Accepting responsibility for your actions

[FROSTY]

Hey could i have feedback from the younger generation on this question please?

What has happened to taking personal responsibility ?
Id like to hear from the under 30's here

[Nasty]

Define younger generation ....

Then Personal responsbility ....

That will allow for less question interpretation.

[MSTRS]

Hey could i have feedback from the younger generation on this question please?
Hey...I'm (still) young...


What has happened to taking personal responsibility ?Cos I'm not THAT young, I'm not qualified to answer...

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm with Frosty on this one, I want to know where it has gone too.

-Indy

[FROSTY]

Heres a perfect example. A kid just rocks in here carrying his broken bike. "Hows it broken?". Ohh its a peice of junk it just broke.
ok so it was just standing there and broke? No
Ok so you were just riding it on the road as its desighned to be ridden? Yea!! so you weren't jumping it? NO
Ohh so howd it break?? --Its Junk!!
-Dude theres concrete scrape marks under it
Yea well its just cos its junk
Ok so the concrete isnt from those stairs over there
Yea but it broke cos its junk

[Nasty]

Ah right .. another lot of hypotheticals ... still

Define Young Define Personal responsbility ...

Don't use crappy examples ... provide definitions ...

[FROSTY]

Another example. A bunch of guys are walking down the road past an old house with a window. One guy tempted by who knows what throws a stone through the window. Turns out the window was actually being watched by the local cops. Minutes later the group is stopped and one guy is singled out as the stone thrower. Seems to me the right thing to do is to own up and face the concequences. Doesn't seem to be the case with todays youth. They are happy to leave it to their mates to hang for their crime

[sunhuntin]

depends on who you strike really.

my brother, who is almost 30, has no sense of personal responsibility [would YOU leave a bottle of alcohol flavouring in the front of a car within reach of a 3 year old? if yes, and the 3 year old opened it and it got spilled, who would you blame? yourself or the child?]
he was raised as though the sun shines out his backside. end result is through all his hell raising, he got no consequences [by rights, he should have had a jail term in his late teens for drugs] but the folks bailed him out of every little thing. end result is they are beyond broke [continuing the bail him and his kids out] and chances are both our inheritances will be almost nothing.
myself, i know full well when the blame is mine, and i generally step up to the plate. im 24 if that makes any difference. sure, ive fucked up a fair bit, but ive never been brought home by the cops, caused a major accident by drink or drugs which almost killed a few people or ended up in hospital having my stomach pumped.

its this kinda stuff that brings me back to the nature vs nurture argument. im fairly sure the majoirty of his faults come from his birth family, cos for the most part we were raised the same as kids. hes been fucked in the head his entire life. though his treatment during his teenage years can solely be blamed on the olds. i dread the day they are gone, cos i will be the one he comes to for money and other bail outs. wonder if i can divorce him and his offspring? got no intention of wasting my time. as it is, we dont speak and consider each other strangers when in town.

[The Stranger]

Define younger generation ....

Then Personal responsbility ....

That will allow for less question interpretation.

<30

Responsibility for your own deeds and actions or lack there of.

If people really have that much trouble with the concept heaven help us all!

[Spyke]

Your parents are liable for most things till your 18. It was the parents fault of course.

I think its the way society is now (everyone tries to hold no liability for anything), they are just replicating what they see happening all over the world. Tis sad and to think they are going to be running businesses when they're older :clap:

[Blackbird]

Frosty, I hear what you're saying mate (and why) but it's not limited in any shape or form to the younger generation. Last year, there was a TV news piece which was to do with young people's behaviours and some twat from one of the Labour-led quangos was there as large as life saying that schools had a responsibility to instill the correct behaviours.

WTF???? I was so angry that I didn't realise that I was shouting at the TV, bringing my wife in from the garden to see what was going on:mad:

Seems like some of the older generation need to do some accepting too. Trouble is, it gets institutionalised across generations and that takes some fixing.

[MSTRS]

If people really have that much trouble with the concept heaven help us all!

The thing is, if "you've" never learned personal responsibility, then how do you understand the concept?
Different story if "you" just don't care...

[popa griffin]

I happen to think.

If im doing something stupid and i get caught then thats fair.

If i get away with it, then thats awsome.


Like speeding. and shit like that.

[sunhuntin]

Your parents are liable for most things till your 18. It was the parents fault of course.


in my case, most of it was their fault. too scared of their own son to lay down the rules. too pathetic to prevent him getting so much power over them in the first place. sad when a 14 year old sees the truth more clearly that those much older. even today, its the same with his kids... spoilt rotten by my parents, mum especially and she is too blind to see thats where she went wrong the first time. only by pure luck that i didnt follow his path.

[Nasty]

<30

Responsibility for your own deeds and actions or lack there of.

If people really have that much trouble with the concept heaven help us all!

Allow for the perception that Mstrs tells us he is young .. .then tell me I am wrong to seek a definition ... allow for the fact that I am younger than the person who posed the question .. therefore I consider myself younger ....

The fact that you define it as <30 I would like to see the answers myself ... but I also believe that there are alot of older people who have no idea of it and I would love to see them own up to why they don't bother!

[MSTRS]

Nasty is right. Defining young, for this sort of exercise is all but impossible. I'm 51, I don't think I have a 'old' outlook - but I also can't qualify as young. See where I'm going?
Sometimes what we see as 'dodging personal responsibility' in teenagers is just teenagers doing what they've always done? I'm sure (in fact I know) that I scuttled out of the shit at times when I was a spotty teen, by simply refusing to accept etc...
The other way of looking at this is to realise that boys/girls mature at different rates, but if either is still trying to dodge etc at 25, then there's a major problem.

[The Stranger]

Allow for the perception that Mstrs tells us he is young .. .then tell me I am wrong to seek a definition ... allow for the fact that I am younger than the person who posed the question .. therefore I consider myself younger ....

The fact that you define it as <30 I would like to see the answers myself ... but I also believe that there are alot of older people who have no idea of it and I would love to see them own up to why they don't bother!

I'll let you into a secret - Mstrs (despite no doubt his protestations) is actually taking the piss. This means he is joking around, kidding or being sarcastic. Even he doesn't really believe that he is young. Now he may be young at heart, he may r e a l l y want to believe he is young but he is not. I'll give him middle aged at best.

Older people having no idea of personal responsibility is another thread sorry, this is Frosty's and he qualified it with younger generation. Please keep the thread on topic or I shall have to report you for taking off topic.

