Indicating at roundabouts

[dpex]

Surely, due to the manifest misunderstanding of this new rule, it poses one of the greatest risks.

Today I had two instances of this rule nearly involving me in a prang.

In the first I was in my cage at a 3-entry round-about (basically a T-intersection). I'm waiting to turn left from the down-stroke of the T.

A cager is coming from my right. He indicates to turn hard left (at least that was my interpretation, since he started indicating well before he entered the round-about). So I started to move, only to discover this driver was, in fact, indicating that he intended to go through the round-about but not complete a 180 degree.

He was clearly at fault for indicating too early. But I was equally culpable for assuming his intentions.

Later, on Team Zimmer, I came into a four entry/exit round-about (with twin lanes, just to add to the confusion).

A fellow biker pulled up next to me in the other lane, indicating he would be turning left out of the next exit.

That put me in a bad space because I was going to exit at the 270 degree exit. So I let him go. But he didn't exit left at the next exit, he carried on to the 180 degree exit. But the dude driving the bus waiting in the 90 degree exit assumed the biker was going out there and promptly pulled out.

Mercifully, the biker was quick on the grips and well avoided a prang, but then gave the bus-criver the bird (which would have thoroughly upset him seeing as he had reasonable right to assume the biker was going out of the 90 degree exit).

This new rule is madness, especially at very small round-abouts.

Consider this. If all drivers/riders entering a round-about only indicate a right turn, then all know the dude is going right. That he squirts off left at the first or second, or even third exit, without indicating importunes ONLY the drivers/riders at the entry which he will not pass. What does that mean? It means those drivers/riders might be held up for the thick end of three long seconds till they realise the drivers/riders is not going further through the round-about.

Surely, the utter inconvenience of maybe being held up for a further three seconds is way better than the confusion caused by the current new rule?

[AllanB]

I agree that the old way was better - if going straight through - don't indicate. Turn - indicate. Simple shit. And I found people would give way to everyone in the roundy.

Apparently it's all very 'European' now.

So are 'man-bags' and I don't want one of them..........

[Trudes]

It's common sense really (well, I think it is). If you're going right around the round about you indicate right until you reach the exit you intend to exit the round about on then you indicate left. If you are going straight through you don't indicate until you reach your exit then you indicate left. If you're going left on the first exit you indicate left before entering the round about and exit left. Seems simple but it always amazes me how many people manage to fuck it up.... they may as well just put their hazard lights on!! Now I'm confused.... has this changed from this??

[Danae]

Wait, what new rule?

Going straight, I don't indicate until I reach the exit then indicate left.

Going right, I indicate right

Going left, I indicate left

If I were to pass any exits on my way around a roundabout (especially that bastard in Panmure) I don't indicate until I get to my exit. Does that make sense?

[Dave Lobster]

It's common sense really (well, I think it is). If you're going right around the round about you indicate right until you reach the exit you intend to exit the round about on then you indicate left. If you are going straight through you don't indicate until you reach your exit then you indicate left. If you're going left on the first exit you indicate left before entering the round about and exit left. Seems simple but it always amazes me how many people manage to fuck it up....

Seems pretty simple to me too.

[Tony.OK]

The rule isn't exactly new.................its been there for years now.

Trouble is there was never enough publicity about it, agreed that small roundabouts are not worth the effort but its people not having a clue about what to do is the main problem.

We've got roundabouts for Africa here and most people don't even indicate at all, let alone getting it wrong.

I'd be happy for the cops to target these intersections instead of someone doing 115k's in a straight line, people would learn quick that way.

[AllanB]

It came in about 3-4 years ago at a guess. Us old farts just take a while to get it right :niceone:
Actually I get it right it's the others who don't who piss off me.

Mind you in my youth I was guilty of going straight over the island on a roundy one evening...........at speed.........:doh:

And at high school we ran a contest to see who could do the most continuous circuits around Sockburn roundabout (just leave the indicator on in this case :niceone:).

The word back then was 'hoon'

[slofox]

I don't have a problem with it at all. But other users do...which can cause me a problem as a result...one of my pet peeves in fact. I sympathise with your viewpoint dpex but I still want the rules in place. We just need to burn anyone who gets it wrong....

[Brownstoo]

What new rule?
is it the 'indicate right if you're not turning left' rule?

[firefighter]

If you are going straight through you don't indicate until you reach your exit then you indicate left.

Aaaactually, you're supposed to indicate out of the roundabout as you pass the exit before your own intended exit ....

[Virago]

What new rule?
is it the 'indicate right if you're not turning left' rule?

Wow, that's a new one on me. Where did you learn that rule?

[johan]

This is how you do it, or has it changed??

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/roundabouts.html

[steve_t]

Yup. Retards who can't indicate properly at roundabouts piss me off to no end! It's not rocket science!! Do not indicate if you're going straight and then indicate left after you pass the exit just before your one.
Some of these idiots would be better off not indicating at all.
In dpex's first example, if you're giving way to a guy coming from your right, but they indicate that they're turning left even before they get to the roundabout, if you pull out and they go straight into the right hand side of your vehicle, it's still your fault! It's retarded! :spanking:

Edit: Johan - that's EXACTLY how you're supposed to do it. They need a media campaign on indicating at roundabouts rather than all this constant speed stuff that people just tune out to

[slofox]

I see a lot of the "indicate right as you turn left" rule round here...oh and the obverse "indicate left as you turn right" rule. Then of course there's the "indicate right as you go straight ahead" rule as well...

