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handy_dog
21st March 2005, 13:08
Just looking for advice from the experienced. Managed to get pinged for traveling at 167 o SH1 (100k area) last weekend. 10km of straight road, with only two vehicles on it.
Q. How long till balif shows up?
Q. What is the normal charge?
Q. What sort of penalty is the norm?
Thanks if any one can shed light on this

Paul in NZ
21st March 2005, 13:15
Ouch..... Sorry to hear that mate but I suspect you could be walking for a bit...

Paul N

James Deuce
21st March 2005, 13:28
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/legislation/docs/penalty.rtf

Your "offence" isn't even listed (too fast) on the speeding table, so I suspect you will be facing another charge, with greater repercussions than a "normal" speeding offence.

Sorry dude.This just in from the LTSA site:

"Speeding
Speeding fines progressively increase for speeds in excess of 10 kilometres an hour, with a maximum fine of $630 where the speed is up to 50 kilometres an hour over the limit. Speeds in excess of this limit come into the careless / dangerous / reckless categories depending on circumstances, and also incur a mandatory 28 day licence suspension."

Joni
21st March 2005, 13:32
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/legislation/docs/penalty.rtf

Your "offence" isn't even listed (too fast) on the speeding table, so I suspect you will be facing another charge, with greater repercussions than a "normal" speeding offence.

Sorry dude.This just in from the LTSA site:

"Speeding
Speeding fines progressively increase for speeds in excess of 10 kilometres an hour, with a maximum fine of $630 where the speed is up to 50 kilometres an hour over the limit. Speeds in excess of this limit come into the careless / dangerous / reckless categories depending on circumstances, and also incur a mandatory 28 day licence suspension."

Yup, from the sounds of it - you will be walking for a while Handy dog...

PSYCHO
21st March 2005, 13:35
wrong place at the wrong time eh?

bad luck fella

madboy
21st March 2005, 13:41
Since 167km/h automatically qualifies you as an attempted murderer (so says the LTSA tv ads) I'd say a public lynching will be on the cards. Suggest you sell your bike (have they impounded it, or is it just license?), buy a fake passport and a beach house in south america.

But I've never been pinged at that sorta speed so can't give you any real advice. I'd pretend I was sorry and hope the judge/JP got laid the night before and I might get away with a few hundred fine and a six month disq??

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 13:43
Don't know how to respond to this one, on one hand I feel like saying:
'sorry dude, bad luck that you got caught'
on the other hand though I am tempted to say
'tough shit, it's your own fault, you could've killed yourself or worse, someone else'.

I say this because I've come back from the Coromandel this weekend with my wife and kids in the car and I had the experience of a few riders riding fucking recklessly past me through dangerous corners and blind hills, all at blistering speeds and that pisses me off, because there is no need for that kind of riding especially around cars, no wonder these speed freaks end up in hospital or coffins, you ride like fucking lunatics around people who do not know how to react to bikes.

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 14:35
To clarify where. The road was straight for nearly 10km and the only vehicles on the road were myself and the law.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 14:51
To clarify where. The road was straight for nearly 10km and the only vehicles on the road were myself and the law.

oh well, this just makes it fine and fucking dandy then doesn't it? On reflection I'm glad you got the fine! Keep the speed for the track, that way if you come of your bike, which hopefully you don't, you can only fuck yourself up and not a family in a car.

Hitcher
21st March 2005, 14:56
I recommend getting in as much riding time as possible between now and your day in Court.

jrandom
21st March 2005, 15:00
oh well, this just makes it fine and fucking dandy then doesn't it? On reflection I'm glad you got the fine! Keep the speed for the track, that way if you come of your bike, which hopefully you don't, you can only fuck yourself up and not a family in a car.

Ah, don't be too hard on him, you'd do it too if you had the bike. Probably. Once or twice. And sometimes we get caught, and hopefully learn something about what not to do, afterwards...

And yes, handy_dog, the good chaps who've already posted are most likely correct, you're going to get done for dangerous and be without a licence for a minimum of a month, more likely 3-6, and the fine will probably top a grand. Suck it up and don't get done for the same thing again in the future, because that would just look dumb.

Ixion
21st March 2005, 15:01
oh well, this just makes it fine and fucking dandy then doesn't it? On reflection I'm glad you got the fine! Keep the speed for the track, that way if you come of your bike, which hopefully you don't, you can only fuck yourself up and not a family in a car.

:Playnice: guys.

Guess I'd have to say that it's only a bit over the ton, and it's not long ago that was normal cruising speed for bikes and cars in much of NZ.

Which is not to condone carving up Stan and Mabel out for their little run. But it doesn't sound like that's the case here .

So, bad luck, chum, commiserations, and you'll just have to take your medicine like a man. You're :buggerd:

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 15:04
Ah, don't be too hard on him, you'd do it too if you had the bike. Probably. Once or twice. And sometimes we get caught, and hopefully learn something about what not to do, afterwards...

Don't think I would mate, I've seen more mates having bike and car accidents because of speed, so I choose not to, the fastest I've had my GZ up to is 110kph, and I won't take it any further, there is no need to, if you want thrills have a threesome!!!!

BNZ
21st March 2005, 15:16
if you want thrills have a threesome!!!!

I like the way this man thinks! :niceone:

Madguitarist!
21st March 2005, 15:26
if you want thrills have a threesome!!!!

hehehehe........ :yes:

I feel for ya Handy Dog, no matter whois right or worng, it sucks!! But you did break the law and got caught..... :confused:

And I can vouch for Outlaw.......he rides like a nana!!! :p

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 15:27
hehehehe........ :yes:

I feel for ya Handy Dog, no matter whois right or worng, it sucks!! But you did break the law and got caught..... :confused:

And I can vouch for Outlaw.......he rides like a nana!!! :p
My nan actually rides better than me!! :2thumbsup

FEINT
21st March 2005, 15:28
I know how you feel. I got done for 160+ 1 year ago in a cage :brick: :brick: . Since then, no speeding.

I got $1000fine. I was caught on camera. I was overtaking as well. But that is still no excuse.

Good luck.

Biff
21st March 2005, 15:32
the fastest I've had my GZ up to is 110kph, and I won't take it any further, there is no need to, if you want thrills have a threesome!!!!

So let me get this right - you're saying that I can either try and find two other people, preferably (in my book) two females, who would care to join me for a 'session', not an easy task, or I could use my right hand. :spudwhat:

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 15:34
So let me get this right - you're saying that I can either try and find two other people, preferably (in my book) two females, who would care to join me for a 'session', not an easy task, or I could use my right hand. :spudwhat:

I reckon so, if you can, go for it!!

Paul in NZ
21st March 2005, 15:54
Look, it's easy to bag someone for getting a monster ticket but the fact of the matter is, Ive gone that fast a shit load of times on machines that were possibly unsafe at half that speed.... Why? No idea.... It's a bloke thing.

Yes, it's not a good idea, yes it's a very dangerous thing to do (for many reasons) but it's also pretty hard to resist. Getting stuck into people and using the f**k word is not required... The gentleman was just asking a simple question. We were not there, we don't know the whole story...

Paul N

ps - Yes, where I think it safe and suitable I will go that fast again as well... Why? Dunno... How often? Seldom but in the back of bum buggery no place it just might happen...

jrandom
21st March 2005, 16:05
Don't think I would mate, I've seen more mates having bike and car accidents because of speed, so I choose not to, the fastest I've had my GZ up to is 110kph, and I won't take it any further, there is no need to...

Also, it won't *go* much faster than 110. I've ridden a GZ. Nice, but they don't exactly want to go fast. Which is fine. But don't try turning the fact that you happen to own a 250 that has trouble exceeding the legal limit into some kind of moral superiority.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 16:06
Look, it's easy to bag someone for getting a monster ticket but the fact of the matter is, Ive gone that fast a shit load of times on machines that were possibly unsafe at half that speed.... Why? No idea.... It's a bloke thing.

Yes, it's not a good idea, yes it's a very dangerous thing to do (for many reasons) but it's also pretty hard to resist. Getting stuck into people and using the f**k word is not required... The gentleman was just asking a simple question. We were not there, we don't know the whole story...

Paul N

ps - Yes, where I think it safe and suitable I will go that fast again as well... Why? Dunno... How often? Seldom but in the back of bum buggery no place it just might happen...

whats the matter with the word 'fuck'? It's just a word? And I am getting 'stuck into him' because I feel riding that speed on any public road is fucking crazy!

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 16:08
Also, it won't *go* much faster than 110. I've ridden a GZ. Nice, but they don't exactly want to go fast. Which is fine. But don't try turning the fact that you happen to own a 250 that has trouble exceeding the legal limit into some kind of moral superiority.

I aint sunshine, I'm simply stating the facts and when I do get a bigger bike I aint going faster anyway as speed tickets are expensive and money is something quite precious to me.

jrandom
21st March 2005, 16:10
I aint sunshine, I'm simply stating the facts and when I do get a bigger bike I aint going faster anyway...

One day, after you've ridden a 100hp bike for a while, and you come back and say that with hand on heart, *then* I'll believe it.

White trash
21st March 2005, 16:18
My bike does 178, in second, on one wheel.

Now that's FUCKEN cool!

**R1**
21st March 2005, 16:25
My bike does 178, in second, on one wheel.

Now that's FUCKEN cool!Bastard, i can only do 173 in 2nd on the back wheel.....but yeah fkn cool(more so when ya standing up BASTARD!).
145 in frst b4 the gay limiter kills the fun.

Wolf
21st March 2005, 16:26
One day, after you've ridden a 100hp bike for a while, and you come back and say that with hand on heart, *then* I'll believe it.
Closed private roads, no other traffic, all safety gear checked, CEO of OSH on hand to sign everything off, honest, Officer...

White trash
21st March 2005, 16:26
Bastard, i can only do 173 in 2nd on the back wheel.....but yeah fkn cool(more so when ya standing up BASTARD!).
145 in frst b4 the gay limiter kills the fun.

Fucken slow those R1s mate. Mine gets to a whopping 146 in first.

Time to trade up me thinks.

Biff
21st March 2005, 16:31
I aint sunshine, I'm simply stating the facts and when I do get a bigger bike I aint going faster anyway as speed tickets are expensive and money is something quite precious to me.

I tend to agree with the Random man here, I'm not a balls out speedster however, I have on one or two occasions decided to blow the cobwebs of the BiffBird and opened her up ‘a bit’. A bit too fast by some peoples books, sure. But none the less it has been away from other motorists, pedestrians etc so I'm only likely to hurt/kill myself. Had I been caught then it would have served me right.

I don't think Handy Dog is looking for sympathy (he wouldn't get it from me, just an "ouch - taxi"), but has realised he's fooked up, big time, as he was caught. Unless he was a total fuckwit and did it down the main high street that is, in which case I'd say he should be hung, drawn and quartered.

I bet there isn't a single biker, yourself including, in the entire country, nay even the world, who, of sound body and mind, and on a machine capable of doing so, has not at some time or another exceeded the speed limit. Apart from R1Aaron, who walks everywhere these days.