[Nasty]

I'll let you into a secret - Mstrs (despite no doubt his protestations) is actually taking the piss. This means he is joking around, kidding or being sarcastic. Even he doesn't really believe that he is young. Now he may be young at heart, he may r e a l l y want to believe he is young but he is not. I'll give him middle aged at best.

Older people having no idea of personal responsibility is another thread sorry, this is Frosty's and he qualified it with younger generation. Please keep the thread on topic or I shall have to report you for taking off topic.

Go ahead, seeking clarification .. is rather on topic.

[The Pastor]

I BLAME THE LACK OF GOOD ROLE MODLES.

I took the law and threw it away
Cause there's nothing wrong
It's just for play
Theres no law, no law anymore
I want to steal from the rich and
Give to the poor

Sha-la-la-la
Sha-la-la-la-la-la

[Hitcher]

What has happened to taking personal resposnsibility ?

Tony, Tony, Tony. I hope you're not looking for a sensible response?

[Hitcher]

I BLAME THE LACK OF GOOD ROLE MODLES.

I blame the education system.

[The Pastor]

i blame the education system.
fuck your rules

[FROSTY]

And thats it in a friggin nutshell innit? Blame -pass the buck but never ohh no NEVER actually man up and accept responsibility yourself for your actions.

[The Pastor]

and thats it in a friggin nutshell innit? Blame -pass the buck but never ohh no never actually man up and accept responsibility yourself for your actions.
never, it way cheaper if you dont

[FROSTY]

never, it way cheaper if you dont
Short term maybee but long term Nope it aint.
One of the people used as examples is walking to school tomorrow so hes got 12km of walking to realise nope taint cheaper to be honest.
The other example --well that might take longer but eventually if ya throw enuff stones ya gonna get caught. Especially if ya skite about getting away with throwing stones.

[The Pastor]

Youre telling me the kid who smashed his bike actually owned that bike? It wasnt his brothers/neighbours? Thats his problem right there.

[short-circuit]

Is this just an old farts gripe session?

1. It's a bit simplistic to stereotype an entire generation

2. If I was going to play the stereotyping game, I would make the observation that it seems to be sport for old farts (deliberately generalised) to lament the failings of the next generation coming through.

[The Pastor]

is this just an old farts gripe session?

1. It's a bit simplistic to stereotype an entire generation

2. If i was going to play the stereotyping game, i would make the observation that it seems to be sport for old farts (deliberately generalised) to lament the failings of the next generation coming through.
get out of kb with your common sence!

[Hitcher]

fuck your rules

I'm being a role model. Get over it.

[Hitcher]

Is this just an old farts gripe session?

1. It's a bit simplistic to stereotype an entire generation

How DARE you! Do you not understand irony?

[FROSTY]

Is this just an old farts gripe session?

2. If I was going to play the stereotyping game, I would make the observation that it seems to be sport for old farts (deliberately generalised) to lament the failings of the next generation coming through.
so can you give an answer to the question disproving the theory??

[short-circuit]

How DARE you! Do you not understand irony?

Deliberate as bro

[Mom]

Is this just an old farts gripe session?

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! I am older than you, ergo I am old fart?

Defining younger generation is not easy, sometimes there are huge shifts in societal thinking in just a few short years, nothing like a generation. What is that anyway? My kids are a different generation than me, this I can work out. But say I was a young teenaged Mother when I had my babies, the generation gap between me and my kids then would be a lot less than it is currently.

I kind of understand where FROSTY is coming from, but I dont actually think it has anything to do with age. For example, I know, and call my self friend to lots of really amazingly neet people, that are young enough to be my children, as I know others old enough to be well not my parents but close. We share a values set.

Personal responsibility is not about age, it is about culture. By culture I am not talking about your race either btw, I am talking about the culture you were raised in, what defined your own values set.

I have a headache now and need a little lie down, all this deep thinking has exhausted me :eek:

[short-circuit]

so can you give an answer to the question disproving the theory??

It's a matter of finding in people what you expect to see - I can't really help you with that on KB but if you'd like to see me on a professional basis I work on a sliding scale from $120 - $70 depending on your circumstances

[short-circuit]

I am old fart?

Only if you are blowing hot stale air

[The Pastor]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah! I am older than you, ergo i am old fart?

Defining younger generation is not easy, sometimes there are huge shifts in societal thinking in just a few short years, nothing like a generation. What is that anyway? My kids are a different generation than me, this i can work out. But say i was a young teenaged mother when i had my babies, the generation gap between me and my kids then would be a lot less than it is currently.

I kind of understand where frosty is coming from, but i dont actually think it has anything to do with age. For example, i know, and call my self friend to lots of really amazingly neet people, that are young enough to be my children, as i know others old enough to be well not my parents but close. We share a values set.

Personal responsibility is not about age, it is about culture. By culture i am not talking about your race either btw, i am talking about the culture you were raised in, what defined your own values set.

I have a headache now and need a little lie down, all this deep thinking has exhausted me :eek:
thats why women shouldnt think, bad things happen

[FROSTY]

It's a matter of finding in people what you expect to see -
I guess that is it in a nutshell ol bean. Ya see I expect people to be honest,I expect them to accept responsibility for their actions and yes I find it hugely dissapointing when they don't do so.
In that yes Im old fashioned and make no apologies for being that way.

[MattRSK]

I can't see where this thread is heading.

It's pretty easy to focus on the bad but seriously are you saying the generation of today is worse than any previous generation?

[jono035]

I'd guess that it is more a difference-in-perspective thing really, with the younger generation always seeming worse. In some cases you are encouraged to not take responsibility for various things (vehicle accidents etc.) though...

[1vanvan1]

Thats a major generalisation!

I worry about you "OLDER" generation sometimes.

Prime example - I have worked at a swimming pool complex as a lifeguard for a while, And the amount of parents that come in with their kids ranging from 1 - 8 years old and not even pay attention to what their kid is doing is atrocious! The rules at public swimming pools is if your kid is under 5 you MUST be within arms reach, if they are under 8 they MUST be actively supervised. You older people come in dump your kids in the water and go off and have a conversation with your friend or another random parent who is not watching their kid. The amount of times I have seen a toddler fall face first in the water, Struggle, Then grabbed by the lifeguard or a parent actually doing there job is to many to count. I have approached several parents about this and the response I always got was - "Thats what lifeguards are for" GET FUCKED! I feel like telling them. There is another 100 or so kids swimming. I am not being paid to watch YOUR kid. And if something was to happen to their kid, They wouldn't take responsibility. It would be on my head as i am supervisor. We had a couple of near misses and WE were blamed because of the PARENTS being morons and not watching their kids. And a decent amount of them were Polynesians.