[dipshit]

Surely, due to the manifest misunderstanding of this new rule, it poses one of the greatest risks.

There is no "new rule". Take a look at road code or the land-transport link johan posted.

It's stupid as fuck people that have never bothered to look at the road code that think there is some "new rule" that are causing the problems at roundabouts.

Where did you get the idea from there was some "new rule"?

[varminter]

It's common sense really (well, I think it is).

Not a chance, common sense, it's a myth. Why, how the hell can you eat a pie, use the phone, primp the hair and work out what to do at a roundabout. For most people it's just too confusing and anyway they're in a hurry. It's easier just to assume all other people on the roundabout are fuckheads and keep your eye's peeled. Good grief, you'll be asking them to stop at red lights next.

[sil3nt]

It's not fucking hard to understand and anyone who is confused by it is a moron who shouldn't be on the road. The link Johan posted explains it perfectly.

[scracha]

Lucky us foreigners are on here to explain things to the thick kiwi's

[EJT]

The dickheads that piss me off the most is where we are on opposing sides to a roundabout both going straight through and the dick(ett) indicates they are turning right so I stop and they turn their indicator off at the last minute and go straight:argh::argh:

It happens all the time.

[johan]

The dickheads that piss me off the most is where we are on opposing sides to a roundabout both going straight through and the dick(ett) indicates they are turning right so I stop and they turn their indicator off at the last minute and go straight:argh::argh:

It happens all the time.

The reason for installing a roundabout must be to improve traffic flow compared to a normal intersection, one would think.

But since no one can trust their fellow drivers indicating their intention properly, they are just a confusing waste of time and money.

Many seems do a full stop, waiting for the round about to clear, before entering it, which completely defeats its purpose.

Yet the road engineers seems to love roundabouts.

[BiK3RChiK]

Wait, what new rule?

Going straight, I don't indicate until I reach the exit then indicate left.

Going right, I indicate right

Going left, I indicate left

If I were to pass any exits on my way around a roundabout (especially that bastard in Panmure) I don't indicate until I get to my exit. Does that make sense?
This is what I do too... At least this is how I interpret the road code! Plenty of idiots around who don't know what to do... some indicate right when going straight through or indicate they are going left then go straight through! Usually, I give way until I'm certain I have clear passage, otherwise I might get taken out.

[been_there]

Wait, what new rule?

Going straight, I don't indicate until I reach the exit then indicate left.

Going right, I indicate right

Going left, I indicate left

If I were to pass any exits on my way around a roundabout (especially that bastard in Panmure) I don't indicate until I get to my exit. Does that make sense?

Thats exactly what I do and did for my full just not in Panmure.
No problem passing my test.

But there are some people that just don't understand it.

[Grahameeboy]

I agree that the old way was better - if going straight through - don't indicate. Turn - indicate. Simple shit. And I found people would give way to everyone in the roundy.

Apparently it's all very 'European' now.

So are 'man-bags' and I don't want one of them..........

Is it...it is very "Kiwi"

[BMWST?]

i see the same guy every morning and he definetly indicates right just before he exits the roundabout.i would love to ask him his logic for that

[Muppet]

I just sit there and let the tossers do their little indicating routine wait for them to bugger off and go through, it's not worth it.

[BrianZ]

This is how you do it, or has it changed??

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/road-user-safety/roundabouts.html

Updated diagrams with a bit more detail can be seen here: http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/roadcode/about-driving/giving-way-at-roundabouts.html

[Dave Lobster]

Yet the road engineers seems to love roundabouts.

Can you imagine how these would go down here?? There'd be more deaths because of heart attacks!!

[Brownstoo]

Wow, that's a new one on me. Where did you learn that rule?

Observation of the men in blue :Police:
Most of the ones I've seen did it.

[MacD]

There is no "new rule". Take a look at road code or the land-transport link johan posted.


You're right of course that it is not a new rule, the LTSA just decided to run an education campaign about indicating at roundabouts a few years ago.

That just seemed to confuse people!? No wonder they don't want to risk changing the "turning left, give way to the right rule" that everybody complains about.

It doesn't really bode well for those who suggest education is a better alternative to enforcement...

[Mully]

I've never understood how people mucked up this simple rule.

Before the latest "education" program (~2 years ago) people indicating correctly were a rarity. Now at least some people manage to get it right. My sister still manages to get it wrong, and taught her kids wrong. It got to the point where a very heated Uncle Mully had to take a Road Code to show them the correct rule. I suspect that's why those who stuff it up do so.

Honestly, it's very simple. If someone else chooses not to indicate/indicate correctly and any intersection, what difference does it make if it happens to be a roundabout? I choose to ride a motorcycle. As part of that, I choose to take responsibility for my own safety. Regardless of whether someone is indicating or not, I still make sure we aren't going to collide before I move into the intersection proper.

I'd rather lose my right-of-way than my bike or my life.

[sunhuntin]

i hate RABs... ive almost been taken out a couple of times by people not indicating correctly. dipshits. and yeh, so many people here dont seem to know how to indicate properly. i wouldnt mind seeing them all removed and replaced with sets of lights.