So for now I say let's all chip in, take the piss and collect donations for his future bus rides.

bear
21st March 2005, 16:32
I thought that going 50+ over the limit got an instant 28 day suspension of our licence, did this not happen in this case?

WINJA
21st March 2005, 16:36
WHY DIDNT YOU DO A RUNNER? WHAT SORT OF BIKE DO YOU HAVE?
HAVE YOU CHECKED THE TICKET TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS ACCURATE?
DID YOU LOSE YOUR LICENCE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD FOR 28 DAYS?

Paul in NZ
21st March 2005, 16:40
whats the matter with the word 'fuck'? It's just a word?

Because it's inappropriate, rude, immature, is calculated to get peoples backs up, undermines your argument and worst of all, is completely un-nescessary. It makes your argument seem a bit coarse and people stop listening.


And I am getting 'stuck into him' because I feel riding that speed on any public road is fucking crazy!

I have no problem with you expressing a very strong opinion (that I happen to share as a matter of fact), I just think it's a bit over the top in this case, the gentleman is not bragging about it.... He just asked what happens next...

:done:

Lou Girardin
21st March 2005, 16:43
What bear said. How come the copper didn't pluck your licence on the spot?
As for some of the self-righteous posts that came out of the woodwork on this one,
it seems the brainwashing is working. Why think for yourself when you've got all these caring socialists to do it for you?
On some SI roads 200 is safer than 100 around Auckland M/Ways

jrandom
21st March 2005, 16:44
... b4 the gay limiter kills the fun.

So what you're saying is, your bike has a 'gay limiter' that keeps kicking in when you ride it?

:shake:

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 16:45
Because it's inappropriate, rude, immature, is calculated to get peoples backs up, undermines your argument and worst of all, is completely un-nescessary. It makes your argument seem a bit coarse and people stop listening.

worked in your case then didn't it? Fuck to me is just another word, I use it at home, office, anywhere and everywhere, wether I am talking to God, the prime minister or my boss, it gets used because it is a beautiful word. :done:

Wolf
21st March 2005, 16:46
I bet there isn't a single biker, yourself including, in the entire country, nay even the world, who, of sound body and mind, and on a machine capable of doing so, has not at some time or another exceeded the speed limit.
He's right - how else would I know that the LS400 wont do a lot more than 125km/h? Guesswork? That being said, it was a neat stretch of straight road with lots of good visibility (raised road over-looking flat farm-land) and sod-all driveways on it and no one else around to hit. If a cop had been hidden anywhere, I'd have had a well deserved ticket, though.

Paul in NZ
21st March 2005, 16:47
What bear said. How come the copper didn't pluck your licence on the spot?
As for some of the self-righteous posts that came out of the woodwork on this one,
it seems the brainwashing is working. Why think for yourself when you've got all these caring socialists to do it for you?
On some SI roads 200 is safer than 100 around Auckland M/Ways

Oh yeah... The sound of another long bow being drawn...

The other thing I hate about these posts are the posts drawing some sort of tenuous connection to politics... Naughty naughty Lou - Mistress helen will be visiting you shortly with her tight rubber cat suits and big smacky stick... Hang on, you might enjoy that... Hmm.. OK... Don brash then...

jrandom
21st March 2005, 16:47
Fuck to me is just another word, I use it at home, office, anywhere and everywhere, wether I am talking to God, the prime minister or my boss...

I don't think I'd like you very much if I met you in person, then.

Anyway, what do you do when you're *really* upset about something?

Jump up and down and yell 'dang'?

Wolf
21st March 2005, 16:50
So what you're saying is, your bike has a 'gay limiter' that keeps kicking in when you ride it?

:shake:
Hell, one of those things could ruin a lot of people's fun :killingme

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 16:51
I don't think I'd like you very much if I met you in person, then.

Anyway, what do you do when you're *really* upset about something?

Jump up and down and yell 'dang'?

how the hell did this become about the word 'fuck'? FYI when I am upset I still use the word fuck, is there a problem with that as well? :Offtopic:

SPman
21st March 2005, 16:56
Bastard,
145 in frst b4 the gay limiter kills the fun.

Better borrow Stonechuckers bike, then, - isnt it good for 161 in first?..so they say.....or so I've heard......um........

Paul in NZ
21st March 2005, 16:57
worked in your case then didn't it? Fuck to me is just another word, I use it at home, office, anywhere and everywhere, wether I am talking to God, the prime minister or my boss, it gets used because it is a beautiful word. :done:

Sigh....

No it didn't 'work'. It did however paint a picture clearly, and you filled in the details beautifully. Thanks.

Paul N

XP@
21st March 2005, 16:59
Bad luck!
get a good traffic lawer.

I did it cost me $500 in lawer fees and $0 fines

Evidently they could not locate the calibration certificate....

still had to walk for 28 days

zeRax
21st March 2005, 17:00
outlawtorn scares me, i for one look forward to getting some wind in my hair bad luck if get caught imo, sure its not worth it, but its a gamble isnt it, one that youve juuuuuuuuuust gotta take :o

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:01
Sigh....

No it didn't 'work'. It did however paint a picture clearly, and you filled in the details beautifully. Thanks.

Paul N
apt biography Paul

jrandom
21st March 2005, 17:03
how the hell did this become about the word 'fuck'?

You said it, and someone thought your usage was OTT, which wasn't OT, per se. OTOH, *this* post is.


FYI when I am upset I still use the word fuck, is there a problem with that as well?

So long as you don't go around using 'fucken' as a sort of generic modifier. 'Fucking' is fine, but I've never quite figured out why 'fucken' has filtered from the South Auckland schoolyard level up to general usage. People even *spell* it that way, instead of "fuckin'", with an apostrophe indicating the contraction. And they pronounce it that way, too; we're talking people who never verbally contract an 'ing' in *any* other context. Why? I don't know. But it annoys the snot out of me.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:05
So long as you don't go around using 'fucken' as a sort of generic modifier. 'Fucking' is fine, but I've never quite figured out ......

we at least agree here.

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 17:09
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.

Madguitarist!
21st March 2005, 17:12
Bad luck!
get a good traffic lawer.

I did it cost me $500 in lawer fees and $0 fines

Evidently they could not locate the calibration certificate....

still had to walk for 28 days

Hey dude, where have you been?? Haven't heard from ya since you got me to sign up here!! :spudwhat:

I'm heading to Welly easter weekend, howz the CBR600f2 project coming along? Can I have a looky at it while I'm there??? :cool:

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:13
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.
Sorry mate, I did get a bit carried away, but I do feel very strongly about this so please forgive me.

If I have offended any people who enjoy speeding then please forgive me as well, no aggression intended.

As far as people who don't like the word 'fuck' well, they'll just have to live with it.

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 17:16
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.
The bus ticket will not be wet & it won't be your wrist. Keep us posted as to the result. Sympathies to you tho....I would have been doing at least the same and probably more as you describe the place you got pinged.

Madguitarist!
21st March 2005, 17:19
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.

in the voice of Yoda:
Can of worms, open you have.....
wisdom from this you must gain....
Much maturity, I sense in you.....
Let the force be your guide young padawan! :niceone:

I'm sure you'll be able to look back one day and laugh..... but until then, good luck!! And whatever happens you're always still welcome here!! :2thumbsup

XP@
21st March 2005, 17:21
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.
If you are really truly sorry then I think the judge may be a little nicer if you take some lessons and buy a slower bike.
I took up adventure riding on an f650, still have a lot of fun but at not quite warp speed (unless I really make the effort).
for me getting caught and getting off a +61kph ticket has probably saved my life.

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 17:23
Sorry mate, I did get a bit carried away, but I do feel very strongly about this so please forgive me.

If I have offended any people who enjoy speeding then please forgive me as well, no aggression intended.

As far as people who don't like the word 'fuck' well, they'll just have to live with it.
If you ever find yourself sitting on top of 150 horses with 10k of straight road/no traffic & you stay at 100kph then the time has come to get a mobility scooter. Appreciate that you feel strongly about this but the collective we are tired of the speed message/brainwashing/propaganda.

Funkyfly
21st March 2005, 17:29
I aint sunshine, I'm simply stating the facts and when I do get a bigger bike I aint going faster anyway as speed tickets are expensive and money is something quite precious to me.


Why would you want a bigger bike? You current 250cc bike can do 110, and thats breaking the law sonny, maybe you should trade down to a 150.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:30
If you ever find yourself sitting on top of 150 horses with 10k of straight road/no traffic & you stay at 100kph then the time has come to get a mobility scooter. Appreciate that you feel strongly about this but the collective we are tired of the speed message/brainwashing/propaganda.

Sorry dude, but I know nothing of the speed message/brainwashing/propaganda against the collective.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:30
Why would you want a bigger bike? You current 250cc bike can do 110, and thats breaking the law sonny, maybe you should trade down to a 150.

Sick up jumping into 4th to try and get over every hill I meet.

madboy
21st March 2005, 17:37
...I aint going faster anyway as speed tickets are expensive and money is something quite precious to me.Look, don't take this the wrong way, but don't you feel that stating your reason for not speeding as financial kinda erodes the safety high ground? People do runners from the cops for exactly the same reason - financial.

Funkyfly
21st March 2005, 17:43
Sick up jumping into 4th to try and get over every hill I meet.

Buy an auto. Scooters have no gears, just twist and go, right up your alley, and they wont exceed 100kph - perfect!

Just avoid the open roads and hills.

I see a few other posts mention 160 as "warp speed", maybe around town it is, but like lambos, porsches, ferraris etc sports bikes are built to travel at these speeds, period, thats what they are designed for, heck most sports bikes break 100kph in first gear! (and have a 6 speed box)

They have fancy suspension and brakes to handle these higher speeds.

A modern sports bike i feel is safer at 150 than an old trumpet or harley is at 100!

160 = warp speed? whateva. try 300kph!

Hitcher
21st March 2005, 17:43
But it annoys the snot out of me.
Don't deride too harshly our loverly kiwi uxents. Ut's luddle wunda people gut cunfuzed and cun't fucken cope in the land of flat vowels and dark ls.

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 17:44
Sorry dude, but I know nothing of the speed message/brainwashing/propaganda against the collective.
Your earlier posts reflect the propaganda drivel we are fed ad nauseum re speed. I've been riding bikes and speeding (at times that I believe are appropriate) since before you were born according to your profile. I am still here. Nor do I have a long list of traffic convictions either. What most of the members here are saying is unless you can & do speed excessively they are not particularly interested in your stance (refer first sentence)

mikey
21st March 2005, 17:54
minimum sentence if found gui;ty of careless/reckless/dangerous driving (even though your technically riding not driving) is 6 months disqualification and possible time in jail if your a bad ass repeat offender and or fines up to 10000. not many prosecutors go for diversion for this type of ""crime"" sorry bud, try going to a mental hospital for a month!

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 17:54
Look, don't take this the wrong way, but don't you feel that stating your reason for not speeding as financial kinda erodes the safety high ground? People do runners from the cops for exactly the same reason - financial.
Um, I thought I had established my rantings are from a safety point of view?