This is only 1 example - And once again. Is a major generalisation. Majority of parents are alright. Just like Kids. It is the minority of teens who have no personal responsibilty.

This is the same as Asians are shit drivers. Just a big sterotype.

[Naki Rat]

......but seriously are you saying the generation of today is worse than any previous generation?

It's looking that way, and the impression on the 'computer gaming' generation in that they are increasingly living a virtual life where mistakes can apparently be corrected by rebooting/game restart is creeping into the way they live their real life.

Don't like the way the conversation is heading. Easily solved, disconnect and block access to that ex-friend. That's why texting is preferred to talking - far easier to disassociate from a virtual connection.


......I think its the way society is now (everyone tries to hold no liability for anything), they are just replicating what they see happening all over the world. Tis sad and to think they are going to be running businesses when they're older :clap:

Not so much running businesses as running the country. That's really scarey!!

[Nasty]

I love how we tar an entire generation with the say-so of one or two people ... why don't we just stone the lot of them and say that we are better without them.

[SixPackBack]

I love how we tar an entire generation with the say-so of one or two people ... why don't we just stone the lot of them and say that we are better without them.

Fooken good idea...bash 'em all and throw 'em in Noel's pool:devil2:

[Naki Rat]

I love how we tar an entire generation with the say-so of one or two people ... why don't we just stone the lot of them and say that we are better without them.

Hardly one or two people. Examples are a daily occurence in the workplace, clients, customer service, attitudes to all manner of subjects on this and other forums......

Better without them?? No way! Their bad attitude makes my work ethic positively shine :sunny:

[MattRSK]

What a great attitude.

[MattRSK]

At least I didn't fuck the planet!

[Naki Rat]

At least I didn't fuck the planet!

So you live in a cave and scrub yourself with a rock?

[MattRSK]

I sure do!

[The Stranger]

The thing is, if "you've" never learned personal responsibility, then how do you understand the concept?
Different story if "you" just don't care...


So is it an acceptabe excuse that no one told you murder is wrong, or theft is wrong etc?
Isn't this a lot of how PC works?
It's not his fault that he beats his wife, it's not his fault that he rapes women or muders pizza delivery guys.
After all these poor sods just never learned this shit was bad.

[smoky]

As we get older I think our 'field of view' narrows;

We only see what we are exposed to, I have a whole bunch of teenage nephews and nieces (13), some working, some doing polytech courses, and a few still at secondary school.
They are all good kids, and responsibility is a strong point with them, and with most of their mates.

In some respects they take their personal responsibility more seriously than most people in my age group, most of them don't smoke, they always have a designated driver (in fact they will take adults to task if they drive after a few drinks), seat belts don't get forgotten about, and generally behave themselves around town, they respect the environment more than our generation, they are generally better educated.

yes they push the boundarys at time, yes they make some mistakes, yes they can be cheeky at times, and often say silly things without thinking.
But on the whole I think the modern generation may have a lot more things sorted then the generation I grew up in.

[short-circuit]

At least I didn't fuck the planet!

On a related note. Take a look at the politics of the late 80s and 90s with the focus on me, myself and I

What mummy and daddy now reap came from what they sowed

[short-circuit]

As we get older I think our 'field of view' narrows;

We only see what we are exposed to, I have a whole bunch of teenage nephews and nieces (13), some working, some doing polytech courses, and a few still at secondary school.
They are all good kids, and responsibility is a strong point with them, and with most of their mates.

In some respects they take their personal responsibility more seriously than most people in my age group, most of them don't smoke, they always have a designated driver (in fact they will take adults to task if they drive after a few drinks), seat belts don't get forgotten about, and generally behave themselves around town, they respect the environment more than our generation, they are generally better educated.

yes they push the boundarys at time, yes they make some mistakes, yes they can be cheeky at times, and often say silly things without thinking.
But on the whole I think the modern generation may have a lot more things sorted then the generation I grew up in.

Absolutely

[short-circuit]

As we get older I think our 'field of view' narrows

For some more than others evidently

[Sparrowhawk]

Personal responsibility is not about age, it is about culture. By culture I am not talking about your race either btw, I am talking about the culture you were raised in, what defined your own values set.



Agreed. In my old line of work (banking), I saw this all the time. For example, people blame finance companies for approving their HP's & Loans "If I couldn't afford it, they shouldn't have given it to me". No, YOU should count the cost yourself before you sign the contract. Once again, this wasn't specific to any race, however it was more noticable in certain cultures.

Another one was when a council would send the rates demand to the bank that had the mortgage. The bank would pay the rates from the customer's account. Then the client would get upset at the bank. No, it's YOUR job to make sure your rates are paid. If they're more than 12 months overdue, it's an issue.

This was almost always people that were 30+

That's feedback from the younger generation for you. It's not just us you old farts!! :)

[MattRSK]

As we get older I think our 'field of view' narrows;

We only see what we are exposed to, I have a whole bunch of teenage nephews and nieces (13), some working, some doing polytech courses, and a few still at secondary school.
They are all good kids, and responsibility is a strong point with them, and with most of their mates.

In some respects they take their personal responsibility more seriously than most people in my age group, most of them don't smoke, they always have a designated driver (in fact they will take adults to task if they drive after a few drinks), seat belts don't get forgotten about, and generally behave themselves around town, they respect the environment more than our generation, they are generally better educated.

yes they push the boundarys at time, yes they make some mistakes, yes they can be cheeky at times, and often say silly things without thinking.
But on the whole I think the modern generation may have a lot more things sorted then the generation I grew up in.

Thanks! Well put.

[Naki Rat]

In a similar vein...

[wbks]

Popa griffin pretty much sums it up for me. I won't complain or act hard done by if I'm caught in the wrong, but I'm not going out of my way to own up for something I don't see as serious.

[Naki Rat]

Popa griffin pretty much sums it up for me. I won't complain or act hard done by if I'm caught in the wrong, but I'm not going out of my way to own up for something I don't see as serious.

One problem would seem to be what any given individual regards as 'serious'.

Edit: One moment you are at Canterbury Uni (lat/long), the next you are in Middle Earth what gives?

