Will the Bain story make a great movie plot

[Big Dan]

please discuss i think it would

[ManDownUnder]

Why not - it's become a quite the fucken saga around here...

[Pussy]

Why not - it's become a quite the fucken saga around here...
Do you reckon the movie could be as good as the KB version?

[AllanB]

Oh yeah - but we really DON"T need to see the sex scenes .....:Oops:

[JMemonic]

Didn't an episode of CSI Miami kinda rip the whole idea off once?

[ManDownUnder]

Do you reckon the movie could be as good as the KB version?

Not sure but I doubt it. We have all the dramatic types in here. At the very least they'd want to approach us for all the facts of the case...

[Blackshear]

Where do i type in sage?!

[Big Dan]

Here's a question

Who would play David Bain ?

maybe that gerald guy off shortland street

[ManDownUnder]

...shortland street

Potty mouth!

[Headbanger]

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

[Pussy]

Not sure but I doubt it. We have all the dramatic types in here. At the very least they'd want to approach us for all the facts of the case...

Of course, MDU, all the true facts are here on KB..... :)

[Big Dan]

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

you have a sick mind - bling sent - lol

[Mom]

Maybe 8 even?

[Laxi]

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

dude! you have way too much time on your hands:rofl:

[naphazoline]

I think they should,and give him all the royalties.

As i understand it,they're saying he might not get any compensation? WTF!

[MisterD]

As i understand it,they're saying he might not get any compensation? WTF!

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime? :whistle:

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

[Big Dan]

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime? :whistle:

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

He has been found not guilty in the court of law and acquitted therefore he has no criminal record cause the privy council squashed his earlier convictions so as to your criminals profiting from a crime doesn't stack up in this case

[nodrog]

im still waiting for the breaking news story where they find joe karam dead, and a note from bain saying "LOL, you fuckers brought it, chic chic BOOM"

[Skyryder]

To get compo, you need to convince a QC that, on the balance of probability you are innocent...don't think that will really be the case do you?

As for giving him the royalties - aren't there rules about criminals profiting from a crime? :whistle:

**edit**

For it to sell as a movie, they'd have to re-cast Joe as a seppo...

Big Dan's post covers some of it.

What is not generaly know is that Karam has the the rights to Bains story. Before any one gets off on this it should be remembered that David Bain started out with nothing while Karam lost his entire fortune in 'batting' for Bain. There was more going on here than the verdict.


Skyryder

[oldrider]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

There are still five murders unaccounted for!

Millions of dollars already spent and millions probably yet to spend.

The police are literally no closer to solving the crimes than the day they were committed and their chief suspect has been declared "not guilty"!

Tomorrow is the first day of the Bain murder enquiry!

Who killed the Kahui twins?

Will "Scott Watson" be writing to Joe Karam next week?

Labour has left the government coffers empty, the world is in recession, Auckland is a disfunctional as a City!

Will New Zealanders wake up, or will they just turn their backs on reality, as they usually do!

They say that there is power in prayer, maybe we will have to try that, nothing else seems to work here. :doh:

[The Stranger]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings!

There are still five murders unaccounted for!

Millions of dollars already spent and millions probably yet to spend.

The police are literally no closer to solving the crimes than the day they were committed and their chief suspect has been declared "not guilty"!

Tomorrow is the first day of the Bain murder enquiry!



Surely you jest.
Unless some new evidence comes to light they will simply let it lie?
As far as the cops are aware they have their man. They simply couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Lets face it, he hasn't been found innocent has he?

[hospitalfood]

i think the definition of "not guilty" is innocent.
if he is not guilty, he did not do it. so surely that means he is innocent of doing it.
you get my meaning???

[The Stranger]

i think the definition of "not guilty" is innocent.
if he is not guilty, he did not do it. so surely that means he is innocent of doing it.
you get my meaning???

I get your meaning - and in the eyes of the law I accept you may very well be correct, but the test is beyond reasonable doubt. Reasonable doubt need only exist then for the crown case to come crashing down - he need not be innocent for reasonable doubt to exist.
He starts off presumed innocent. Not guaranteed innocent.

He may indeed still be guilty - just the crown was unable to prove him so.
Under such a circumstance how much effort and money would you like to see the Police put into a new investigation?