Buy an auto. Scooters have no gears, just twist and go, right up your alley, and they wont exceed 100kph - perfect! Just avoid the open roads and hills.
Thanks for the non-solution funkyfly and BTW my next bike will (hopefully) be a Suzuki Volusia 800, perfect for my daily commute and the odd weekend cruise.


Your earlier posts reflect the propaganda drivel we are fed ad nauseum re speed. I've been riding bikes and speeding (at times that I believe are appropriate) since before you were born according to your profile. I am still here. Nor do I have a long list of traffic convictions either. What most of the members here are saying is unless you can & do speed excessively they are not particularly interested in your stance (refer first sentence)
Sorry but I have not been aware of the feeding of drivel to you guys, I have only been in the country 8 months, 7 of those months I have been riding to work and back daily. I can understand perfectly why most of you guys don't like my stance, but it is my stance and I will air it to anyone who cares to listen/read. Call me a nana if you wish but I am against reckless riding & speeding.

I didn't realise I'd open myself up for so much flack! Oh well, me and my big mouth again....

Hitcher
21st March 2005, 17:59
Thanks for the non-solution funkyfly and BTW my next bike will (hopefully) be a Suzuki Volusia 800, perfect for my daily commute and the odd weekend cruise.
Do you know how much those things weigh? And they've got spokes!! Better to get a Marauder which has the same donk and about 100 fewer kg to haul around.

outlawtorn
21st March 2005, 18:05
Do you know how much those things weigh? And they've got spokes!! Better to get a Marauder which has the same donk and about 100 fewer kg to haul around.

Off topic I know,

I prefer the look of the Volusia compared to the Marauder, I kinda like that old style Indian look that it has.

Hitcher
21st March 2005, 18:08
Off topic I know,

I prefer the look of the Volusia compared to the Marauder, I kinda like that old style Indian look that it has.
Fairy nuff. Americano cruiser mags really like them too. An extinct species now, thanks to Suzuki and that whole "Boulevard" thing...

**R1**
21st March 2005, 18:09
Better borrow Stonechuckers bike, then, - isnt it good for 161 in first?..so they say.....or so I've heard......um........Yeah i test rode one last year.....all i wanted to see was the shift light...........161 bang on:niceone:

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 18:13
The cop in this instance was a good'n, he did permit me to ride back into civilisation before presenting me with the obligtory paperwork.
The bike is an old but sound '88 vfr 400 and yes it likes doing this speed occasionly.

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 18:14
The cop in this instance was a good'n, he did permit me to ride back into civilisation before presenting me with the obligtory paperwork.
The bike is an old but sound '88 vfr 400 and yes it likes doing this speed occasionly.venture forward with an open mind -
but not so far as your brains fall out.

Mongoose
21st March 2005, 18:36
venture forward with an open mind -
but not so far as your brains fall out.


Range of punishment around here tends to be: Fine about the same as Max Instant PLUS court costs and six months walking.
An inducement not to piss about and get to court as you Disq. starts at court and not at the end of the compulsory one month roadside Disq.

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 18:41
Sorry but I have not been aware of the feeding of drivel to you guys, I have only been in the country 8 months, 7 of those months I have been riding to work and back daily. I can understand perfectly why most of you guys don't like my stance, but it is my stance and I will air it to anyone who cares to listen/read. Call me a nana if you wish but I am against reckless riding & speeding.

I didn't realise I'd open myself up for so much flack! Oh well, me and my big mouth again....
We might call you Zed#2

Da Bird
21st March 2005, 18:50
Did you get a Traffic Offence Notice outlining the actual charge you were going to face...

Most likely would be Dangerous Speed - max $4500 fine, up to 3 months prison (generally only for repeat offenders) and minimum 6 months disqualification...

BC.

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 18:58
Offence notice only states "Exceeding 100 Kph"

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 19:08
Your earlier posts reflect the propaganda drivel we are fed ad nauseum re speed. I've been riding bikes and speeding (at times that I believe are appropriate) since before you were born according to your profile. I am still here. Nor do I have a long list of traffic convictions either. What most of the members here are saying is unless you can & do speed excessively they are not particularly interested in your stance (refer first sentence)
Just read that again and it might seem that I am glorifying breaking the law. Not so. To clarify - A large number (most?) of us think that rigid enforcement of speed is sometimes inappropriate depending on the time/place of the *event*. To those that toe the party line :shake: and to those that cut some slack depending on above :niceone: That goes for HP or anyone else. Most of us have the sense to pick the time & place with care, but accept that we risk being sprung. We only bleat on about the penalties because that's human nature.

MSTRS
21st March 2005, 19:12
Offence notice only states "Exceeding 100 Kph"
Hmmmm - defend & say you were doing 109 on your speedo, perhaps it wasn't as accurate as you thought?

Da Bird
21st March 2005, 19:26
If you are only being charged with Exceeding 100km/hr, then its your lucky day... maximum $1000.00 fine - no disqualification for that one.

BC.

handy_dog
21st March 2005, 19:45
your kidding me

bugjuice
21st March 2005, 19:50
could be your lucky day ;)
can you kiss your nuts by chance?

Da Bird
21st March 2005, 19:54
No, not kidding... cop was either feeling generous or felt he couldn't prove a Dangerous driving charge for some reason. You will get a summons to go to court - prob get a fine around $700-$800 I would guess.

BC.

madboy
21st March 2005, 19:58
Hey Bykey, off topic but what do those Beemers go like? I was looking up the specs last night and the 04 US spec ones seem to have 95hp - comparable to kiwi spec? Couldn't find weight, but assume they're pretty heavy. My partners mate's hubby is a bikey cop from wgtn and he and his mate were raving about them a month or two back.

Da Bird
21st March 2005, 20:44
Hey Bykey, off topic but what do those Beemers go like? I was looking up the specs last night and the 04 US spec ones seem to have 95hp - comparable to kiwi spec? Couldn't find weight, but assume they're pretty heavy. My partners mate's hubby is a bikey cop from wgtn and he and his mate were raving about them a month or two back.

Hi,

Yeah, as far as I know they are the 95hp... roughly around 400kgs fully loaded up. Very heavy but they go quite well... seat is very comfortable. Only thing I dont like to much is the switch gear for lights /sirens etc is not close to normal hand position so end up having to take hand off handlebars to use.

BC.

madboy
21st March 2005, 21:14
Yeah, as far as I know they are the 95hp... roughly around 400kgs fully loaded up. Very heavy but they go quite well... seat is very comfortable. Only thing I dont like to much is the switch gear for lights /sirens etc is not close to normal hand position so end up having to take hand off handlebars to use.Really? Jeez... perhaps my fear is misplaced then. You'd wanna make real sure you kept that upright!!

I've often wondered how many hands were required to ride one, like in pursuits where a pretty constant radio transmission is required - can't help things. Still, heavy beast or not, about the only enforcement tool that has me going for the brakes first...

I'm told they cruise nicely over the Takas and through the wairarapa. Definitely a tourer more than a sports machine, but can't imagine a hand held radar taking a liking to sitting on a gixxers exhaust!!

speedpro
21st March 2005, 21:28
Brother in Law got pinged for 160K(ish) years ago and got ticketed for exceeding the limit, NOT careless or anything. The cop got reamed out for not writing it up as dangerous. You owe the cop - BIG.

Just my thoughts - you got caught and them's the rules so take it like a man, but 160K, or even 260K, on the right bike in the right circumstances is not even a bit dodgy. I don't have personal experiance of anything newer than a ZZR1100 10 years ago, but that was effortless at 250K and perfectly safe where we were doing it. I don't accept, and never will, that no matter the circumstances or vehicle, that exceeding some arbitrary speed makes you a danger.

Krusti
21st March 2005, 21:35
Lucky is when ya get caught at 151 and the ticket reads 150 :whistle:

Teflon
21st March 2005, 22:01
Should of done a runner, no point in stopping, your fucked anyway.

Should put your number plate on bungee cords, easy to take off when going hard, when hit towns etc, put it back on.

peterjdaly
21st March 2005, 22:16
It's a bit obvious from some of the guys attitudes that they are happy to do whatever speed they want. Hard to argue, the facts on speed and crashes tend to be misconstrued by whoever has a point to make. Whatever, do whatever speed you want, but don't complain about what comes your way when you get caught.

From my experience, you might get away with an Exceeding 100km/h charge if the cop has a sense of fairness. If there isn't anyone else on the road, it is a bit hard for him to prove it was dangerous to the public.

I lost mine for 6 months when I was a kid, doing 180 down the Southern Motorway on an RD350LC. The cop was one of those with little humour in his soul, so I just took it on the chin.

Biff
21st March 2005, 22:32
Hi,

Yeah, as far as I know they are the 95hp... roughly around 400kgs fully loaded up. Very heavy but they go quite well... seat is very comfortable. Only thing I dont like to much is the switch gear for lights /sirens etc is not close to normal hand position so end up having to take hand off handlebars to use.

BC.

What you need is a Honda Pan European - I think they're called STX1100/1300's here. I think Hitcher rides one.

UK cops love them, more so than the BMWs. I've ridden one, all tooled up with lights, sirens,comms etc. Switchgear and lights were within a stretched finger tip. Powerful, agile and very comfy. Good for 150 MPH. They even use covert Busas. Gits.

Da Bird
21st March 2005, 23:03
What you need is a Honda Pan European - I think they're called STX1100/1300's here. I think Hitcher rides one.

UK cops love them, more so than the BMWs. I've ridden one, all tooled up with lights, sirens,comms etc. Switchgear and lights were within a stretched finger tip. Powerful, agile and very comfy. Good for 150 MPH. They even use covert Busas. Gits.

When the police were looking to replace the Honda ST1100's, it came down to 2 bikes - the BMW R1150RT and the Honda STX1300. From what I've heard, there wasn't too much between the two but I'm sure price played a part and with BMW out of the game for the last 6 years, they probably came to the party.
I've seen pics of Blackbird police bikes in the UK - now that would be primo!

madboy
21st March 2005, 23:09
I've seen pics of Blackbird police bikes in the UK - now that would be primo!I vote for the Beemers... I'd be too scared to enjoy my bike if I knew the odds were less in my favour!

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 00:35
Buy an auto. Scooters have no gears, just twist and go, right up your alley, and they wont exceed 100kph - perfect!


A modern sports bike i feel is safer at 150 than an old trumpet or harley is at 100!

160 = warp speed? whateva. try 300kph!

Agreed. The old Trumpy (Meridian) 650s could go OK, but they sure were scarey at anything over 90 or so. Depending on the road, setup, rider etc of course. And whether you actually had any nonsensical notions of being able to slow down from 100+ using that 7 inch SLS brake. :brick:

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 00:45
Agreed. The old Trumpy (Meridian) 650s could go OK, but they sure were scarey at anything over 90 or so. Depending on the road, setup, rider etc of course. And whether you actually had any nonsensical notions of being able to slow down from 100+ using that 7 inch SLS brake. :brick:

Umm. that's 90 MPH of course. I think the post I was replying to meant 100KPH.