[Genestho]

Haven't read the whole thread, sorry if I've reposted!


We've all been teenagers! Right?

Didn't your parents ever say "Oh what is the youth of today coming to!!?"

Looking back to my youth, the world and its opportunities, were our oyster, the responsibilities were so basic and so minute.

The concept of consequence is not fully known until there is life experiences had.

It's not until you "age" (like a fine wine!) and have things you take seriously (Mortgage, Family, Business, Careers, Credit) to loose, that you truly grasp responsibility and consequence.

For some that's just too late!

However I do believe, taking responsibility is totally irrespective of age.

Even grownups with morals and ethics will take risks, or wriggle out of responsibility from dire consequences if given half the chance!!!!

And they do, we see it alllll the time - somewhere along the line we have created a society where it's acceptable to pass the buck.

I'm sure it was not always this way!

And no, it's not upto teachers to teach our kids morals!

They're there to do a job, which is to educate our kids so they have the skills to take on the world, our job as parents - is to give them the rest!

[cowboyz]

Hey...I'm (still) young...



Is this a thread dredge from 1978 (the last time MSTRS was young)

[Mully]

I think Frosty (I'm 28 BTW) that it depends on how you were raised.

Also, I left home at 16 (loooong story) and I've had to support myself and earn what I've got the hard way. I tend to look after my stuff for that reason.

Too many people (my age and younger) think the world/parents owe them a living.

[Hitcher]

Didn't your parents ever say "Oh what is the youth of today coming to!!?"

My parents would have said "What ARE the youth of today coming to?"

[Mom]

My parents would have said "What ARE the youth of today coming to?"

My mother (the only parent I have left) says that to me all the time :pinch:

[Genestho]

My parents would have said "What ARE the youth of today coming to?"
:buggerd:

5, 4, 3, 2, 1

I accept that, Mr H

[cowboyz]

our job as parents - is to give them the rest!

fuck that. let someone else do it.

[wbks]

One problem would seem to be what any given individual regards as 'serious'.

Edit: One moment you are at Canterbury Uni (lat/long), the next you are in Middle Earth what gives?Well I guess that would be what makes you either an Asshole, or one of those "Just boy's being boys" people. Not sure wtf your canturbury thing is about (never said I lived in canturbury), but I set my location as middle earth to go with the name the name someone gave me "because you're shorter than my sister!" - Frodo:banana:

[Ixion]

Hey could i have feedback from the younger generation on this question please?

What has happened to taking personal responsibility ?
Id like to hear from the under 30's here

I ain't no younger generation. About as far from it as can be. But I do know some. And I'd be happy to front up and say that personal responsibility is as alive and well in the "younger generation" (whatever that means) as it ever was in my own youff.

There's some in every generation that are a waste of space. But I'd say there's fewer in the current under 25s than in any previous time.

The more I see of those young people , the more impressed I am. They give me some optimism that there is a future for the human race. Indeed so much so that sometimes I even consider rejoining it.

Go along to the SMC Friday chiller. Meet the younger generation. I reckon you'll be impressed. If the dudes (and dudesses) there are the face of the future, I'd say it's in good hands.

Old people, now - I hate old people. Always complaining.

[scumdog]

I can't see where this thread is heading.

It's pretty easy to focus on the bad but seriously are you saying the generation of today is worse than any previous generation?

I dunno - but I for one constantly see/hear younger ones passing the buck in ways I never saw when I was young.

"Aw, it's THEIR bloody fault I'm getting this ticket for carrying passengers - they know I've only got a restricted licence so they shouldn't have got into my car" (true example)

[peasea]

My two teenage daughters accept responsibility for their actions, it's been part of their life since day one. They can't understand a lot of their mates' behaviour at times, do not get into the boy/girl racer thing even though they grew up around cars/bikes/ performance and partying.

That's not to say they don't cut loose from time to time but they pick their moments and their company well.

Lord only knows where they get it from; consistent, loving parenting perhaps? It's not easy to keep youngsters on the right track these days but it IS possible. My two aren't perfect (mainly coz their dad isn't I suppose) however, I come from a large family and criticism of those two girls from open and frank family members is a rare thing indeed. I'm proud of that.

If you find any particular youngsters are dorks, have a look at their parents, you might find some similarities.

[idb]

Young people frighten me.

[MattRSK]

I dunno - but I for one constantly see/hear younger ones passing the buck in ways I never saw when I was young.

"Aw, it's THEIR bloody fault I'm getting this ticket for carrying passengers - they know I've only got a restricted licence so they shouldn't have got into my car" (true example)

Yeah well I guess in your work you see all the bad side of things!

[ManDownUnder]

I wonder if the increase in Political Correctness has anything to do with the drop in personal responsibility?

Poor wee Timmy has expressing himself so he gets a nngry and threw stones at the cars. In days of old the local cop would have kicked Timmy in the arse there and then on the spot.

Today... step one, gather evidence... step 25 family group conference... step 39 have Timmy confirm how he feels about the victim impact statement.... etc

FFS... punishment needs to be associated with the crime. Weasel words are too effective these days. There's too much omeny to be saved (or earned) but pushing to find the slimmest of excuses to get off something when it's pretty obvious they're responsible for 99.5% of what happened.

The day I turned 16 Mum sat me down and made me the promise that if I ever ended up in prison - she would come and visit... my kids all know I'll be right there by there side at the cop shop if they do something illegal... simply because I'll be the one that drove them there.

Part of parenting is teaching right from wrong... and enforcing the consequences.

[Ixion]

Young people frighten me.
Fair enough. Old people frighten me. I keep thinking "Shit, d'y' suppose that one day, in the far distant future, I might end up like that"


(in this context, "old people" = people over about 40.)

[scumdog]

Young people frighten me.

Having just seen the ones in your part of NZ I'm not surpriseds

[ManDownUnder]

Fair enough. Old people frighten me. I keep thinking "Shit, d'y' suppose that one day, in the far distant future, I might end up like that"


Contankerous, picky, and argumentative??? Ix... you'll never end up like that.

[Ixion]

Contankerous, picky, and argumentative??? Ix... you'll never end up like that.

But I was ALWAYS cantankerous picky and argumentative. I was born that way.

Seriously - remember that lovely Cavalier poet :

"Two men look out through the same prison bars
One sees the mud, the other the stars"

Youff sees (mostly) the stars . Age sees (mostly) the mud. I prefer those who see the stars. (And one day , we'll bloody get there,too. They promised us) .