[Creeping Death]

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

Outstanding!I sniff Academy Awards here...may even out do that Peter Jackson fella...hell,he could even direct it and out do himself!:eek:

[oldrider]

Surely you jest.
Unless some new evidence comes to light they will simply let it lie?
As far as the cops are aware they have their man. They simply couldn't prove it beyond reasonable doubt.
Lets face it, he hasn't been found innocent has he?

No I do not jest but think about it, years of conflicting evidence and still no clear outcome "apparent" at the conclusion of the last trial!

The jury goes out until "Friday" some of the jurors blatantly biased toward Bain's innocence will never change their stance, "Hung Jury"?

Lets get out of here and home for the weekend, "NOT GUILTY", home free! (probably had a gutsfull by this time)

Some Jury members celebrate openly with Bain. :confused: (not ilegal but wise? The rest go home)

Justice Christchurch style, what a crock!

Blain may be free but there is no way he can claim "innocence"!

I have no axe to grind other than the fact that Five murders remain unsolved and accounted for and to me the Jury system in NZ is in tatters. :doh:

[The Stranger]

No I do not jest but think about it, years of conflicting evidence and still no clear outcome "apparent" at the conclusion of the last trial!

The jury goes out until "Friday" some of the jurors blatantly biased toward Bain's innocence will never change their stance, "Hung Jury"?

Lets get out of here and home for the weekend, "NOT GUILTY", home free! (probably had a gutsfull by this time)

Some Jury members celebrate openly with Bain. :confused: (not ilegal but wise? The rest go home)

Justice Christchurch style, what a crock!

Blain may be free but there is no way he can claim "innocence"!

I have no axe to grind other than the fact that Five murders remain unsolved and accounted for and to me the Jury system in NZ is in tatters. :doh:

Seriously, you would like the Police to continue with the investigation?
To what end? If the Police honestly believe David Bain did it, surely it would be pointless. If Robin Bain did it what would be gained?
As I understand it David Bain can't be tried again, so even if new evidence comes to light stiff shit.

Lets face it, with a test of beyond reasonable doubt, it stands to reason that there will be cases where it is impossible to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This is perhaps one such case. If so we need to accept that and get on with life.

[The Duck 01]

Seriously, you would like the Police to continue with the investigation?
To what end? If the Police honestly believe David Bain did it, surely it would be pointless. If Robin Bain did it what would be gained?
As I understand it David Bain can't be tried again, so even if new evidence comes to light stiff shit.

Lets face it, with a test of beyond reasonable doubt, it stands to reason that there will be cases where it is impossible to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This is perhaps one such case. If so we need to accept that and get on with life.

There might be someone lurking out there.

A wild card.

Extended family???
Who gave the police the say so to burn the house down??

More questions than answers. Still.

My dad always said. If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well.
The police might need to think about that.

[Maha]

Should at least get a cameo slot....

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[The Stranger]

My dad always said. If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing well.
The police might need to think about that.

Look, I agree with your dad, 100%.
But hey, if the evidence is just NOT there it can't be found. It's that simple.
It may very well be that they ONLY ones who can say for sure are all dead. What the hell can the police do? Would you have them plant evidence in order to get a conviction?

[YellowDog]

Same story been done many times over.

[candor]

and to me the Jury system in NZ is in tatters. :doh:

I second this. The jury was clearly swayed by nurturing emotions after a long PR campaign for the nice white boy - and should be court marshalled.

The evidence was damning, & could hardly be moreso, as was demonstrated in an extensive post on the other thread from which I learnt a lot. I don't think the cops screwed up - they had bundles of strong evidence. Sometimes its not enough to offset the stupid jury is unhinged by a moron factor though eg Rodney King, OJ.

I think maybe the brain drain and the average reading age of 12 in this country accounts for the ability of the most hypnotic legal team to win in NZ. It is time to be able to sack juries after 2 warnings (if only they could be monitored for illogicality or bias), and give the job to a computer that weights probabilities on the evidence - not on whether someone has a pretty innocent game face (Bain) despite evidence or makes a creepy impression (Watson) in absence of.

The psychopaths are the most charming, but those who aren't so disordered thats less so. Even psychiatrists can get conned by the angelic mask of a person without conscience - but they'll at least admit that possibility. It makes putting those defending charges before unskilled juries for weeks of con opportunity time a high risk strategy.

In cases like these one hopes those gloating jury members who doubtless said "I'll never ever in a million years find him guilty" have their arrogance challenged and learn a thing or 2, by encountering the handiwork of a psychopath in their own lives oneday. The arrogance of assuming they absolutely knew what happened - as shown by the celebratory spirit and warm attachment for Bain is astoundingly poor taste - proving beyond doubt much low intellect and lack of understanding of the gravity of the crimes and of their jury duty imo.

