a good idea mate!! ive always wanted to start a 85cc mx motard series

[Hazzard]

If the limit was going to be raised wouldnt 200cc be a better limit?

[Kickaha]

If the limit was going to be raised wouldnt 200cc be a better limit?

Thast what they have in Oz with a two valve engine and carb size limit

There's no need for it here, there is nothing wrong with the current rules and capacity limit

[Yow Ling]

thats a good idea mate!! ive always wanted to start a 85cc mx motard series

if thats what you have always wanted , why suggest 250 diesel buckets ?

the bucket formula is pretty well thought out, making a big change at the top will mean adjusting all the other rules like the carb restriction on 125's , the supercharging rule etc, would f5 have to go up to 100cc? Its just too easy to spend 3 seconds thinking then post it up on kb.

Jantar, your idea is almost as silly as Dellorto's

[DELLORTO]

if thats what you have always wanted , why suggest 250 diesel buckets ?

the bucket formula is pretty well thought out, making a big change at the top will mean adjusting all the other rules like the carb restriction on 125's , the supercharging rule etc, would f5 have to go up to 100cc? Its just too easy to spend 3 seconds thinking then post it up on kb.

Jantar, your idea is almost as silly as Dellorto's

my idea's not "silly"........up here in auckland people think different.....it dosnt mean im silly it jsut means im into the sport and want to make it better for everyone

[DELLORTO]

if thats what you have always wanted , why suggest 250 diesel buckets ?

the bucket formula is pretty well thought out, making a big change at the top will mean adjusting all the other rules like the carb restriction on 125's , the supercharging rule etc, would f5 have to go up to 100cc? Its just too easy to spend 3 seconds thinking then post it up on kb.

Jantar, your idea is almost as silly as Dellorto's

i dont mean to run with buckets......:spanking:

have a time out :argue: lol......

[Kickaha]

i dont mean to run with buckets......:spanking:

have a time out :argue: lol......

Shouldn't be posted in the bucket forum then, Mods infract his arse:Police:

[DELLORTO]

Shouldn't be posted in the bucket forum then, Mods infract his arse:Police:

ok you got me:Police:

[Skunk]

ok you got me:Police:
WTF is wrong with you?

Should the bucket capacity go up to 250cc?
But you don't mean Buckets. Huh?

Not often I say this - STFU.

[DELLORTO]

WTF is wrong with you?

But you don't mean Buckets. Huh?

Not often I say this - STFU.

hae all im trying to do is make a conversation and listen to peoples ideas......

and then people like you come along and blow your head-gasket.....you just make this realy frustrating.....please dont comment on my threads in the future
-max

[Kickaha]

...please dont comment on my threads in the future
-max

Yeah Skunk you're nothing but a trouble maker :bleh:

[Kendog]

hae all im trying to do is make a conversation and listen to peoples ideas......

and then people like you come along and blow your head-gasket.....you just make this realy frustrating.....please dont comment on my threads in the future
-max

It's his birthday, on his birthday he can say what he likes. Especially in a thread called
should buckets have a capacity of 250cc??

Where you then say
i dont mean to run with buckets......:spanking:

[dangerous]

heard john connor talking about it a few months back, it would be quite cool to be able to have xr200 and xr250 motors ect and throw them in fxr150's....saves putting in a 150cc chinka:scooter:
with fxr150 motors and old small capacity four strokes getting more and more rare i think it would be a great idea
wat do you guys think?

ok.. I aint read past this post, dont need to cos...

WHAT THE FUCK

LOL... thats just deluded thoughts man. :chase:



PS: its such a crock a shit eg: I get beat by XR250 engines in Posties on my 350 stroker.
PPS: weres the WTF option on ya poll?

[DELLORTO]

It's his birthday, on his birthday he can say what he likes. Especially in a thread called
should buckets have a capacity of 250cc??

Where you then say
i dont mean to run with buckets......:spanking:

i never said "i dont mean to run with buckets" i said it would be cool to have 85cc motards anyway i didnt realise that you guys feel so strongly about this sort of thing s olets just.I apologise for making this thread.