Perhaps the reason some think that young people shun personal responsibility is that society loads so much onto them at so young an age? Youff today is expected to take up a far greater burden than my generation was at their age. I wonder sometimes how their shoulders bear up to it.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

FWIW I don't think you can label an entire generation. I work as a Case Manager for Work & Income. Everyday I get people telling me their problems, obviously we don't see them if things are going ok. Yes there are kids 16 - 18 coming in with major problems, but I see National Super clients who equally come in, saying that their problems are of the govt's making, or the churches, or their social worker, in fact anyone but themselves.
One comment I would make is that manners can be conspiciously absent from
the 'younger generation' :(

[Ixion]

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One comment I would make is that manners can be conspiciously absent from
the 'younger generation' :(


I disagree with that also. *Different* manners, perhaps, but by and large I think that youff (the under 25s anyway) are very WELL mannered and polite. Perhaps some of the formal graces are missing, but those are evolving things. By the standards of the 18th century we are all totally unmannered.

[mynameis]

There are a lot of under 30 year olds in this thread explaining :lol:

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Perhaps so, however please and thank you should be the bottom line. I guess it's treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. You win more friends with honey.........

[Ixion]

Perhaps because they have nothing to explain?

[Rayray401]

bah..just the society nowadays i reckon..(im 18)..people who are brought up with more discipline, respect would be more responsible..just how youre brought up really..i mean..20 years ago..it would have been the teachers voicing the education system..now its all about students..whether or not theyre treated right..are they getting enough freedom..are they getting respected by the teachers etc...and teachers in return gets all the shit when the shit hits the fan

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Ixion, if they are asking me ( theoretically ) to justify advancing them $1000 + for rent arrears the yes I am wanting an explanation for those arrears. I ask the question and 50% of the time I get a ' Dunno mate. Musta spent the money on something else' The thing that bugs me is sometimes these people have kids. I don't have a problem with people's choices, but when you have kids the choices effect more than just you. Anyway, Rant over.

[Ixion]

Fair enough. But, perhaps, working at WINZ, you do not meet an entirely representative cross section of young people (or old people for that matter) ?

I certainly would not claim that the whole of the segment of society that we label "the younger generation" (buggered if I really know what it means, people call ME a crazy young idiot!) are beyond reproach. But compared to what my peers were at the same age , taking all in all, I think they have little to apologise for.

Read Barry Crump if you want to see a representation of a much earlier generation and irresponsibility.

[cowboyz]

I wonder if the increase in Political Correctness has anything to do with the drop in personal responsibility?
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Without a doubt.

[SARGE]

i personally think the state of things started going downhill when the government and child psychologists stuck their faces in and told us we cant correct the little shits ..

my son(13 at the time) started getting into trouble at school (not little things.. hanging out with douchebags .. smoking, drinking..generally being an asshole.. etc) and he told me that if i laid a finger on him he would report me to the police.

now .. back in the olden days.. when i did similar .. my old man would flail the skin off my ass with a leather belt ( or a hickory switch, extension cord, etc)

the little ratbags know we as parents cant discipline them ,... they know the cops cant do anything to them below a certain age and they push the limits


bottom line .. barring outright abuse.. your laws stop at MY front door.. im NOT advocating child abuse but we as parents must be able to discipline our kids .. fuck your anti-smacking laws... they cost me my son

[awayatc]

sarge is on to it.....
You reap what you sow...
a lot of kids grow up ok..
some don't, and as a parent you can only do your best.
Parents have been made powerless and toothless (just like teachers and police...) when things go wrong.
How can parents be held responsible when the state decides how to bring kids up?

[short-circuit]

i personally think the state of things started going downhill when the government and child psychologists stuck their faces in and told us we cant correct the little shits ..

my son(13 at the time) started getting into trouble at school (not little things.. hanging out with douchebags .. smoking, drinking..generally being an asshole.. etc) and he told me that if i laid a finger on him he would report me to the police.

now .. back in the olden days.. when i did similar .. my old man would flail the skin off my ass with a leather belt ( or a hickory switch, extension cord, etc)

the little ratbags know we as parents cant discipline them ,... they know the cops cant do anything to them below a certain age and they push the limits


bottom line .. barring outright abuse.. your laws stop at MY front door.. im NOT advocating child abuse but we as parents must be able to discipline our kids .. fuck your anti-smacking laws... they cost me my son

Sound like your problems with your son started long before legislation designed to stop physical abuse.

Personal responsibility is not learned through physical "discipline". The fear of "consequences" is a seperate issue

[Indiana_Jones]

my son(13 at the time) started getting into trouble at school (not little things.. hanging out with douchebags .. smoking, drinking..generally being an asshole.. etc) and he told me that if i laid a finger on him he would report me to the police.



Use a yellow pages. It won't leave a mark and it'll let him know who's boss.

-Indy

[James Deuce]

The fear of "consequences" is a seperate issue

It isn't. It's intrinically linked. The inability to accept personal responsibility is linked to a lack of consequence. The breadth of understanding in relation to "consequence" should evolve as one gets older.

Sarge's point is that there is a strong message from agencies outside the home that your parents do not deserve respect and that authority figures are your friend. You should have a healthy fear of authority figures (yes, you are allowed to start questioning their authority in late adolescence - it's how things "work") and be respectful to your parents. None of these groups need to "like" each other.

Society, in the broader sense, is founded on the principle of learning and accepting boundaries. I invest a lot of time in establishing and maintaining boundaries for my kids. Educational facilities spend a lot of time undoing them.

[Naki Rat]

It isn't. It's intrinically linked. The inability to accept personal responsibility is linked to a lack of consequence. The breadth of understanding in relation to "consequence" should evolve as one gets older.

Sarge's point is that there is a strong message from agencies outside the home that your parents do not deserve respect and that authority figures are your friend. You should have a healthy fear of authority figures (yes, you are allowed to start questioning their authority in late adolescence - it's how things "work") and be respectful to your parents. None of these groups need to "like" each other.

Society, in the broader sense, is founded on the principle of learning and accepting boundaries. I invest a lot of time in establishing and maintaining boundaries for my kids. Educational facilities spend a lot of time undoing them.

The big problem is that political correctness largely does away with consequences.
Deja vu from the ChCh boy racer thread....?


This issue has got everything to do with lack of parental and school control of kids. How many of these disorderly and vandalistic hoons would have adopted a better outlook on life if a few well meaning slaps had been applied many years ago?