Even the old Speed Twin was fine at 100kph. That's only 60 odd mph, it would cruise at that all day.

Lets get real folks. On any performance vehicle, bike or car, 160kph isn't really an issue in itself. It's only if the environment isn't safe eg Stan out for his monthly pootle, children who may run into road etc.

Until quite recent times normal cruising for most drivers in this country was 150 - 180 kph. And we're all still around.

I get a lot more scared at 80kph on the Southern Motorway on a wet dark winters's night in the rush hour than I do at 160kph on a nice back country road.

And I notoriously ride like the original Nana's nana. :banana:

Wolf
22nd March 2005, 09:54
I lost mine for 6 months when I was a kid, doing 180 down the Southern Motorway on an RD350LC.
Shit dude, sounds like your bike was in better nick than mine - I had my old RD350 "green machine" up to 128k after using most of a rather long straight and the bitch was juddering and jumping so much it scared the shit outta me. The engine sounded like it'd blow if I tried to crank another couple of km/h out of it. It wasn't anything like the 115mph the RD350 was reputedly capable of.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 09:57
Shit dude, sounds like your bike was in better nick than mine - I had my old RD350 "green machine" up to 128k after using most of a rather long straight and the bitch was juddering and jumping so much it scared the shit outta me. The engine sounded like it'd blow if I tried to crank another couple of km/h out of it. It wasn't anything like the 115mph the RD350 was reputedly capable of.
That had to be one sick RD then. Even the 250s could do 100mph on a good day

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 10:01
Which reminds me. I had a TS125 in the early 70's and with a 16tooth sprocket on the front it could 80pmh indicated.

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 10:13
That had to be one sick RD then. Even the 250s could do 100mph on a good day

I regularly had my RD350 over the ton (160kph). Took a while and no head winds to get that last bit, but once there it could hold it OK.140 -150 kph was easy. Handling at speed was actually pretty good for the day, much better than Brit iron. :niceone:

Gixxer 4 ever
22nd March 2005, 10:41
I aint sunshine, I'm simply stating the facts and when I do get a bigger bike I aint going faster anyway as speed tickets are expensive and money is something quite precious to me.
Yeah right. Grow up yourself.

Gixxer 4 ever
22nd March 2005, 10:56
Instant walk....
I'm not looking for sympathy, and constructive crittacism will be taken on board. I was in the boonies, and the only person I was putting at risk was myself - of my own violition.
I've done the crime and accept the fact that I was caught approaching warp speed. I don't have a problem with this.
I just want to hear from others; what to expect.
Good on you mate. I was a bit embarrassed with outlawtorn's attack to be honest. As you said you never asked for sympathy you only wanted fact and it was your second posting here so I felt it was a bit over the top. Anyway welcome to the mad house.
And the truth is everyone here with a bike over 50cc has had a go. Some get zapped and some don't. Most 100 H/P plus bikes have cracked the 200 mark on the road and thats life.

Gixxer 4 ever
22nd March 2005, 11:14
and perfectly safe where we were doing it. I don't accept, and never will, that no matter the circumstances or vehicle, that exceeding some arbitrary speed makes you a danger.
I do have some sympathy for this idea but it is to often in NZ we see sheep and other live stock on the road side. Also families and kids live along these country roads etc. Just an observation and I have seen things happen at normal ( 130 kmh ) that would have been a big problem at 200. I live in the country so have experience of what is on the roads.

Paul in NZ
22nd March 2005, 11:14
I regularly had my RD350 over the ton (160kph). Took a while and no head winds to get that last bit, but once there it could hold it OK.140 -150 kph was easy. Handling at speed was actually pretty good for the day, much better than Brit iron. :niceone:

Sort of... If you uprated the shocks... ;-) I could hold them but not pass them on my Norton Atlas Cafe Racer in the twisties everywhere except down hill where the light weight and disk brakes won out. They could get me under brakes if they were brave enough but I could hold a tighter line so they had to go around me. If they got a nose in front it was all over IF they had the right gear engaged or else the norty would grunt off.

I always lost the 'engine off' races from the Hilltop though - crazy bastards..

Normally, up to about 85 mph they would scream away from me but after that I could steadily reel them in as the Norton could reach the 120's with relative ease with the rider hiding behind the gas cap (top measured speed was 129 on a really GOOD day over the flying mile) Note - it had a lot of money wasted on the engine and was pretty fast.

However, as far as everyday riding was concerned, in traffic and so on, the RD's pure accelleration from 30 to 120 kph left the lardy old Norton for DEAD... In the rain, at night or dodgy conditions the stablity of the old Norton gave it the edge unless the RD pilot was on a self destruction mission (and a lot of them were)... Jeeze that was a fun time... Ace bars on the RD's, clip ons on the Norty, 6 ft tall and bullet proof...

Paul N

outlawtorn
22nd March 2005, 11:14
Yeah right. Grow up yourself.

Thanks dude

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 11:49
Sort of... If you uprated the shocks... ;-) I could hold them but not pass them on my Norton Atlas Cafe Racer in the twisties .. In the rain, at night or dodgy conditions the stablity of the old Norton gave it the edge unless the RD pilot was on a self destruction mission (and a lot of them were)... Jeeze that was a fun time... Ace bars on the RD's, clip ons on the Norty, 6 ft tall and bullet proof...

Paul N

An Atlas handled a *lot* better than most of the Brit iron. Now an A10 at 100mph. *That* was hairy. The RD's didn't like cross winds IIRC, but the ace bars were beautiful on them. It was really the acceleration and the lovely twosmoker howl as you wound it up that I liked on them.

Always wanted an Atlas , never did get one.

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 11:56
I do have some sympathy for this idea but it is to often in NZ we see sheep and other live stock on the road side. Also families and kids live along these country roads etc. Just an observation and I have seen things happen at normal ( 130 kmh ) that would have been a big problem at 200. I live in the country so have experience of what is on the roads.

True, but we do have good straight roads in NZ that don't have families (or houses) or side turnings or livestock along them. Except maybe for feral animals, but anything larger than a rabbit you should be able to see. And rabbits are fairly sane . (I'll swear there was one recently though, that was trying to drag me off - leaped onto the road beside me from a bank as I came out of a slow hairpin, and sprinted up the road beside me. He lost the drag, but. :yeah: )

I'd agree that in the upper North Island there aren't too many roads safe for 200kph. But there are some, and in the South Island a lot more (because of the lower population density)

handy_dog
22nd March 2005, 12:26
Of course the roads in the south are safe to travel above 100K. Helen proved this with her motorcade recently. Given she and the others in the motorcade sped past my front gate, traveling at a similar speed to what I got booked at, am only following the example set by those who make and enforce the laws. The Waimate cop that booked me may have a similar day in court comming up; Maybe this is why I was hit with the soft end of the stick... :done: :doctor:

Rainbow Wizard
22nd March 2005, 12:38
Yes, where I think it safe and suitable I will go that fast again as well... Why? Dunno... How often? Seldom but in the back of bum buggery no place it just might happen...
The speed on a deserted road with good forward visibilty and no side roads was illegal but no great drama (until he got caught) but where he needs his head read was for doing it on Highway One. Man that was a dumb move because the Fedrali use that as flypaper.

Paul in NZ
22nd March 2005, 12:45
There is not a road on the planet that is 100% safe at any speed.

What we are talking about is a sliding scale of safety that varies considerably from place to place, time to time and person to person that is punctuated by some very real legal limits with even more real punishments.

Yes, there are times when it is relatively safe to go quite fast for a brief time in some places. As for me, in general I don't exceed the limit by any more than 20kph ever as that is the limit of pain I can stand... Plus any more is a bit irresponsible and can't be sustained for long.

I guess what I find odd... Admitting you do 110 (which is already breaking the legal limit) and blagging someone that got pinged for 160. That means you have already ignored the legal limit and so physics aside are we are just talking about a sliding scale of comfort and illegality...

Cheers

outlawtorn
22nd March 2005, 12:50
There is not a road on the planet that is 100% safe at any speed.

What we are talking about is a sliding scale of safety that varies considerably from place to place, time to time and person to person that is punctuated by some very real legal limits with even more real punishments.

Yes, there are times when it is relatively safe to go quite fast for a brief time in some places. As for me, in general I don't exceed the limit by any more than 20kph ever as that is the limit of pain I can stand... Plus any more is a bit irresponsible and can't be sustained for long.

I guess what I find odd... Admitting you do 110 (which is already breaking the legal limit) and blagging someone that got pinged for 160. That means you have already ignored the legal limit and so physics aside are we are just talking about a sliding scale of comfort and illegality...

Cheers

FYI dude, I achieved 110 going downhill just outside of Auckland on the motorway where it splits to go either to Hamilton or to the Coromandel. I was also with a couple of other KBers as we were on our way to the Toy Run. I also find the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge. I have been in a car at 160+ and have basically shat myself because it is bloody fast it is nothing compared to 110 and I come from south Africa where the speed is 120kph on the highways.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 12:55
the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge.
On your bike perhaps.

madboy
22nd March 2005, 13:06
I also find the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge. I have been in a car at 160+ and have basically shat myself because it is bloody fast it is nothing compared to 110 and I come from south Africa where the speed is 120kph on the highways.So what you're saying is that you personally believe that 110 is safe and 160 is not. And on that basis 110 downhill on the motorway is safe, and 160k under any circumstances is not. Is that a fair comment for me to make?

Because I personally believe that 230k in a car was exciting, and 250k on the bike last night was even more exciting (bordering on scary actually but that's only cos it's a new bike to me, I'm sure I'll get used to it). Those are my personal beliefs. So is it fair for me to say that 250 is safe and 300 is not?

But then there was the time I was cruising down a gravel road (100km/h speed limit but closed that day for competition) in my rally car, misjudged the hairpin and rolled it... speed I was travelling at - approx 30km/h. But I was doing 70km/h under the speed limit had it been an open road?!!

Wolf
22nd March 2005, 13:07
That had to be one sick RD then. Even the 250s could do 100mph on a good day
It was the second bike I ever bought - the first being my TS125 (the RX125 doesn't count as dad bought it for me). I was young and knew SFA about bikes so I wound up with a TS125 that was shit hot and an RD350 that was just shit.

Wish I still had the TS125, it was fun and pretty-much indestructible (cost me a fortune in muffler bandages, tho') and could get up to a reasonable speed 2-up.

Paul in NZ
22nd March 2005, 13:10
On your bike perhaps.

It is on my Guzzi as well but I have ridden a Triumph ST where I thought I was getting on a bit at 100kph when I realised the speedo was in mph (ie 160kph) Because the bike was (to me) so damn good, I was going way faster than I thought!

However, even on a dreadfull old shitter like my Guzzi, if I was blindfolded I'd be hard pressed to 'feel' the difference between 100 and 140....

Yes, at 160 you are taking a bigger risk and in some times and places it's an insane speed but one that a great many of us have done and will do again in relative safety and with minimum risk to others. It's NOT an automatic death sentence.

