Beer drinkers read this!

[peasea]

This is another grab at your wallet in the guise of 'helping' you/us/the country/whoever.

Read the article, then sign the petition (at the bottom of the article) or small breweries could be doomed.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/2485184/Tax-might-price-craft-beers-off-market

I for one like trying small production run beers, I'd rather drink good quality beer in lesser volumes. What say you?

Palmer is a tosser. (Right name for it I suppose.)

[Katman]

Done.<hgvhgvhjv>

[the mouse]

It's fun trying them out just in case there is something better than speights Buuuuurp!

[ynot slow]

Signature 410.

Hell no more we suffer,yep I like a few big brewery beers,but also partial to local boutique types,even Macs was smaller type once,Mikes mild ale from Urenui,Nakis own beer,(will always be Mikes to me) voted one of worlds best lagers once.

[Ixion]

The bastards!

Signed. 411 so far.

I've supped at that Nelson place, they do a good drop.

[Ixion]

It's fun trying them out just in case there is something better than speights Buuuuurp!

There is. Never though I'd hear m'self say that, but Blackball Miners' Stout is better.

[peasea]

Keep those signatures coming folks, and email your mates!

[cs363]

Done, good work peasea bloody labour party social engineers, out of power and they're still trying to dictate to us! Like the Palmer :tugger: comment :D

[oldrider]

Done too!

Don't like signing petitions but dislike socialists punishing everyone for the sins of a minority!

Typical of State School teacher behaviour! :tugger:

[jono035]

What the hell do they think they're going to accomplish anyway? Anyone throwing around statements like 'increasing the price of alcohol was a persuasive measure to ensure binge drinkers contributed more to the costs their habits imposed on society' better have some bloody good numbers to back that up.

How exactly are 'binge drinkers' costing 'society' in a way that will be balanced by extra taxes?

[cs363]

How exactly are 'binge drinkers' costing 'society' in a way that will be balanced by extra taxes?

Well seeing as you asked: http://www.3news.co.nz/News/NationalNews/The-cost-of-binge-drinking/tabid/423/articleID/84798/cat/64/Default.aspx
The welfare and health care costs and costs of policing are all taken from our tax dollar so there is a direct correlation between binge drinking and taxes.
I like a beer or two, but I certainly don't condone binge drinking, there's a huge difference between being a drinker and a drunk.

[jono035]

Yeah, certainly, but didn't they hike alcohol taxes a couple of years back with that in mind?

http://www.ahw.co.nz/pdf/Excisetax221dec2004.pdf

Has the alcohol excise tax at 600mil in 2001, which was before that flat alcohol-content-based tax hike... Seems like the numbers might line up already, meaning no serious tax hike should be needed?

[cs363]

Yeah, certainly, but didn't they hike alcohol taxes a couple of years back with that in mind?

http://www.ahw.co.nz/pdf/Excisetax221dec2004.pdf

Has the alcohol excise tax at 600mil in 2001, which was before that flat alcohol-content-based tax hike... Seems like the numbers might line up already, meaning no serious tax hike should be needed?

:lol: Good logic on the face of it, but if we didn't have the binge drinking problems to pay for all that dosh could be doing a lot better things for us tax payers. At least that's the way I see it.... :D

[oldrider]

The same people advised the huge taxes on speeding that we have for lowering "road safety" costs. Did that work? :banana:

[pete376403]

Petition signed #439.

[caseye]

441 and counting , I hope come on guys and girls this Toss Pot of a Politically rewarded JHoke of a n MP is so out of touch with his own people that he thinks we all binge drink , therfore if he simply taxes all beers he'll stop it. FOOL!
Bingers, almost always come to the attention of the constabulary, if thrown in the tank repeatedly make it compulsory to attend a drying out place.
But for Gods sake leave what little us normal folks have left in our own pockets.

[Mikkel]

#442 - I'm quite cynical in regards to online petitions, but this is a worthy cause if there ever was one ;)

[Lias]

I just want them to stop taxing booze and smokes entirely. I did some rough calculations based on the current excise rate and these are the figures I came up with.

With no excise we'd be paying about $5 for a pack of 25 smokes, rheineck/bremmer/cd/other cheap beer would be about $5 a dozen, tui/waikato/export/red would be about $10 a dozen, etc. Jim beam would be $15 or so for a litre bottle.

I also found out were paying nearly 50 cents a litre excise on our petrol.. Fucking thieving cunts are our government.

[Stirts]

Fecking dirty, stinking, bossy bastidges #463

[James Deuce]

I have enough single malt in my cabinet to last the res tof my life. A 6 pack will sit in the fridge for a month, and we love wine, but only get it in when we have company. Maybe 6 bottles a year.

Some teetotalling goober now wants me to pay for the brief period of time when all teenagers drink/drug themselves into a stupor? Like we already don't! Bet he did that at Uni.

Even Kiwis will crack under an accelerating tax burden. I can see the Beehive from here.

[Lias]

I have enough single malt in my cabinet to last the res tof my life.