The problem is that those undisciplined kids are now playing a dangerous game of cat and mouse with the authorities in order to find the limits on their behaviour that weren't set when they should have been. This is what you get for allowing the state to run your lives.

The missed smack on the arse as a child ends up being replaced by far greater harm meted out by a frustrated vigilante :ar15:

Me thinks it's a hell of a lot easier and safer for kids to learn sooner :spanking: rather than later :bash::ar15:

[Naki Rat]

At least I didn't fuck the planet!


So you live in a cave and scrub yourself with a rock?


I sure do!


I want this. I don't want to wait. Organize it please.



Pretty flash rock you're covetting :whistle:

[oldrider]

Being personally responsible in New Zealand! "Take a pill or change the channel". :mellow:

[MSTRS]

I'll let you into a secret - Mstrs ... I'll give him middle aged at best.

Gutted, mate. Gutted.:crybaby:


Personal responsibility is not learned through physical "discipline". The fear of "consequences" is a seperate issueYou are wrong.
As long as there are consequences that are feared (read as 'respected'?), then the 'desired' behaviour/s are learned. Usually. There will always be exceptions. Although it is difficult to tell whether someone 'never learned...' or simply doesn't care.

[MSTRS]

When the young are to be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general. (Socrates)

What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them? (Plato)


I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

[James Deuce]

Although it is difficult to tell whether someone 'never learned...' or simply doesn't care.

It's always fun watching the "don't cares" morph into the world's most intensely fascist parent ever.

[Genestho]

When the young are to be silent before their elders; how they are to show respect to them by standing and making them sit; what honour is due to parents; what garments or shoes are to be worn; the mode of dressing the hair; deportment and manners in general. (Socrates)

What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them? (Plato)


I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint (Hesiod, 8th century BC).

Must spread before blinging again!!!!!:2thumbsup

[short-circuit]

Good luck to those of you trying to use force to force responsibility/respect into the young people in your lives.


As far as young people having a monoply on irresponsible behaviour (if this were a generational characteristic), they (we) have in their (our) favour the opportunity to learn and change. This discussion essentially boils down to psychological maturity and psychosocial development.

On a related point, the process of maturing is not aided by force but is instead stunted - this merely creates fear, distrust, confusion, resentment and an orientation towards external control (as opposed to internal control which is the goal - taking responsibility for self).

Cue the argument suggesting the need for "firm boundaries" requiring the exertion of authority/power/force etc.....

[yungatart]

Some young people are great at accepting personal responsibility, some are not.
Just as, some older people are great at accepting personal responsibility...and some are not.

I don't think it is a generational issue, at all.

[short-circuit]

I don't think it is a generational issue, at all.

Neither do I.

[Shaun S]

And thats it in a friggin nutshell innit? Blame -pass the buck but never ohh no NEVER actually man up and accept responsibility yourself for your actions.So much easier said than done. Looking in the mirror is not the easiest, most people find it real easy to point the finger and indicate where the other has gone wrong or where and when they have done wrong.

Every story has 2 sides, and as much as you feel you are correct from your side - the other usually feels they are from theirs! What you see as "manning up" may look like utter bullshit on the other side of the fence.

I am of course not implying that either is right or wrong - but that people should take the time to stand in the others shoes and undertsand where they are coming from before they point the finger?

[Indiana_Jones]

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-Indy

[Mikkel]

How DARE you! Do you not understand irony?

You're getting rusty?


Some young people are great at accepting personal responsibility, some are not.
Just as, some older people are great at accepting personal responsibility...and some are not.

I don't think it is a generational issue, at all.

If anything, with age you'll just get a better grip on what you can get away with and what you can't... Honing your responsibility dodging skills over the years.

If you grow up surrounded by people who act responsibly, are fair in their dealings with and respectful of their fellow beings you are likely to inherit some of these attributes.
On the other hand, if you grow up with a forced expectation of respecting your elders (five-across-the-eyes if you don't) while they behave in a way unworthy of respect I'd say chances are you're going to turn out badly.

[Mschvs]

Half the time it's because the 'younger' generation have never had to earn that particular thing ... such as their bike. They get given it, or bought it, and hence don't really care if they thrash the sh*t out of it. Because either Mummy and Daddy will buy them a new one, or when they hit 18 their trust fund will come through.

Learning this from the start with anything they are given of any value, sentimental or monetary, means that they just don't care as there are no consequences of destroying it ... until they hurt themselves or someone else in the process.

I know it's a bit of a generalisation, but I grew up on the North Shore of Auckland and saw many of my friends and acquaintences with well off parents, buy them cars or bikes that they couldn't handle, (being 16yo and on your learners with a WRX when you have never driven before is out of your league!) and then repeatedly damaged or wrote them off until the unlucky (inevitable) day that some of them wrote themselves or some of their friends off ... not a pretty lesson!

[MSTRS]

On the other hand, if you grow up with a forced expectation of respecting your elders (five-across-the-eyes if you don't) while they behave in a way unworthy of respect I'd say chances are you're going to turn out badly.

Most definitely.
Role Model is where it's at. Coupled with appropriate correction for stepping beyond the boundaries. Getting the balance right is the trick.

[R6_kid]

Being part of the 'younger generation' I actually have the same view on this topic.

I see a lot of people doing dumb shit and not taking responisibility, or worst still, acknowledging that they did wrong and then proceeding to do the same thing again as if they had never done it the first time.

Some people honestly believe that is just the way of the world and that 'shit happens' - I hope that no one gives them sympathy when 'shit happens' to them, especially if they don't take accountability for their actions.

[Rodney007]

wrong post sry

[Metalor]

Id like to hear from the under 30's here

Sorry mate, not my responsibility. Talk to my parents if you want. I want no part in it.

[SARGE]

Some young people are great at accepting personal responsibility, some are not.
Just as, some older people are great at accepting personal responsibility...and some are not.

I don't think it is a generational issue, at all.