No one is complaining about the ticket, the law or anything else. Its a more than fair cop.

outlawtorn
22nd March 2005, 13:25
So what you're saying is that you personally believe that 110 is safe and 160 is not. And on that basis 110 downhill on the motorway is safe, and 160k under any circumstances is not. Is that a fair comment for me to make?

Because I personally believe that 230k in a car was exciting, and 250k on the bike last night was even more exciting (bordering on scary actually but that's only cos it's a new bike to me, I'm sure I'll get used to it). Those are my personal beliefs. So is it fair for me to say that 250 is safe and 300 is not?

But then there was the time I was cruising down a gravel road (100km/h speed limit but closed that day for competition) in my rally car, misjudged the hairpin and rolled it... speed I was travelling at - approx 30km/h. But I was doing 70km/h under the speed limit had it been an open road?!!

no it aint a fair comment to make, nowhere did i state that 110 is safer than 160, I just stated that 110 is the fatest I have ever gone and the result of that was probably because I was going downhill.

HenryDorsetCase
22nd March 2005, 13:29
Some people believe the lie that speed kills. Speed does not kill. they thought that last century when the little man had to walk in front of the car waving the red flag.

They also thought that going too fast would cause your internal organs to implode etc.

In fact speed does not kill. Rapid deceleration does.

Thus any speed is safe.

QED.

Therefore our friend should be able to mount a defence based on that fact.

Also, our Prime Minister, the Rt Hon Helen Clark could be called as a witness, because she obviously subscribes to the same point of view, having travelled perfectly safely and reasonably from South Canterbury to Christchurch at an average speed of 140kph.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 13:33
no it aint a fair comment to make, nowhere did i state that 110 is safer than 160, I just stated that 110 is the fatest I have ever gone and the result of that was probably because I was going downhill.
Can't be fecked re-reading entire post, but gist of what your posts seem to be saying is that you've done 110 on your little bike & that's too fast, and anyone going faster than that is a blithering idiot who deserves a mighty pinch by the law or death.

spudchucka
22nd March 2005, 13:34
In fact speed does not kill. Rapid deceleration does.

You can't achieve one without first indulging in the other. Its a yin & yang thing.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 13:39
In fact speed does not kill. Rapid deceleration does.


Almost right. It is the G-forces that come into play. Because in the case of a speeding object (read vehicle) hitting a person standing in the way, that person's body is subjected to rapid ACCeleration.

outlawtorn
22nd March 2005, 13:51
Can't be fecked re-reading entire post, but gist of what your posts seem to be saying is that you've done 110 on your little bike & that's too fast, and anyone going faster than that is a blithering idiot who deserves a mighty pinch by the law or death.

I first read the post abot the guy getting busted and thought 'what a pity he got nailed' but then on reflection it does serve him right for doing a really high speed limit on our roads.

And I don't give a shit how straight and long our fucking roads are the law is the law and if you are prepared to speed on your bike be prepared to get busted.

As far as going 110 is concerned, once again, I said it because that is the fatest I have gone on my 'little' bike, not to say that it was safe to do so or was it right to do so, I was just stating a fact.

At the end of the day I feel that speeding is dangerous and yes most of you disagree with me and I accept that. I ride like a nana and I accept that. I just don't see any justification for doing 160kph on our roads, sorry but that is my point of view, if you want to speed then save it for a track day or a drag meet.

Like I said in another thread I was travelling back from the Coromandel and encountered a group of riders who were riding recklessly and fast. That's gets my goat as I have my wife and kids in the car with me and their safety is the most important thing in the world to me and it pisses me off when I am trying to reach home safely and some bikers come past who are causing problems for everyone, mainly because of the speed they are travelling through the traffic.

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 13:53
.. I also find the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge. I have been in a car at 160+ and have basically shat myself because it is bloody fast it is nothing compared to 110 ..

WADR, must disagree. It all depends on the road, the vehicle and the circumstances. 160 in the right place, on a fast bike or car is neither here nor there.

Indeed, one of my main objections to the new "no discretion" enforcement is that it is all too easy for the speed to "sneak up" without one realising it. The difference between 100kph and 120kph may be no more than a bit of a downhill, or catching a tail wind.

On the Beammer it's almost impossible to tell the difference between 100 and 140 without looking at the speedo. So I find I have to ride with an almost constant eye on the speedo, which is certainly not safe .


in general I don't exceed the limit by any more than 20kph ever as that is the limit of pain I can stand... Plus any more is a bit irresponsible and can't be sustained for long.

I find that most North Island roads, a comfortable cruising speed is between 80 and 120 kph. So I generally travel between those. Faster is often possible, and not necessarily unsafe, but it's more tiring.

I'm not really into going as fast as possible, I'm more wanting to go at a speed where I can keep up a reasonably steady progress without constantly having to brake and accelerate hard.

Riding as hard as possible becomes very tiring when you're trying to put 600 or 700 km into the day, and repeat it the next day. I don't want to arrive tired and stuffed out. So I settle for a nice "flowing" speed. So overall I think that 100kph is a reasonable figure for the speed limit. But they should reintroduce the discretion factor for the Police.

Paul in NZ
22nd March 2005, 14:05
You can't achieve one without first indulging in the other. Its a yin & yang thing.

Hey! Not fair!! This thread is complicated enough without bringing Billy Connelly and Religion into it...

:apint:

Goodness what a horrible day I'm having at work... aaarrgghhh! Must buy a looto ticket this weekend...

James Deuce
22nd March 2005, 14:09
Almost right. It is the G-forces that come into play. Because in the case of a speeding object (read vehicle) hitting a person standing in the way, that person's body is subjected to rapid ACCeleration.
You're quite right. There is no such thing as deceleration, only varying degrees of positive and negative relative acceleration.

handy_dog
22nd March 2005, 15:06
To those that answered the questions raised; thankyou.
To those that offered advice on the subject of speed :yeah: your points have been taken on board, and will be filed (deep) and referenced as necessary. I broke the rules, and knew the concequences.

It's a shame that in a country as small as ours our polititions have an unhealthy desire to regulate and impose extra costs to those that desire to do anything that might pass as enjoyable or profitable. :brick:
Rht Honerable (there's a joke) Helen. Feel free to kiss my ass next time your through Waimate :shake: but only if you have time to stop.

Lou Girardin
22nd March 2005, 15:12
Offence notice only states "Exceeding 100 Kph"

You lucky bastid. Better than speed dangerous.
Funny how you can get two punishments though, one from the plod and one from the courts.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 15:14
I first read the post abot the guy getting busted and thought 'what a pity he got nailed' but then on reflection it does serve him right for doing a really high speed limit on our roads.

And I don't give a shit how straight and long our fucking roads are the law is the law and if you are prepared to speed on your bike be prepared to get busted.

As far as going 110 is concerned, once again, I said it because that is the fatest I have gone on my 'little' bike, not to say that it was safe to do so or was it right to do so, I was just stating a fact.

At the end of the day I feel that speeding is dangerous and yes most of you disagree with me and I accept that. I ride like a nana and I accept that. I just don't see any justification for doing 160kph on our roads, sorry but that is my point of view, if you want to speed then save it for a track day or a drag meet.

Like I said in another thread I was travelling back from the Coromandel and encountered a group of riders who were riding recklessly and fast. That's gets my goat as I have my wife and kids in the car with me and their safety is the most important thing in the world to me and it pisses me off when I am trying to reach home safely and some bikers come past who are causing problems for everyone, mainly because of the speed they are travelling through the traffic.
I choose to read that with the addition of 'In my opinion', since I wasn't there to compare my interpretation of 'recklessly & fast'. I only take issue with your posts because they mimic what LTSA regales us with in that holier-than-thou way that they have, that speed is the greatest evil faced by modern motorists. It has been amply proved to my mind that speed relative to the conditions is much more of an issue than blindly adhering to someone's idea of a 'safe speed limit'

outlawtorn
22nd March 2005, 15:20
I choose to read that with the addition of 'In my opinion', since I wasn't there to compare my interpretation of 'recklessly & fast'. I only take issue with your posts because they mimic what LTSA regales us with in that holier-than-thou way that they have, that speed is the greatest evil faced by modern motorists. It has been amply proved to my mind that speed relative to the conditions is much more of an issue than blindly adhering to someone's idea of a 'safe speed limit'

Without trying to re-enact the entire fucking thing: there were a few cars behind me and few in front, some bikes came past all of us very fast, overtaking us around blind corners and blind hills trying to keep up with each other. That to me is reckless as these roads are very twisty and dangerous.

I think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about this whole speed thing, and don't fucking lump me in with the LTSA, I have had this opinion for years now even before I came to NZ.

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 15:36
Without trying to re-enact the entire fucking thing: there were a few cars behind me and few in front, some bikes came past all of us very fast, overtaking us around blind corners and blind hills trying to keep up with each other. That to me is reckless as these roads are very twisty and dangerous.

I think you have a huge chip on your shoulder about this whole speed thing, and don't fucking lump me in with the LTSA, I have had this opinion for years now even before I came to NZ.
Your description of circumstance would have me agreeing with the reckless etc stuff. OK? But as for the rest of it, *someone* has a chip on their shoulder alright.

Wolf
22nd March 2005, 16:03
Almost right. It is the G-forces that come into play. Because in the case of a speeding object (read vehicle) hitting a person standing in the way, that person's body is subjected to rapid ACCeleration.
What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...? :p

Mongoose
22nd March 2005, 16:08
What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...? :p


At the point of impact, the human mind, let alone the body, does not have time to factor these things into the equation, if lucky the minds concentrates on "Phhhhhhhaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrk!!" Or "This is gonna hurt" :wari: :yeah:

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 16:37
What about inertia, transfer of energy, conservation of momentum, deformation of soft tissue...? :p
Exactly what I said.... :apint:

scumdog
22nd March 2005, 17:03
You lucky bastid. Better than speed dangerous.
Funny how you can get two punishments though, one from the plod and one from the courts.

Yeah, if you don't like what the cop dished out you can take it to court, of course if you lose you get a second biff from the court in the shape of "court costs" - sort of a tax on a tax some of you might say?

scumdog
22nd March 2005, 17:09
But I was doing 70km/h under the speed limit had it been an open road?!!

The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all! :bleh: :bleh: :laugh: :lol:

MSTRS
22nd March 2005, 17:27
The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all! :bleh: :bleh: :laugh: :lol:
So Traffic Offences are not really what they say they are - more that they are a Stupid Tax. So when will the law(s) be changed to reflect this? New, simplified infringements/penalties would be covered by Slightly Stupid, Stupid, Very Stupid, Shows No Sign Of Brain Activity.

speedpro
22nd March 2005, 18:47
This thread shows up the attitude of those who have no experiance of high performance vehicles and their view of those who use them. They judge their use by those capable of using them against their own limited abilities and experiance.