[Skunk]

Yeah Skunk you're nothing but a trouble maker :bleh:Yeah, I've never been told that before... cheers!


hae all im trying to do is make a conversation and listen to peoples ideas......

and then people like you come along and blow your head-gasket.....you just make this realy frustrating.....please dont comment on my threads in the future
-maxDon't come up with silly ones then. Simple.
Hey I've got an idea. Should Superbikes be limited to one wheel?

[Trudes]

PML this thread just keeps getting betterer and betterer!!!:niceone::laugh:

[Str8 Jacket]

PML this thread just keeps getting betterer and betterer!!!:niceone::laugh:

Ya ha!! Men with PMS! Did someone say B A N A N A ' S ?


:wari: :wari: :wari: :wari: :wari: :wari: :wari: :wari:

[Skunk]

Keep ya PMS to yourself...

[Kendog]

i never said "i dont mean to run with buckets" i said it would be cool to have 85cc motards
I won't point out the obvious about what you said and did not say.


I apologise for making this thread.
I will point out that is your most sensible post in this thread.

[Kickaha]

PS: its such a crock a shit eg: I get beat by XR250 engines in Posties on my 350 stroker.


Yeah but that's because you're slow

[Jantar]

Jantar, your idea is almost as silly as Dellorto's

Please explain why. A 1000cc engine with a 24 mm carb wont produce any more power than a 125cc engine with a 24 mm carb. The power output of any engine is simply a fuction of how hard it can breathe multiplied by the pressure increase through heating the air that it is pumping through. limiting the intake and exhaust sizes puts a limit on the HP that can be produced, so why worry if someone wants to use a huge capacity to do that?

[Skunk]

Kart tracks. Physical mass. Human ingenuity. Three reasons it's a bad idea. Mostly Buckets run on kart tracks. Much tighter than a race track so a small light bike has an advantage. Some 'wanker' will have a bight idea and stuff a 1000cc engine into an H100 and gain a 'unfair' advantage. It would either develop or kill the class. It's doing fine as it is.
I think a 1000cc with a 24mm carb will produce more than 15hp. Only one cylinder at a time will be breathing. Most 125's are single cylinder. So straight away you have a 250cc high torque engine breathing with a 24mm carb.

[fi5hy]

If anything the cc limit should be LOWERED. That's not going to happen so let's leave it alone. It's not broken.
This is meant to be (relatively) low cost, low speed, kart track racing. I hope that MotoFXR gets big enough to stand on it's own (with other 150cc 4 strokes such as Loncin included) and we can drop the F4 limit back to 145cc.

Worst thing to happen to Buckets was the introduction of these big smelly diesels... :laugh:

Ha mate the Loncin is only a 144cc

[Kendog]

Ha mate the Loncin is only a 144cc

Loncin FTW!

[Jantar]

..
I think a 1000cc with a 24mm carb will produce more than 15hp. Only one cylinder at a time will be breathing. Most 125's are single cylinder. So straight away you have a 250cc high torque engine breathing with a 24mm carb.

The same reasoning can be applied to 125 cc two stroke twins. With a properly designed intake manifold only one cylinder is breathing at a time so almost double the power could be produced. this is the same priciple that Burt Munroe applied to his Indian; a single carb supplying both cylinders.

[Skunk]

Except the 125's are two stroke and the dynamics of the carb are more important and also (as a two stroke) everything happens twice as often.

Your Burt Munroe example is a good reason why NOT to allow it.

[Skunk]

Loncin FTW!
Oh do shut up... :laugh:

I've lost the steel for the tank all of a sudden.

[Skunk]

Ha mate the Loncin is only a 144cc
Ok then 143cc

[dangerous]

this 1000cc jive, I was talking with MCC's X pres the other day and hes serious about removing the valves in 1 pot of a 600 to get it in a lower class, its already been done up north... I think sketchy has raced it or against it?

so its no loughing matter LOL, some clown will do it in F4 :doh:

[Sketchy_Racer]

this 1000cc jive, I was talking with MCC's X pres the other day and hes serious about removing the valves in 1 pot of a 600 to get it in a lower class, its already been done up north... I think sketchy has raced it or against it?

so its no loughing matter LOL, some clown will do it in F4 :doh:

Yeah I raced Chris Osbornes 450 (600 with a dropped cylinder) at the NI round of nationals, and it was awesome! An awesome concept and it works the bike was really competitive, but this is trailing away from buckets. The bucket rules work well now there are not really any bikes severely dominating the field which is good. It appears that the fastest bikes are the one people have spent the most time on and that ride them well. Lets face it you can have a rocket ship but unless you can ride the thing you're not going anywhere!