Its defiantly a generational issue ..our parents didnt have to deal with the things WE do .. its easier now to just sit the little monsters down in front of the TV or computer than to actually PARENT them..


i had boundaries.. very strict boundaries when i was younger .. and when i stepped over them my dad would knock me the fuck back to the right side ..

the upbringing i had was rough, yes .. but it has saved my life ( literally) on more than one occasion ..

do the younger generation have any concept of Right and Wrong anymore?.. is there any respect left? .. there is a freaking Syndrome for everything .. the " my mommy never breast fed me" or "my Daddy never showed me how to ride a bike" or "everyone made fun of me and called me names" syndrome ...


fuck up .. grow a pair and quit whining

im worried about the world to be honest .. 10 billion people where 1/2 of them have the gang mentality.. 5 billion more have zero social skills and the rest could give a fuck either way


im glad i have guns

[elevenhundred]

If the problem is with the youth of today why is this a topic that has been complained about for decades??

[ManDownUnder]

If the problem is with the youth of today why is this a topic that has been complained about for decades??

... because tomorrow never comes?

[ManDownUnder]

I all has to come back to the basics... you do the crime, you do the time.

WHY you do the crime - that's to be address by society at large if it affects society at large, if not, it's over to the person.

I hear prison can be a bad place if Bubba runs out of lube...

[Brian d marge]

Im busy trying to avoid responsibility , every time it goes pear shaped Im responsible ....

Just been to the court here in Japan, for speeding, 37 km over in a 60 and the fine is , 1 month loss of licence ( instant ), Points in the danger range, and a Max fine of 100 000 yen ( 1682.00 dollars, it will be around 70 000 ( 900)

Ive got 1 month to learn a speech ( in Japanese ) for the Judge, and when the court date is set, from that date I cannot drive, untill sentencing ( about a month.

Today was a preliminary hearing

I am :buggerd:

Stephen

[Spyke]

Youff today is expected to take up a far greater burden than my generation was at their age. I wonder sometimes how their shoulders bear up to it.

LOL, we don't you should see all of us slouching around the place!

[DEATH_INC.]

Things have definitely changed, there were lines we knew not to cross, and we knew if we did there were consequences. Those lines are crossed freely now.
I don't blame the younglings though, I believe the responsibility for that goes to the modern parent. All this stupid pc shit about no corporal punishment and stuff. How the hell do you expect some one to learn if you cannot teach them where the boundaries are???? Or when you teach them the only consequence is sitting in the corner for 5 mins???
One day when our society is lying in ruins (should be in a few days time the way things are going...) those people will probably sit back and blame the government for it, because THEY let it happen, and it's not MY fault.
All animals use force (physical punishment) to teach, we are no different, it's nature. Accept it.

[scumdog]

Im busy trying to avoid responsibility , every time it goes pear shaped Im responsible ....

Just been to the court here in Japan, for speeding, 37 km over in a 60 and the fine is , 1 month loss of licence ( instant ), Points in the danger range, and a Max fine of 100 000 yen ( 1682.00 dollars, it will be around 70 000 ( 900)

Ive got 1 month to learn a speech ( in Japanese ) for the Judge, and when the court date is set, from that date I cannot drive, untill sentencing ( about a month.

Today was a preliminary hearing

I am :buggerd:

Stephen

How can this be?

According to KB it is NZ that has the most extreme penalties for the most draconian rules and the most over-zealous unforgiving traffic nazis enforcing said rules....

[Brian d marge]

How can this be?

According to KB it is NZ that has the most extreme penalties for the most draconian rules and the most over-zealous unforgiving traffic nazis enforcing said rules....

but they gave they youngest a key ring ,,,, nice man

Stephen

[FROSTY]

Ya know Im not doing the bible bashing thing. But even the bible that preaches love your brother you see reccomendation for corperal punishment for kids.
NOT beat the living shit but teaching cause and effect.
That entire structure has been removed from our society.
First it was parents, then teachers then the police.

I for one REFUSE to buy into that.
Yea im a mean bastard for making my son walk 6km to school but I bet ya he wont fuck his bike again.

[ManDownUnder]

According to KB it is NZ that has the most extreme penalties for the most draconian rules and the most over-zealous unforgiving traffic nazis enforcing said rules....

JB obviously claims all those thimngs too...

[ManDownUnder]

All animals use force (physical punishment) to teach, we are no different, it's nature. Accept it.

... and for me that... right there... is a the very essence of it. We (society) denies the obvious. We think we are somehow different from other animals in terms of our drives, wants, needs and in this case how we learn.

Pain is a most wonderful teacher. I honestly can't think of a better one. Just a week ago my little boy learned what an electric fence looks like. He knew already, but didn't see it as important enough to keep in mind...

... but he does now!.

A smack on the bum works. Pure and simple.

[short-circuit]

Cue the argument suggesting the need for "firm boundaries" requiring the exertion of authority/power/force etc.....

How predictable that we've ended up here again

[ManDownUnder]

How predictable that we've ended up here again

I KNOW... bloody common sense coming out... again!!!!!!!!!!!

[MSTRS]

It's the old story...entire generations can end up as a social experiment (failed) because some self-proclaimed expert says 'Do this...'
How long did it take for Dr Spock to be discredited?

[James Deuce]

How long did it take for Dr Spock to be discredited?

The third movie sucked.

[idb]

The third movie sucked.

...and who took the responsibility for that!!!!

[HenryDorsetCase]

The third movie sucked.

the rule with TOS Original cast films is "odd numbers suck, even numbers good to excellent"

Star Trek 1: too much baggage, terrible script, and much confusion.

ST2: WOK: IMO the best film.

ST3:SFS: WTF? they killed spock? and now Len wants to come back. shit?! how do we do that

ST4:TVH ST comedy. funny (oooh look theyve gone back to the 20th century and they've sent the russian dude to collect the mcguffin from the nuclear powered aircraft carrier (CVN-65: USS Enterprise ) How ironic and funny.

ST5: terrible film by any standard. Bill directed. Spock has a half brother: who knew!

ST6: Undiscovered Country. Very good. Peace with the Klingons? Arent the crew looking old? Drama!

ST7: We need to get those TNG people aboard, somehow: I know, lets get Malcolm McDowell!

ST8: even I can't remember this one.

ST9: First Contact. I liked this one.

ST10: Nemesis: So Riker gets the big chair then wrecks the ship, but he marries Deanna. She still has a great rack.

New Star Trek movie: RULES, with violence. Go see it on the big screen. It is worthy.



Not that I am a star trek geek or anything.