How can anybody who never exceeds 110kph, even on a 120kph speed limit road, and whose vehicle(s) are barely capable of that speed possibly have any knowledge of what's actually going on. Yes, the riders may have overtaken on a piece of road where from the car drivers view was limited but from the riders position the manoeuvre 'may' have been perfectly reasonable. Same with travelling at speed. If you have NEVER gone fast, especially on/in a performance vehicle, how can you possibly judge the actions of those that do. Example - if you have only ever driven a Vauxhall Viva, then doing 140kph would be a high speed in your experiance and possibly viewed as unsafe, judged by your own experiance. The same speed on something like a ZZR1100 is nearly yawn-inspiring, especially up or down somewhere like the Bombay hills.

I get annoyed :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

madboy
22nd March 2005, 20:30
The speed limit is not actually the one you MUST travel at - just what the polies you lot voted in think is safe at the fastest for you lot - and given the stupidity that 'you lot' exhibit by voting in those polies in I'm surprised they let you move at all! :bleh: :bleh: :laugh: :lol:I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards! :apint:

scumdog
22nd March 2005, 21:02
I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards! :apint:

You mean you and only you voted for them? :spudwhat:

Nobody else on this site appears to be admitting they did!

enigma51
22nd March 2005, 21:05
FYI dude, I achieved 110 going downhill just outside of Auckland on the motorway where it splits to go either to Hamilton or to the Coromandel. I was also with a couple of other KBers as we were on our way to the Toy Run. I also find the difference between 110 and 160 fucking huge. I have been in a car at 160+ and have basically shat myself because it is bloody fast it is nothing compared to 110 and I come from south Africa where the speed is 120kph on the highways.

If you come from sa you should be use to speeding. I never went under 160 in sa unless there it was not safe to speed. The golden rules is to ride speed withing your limit and just so that you know when you someday do buy the bigger bike we will see how you enjoy sitting at 110 when the bike can do about twice that but in a way you are right dont speed when there is cages around you they dont like the fact that they dont have a bike and therefore they want to take it from you with force.


One final thing 98% of all my crashes has happend at belowe the speed limit.


And for the dude that got the fine.... Sorry to hear mate luck was not on your side

Jinx3d
22nd March 2005, 21:26
Gee OUtlawtorn really knows how to bait a thread.

Here's my 2 cents.

Outlawtorn will soon either :
No longer ride bikes, (the first time he falls off)
Be dead at the side of the road.

Staying alive on bike means riding with extra in reserve, How you going to have a reserve at a 100kmph when you have never ridden faster?

Most bike riders crash through loss of confidence and poor understanding of the bikes limits.
Contrary to Mr "we are too dumb to have more than a 1 factor model for road deaths" LTSA, "speeding" isnt above 100kmph or under it - its different on every strectch of road, for every rider, for every time of day, for every level of mental alertness and every bit of luck a guy ever saw.

Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.

speedpro
22nd March 2005, 21:31
I agree with his 2 cents worth

Paul in NZ
22nd March 2005, 21:42
Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.

Bwahahahahahaha! :2thumbsup

Wolf
22nd March 2005, 21:54
I resent your insinuation that I voted for those bastards! :apint:
I agree. I voted for sum bugga called "No Confidence" - he didn't get in tho.

Funkyfly
22nd March 2005, 21:56
Due to reaction time and braking distance travelling at 100kph is often safer than 160kph, and travelling at 80kph is safer than 100kph, travelling at 40kph is safer than 80kph, but even better yet is that going 10kph is safer again!

So if you want your family to be as safe as possible you should put them in a big strong car with 100 airbags, and PUSH them!

Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

madboy
22nd March 2005, 22:01
You mean you and only you voted for them? :spudwhat:

Nobody else on this site appears to be admitting they did!I most certainly did not vote for those useless twats holding power in parliament. But in saying that, I don't think the useless twats I did vote for would do a whole heap about reigning in the LTNZ anyway. They might get a few slackers paying tax instead of living off it and perhaps remove a few of the ethnic advantages a minority of the population has, but I doubt they'd be silly enough to remove the cash cow that the LTNZ has the HP working hard on.

Wolf
22nd March 2005, 22:31
I have ridden a Triumph ST where I thought I was getting on a bit at 100kph when I realised the speedo was in mph (ie 160kph) Because the bike was (to me) so damn good, I was going way faster than I thought!

However, even on a dreadfull old shitter like my Guzzi, if I was blindfolded I'd be hard pressed to 'feel' the difference between 100 and 140....
I can well believe that from my own experience - on an old 1 litre beemer, not a modern race machine, I couldn't feel the difference between 80km/h and 128km/h - not in perceived acceleration, handling or braking. Yet I've also owned bikes where you could feel the difference between 90 and 100km/h.

I've never exceeded 140km/h - CB550, and I could feel each additional km/h over 130 - but I dare say if I had a BMW R100 or similar in good condition I would be tempted to give it a few turns of the throttle under the right conditions... just to see if 160 "feels like 100".

Indoo
22nd March 2005, 23:28
Personaly thinking back to my younger/stupider days im kinda agreeing with a few of you guys, but literally having to pick whats left of knee joints and other body parts off roads after high speed 'accidents' has certainly changed my mind.

Everyone thinks that they are safe travelling at high speed, because of course we are all the worlds best drivers.

However since having a family i view the roads as having a purpose of travelling to my destination and back again with our lives stilll intact.

You may wanna travel at 160kmh + but the simple fact remains that your chance of having an accident or failing to avoid one, increases at an incredible rate the faster you go

As far as im concerned people who purposely put others lives at risk by travelling at excessive speed are nothing more than scum. Get your jollys or your kicks from doing something that doesn't have an effect on other people,

If you hit me or my family cos your riding like a cock theres definately gonna be an 'accident'....

Ixion
22nd March 2005, 23:48
Due to reaction time and braking distance travelling at 100kph is often safer than 160kph, and travelling at 80kph is safer than 100kph, travelling at 40kph is safer than 80kph, but even better yet is that going 10kph is safer again!

So if you want your family to be as safe as possible you should put them in a big strong car with 100 airbags, and PUSH them!

Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

The guaranteed survival speed for a car, let alone a bike is *very* low. About 10mph from memory. *Any* speed over that is dangerous to some extent.

Anyone really hung up about it should not ride a bike. Full stop. Because 100 kph is *NOT SAFE*. I really can't understand why people can't grasp this. Hit a solid object at 100kph and you will die. Therefore if you do ride a bike the only thing you can do is *not hit things*.

This is why the "faster you go the bigger the mess" argument is flawed. Sure, impact energy at 160kph is greater then at 100kph. But impact energy at 100kph is not survivable anyway, and is greater than at 80kph. Which in turn is greaer than at 70 etc. If you accept that the reason for a speed limit is to "reduce the mess to guaranteed survival level", then the speed limit has to be about 10kph.

This is of course absurd, and no-one (I hope) is silly enough to seriously sugest it.

So the reality is that the speed limit is a trade off. On the one hand , greater risk of injury. On the other the practicality of life, wasted time, cost etc etc.

One can perfectly well argue that 100kph is the appropriate tradeoff point. But one can equally well argue that 80kph is the appropriate tradeoff point. Myrtle would probably argue that 40kph is the appropriate tradeoff point.

With complete validity, one could also argue that 120kph is the appropriate trade off point. 120kph is as valid an opinion as 100, or 80.

200kph would probbaly be considered as unrealistic as 40, but different people can have equally valid opinions for a wide range of tradeoff points between the extremes.

Which is also why I think the "no discretion" position of the HP is wrong

RDJ
23rd March 2005, 00:09
Admitting you do 110 (which is already breaking the legal limit) and blagging someone that got pinged for 160. That means you have already ignored the legal limit and so physics aside are we are just talking about a sliding scale of comfort and illegality... Cheers

Too true. Once we go over the speed limit we really can no longer throw stones at other speeders... and on a bike the likelihood of collateral damage is far less than in a cage. Not to support speeding builtup areas / blind corners etc. but speeding is less of an absolute offence than some people may think.

As they say (and no offense to anyone with a drinking problem) "An alcoholic is a man who drinks more than his doctor" - so "you're speeding whenever you're going faster than me".

JMO...

outlawtorn
23rd March 2005, 07:47
If you come from sa you should be use to speeding......
Why? Don't generalise that all people from SA are used to speeding. :nono:


Gee OUtlawtorn really knows how to bait a thread.
Here's my 2 cents.
Outlawtorn will soon either :
No longer ride bikes, (the first time he falls off)
Be dead at the side of the road.
Thanks for your vote of confidence, with bikers around like you no wonder most bikers have a reputation of being pricks.


Oh yeah, and you're a big effen pussy as well. Enjoy your threesome, and dont forget to register them every year.
Once again thank you for coming up with a constructive point to this discussion. If you are ever lying on the side of the road and on fire, please remind me to piss on you. :finger:


Personaly thinking back to my younger/stupider days im kinda agreeing with a few of you guys, but literally having to pick whats left of knee joints and other body parts off roads after high speed 'accidents' has certainly changed my mind.

Everyone thinks that they are safe travelling at high speed, because of course we are all the worlds best drivers.

However since having a family i view the roads as having a purpose of travelling to my destination and back again with our lives stilll intact.

You may wanna travel at 160kmh + but the simple fact remains that your chance of having an accident or failing to avoid one, increases at an incredible rate the faster you go

As far as im concerned people who purposely put others lives at risk by travelling at excessive speed are nothing more than scum. Get your jollys or your kicks from doing something that doesn't have an effect on other people,

If you hit me or my family cos your riding like a cock theres definately gonna be an 'accident'....
Finally someone who can actually see both sides of the story too.

What I gather from all the shit I have taken in this thread is that there are some bikers who believe speed doesn't kill, that's fine by me, speed by yourself and stay the fuck away from me and my family/friends and anyone else for that matter.
And there are some bikers who believe that there is nothing wrong with sticking to the speed limit and aboeying the rules of the road.

So I can see both points of view but I choose to not speed, so please children, enough of the insults and wishing my death etc etc.

I still somehow feel I'll get flack no matter what I say from no on....

scumdog
23rd March 2005, 07:56
Dont waste your breath knocking bikers who hit 160kph on a long straight streatch of road with only one other car on it, casue your gonna need as much air as you can get pushin your family around.

Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress? :shit: :yeah:

speedpro
23rd March 2005, 08:06
Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress? :shit: :yeah:

30 years riding and that's been the case so far. The only impediment to progress was a single car on a long straight otherwise deserted road on a nice sunny day who did a right turn just as I was overtaking. I was doing about 110Kmh, I'd slowed down to overtake the car, headlight on, and indicating. If I'd kept the speed up I would have been past before 'she' turned.

Funkyfly
23rd March 2005, 08:09
Finally someone who can actually see both sides of the story too.

What I gather from all the shit I have taken in this thread is that there are some bikers who believe speed doesn't kill, that's fine by me, speed by yourself and stay the fuck away from me and my family/friends and anyone else for that matter.
And there are some bikers who believe that there is nothing wrong with sticking to the speed limit and aboeying the rules of the road.

So I can see both points of view but I choose to not speed, so please children, enough of the insults and wishing my death etc etc.

I still somehow feel I'll get flack no matter what I say from no on....