[Yow Ling]

I do have a suggestion that will make those who bigger moters able to have them and won't disadvantage the current racers.

My suggestion:
No limit on engine size.
Maximum carb size 24 mm (or 17 mm for twin carbs)
Maximum exhaust tailpipe diameter 25 mm.



Please explain why. A 1000cc engine with a 24 mm carb wont produce any more power than a 125cc engine with a 24 mm carb. The power output of any engine is simply a fuction of how hard it can breathe multiplied by the pressure increase through heating the air that it is pumping through. limiting the intake and exhaust sizes puts a limit on the HP that can be produced, so why worry if someone wants to use a huge capacity to do that?

Because you say it wont disadvantage current racers, F4 rules allow unlimited carb size for current 4 stroke engines so they are disadvantaged, 2 stroke 100cc unlimited carbs they disadvantaged, 24mm exhaust many bike currently run 28 to 30 mm so they disadvantaged. The only reason that 125 aircooled specifically have a 24 mm carb rule is to level the feild with 100s putting a 24mm carb on a 100 would severly disadvantage them

[SHELRACING]

I say chaps this stupid thread has created much amusement. Haven't laughed so much in ages.

Perhaps Dellorto has some other Ideas he'd like to share.

Most interesting thing to come out of it all is now everyone knows Skunk's a troublemaker. :yeah:

[Skunk]

Most interesting thing to come out of it all is now everyone knows Skunk's a troublemaker. :yeah:
Woohoo! Up until now I think I was just stupid...

Now I'm a stupid troublemaker. :niceone:

[Skunk]

some clown will do it in F4 :doh:
Is that a challenge?...

[DELLORTO]

now i know why 90% of bucket racers arnt on this forum......

this shall be last post on this section for a very long time,

i

[Sketchy_Racer]

now i know why 90% of bucket racers arnt on this forum......

this shall be last post on this section for a very long time,

i

I think you will find a large number of bucketeers do frequent this forum though!

It's good to have ideas and to voice them but you need to stop and think before spouting silly ideas. I used to do the same thing when I was younger and just like you, I got the same response from other posters. Don't sweat it, just think about what your saying before posting it. The very biased consensus is that the bucket rules are absolutely fine as they are don't need amending. If that was not the case, that is when radical ideas like yours might have more merit.

Oh and Skunk stop causing trouble would you.

[bungbung]

now i know why 90% of bucket racers arnt on this forum......

this shall be last post on this section for a very long time,

i

Jesus! stop posting and start reading.

Sketchy's post above is a good start.

[Skunk]

Oh and Skunk stop causing trouble would you.
OK, sorry...

[fi5hy]

For one you don't need a hi HP motor there are more corners than straights on any kart track so try working on corner speed getting in fast and out the same the faster you get on the throttle the longer the straight will be and the faster you will be going at the end of it.

For you South Island boys total disregard this post because the tracks you guys have have more straights than corners.


Keep the rules as they are and ride the bloody bike like you stole it.

I for one have a low HP motor which is fine (low HP low maintenance)
Like they say KEEP IT SIMPLE :nono:

[dangerous]

I used to do the same thing when I was younger... OHH... you farking old fart, you oll sticks reckon ya got all the answers dont ya, ill wip ya arse on the track anytime grand dad :niceone:




this shall be last post on this section for a very long time,

I think... trouble would you.
OHHH SK... ya just farked that up!

[quallman1234]

There are already some stupidly quick buckets, I suppose it depends on how stupid the rider is.

There still has to be reasonable limits, but I was suggesting ammendments to allow the older bikes to remain competitive with the modern bikes. It has been discussed wether the carb limit on F4 2 strokes be increased to 28mm, which is not unreasonable.

Hell im not complaining i have a 125 and a spare 28mm carb....

[Pumba]

I know all you fullas are taking the piss at DELLORTO expense, and although I have found it highly amusing, remember he is only young and full of ideas about how the sport could be better.