Mental note.. Go visit you next time I'm in wellington.

[Naki Rat]

#469

The small breweries are already being screwed by the producers of chemical beers. The last thing they need is another tax :bash:

[oldrider]

Consumer power, stop drinking the big breweries beer!

In France maybe.......NZ? :pinch: Pathetic whimps!

[MSTRS]

I can see the Beehive from here.

Does a Barrets have the range?

[James Deuce]

Does a Barrets have the range?

It'd be a flat shot from here. Windage and elevation.

[slofox]

I have a wine store in Hamiltron. We also specialize in boutique and imported beers.
Recently we took the decision to stop selling the Monteiths range. Why? Two major reasons.

1. It is getting too expensive for what it is. When the annual excise hike comes online July 1st, it will be even dearer.

2. It is produced by DB. Who are currently trying to screw Green Man brewery in Dunedin over using the word "Radler" on one of their beers. DB were granted a copyright for that term, Radler, by some fuckwits who had no idea that Radler is a STYLE of beer...you may as well grant a copyright for the term Lager, or Bitter, or any other beer style. Had they known what they were about, no copyright would have been granted. It's not like DB invented the style or the term. The power brokers at DB know this full well but they have the letter of the law on their side and are determined to go against the true spirit of the law and persecute a very small craft brewery who are, in my opinion, using a valid, generic term to describe a style of beer.
So I have taken the decision to sell as few DB products as possible in the future. They are a bunch of unmitigated arseholes and I refuse to support them.

Re excise tax on alcohol. Increasing taxes on alcohol is an annual event. It happens every 1 July and is increased in line with the CPI. This has been the case for yonks.
You will find that increasing tax on alcohol is not the realm of any one political party. Every government does it, regardless of the colour of their politics. For someone in the trade like myself, it is just a fact of life.

Binge drinking: I get very few pissheads in here. I concentrate on quality wine, and as I said before, imported and boutique beers. I also sell a lot of single malt whisky. I concentrate on selling quality not quantity. I don't sell cheap shit. I do sell some inexpensive wines, but the quality of the product comes first, not the price.
I sell a very limited range of RTD's, at regular prices - never discounted and never touted. Those who buy them are usually getting them as part of a mixed purchase. At one time when a certain local drunk started coming in to get Woodys, I removed them from display and sold them only to people I knew. So I have very few binge drinkers shopping here. It's not hard to do. You don't need to increase taxes to stop them.
Severely discounted alcohol as sold in a lot of the local "liquor stores" is a much bigger problem. These guys sell at just above cost. They rely on huge turnover to make enough to live on. They often use family labour which comes free and some of them have less than perfect records when it comes to supply to underage patrons.
The supermarkets have just recently stopped offering sub cost alcohol as a "loss leader" - something they swore they would never do when they applied for the right to sell alcohol. Yeah Right. This is a good thing and will do more to stop the bingers than increasing excise.
Overall though, there is no doubt that higher prices do impact on sales. I have the figures to prove that. But I have to agree that there are other and better ways to stop alcohol abuse than just cutting sales by increasing excise. Stopping the ridiculous discounters would be a start.

[Fatt Max]

Done....hic.....

[MisterD]

481...does NZ have a CAMRA branch? (Stupid question...)

[koba]

#480
Beer is good, local beer is really good!
I buy most of what I drink now but more price will mean I just make good beer at home for less $.
I'm over montieths too, I'm convinced it isn't the same as it used to be. Macs is much much better value for money.

[Lias]

I have a wine store in Hamiltron. We also specialize in boutique and imported beers.

Hey slofox, PM with your store and real name.. I can come purchase some merchandsie and meet a fellow hamiltron KB'ers at the same time :-)

[Mikkel]

I have enough single malt in my cabinet to last the res tof my life. A 6 pack will sit in the fridge for a month, and we love wine, but only get it in when we have company. Maybe 6 bottles a year.


I've been to your place, even if every single ccm of space that I didn't see was stuffed full with single-malt it would not last a life-time.
Unless you don't enjoy scotch at all, you'd need a bloody barn full of kegs to last you a life-time.


It'd be a flat shot from here. Windage and elevation.

You're about 12 km from the Beehive - a Barrett M82 has an effective range of 1,850 m and a maximum range of 6,800 m. You'd need an artillery piece to reach the Beehive (it would be more efficient too ;) )

Anyway, we're talking about beers I suppose there's room for some exaggeration. :D

[James Deuce]

I'm about 400M from the beehive, right now.

[Mikkel]

I'm about 400M from the beehive, right now.

Pedant. <blah blah>

[James Deuce]

Pedant. <blah blah="">

I know. I was also 400m from the Beehive at 11:53.

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[Kiwi34]

I signed, 505 so far...

[laRIKin]

507:beer::drinkup:

[Lias]

I have a wine store in Hamiltron. We also specialize in boutique and imported beers.


Well I popped over last night and met slofox and boy does he have a good range of tasty beverages! I heartily recommend a visit to anyone else in the waikato who likes a decent wee drop.