Dude most people here can see both sides, heck you really think your so much better, or experienced than most here to be the only one? Your statements indicate this, intentional or not.

In fact i would say its your lack of experience on the road/on a bike that blinds your thinking, thus compelling you to make some broad statements that categorize most riders here as wanton killers.

your fresh around these parts, if you dont want to invoke the wrath of the group open your eyes and realise there are riders here that have been around the block a couple of times, have familes also, and have seen first hand crashes.

If you still think you are some kind of special rider that makes the world a better place just keep it to yourself.

Better to be thought an idiot than opening your mouth and proving it.

Funkyfly
23rd March 2005, 08:20
Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress? :shit: :yeah:


I read your reply then read your signature "life is not a rehearsal" , it made me laugh.

If you want to enjoy yourself riding you cant spend the entire time wondering what if? or trying to rehearse every possible little outcome!

Hell a jet could fall out of the sky, the only way to "know" one isnt is to keep looking up, but then you cant see the road.

no one "knows" anything, therefore you shouldnt have had driven to work this morning, a drunk could be driving home and hit you! after all you never know!

I suggest you change your sig.

outlawtorn
23rd March 2005, 08:34
Obviously I must keep my opinions to myself then? Damn I wish I had known! How dare I say something from my point of view!

Dude most people here can see both sides, heck you really think your so much better, or experienced than most here to be the only one? Your statements indicate this, intentional or not.

In fact i would say its your lack of experience on the road/on a bike that blinds your thinking, thus compelling you to make some broad statements that categorize most riders here as wanton killers.

your fresh around these parts, if you dont want to invoke the wrath of the group open your eyes and realise there are riders here that have been around the block a couple of times, have familes also, and have seen first hand crashes.

If you still think you are some kind of special rider that makes the world a better place just keep it to yourself.

Better to be thought an idiot than opening your mouth and proving it.
I don't think I am any better than anyone in this group and I know I still have a lot to learn, but my experience draws from driving in cars and riding bikes.

If I am an idiot for opening my mouth and expressing my views then so be it, but I will always say what I feel, wrath of the group/certain individuals or not.

outlawtorn
23rd March 2005, 08:35
I read your reply then read your signature "life is not a rehearsal" , it made me laugh.

If you want to enjoy yourself riding you cant spend the entire time wondering what if? or trying to rehearse every possible little outcome!

Hell a jet could fall out of the sky, the only way to "know" one isnt is to keep looking up, but then you cant see the road.

no one "knows" anything, therefore you shouldnt have had driven to work this morning, a drunk could be driving home and hit you! after all you never know!

I suggest you change your sig.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Ixion
23rd March 2005, 08:41
Of course the rider doing 160kph just "knew" that there was absolutely NO other cars/bikes/stock etc in the area or likely to suddenly 'appear' and to 'impede' his/her progress? :shit: :yeah:

Well, yes, yes sometimes you do . They don't actually appear out of thin air.

And if another vehicle does enter the picture, then you slow down.

And if other cars/bikes/stock can appear unexpectedly (because there are side roads etc) then 100kph is too fast.

I repeat what I said before. 160 kph is *NOT SAFE* . 100kph is *NOT SAFE*. If you need a guarantee of absolute safety then don't ride a bike. (or drive a car for that matter). End of story.

Sticking to some magical speed limit number doesn't mean you are safe . The safe speed lkimit is 10 kph.

Funkyfly
23rd March 2005, 08:42
Obviously I must keep my opinions to myself then? Damn I wish I had known! How dare I say something from my point of view!

I don't think I am any better than anyone in this group and I know I still have a lot to learn, but my experience draws from driving in cars and riding bikes.

If I am an idiot for opening my mouth and expressing my views then so be it, but I will always say what I feel, wrath of the group/certain individuals or not.

If you read my post, i didnt say you had to keep opinions to yourself, i was referring to your idea of being the ONLY one who can see the light as it were(im the only one to see the correct point of view), cause your wrong and you will just piss people off, due to the fact you were bemoaning the "shit" you were taking i was simply saying that your getting it because many feel your views are narrow minded, and by attacking riders you havent met, myself included as i have been known to travel over 100kph, you most likely going to get an ear bashing.

Express your opinions, thats what this forum is for, but dont moan about the crap you get!

inlinefour
23rd March 2005, 09:17
Everyone breaks the law at some stage. Period. Whether its going 1KM over the limit, running a red light, orange light, not going past a school bus or crossing at the right speed. Its becomes a total problem when an individual continues to do it because they have not learnt from their mistakes. However no one has the right to judge another for breaking it once, well except the judge...
I sympathise with the owner of the rather large speeding ticket and I'm sure, like stated before, many of use could have been in that predicament at some stage.
Yes, your going to be working a while to pay the fine off, I have not idea how long, just that it'll be long and expensive. You are allready having to walk as they have taken your licience away and that can be the bit that hurts the most. Does that mean that you have to restart the licience program again and get a learners? That would be the worse bit of all.
However you appear to be taking it on the chin and standing up for your wrong doings, good on you mate. :niceone:
As for those who are bagging this person, do you not really get out much? Whos' place is it really for you to judge?? :confused:

scumdog
23rd March 2005, 09:20
Well, yes, yes sometimes you do . They don't actually appear out of thin air.

And if another vehicle does enter the picture, then you slow down.
.

Hah! the cemeteries have lots of people put there by cars/trucks that appeared out of "thin air".

And sometimes when another vehicle enters the picture you slow down because you are embedded in said vehicle.

Do/say what you want but the above DOES happen.

scumdog
23rd March 2005, 09:28
I read your reply then read your signature "life is not a rehearsal" , it made me laugh.

If you want to enjoy yourself riding you cant spend the entire time wondering what if? or trying to rehearse every possible little outcome!

Hell a jet could fall out of the sky, the only way to "know" one isnt is to keep looking up, but then you cant see the road.

no one "knows" anything, therefore you shouldnt have had driven to work this morning, a drunk could be driving home and hit you! after all you never know!

I suggest you change your sig.

At my age you realise that all you said above COULD happen, unlikely but still possible.

I'm just trying to temper "lets go out and be idiots 'cos nothing's going to happen" with "hey, have fun but have a little caution and be wary eh?" :niceone:

If I was as paranoid and scared as bad as you say then I sure as hell would not be on a highway on anything as risky as a motorbike, I'd be in a HumVee wouldn't I? :yeah:

P.S. I moved down here to get away from jets and the risk of falling engines!!- and I try to remove as many drunks from the road as possible! (PT)

Ixion
23rd March 2005, 09:29
Hah! the cemeteries have lots of people put there by cars/trucks that appeared out of "thin air".

And sometimes when another vehicle enters the picture you slow down because you are embedded in said vehicle.

Do/say what you want but the above DOES happen.

Well, I've never seen one, in 40 years of riding . Every hazard I've ever encountered has been predictable (of course there are a bazillion times I predicted a hazard which didn't appear, so I slowed down unnecessarily. )

And if hazards are going to materialise out of the aether they will presumably do so at 100kph also

The cemeteries are more full of people who assumed that because they were sticking to the speed limit they were automagically safe

scumdog
23rd March 2005, 09:36
The cemeteries are more full of people who assumed that because they were sticking to the speed limit they were "automagically" safe

Ah, I see where they went wrong, they trusted this "automagic" stuff you mentioned, do not trust it and go soothingly by lest you disturb the skid demon!

However autosol is a mighty fine polish!

And to finish: Yeah, some of those people WERE sticking to the "safe" speed limit but were cleaned up by somebody else that wasn't :weep:

MSTRS
23rd March 2005, 09:48
Yeah, some of those people WERE sticking to the "safe" speed limit but were cleaned up by somebody else that wasn't :weep:
Or was, but something else put it's nasty little spoke into the mix. Let's face it...no matter what you do out there, WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

Wolf
23rd March 2005, 12:05
Hah! the cemeteries have lots of people put there by cars/trucks that appeared out of "thin air".
"It appeared out of thin air" = I had my head so far up my arse I can't see daylight = I was not paying attention to the potential risks = I was driving/riding beyond my capacity at the time.

"Magically appearing vehicles" belong to the same category of creature as trees that "leap out into the road" - they occur when the driver is not paying attention.

In my 20-odd years' experience (a lot less than many people here, I acknowledge) leads me to believe that cars/trucks (and many other things) appear out of driveways and side roads, over the crests of hills, from around blind corners or other vehicles or other obstructions to vision - but never out of thin air... and if I have not recognised the potential for something to "appear" in front of me and taken precautions then that is my own stupid fault.

Sometimes I can even manage to avoid the ones who appear from behind me out of my blind spot - you know, the ones who should have been taking precautions because of my presence in front of them.

Anyone who claims the object "just appeared" in front of them should not have been in charge of a vehicle at that time. Note: I am not talking about being broadsided, blind-sided or arse ended by idiots here, I am talking about failing to see the potential for someone or something (behaving either responsibly or foolishly) to suddenly "appear" in front of your vehicle.

I always assume that the driver approaching on a side road is a total fuckwit and is not going to give way - I've slowed down unnecessarily a lot of times but I've also avoided a few accidents that way because a couple of times, I've been right.

FYI I was doing 100km/h on those occasions and slowed down further - if I had hit the idiot, I would still have died at that "safe" 80-90km/h.

EDIT: And no "dis" intended of people who do see the threat but hit it anyway (most of us have done that, I know I have) - just those who claim it appeared out of "thin air".

speedpro
23rd March 2005, 12:38
Which reminds me of the recent incident in another thread where the rider ran into the back of a 'stationary' station wagon leading up to the AK harbour bridge. My sympathy to all involved, but what the hell was he doing?

Ixion
23rd March 2005, 12:38
"It appeared out of thin air" = I had my head so far up my arse I can't see daylight = I was not paying attention to the potential risks = I was driving/riding beyond my capacity at the time.

"Magically appearing vehicles" belong to the same category of creature as trees that "leap out into the road" - they occur when the driver is not paying attention.

In my 20-odd years' experience (a lot less than many people here, I acknowledge) leads me to believe that cars/trucks (and many other things) appear out of driveways and side roads, over the crests of hills, from around blind corners or other vehicles or other obstructions to vision - but never out of thin air... and if I have not recognised the potential for something to "appear" in front of me and taken precautions then that is my own stupid fault.

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I always assume that the driver approaching on a side road is a total fuckwit and is not going to give way - I've slowed down unnecessarily a lot of times but I've also avoided a few accidents that way because a couple of times, I've been right.
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What he said.

Actually, it's pretty much in the road Code. Ensure you can stop in half the clear road ahead. Just take it that a bit of road with a side access (farm gate, sideroad, house, driveway *ANYTHING* ; as well as bends, hill tops etc ) is *NOT* clear road. Unless/until you can see down it and ensure that it's clear.

Then the magically appearing hazards will stop appearing.

Only exception is feral animals and birds, which *can* appear out of nowhere (ie the grass at the roadside) . But they are not usually a too bad a hazard

Incidentally, in my experience this means travelling at **LESS** than 100kph on a lot of roads . So be it. And I will pull over and let you past.