I know he is way off the mark on this one (and throwing his toys when this was pointed out makes it all the better) but might pay to take it a little easy.

He has a loooooooooooooot to learn.

[Kendog]

but might pay to take it a little easy.

Yes dad :msn-wink:

[Pumba]

Yes dad :msn-wink:

Furukin smart arses

Im no ones dad, and I until I see a DNA test that says other wise that is my good dam story:eek:

[Str8 Jacket]

Is it time for a group hug yet?

[Pumba]

group hug

With benifits?

[Skunk]

With benifits?
I don't want your 'benefits'... :laugh:

[Kickaha]

I don't want your 'benefits'... :laugh:

You still here causing trouble?:spanking:

[Sketchy_Racer]

You still here causing trouble?:spanking:

Maybe we should ask if he can be banned. There's enough trouble making happening around here without him making anymore.

[Skunk]

You're all BASTARDS. BASTARDS I TELL YA!

I'm not posting here until I've had a good Whaaaa!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Look there he goes again. No respect at all.

[Pumba]

There we go mods infract his arse, thats abuse that is:devil2:

[gav]

Well, where to start .... while it might be easy to take the piss out of the original post, if it was John Conner who mentioned this as an idea, then I for one, would want to know what his thinking or reasoning is for that.

In Australia they run a Motolites and Superlites class.

Motolites
Typical Motolite (bucket) racers include the Moriwaki MH80R 80cc water-cooled two strokes and Honda RS125 grand prix framed hybrids usually powered by an 85cc water-cooled two stroke or larger capacity four stroke engine.

Classes One class combining:
- 111cc Air cooled 2 strokes
- 85cc Water cooled 2 strokes
- 159cc 4 valve single cylinder 4 stroke
- 185cc 2 valve single cylinder 4 stroke
- 159cc 2 valve twin cylinder 4 stroke
- 200cc 2 valve air cooled single cylinder 4 stroke with a maximum size carburettor of 28mm.

These capacities are maximum sizes, a tolerance of 2% is included within these capacities. Open to any grade of rider.
# Engines Choice of engine is open. Any engine conforming to capacity & valve constraints under “Classes” section 1. Exception: No Road Race / GP or hand built engines

# Forks: Forks may be of any diameter, conventional or upside down

# Frames: Frames is open.

# Brakes: Brake modification is permitted.

# Tyres: Tyres to be readily available in Australia. No Slicks, Intermediates or Wet weather racing tyres. Tyres are to be as they left the manufacturer. (ie: No regrooving).


Superlites
Typical superlite (bucket) racers include Honda H100 and CB125/150 and SL125 and CL100, Suzuki GS125 and DR125 and Yamaha DT100, Kawasaki KH100.

# Classes: One Class, 111cc 2 Stroke & 159cc 4 stroke maximum capacities. An engine tolerance of 2% is included within these capacities. There are two grades:
- Pro Class &
- Amateur Class

# Frames: Frames shall be from homologated, non-competition, Road or Trail machines only. Frames shall be twin shock design only (ie: No single shock frames to be used).

[Skunk]

But they run on road racing tracks, not kart tracks (from what I've seen) so it makes more sense to have those rules. Except for Chch who else uses 'big' tracks?

[F5 Dave]

FFS is this thread still going on? Buckets is buckets the way it is. Why screw with something that works? [unsubscribe]:sleep:

[Skunk]

FFS is this thread still going on? Buckets is buckets the way it is. Why screw with something that works? [unsubscribe]:sleep:
And you guys say I'm trouble?... Good points though Dave

[gav]

And of course, they don't get the mighty FXR150 over there either ....

More Oz stuff here if interested http://www.ozbucketracing.com/index.html

[Buckets4Me]

did someone say 250cc two stroke water cooled :eek::jerry:

:mobile: E.S.E where are you I need that tzr engine put into the tz250 frame I have lying around

what gear ratios do I need for the bucket track ????

have a spare rs250 honda lying around and a rgv250 engine what should I do ????

for a some reason I dont think John C would be saying 250cc motors on a cart track
would be better to let you use 80cc mx motors instead (cheaper easier and faster)

[dangerous]

Well, where to start .... In Australia they run a Motolites and Superlites class.

hmmm... thats Aussie this is NZ
we race buckets, they race motolights superlites bright lights, what ever... uncomparable racing from bikes to rules, money and population... SO, a pointless post Gav.