HTH

[yungatart]

Its defiantly a generational issue ..our parents didnt have to deal with the things WE do .. its easier now to just sit the little monsters down in front of the TV or computer than to actually PARENT them..


i had boundaries.. very strict boundaries when i was younger .. and when i stepped over them my dad would knock me the fuck back to the right side ..

the upbringing i had was rough, yes .. but it has saved my life ( literally) on more than one occasion ..

do the younger generation have any concept of Right and Wrong anymore?.. is there any respect left? .. there is a freaking Syndrome for everything .. the " my mommy never breast fed me" or "my Daddy never showed me how to ride a bike" or "everyone made fun of me and called me names" syndrome ...


fuck up .. grow a pair and quit whining

im worried about the world to be honest .. 10 billion people where 1/2 of them have the gang mentality.. 5 billion more have zero social skills and the rest could give a fuck either way


im glad i have guns

It is NOT a generational issue!
My background...aged in my 50's, one of seven kids, have brought up 6 of my own (aged 18-34), and I work in a high school with a roll of approx 1000 students.
Most of the kids of today are no worse than the kids of the previous generation, or any other generation preceding that. Most of the kids that I deal with on a daily basis are polite, responsible, caring young people. They stick up for each other, they defend (vigorously, at times) their rights AND those of others. Most of them take responsibility for their actions most of the time.
They are an awesome bunch of young people, and I am proud to be associated with them.
My kids are fantastic young people. Many on here have met our youngest (hXc), he is indicative of our kids..and is held in pretty high regard by others (most of the time).
Sounds pretty much like my generation when we were that age, as far as I can see.
Not all adults I know take responsiblity for their actions, either! If you don't believe me, just troll through a few odd threads on here.

I question your numbers tho...10 billion...really??

[Mom]

Pain is a most wonderful teacher. I honestly can't think of a better one. Just a week ago my little boy learned what an electric fence looks like. He knew already, but didn't see it as important enough to keep in mind...
... but he does now!.
A smack on the bum works. Pure and simple.

My son used to push every friggen boundary he could from a very early age. He was the only one of my kids that seriously pushed my dont wallop the crap out of your kids limits. He needed to test everything I said, every rule I made to the absolute limit of its boundary. No matter the number of times he was told not to do something, being distracted, being removed, losing priveleges had not a blind bit of difference to his behaviour. He was a boy apparently...LOL

Anyway, the funniest thing happened one day and I share it with you. He was about 7 I guess. We had inwall electric heating on thermostats. These things used to get HOT (well the fins did). My cutie boy used to stand so close to the things I was afraid he would burn himself, or set himself on fire. Obviously neither of them were ideal, so I used to tell him to stand away, it was a daily mantra really, "get away from that heater!" , "Mom, its coooooooold"

One evening, we were in the throes of bathtime, 3 kids to get clean and in PJ's for bed, always a busy time. I saw my boy standing close to the heater yet aggain. He was naked, just out of the bath. I started to say my usual to him, and thought nope, this time let him burn. It happened in slow motion, and it took all my control not to say something, but he bent over to pick his PJ's off the floor. As he bent over his bum made contact with these fins of the heater! Well! Far canal did he perform! Poor thing, he had these cute little lines from the fins on his rump, not blistered or anything just that burned skin thing that happens. OF course I laughed, as did his sisters and his father. That did not help his temper to be fair, but guess what? He never stood dangerously close to any heat source ever again.

I am not totally inhuman, he got a big hug and some ice on his arse, and a bit of a talk about why he should listen to Mommy as she actually did know what she was talking about. He survived my parenting I might add.

[SARGE]

It is NOT a generational issue!
My background...aged in my 50's, one of seven kids, have brought up 6 of my own (aged 18-34), and I work in a high school with a roll of approx 1000 students.
Most of the kids of today are no worse than the kids of the previous generation, or any other generation preceding that. Most of the kids that I deal with on a daily basis are polite, responsible, caring young people. They stick up for each other, they defend (vigorously, at times) their rights AND those of others. Most of them take responsibility for their actions most of the time.
They are an awesome bunch of young people, and I am proud to be associated with them.
My kids are fantastic young people. Many on here have met our youngest (hXc), he is indicative of our kids..and is held in pretty high regard by others (most of the time).
Sounds pretty much like my generation when we were that age, as far as I can see.
Not all adults I know take responsiblity for their actions, either! If you don't believe me, just troll through a few odd threads on here.

I question your numbers tho...10 billion...really??



dont get me wrong Yunga .. you and i agree that this generation has some brilliant people in it ..cant wait to see what they come up with ..


however...


you and i are around the same age bracket.. ,..our generation had some great minds in it also.. but i cant think of ANYTHING that we did that compares to what goes on nowdays in regards to the mentality of some members of this generation .. our generation has a high divorce rate .. heaps of broken homes.. heaps of kids desperate to fit into anything resembling a family unit, so they turn to street gangs and since all thier mates are getting shitfaced and beating up people and being full-on little dickheads... (case in point .. the douchebags known as the Killa Beez.. they would last 3.2 seconds alone in front of someone who knew what they were doing but you never catch them in groups of less than 3 or 4


if i told MY old man to fuck off or i WASNT going to do what he told me.. i got a clip on the ear .. (minimum)

being rude to an elder ..thats a paddlin..

not cleaning up after myself...thats a paddlin..

crossing line X... thats a paddlin..

drinking and driving .. my dad himself would call the police and report me and leave me to stew in County over the weekend.

god forbid we flick our kids ears these days.. everybody gets a friggin participation award just for showing up and sitting on the bench


.. our generation LET us fail when we deserved it and only rewarded us when we had earned it..


i think more kids need to find out what it feels like to lose once in a while.. good training for the real world ..

ya cant take a day off work just because you cant be fucked going in

[McDuck]

I am 20. Not to far off 21. I have a motorbike. I also have a job. I am also the youngest person in employment at that site by over 2o years.

I had to do 6 months (part time) work experiance and another 6 months part time payed work before they would take me on full time (they did as soon as my polytech diploma finished, i mean same afternoon).

I didnt get this at first then we had another few guys doing summer pruning and they were useless. I mean complete sacks of shit. One of them cut his hand baddly with a hand saw (funny as hell) and he spent 15 min explaning how it was not his falt that he cut his hand open.

It was funny and it confermed the fact i cant stand the majority of my generation, that said there are a few relation exeptions and most of my generation that ride bikes are ok to.

[jono035]

Yeah, the not being able to fail at things and not being properly prepared for the real world can be a big problem. Too many parents coddling their children and never letting them make their own decisions and consequently their own mistakes. I've met a lot of people going through Uni that went completely off the rails as soon as they got away from home, consequently failing out or having to repeat classes. What a waste of time.