And as Mr Wolf notes, it means a lot of slowing down for hazards that never actually appear . Again, so be it.

Just remember when slowing down for a hazard that might be, to watch the rear, cages won't be expecting you to slow down.

Paul in NZ
23rd March 2005, 13:14
Well all this is well and good...

But the central question is, does occasionally riding at high speed make you a menace. I still say no, it does not, provided you pick your moments to do so.

However like all good arguments, we seem to have polarised opinion with extreme examples.

Let me just say this.

Yes, in the past, I have ridden very fast, in fact, as fast as my bike can go (ie not very fast at all) and in all likelyhood, some time in the distant future, I might do that again. That alone does not make me a danger to peoples families because, as others can assure you, I am a very conservative rider. If I'm uncomfortable with doing something, I don't do it. If I can't see around the bend, I don't go... Yes, sometimes I screw up, but I'm human after all...

What amazes me is that I will ride with people, who I KNOW have inferior bike control, judgement, ability, roadcraft (whatever you want to call it) and they are totally comfortable passing on the centre line into oncoming traffic at 120 plus on SH1. That gives me the screaming hebes as I'm then placing my life in the hands of 2 motorists. Crazy!

Now, sometimes, if I'm driving the car I see a biker doing something that seems nuts to me.. Yet when I'm riding, I revel in the higher seat, better visibility and superior agility of the bike and I can pass safely in places where I would never dream of passing in my car... Does that make me a killer?

I have ridden with people on this forum that can out ride me a 100%. They have bikes that are faster in second gear than mine is if it were dropped off a cliff and they are plenty fast... But they are usually pretty safe with it too. I can't begin to understand how they manage it, but I don't need to do I?

So yes, I ride fast sometimes, but always with consideration to the location, conditions and other people. Same deal, I have a pretty loud bike, it's old and time (and a big drill) has not been kind to what were pretty flimsy mufflers in the first place. I don't start it after 8:30 at home as next door have a school age child, I don't ride loudly in built up areas (ie choose a higher gear if I can) and try to be considerate.

Just because someone does something you don't understand or can't do, does not make them dangerous.....

Paul N

Funkyfly
23rd March 2005, 13:53
Well all this is well and good...

But the central question is, does occasionally riding at high speed make you a menace. I still say no, it does not, provided you pick your moments to do so.

However like all good arguments, we seem to have polarised opinion with extreme examples.

Let me just say this.

Yes, in the past, I have ridden very fast, in fact, as fast as my bike can go (ie not very fast at all) and in all likelyhood, some time in the distant future, I might do that again. That alone does not make me a danger to peoples families because, as others can assure you, I am a very conservative rider. If I'm uncomfortable with doing something, I don't do it. If I can't see around the bend, I don't go... Yes, sometimes I screw up, but I'm human after all...

What amazes me is that I will ride with people, who I KNOW have inferior bike control, judgement, ability, roadcraft (whatever you want to call it) and they are totally comfortable passing on the centre line into oncoming traffic at 120 plus on SH1. That gives me the screaming hebes as I'm then placing my life in the hands of 2 motorists. Crazy!

Now, sometimes, if I'm driving the car I see a biker doing something that seems nuts to me.. Yet when I'm riding, I revel in the higher seat, better visibility and superior agility of the bike and I can pass safely in places where I would never dream of passing in my car... Does that make me a killer?

I have ridden with people on this forum that can out ride me a 100%. They have bikes that are faster in second gear than mine is if it were dropped off a cliff and they are plenty fast... But they are usually pretty safe with it too. I can't begin to understand how they manage it, but I don't need to do I?

So yes, I ride fast sometimes, but always with consideration to the location, conditions and other people. Same deal, I have a pretty loud bike, it's old and time (and a big drill) has not been kind to what were pretty flimsy mufflers in the first place. I don't start it after 8:30 at home as next door have a school age child, I don't ride loudly in built up areas (ie choose a higher gear if I can) and try to be considerate.

Just because someone does something you don't understand or can't do, does not make them dangerous.....

Paul N

This could not be put any better! Bang on dude.

handy_dog
23rd March 2005, 15:22
[QUOTE=Honda]Everyone breaks the law at some stage. Period. Whether its going 1KM over the limit, running a red light, orange light, not going past a school bus or crossing at the right speed. Its becomes a total problem when an individual continues to do it because they have not learnt from their mistakes. However no one has the right to judge another for breaking it once, well except the judge...

You are allready having to walk as they have taken your licience away and that can be the bit that hurts the most.

The bit that hurts the most is when the skinny push-bike seat tries jam itself between your cheks... And I thought the Honda seat was hard after a 300k ride. Ha :scooter:

Paul in NZ
23rd March 2005, 15:31
Nah mate - get one of those padded chamois lined tight bike pants. The gay guy at the local bike shop will give you a personal fitting....

Motoracer
23rd March 2005, 15:44
Good to see that the majority in here are sensible and in touch with reality.

handy_dog
25th September 2007, 08:24
Thought for the benifit of any one that wondered the penalty for being clocked at 168 on the open road.....
#1 Check at your local AA a couple of days after you get the instant walk from the cop to see if your suspension has been recorded on the LTSA system ( I walked 28 days and when i went to the AA to request it back i was told that there was no record on the system to say it had been suspended) Seems the cop forgot to enter it.....

The charge was exceeding 1000 kph..... fine $1000 + $230 costs & No walk

Seems the letter from my employer and one from a pycolgist saying i was under a bit of stress at the time helped.

Oh yehhh...... + one hell of an ear bashing from the judge

nodrog
25th September 2007, 08:38
The charge was exceeding 1000 kph.....

fark thats some bike you have there

Her_C4
25th September 2007, 08:38
The charge was exceeding 1000 kph.....

:msn-wink: on ya' :gob: maybe you could give the racers some pointers??

Grub
25th September 2007, 08:39
The charge was exceeding 100 kph..... fine $1000 + $230 costs & No walk

Wow, you are one lucky dude! Nice one HD. OK the fine's not cheap but you should be walking for sure.

BTW, what was the outcome of the 28day thing? Did you have to wait another 28days or did they back date it to when you got the ticket?

marty
25th September 2007, 08:51
regardless of whether it's entered or not, the suspension is complete at the roadside. you might get away with being checked a few days later out on the roadside if it's not entered, but further down the trail (like when the ticket is being entered a few days later) it would be picked up, and there'd be a knock at your door with handcuffs for you and a towtruck for your ride........

the situation could be that the cop picked you up late in his last shift, and was going on days off, and hadn't got around to entering you - was going to do it when he got back to work 2 or 3 days later. as soon as he entered you he would see that you had been stopped in the meantime.

NighthawkNZ
25th September 2007, 09:05
Don't know how to respond to this one, on one hand I feel like saying:
'sorry dude, bad luck that you got caught'
on the other hand though I am tempted to say
'tough shit, it's your own fault, you could've killed yourself or worse, someone else'.

I say this because I've come back from the Coromandel this weekend with my wife and kids in the car and I had the experience of a few riders riding fucking recklessly past me through dangerous corners and blind hills, all at blistering speeds and that pisses me off, because there is no need for that kind of riding especially around cars, no wonder these speed freaks end up in hospital or coffins, you ride like fucking lunatics around people who do not know how to react to bikes.

I agree there is a time and place... and that place is the track for that kind of speed speed, heck on the track go faster... but not the open road.

Do this shit you give all bikers a bad name. People remember the one bike doing stupid shit, but don't remember or even see the 500 other bikers being responsable then we all get put in a class and people think all bikers do this...


Time and place


tough luck

peasea
25th September 2007, 14:33
I agree there is a time and place... and that place is the track for that kind of speed speed, heck on the track go faster... but not the open road.

Do this shit you give all bikers a bad name. People remember the one bike doing stupid shit, but don't remember or even see the 500 other bikers being responsable then we all get put in a class and people think all bikers do this...


Time and place


tough luck


Yup, some bikers give the public a very bad perception of the overall picture.

Coming back from the Coromandel last summer we were going away from Paeroa when everyone else was heading toward the town for the races. We could NOT believe what some riders were doing and where (and the speed) they were doing it. Many without their lights on. I don't mean 111kph-ers I mean seriously high speeds with some very close calls gap-wise. I'm glad we didn't share the road with these people AFTER the races.

Some days you just scratch your head.

handy_dog
25th September 2007, 14:38
My appologies... extra 0 slipped in hahaha

It took a further six weeks AFTER the 28 day walk, and plenty of bitching to the police to get the offence entered so that the LTSA could release my licence to me. They would not release because they had no record on the system as to why they had recieved it.

pritch
25th September 2007, 14:46
Yup, some bikers give the public a very bad perception of the overall picture.


Actually, I've met very few of any other kind :-)

Somebody here used to have a signature line to the effect that anybody slower than you is stupid and anybody faster than you is an idiot. In this case we would almost all automatically be consigned to the latter category.

It is just possible though that there are varying degrees of idiocy?

peasea
25th September 2007, 17:35
Actually, I've met very few of any other kind :-)

Somebody here used to have a signature line to the effect that anybody slower than you is stupid and anybody faster than you is an idiot. In this case we would almost all automatically be consigned to the latter category.

It is just possible though that there are varying degrees of idiocy?

Said the 'geriatric hoon'.

Max Preload
27th September 2007, 09:54
...I've never been pinged at that sorta speed so can't give you any real advice...

Me either, that I know of... :shifty:

kiwi cowboy
27th September 2007, 20:07
Nah mate - get one of those padded chamois lined tight bike pants. The gay guy at the local bike shop will give you a personal fitting....

faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrk thats scary lol:bleh::buggerd::buggerd::buggerd:

Renegade
29th September 2007, 12:03
So what you're saying is, your bike has a 'gay limiter' that keeps kicking in when you ride it?

:shake:

hahahahaha arhhh hahahahaha

Pixie
8th October 2007, 09:50
the situation could be that the cop picked you up late in his last shift, and was going on days off, and hadn't got around to entering you - was going to do it when he got back to work 2 or 3 days later. as soon as he entered you he would see that you had been stopped in the meantime.

The dirty bastards!
Are they doing this sort of stuff now?
I thought Rickards was a total pig,but this beats anything he did.I suppose they handcuff their victims.put a ball gag in their mouths and leave them in the basement for a few days till they are ready to do their dirty deeds.I saw Pulp fiction.

I suppose the victim and the cop both "squeal like a pig - Eeeeee"

scumdog
8th October 2007, 10:03
The dirty bastards!
Are they doing this sort of stuff now?
I thought Rickards was a total pig,but this beats anything he did.I suppose they handcuff their victims.put a ball gag in their mouths and leave them in the basement for a few days till they are ready to do their dirty deeds.I saw Pulp fiction.

I suppose the victim and the cop both "squeal like a pig - Eeeeee"

Not a 'not fair' bleat from YOU surely??

Still, I guess everybody hopes that when they're in the doo-doo some sort of hiccup in the system is going to 'save their ass' (Sorry Mr.H.)