They had to know the evidence did not prove innocence, only that a reasonable doubt had been cast in one or more peabrain of 12 assigned the case. Which indisputably leaves the possibility Davo did it. But no... it seems they or some bullies dominating the jury are the experts and were there. May the ghosts of the victims haunt their sorry asses if... (thats a teensy "if" imo)
Not because of the verdict - obviously made in good faith despite the intellectual lack of rigor - but because they celebrated it when any fool but a true fool would have to know that it was just their best guess and fully liable to be in error.

[oldrider]

Seriously, you would like the Police to continue with the investigation?
To what end? If the Police honestly believe David Bain did it, surely it would be pointless. If Robin Bain did it what would be gained?
As I understand it David Bain can't be tried again, so even if new evidence comes to light stiff shit.

Lets face it, with a test of beyond reasonable doubt, it stands to reason that there will be cases where it is impossible to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. This is perhaps one such case. If so we need to accept that and get on with life.

Police continue with investigations?

Absolutely!

Police like rust, never sleep, it is their duty (24hours, 365 days/year) to continue until there is a "tangible conclusion"! (it's what they do!)

It doesn't matter "who" the final evidence identifies as the culprit!

David?
Robin?
Someone else with a motive who has not even yet been investigated!

Just as long as they are proved to be "guilty beyond all reasonable doubt" and only then can the case be closed!

I do not know if David can be tried again and I think that is actualy irrelevant.

It is not acceptable to just shrug the whole thing off as too hard and get on with life!

Five "innocent" people are dead and they deserve to have closure to the crime committed against them! :angry:

This is just my opinion of course and I respect your right to differ. :yes:

[ynot slow]

The coroner will probably open the case now the original person is not guilty,that could show up a different scenario,as at the time the coroner would've said the wounds were consistant with this shooting position,and not suicide,so now needs to rethink his findings,sumising here.

[Headbanger]

Outstanding!I sniff Academy Awards here...may even out do that Peter Jackson fella...hell,he could even direct it and out do himself!:eek:

Peter Jackson is a contender, If he comes on board its going to be called Baindead.

[Creeping Death]

Peter Jackson is a contender, If he comes on board its going to be called Baindead.

Bahahaha!There's an Academy award right there!:lol:

[tigertim20]

Alot of people are having a fit about some jury approaching Bain after the trial, what people do not realise, is that incidents of a Jury approaching the accused and embracing them post-verdict, is in fact a very common thing, especially in highly questionable cases like bains. Psychologists have documented and analysed it, essentially, when a jury has been convinced enough to make their vote and pass their verdict, they feel overcome with emotion, they begin to consider what the accused must have been through. Assume for one momment he didnt do it, well he would have been through one fuck of a journey eh?
And if you wonder where this info comes from, it comes from the senior lecturers of the Otago University Law Faculty. It is in fact a very common occurance.

Add to that, one or two jurors approaced Bain, not all, For him to have been declared NOT GUILTY, a unanimous decision was required, not just one or two, and that must be considered when complaining that a juror or two 'might have been biased'.

End of the day a court doesnt have a 'innocent' option to either the jury nor the judge. David has proved every bit as much as is practically, legally and physically possible that he is 'innocent' in the legal sense, it is not his job to discover and prove who 'actually' did it, his job was to defend himself.

My 2 cents worth.

And yeah would make an interesting movie for those outside NZ who arent fuckin sick of hearing about it.
Headbanger, lol wtFFFF? bling for creativity!

[Big Dan]

Wait for the 5 part mini series of sensing murder surely they might shed some light on this

[mctshirt]

please discuss i think it would
Please discuss why a guy losing his whole family in a tragic way should be turned into entertainment for you?

[oldrider]

It would make a better movie if they executed him at the court house directly after he was found guilty back in the day.

Then when the calls for a retrial grew loud they could have dug him up, reanimated his corpse and put him on trial again.

Then when found not guilty his dead father (Also re-animated) could storm in, Declare his son to be evil incarnate and kill him by setting him on fire and hacking his body apart with an axe, Dead fuckers are meant to stay dead after all.

Chuck in a grave yard sex scene with his sister and its all gravy.

Guaranteed to make millions.

God I am warming to your sugestion by the hour! :calm: