Pregnant visitors to NZ not allowed to stay and give birth

[PrincessBandit]

I see again the issue of heavily pregnant visitors to NZ being brought to our attention in the media. One has been allowed to stay as any travel could be injurious to the baby's health (a Lithuanian woman, heavily pregnant); another, a Korean woman has been told to leave.

What is it with heavily pregnant women coming to NZ if not for the possibility of being able to give birth here and therefore claim citizenship for their kids? Obviously there will always be unforeseen situations where a pregnancy might result in premature delivery in a foreign country, but to travel overseas once "heavily" pregnant (implying that you are most likely in the last trimester, or due to drop your bundle soon) makes me wonder about motives.

The health system seems to struggle with providing sufficient resources for NZ women to enjoy adequate birth care (I remember being "asked" to leave the hospital, nicely I might add, the day after giving birth to my son due to more pregnant ladies arriving, and him being my second child).

What makes it so appealing for women to come here and use our burdened hospital facilities when they should be giving birth in their own countries? The same could be said for any number of medical issues - foreigners coming to take advantage of our health system here in the hope that they'll get better care than in their own country. Yet we hardly have an ideal system even to provide for our own population.

Grrrrr.

[Katman]

(I remember being "asked" to leave the hospital, nicely I might add, the day after giving birth to my son due to more pregnant ladies arriving, and him being my second child).



I'd have asked you to make sure my dinner was on the table that night.

[Mikkel]

What makes it so appealing for women to come here and use our burdened hospital facilities when they should be giving birth in their own countries? The same could be said for any number of medical issues - foreigners coming to take advantage of our health system here in the hope that they'll get better care than in their own country.

I suppose some people are just masochists.

[firefighter]

It's purely for citizenship..........

Like the south americans do to the U.S.

[MsKABC]

I don't think being born in NZ is any guarantee of citizenship these days.

[Finn]

I don't think being born in NZ is any guarantee of citizenship these days.

I'm still waiting to be deported.

[MsKABC]

I'm still waiting to be deported.

Well, all we can do is hope and pray ;)

[slofox]

I'd have asked you to make sure my dinner was on the table that night.

...and you'd probably have ended up wearing said dinner...:devil2:

[mynameis]

It's purely for citizenship..........



Wrong, laws have been changed now, people used to do that 10-15 years ago then their entire extended family became NZ citizens. Not any more.

Question is why has she been travelling when she's been "heavily" pregnant?

[johan]

A newborn doesn't automatically become a NZ citizen just because they are born here. The laws changed 2006.

http://www.citizenship.govt.nz/diawebsite.nsf/wpg_URL/Whats-new-Changes-to-Citizenship-by-Birth-in-New-Zealand-from-2006-FAQs?OpenDocument

[firefighter]

Wrong, laws have been changed now, people used to do that 10-15 years ago then their entire extended family became NZ citizens. Not any more.

Question is why has she been travelling when she's been "heavily" pregnant?

Maybe she was unaware of NZ's laws pertaining to this and expected citizenship?

[mynameis]

Maybe she was unaware of NZ's laws pertaining to this and expected citizenship?

Maybe.

Just like you.

[firefighter]

Maybe.

Just like you.

Precisely, I was actually going to add (as was I) to my post but couldn't be bothered......

[NDORFN]

It takes "Shit in your own yard" to a new level.

[PrincessBandit]

I'd have asked you to make sure my dinner was on the table that night.

Cook your own fricken eggs Jake. :dodge:

[R6_kid]

Wrong, laws have been changed now, people used to do that 10-15 years ago then their entire extended family became NZ citizens. Not any more.

Is that how you got in?


Question is why has she been travelling when she's been "heavily" pregnant?

Ask your mum why she did it?

:Pokey:

[Swoop]

...makes me wonder about motives.
The premise of citizenship is the main issue. An "industry", if you like.
Then there is the issue of access into Australia...

[BiK3RChiK]

I thought that women in their 3rd trimester weren't allowed to fly by the airline companies.

It seems weird to me why women would put the stress on their unborn children and themselves.

[MsKABC]

As I understand it from the news story, she wasn't heavily pregnant when she arrived here for a 4 month holiday. During her stay, a problem was identified with her pregnancy and she was advised not to travel. Totally understandable by the sounds of it. Her insurance company will cover the medical costs and she will return home after the birth.

[Starky307]

The reason they come here is simple. As bad as our health system may look to us, it's a hell of a lot better than anything they may have in their own country.

[Solly]

Go plant their seeds somewhere else....we have enough bludgers in this country

[ynot slow]

As I understand it from the news story, she wasn't heavily pregnant when she arrived here for a 4 month holiday. During her stay, a problem was identified with her pregnancy and she was advised not to travel. Totally understandable by the sounds of it. Her insurance company will cover the medical costs and she will return home after the birth.

Yes that is the story,and they added NZ citizenship won't happen.

[YellowDog]

Cook your own fricken eggs Jake. :dodge:
:jerry::jerry::jerry::jerry:

I understand that you can fly (in Europe) up to 2 weeks before full term.

I guess the months must have just passed without her noticing her belly was getting bigger.

She must know her baby will not have any rights to NZ Citizenship.

What a bunch of piss takers.

[Marmoot]

Question is why has she been travelling when she's been "heavily" pregnant?

According to one of the news, she wasn't heavily when she travelled here.

[birdhandler]

As a non resident she will be expected to pay for her hospital costs however the $$ are not requested up front.
I would like to add that although it will not go down well that we have a health system doing its best for mother and baby and trying to collect the $$ . immigatration could have done a better job here me thinks

[mynameis]

Is that how you got in?



Ask your mum why she did it?

:Pokey:

No Fat Boy because dumb people like you can't run your own country.

[sunhuntin]

According to one of the news, she wasn't heavily when she travelled here.

makes ya wonder wtf she thought would happen to her pregnancy wise on a 4 month holiday.

[Swoop]

As I understand it from the news story, she wasn't heavily pregnant when she arrived here for a 4 month holiday.


makes ya wonder wtf she thought would happen to her pregnancy wise on a 4 month holiday.
What everyone has overlooked, is the fact that the lady travelled for a short term visit here - then became an overstayer who wouldn't leave. Now the bleeding heart brigade has arrived and cranked up the propaganda about how she is being hard done by our system.
Pahleeease...

[MsKABC]

What everyone has overlooked, is the fact that the lady travelled for a short term visit here - then became an overstayer who wouldn't leave. Now the bleeding heart brigade has arrived and cranked up the propaganda about how she is being hard done by our system.
Pahleeease...

She didn't leave because flying would have put her unborn child at risk. I would have done the same thing. Where is your compassion dude? :no:

[Pixie]

The reason they come here is simple. As bad as our health system may look to us, it's a hell of a lot better than anything they may have in their own country.

Lithuania is an EU member,I'm sure a Euro citizen has no trouble getting good medical care.

[Pixie]

She didn't leave because flying would have put her unborn child at risk. I would have done the same thing. Where is your compassion dude? :no:

It's in his arse,with his head.

[Marmoot]

makes ya wonder wtf she thought would happen to her pregnancy wise on a 4 month holiday.

It's normal for visa to be given longer than the planned visit. There is nothing to imply that she planned to stay for 4 months; she could've planned to stay for 1 month holiday and got a visa/permit valid for 4 months before finding out that there is a complication to the pregnancy that prevented her from taking a flight out.

However, that's not how I see it. It is merely a possible hypothesis which means we can't judge her solely based on what information is floating in the media.

Those that do and spew out all sorts of accusations and bloody-prego-go-home chant really disgust me. Wait till your wife lays bleeding in a foreign land and see if you want the locals to say the same.

[MsKABC]

Those that do and spew out all sorts of accusations and bloody-prego-go-home chant really disgust me. Wait till your wife lays bleeding in a foreign land and see if you want the locals to say the same.

Ed Zachary!

[ynot slow]

It's not costing us a thing,she has comprehensive travel insurance(so she says) and had problems in March preventing her from going home flying whilst pregnant,moral of story is take medical insurance when travelling.

[FROSTY]

Typical media spin doctoring I say >or mountain out of molehill.
On the face of it a decision was made based on the LAW. On apeal due to medical reasons the decision was reversed. The woman wants to go home ffs.

[Swoop]

She didn't leave because flying would have put her unborn child at risk.
A tourist for a certain amount of time, then chose to become an overstayer. If an individual cannot fly then a ship would have been an alternative if a person really couldn't fly.

It's in his arse,with his head.
:crybaby:
Awww. My feeling is all hurt now.

[Crisis management]

She didn't leave because flying would have put her unborn child at risk. I would have done the same thing. Where is your compassion dude? :no:

C'mon, she won't fly because she has high blood pressure. Lots of heavily pregnant women fly with high blood pressure and, before you shoot me down, this piece of info is from the high commander (the wife) a midwife and used to all sorts scudding in from pacific islands in all states of pregnancy and poor health. From the herald article it appears as meerly an excuse to use our already overcrowded facilities.

[Marmoot]

A tourist for a certain amount of time, then chose to become an overstayer. If an individual cannot fly then a ship would have been an alternative if a person really couldn't fly.

What a daft observation implied by literal analysis of the media words. It's travelling that she can't do, as she needs to be near medical care. Oh right, maybe we should ship a few doctors and nurses and medical equipments we have left with her on that ship too.

Or, how should I say it.....if we can't take a baby out of your wife's vagina then we should cut it to pieces, extract it out carefully, and then sew it all together again? What a brilliant lateral thinker.

[Swoop]

It's travelling that she can't do,
Have you read the post above yours?

[Marmoot]

Have you read the post above yours?

Yes. He and his wife were extrapologicating the most likely cause without proper analysis of the facts. In essence, he could be wrong so you shouldn't take him as a reference.


During a routine medical checkup in March, doctors found complications in Mrs Skiauteris' pregnancy and had advised her to be near medical help and bed-rest to avoid pre-term labour which could result in the death of her child - Source: NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10577497)

[ManDownUnder]

Change the aws.
1) Pay your own healthcare for babies born here
2) Being born here doesn't give you any more rights than Pakeha

That'll fix 'em!

[Crisis management]

Yes. He and his wife were extrapologicating the most likely cause without proper analysis of the facts. In essence, he could be wrong so you shouldn't take him as a reference.

- Source: NZ Herald (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10577497)

Yeah but...there's two of us extrapolgigating to only one of you so that means we're 66.666% right and your only 33.3333% right.

We win.

God, don't you just love statistics.

[johan]

The same rules applies to the hard working foreigners who's been here for 4-5 years paying taxes but are not residents, yet.

They get sent home to deliver and are welcome back again when done.

My colleges who's been treated like this would more than happily have paid for private hospital care $8000+, not because the health care is better here, but it's a big mission to move a whole family half around the world for a 3-4 months.

Many choose not to come back and NZ miss out on people who helps moving the economy forward.

[Marmoot]

Yeah but...there's two of us extrapolgigating to only one of you so that means we're 66.666% right and your only 33.3333% right.

We win.

God, don't you just love statistics.

Not valid. In this case the two items (yours and mine) are of different quality, and hence weighted comparison should be applied instead of a straight comparison. Each item should be normalised according to the quality of the information.
In this case, mine was fully referenced to a published newspaper which would imply the agreement from the newspaper staff and hence the weight easily exceeds 50. Yours is still 2.

1 + 50 (as a minimum estimation) > 2

In essence, yours is 3.8% while mine is 96.2%
Statistically proven win.