I know all you fullas are taking the piss at DELLORTO expense, ohhhh, man ya cant wrap these kids in cotton wool ya know.. he will get over it and he will be a beter runt for it, withen this thread he will be learning more than we all relise.

[glice]

And of course, they don't get the mighty FXR150 over there either ....

More Oz stuff here if interested http://www.ozbucketracing.com/index.html

man they have some trick looking bikes over there. anyone know how much one of those would cost?

[gav]

hmmm... thats Aussie this is NZ
we race buckets, they race motolights superlites bright lights, what ever... uncomparable racing from bikes to rules and population... SO, a pointless post Gav.
Huh? Have another read of the Superlite class!
Typical superlite (bucket) racers include Honda H100 and CB125/150 and SL125 and CL100, Suzuki GS125 and DR125 and Yamaha DT100, Kawasaki KH100.
Even you has probably heard of these models ....
Hell, this is is what we've been racing isnt it, before FXR's became available?
Hardly pointless at all, just interesting to see how there sport has evolved.

[dangerous]

dont worry gav :yawn:

[skid]

Been quite a bit of discussion recently down here about a bigger class. The idea is to include more models that can be bought cheaply.

How about a 200cc limit for 4-strokes and 125cc water cooled 2-strokes? There are heaps of good 125cc 2-strokes we can get out of Japan and most manufacturers make them as 125 is the common learner licence restriction overseas. Also RG150 owners can buy RG125 barrels and pistons to make their bikes eligible. Asian companies like Kymco are producing nice 200cc single 4-strokes plus there are loads of DR200 etc trail bike out there.

Any thoughts?

[F5 Dave]

What on earth are you talking about? Heaps of good 125s? None cheap & none really imported to NZ. So we'd have a class where people imported Mitos, & RS125 Aprilias, or older TZR125s, Honda NSRs etc.

Newsflash; this will be expensive & 125 learner bikes are in hot demand for learners overseas so they get ridden & flogged & crashed until they don't go. Dirtbikes the same deal, which is why MX engines would be a non starter. Plus the tracks we use north of Chch are pretty tight, faster bikes aren't what we need. There are plenty of eligible bikes out there, just buy something that fits the class & get out there.

[Kickaha]

Any thoughts?

Yeah, stop trying to fix shit that aint broken, there's nothing wrong with the current cc limits

[Skunk]

Any thoughts?
My thoughts - go away! :laugh: Really, the idea of Buckets is to make shit go fast. Not get fast expensive stuff and go too fast for the tracks... Buckets is fine with the rules it's got. And there is no problem finding cheap shit engines.

[Buckets4Me]

so that makes the bike I have been working on for the last 4 years to slow and underpowered:doh:
just because you want to fine a bigger cc bike because you cant get anything that goes as fast as my bike :done:

I'll have to spend another 4 years sorting out a good engine all over again
and then you will make the cc bigger again say 400cc this time because there are plenty of 400 cc bikes and they arn't wanted for lerner riders and they are to small for normal riders

get lost buy a pos and make it go fast I've got plenty of horses and othere E.S.E bikes are even faster (we would like a bigger carb :P) or to know all SS90's secrets but I dont think we need to change anything
you already can use a 150cc 4 stroke. There are heeps of them out there just go find one, Then make it fast or go buy a CBR150 :jerry:

[k14]

Been quite a bit of discussion recently down here about a bigger class. The idea is to include more models that can be bought cheaply.

How about a 200cc limit for 4-strokes and 125cc water cooled 2-strokes? There are heaps of good 125cc 2-strokes we can get out of Japan and most manufacturers make them as 125 is the common learner licence restriction overseas. Also RG150 owners can buy RG125 barrels and pistons to make their bikes eligible. Asian companies like Kymco are producing nice 200cc single 4-strokes plus there are loads of DR200 etc trail bike out there.

Any thoughts?
Look at the pole. Its a landslide, move on, next idea! :doh: