Tight nuts- need ideas

[rocketman1]

I am trying to get out the allen bolts of that hold the rotors to the front wheel.
I soaked in CRC for a day, a 6mm allen key wont look at it, so put an extension on the hanle still they wont turn.
I tapped them with hammer to loosen maybe, got out my impact driver hit as hard as i can still wont move...
They are tight like welded.
Has anyone got any other ideas?

[mowgli]

Probably thread locked. Try heating them.

[hayd3n]

I am trying to get out the allen bolts of that hold the rotors to the front wheel.
I soaked in CRC for a day, a 6mm allen key wont look at it, so put an extension on the hanle still they wont turn.
I tapped them with hammer to loosen maybe, got out my impact driver hit as hard as i can still wont move...
They are tight like welded.
Has anyone got any other ideas?

gentle heat

[rocketman1]

Heat the nuts or the hub of the wheel?

[awayatc]

make sure that the heads are clean, and get the correct fitting allen head in socket version......
get a mate to help keeping the bit in place and the leverage of ratchet should break the "lock"
Good luck

[mowgli]

Heat the nuts or the hub of the wheel?

You won't do one without the other :)

[gatch]

Get angry and swear heaps, then give the hub a little bit of heat.

[pete376403]

1/2'' drive impact driver, short piece of allen wrench in a 6 point impact socket, solid support for the hub and hit the f*cker hard. Rattle gun might do it, too.
CRC won't work because the thread locking compound fills the gap in the threads, so CRC can't penetrate. Heat will help, but theres going to be a lot of metal to heat up.

[sinfull]

And try tightening nipping them up tighter first !

[_STAIN_]

heat is the only way.......before you strip the hex

[hayd3n]

heat em up !!!!!!!!! but DONT try and loosen em while they are hot!!!!!!!!!! the heads will just break off then you have to drill and tap em or worst case heli coil

[Laava]

I am trying to get out the allen bolts of that hold the rotors to the front wheel.
I soaked in CRC for a day, a 6mm allen key wont look at it, so put an extension on the hanle still they wont turn.
I tapped them with hammer to loosen maybe, got out my impact driver hit as hard as i can still wont move...
They are tight like welded.
Has anyone got any other ideas?
Worst part is you gonna fuck the bolts getting them out and have trouble getting proper replacements. If they are able to have a small pair of vise grips[with good sharp jaws] applied as well as the allen key to crack them?
I had to do this to a couple of the ones on my GPZ recently. Then if you haven't munted the inside of the hex drive, you can dress them up and re-use. And swear lots!

[rocketman1]

Is the idea of heating the bolt to melt the thread lock, or to provide expansion of the surrounding material that the bolt is fastened into.
I had to heat a bearing hub once to get the bearing out, but I used an ice block on the bearing to cool it. It worked, but i guess this will be different for a bolt, but its worth a try, I see how I go

[tri boy]

Hot air gun, 1/2" one piece allen socket, (koken black industrial are the shizz).
Simmer on heat for about 5mins.
Hammer allen socket into the allen head.
Fit impact driver to allen socket, and give it a good whack.
The heat is to break the locking agents grip.
Try doing a Buell front disc. They"re fun.

[AllanB]

Hmm interesting. I was in a fastener place today and they had 'spray' cans of bolt freeze - spray the unmovable bolt with it and it 'freezes' the offending sucker allowing removal.
Probably just the reverse theory of heating it, one expands one contracts, both hopefully break the hold.

Found it check this out -
http://toolmonger.com/2009/01/20/freeze-your-nuts-off/&usg=__tlLixt1Bc9zbesrpnf7-fpWQbno=&h=369&w=450&sz=43&hl=en&start=7&tbnid=roNGfC1SB6PDDM:&tbnh=104&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbolt%2Bfreeze%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

[gatch]

Yeah some of the maintainance dudes us it at work on occasion "freeze and release" I think it is, dunno if it actually works or not haha..

Have you got it out yet ???

[crazefox]

shake them and play with them:niceone:

[blacksheep]

And try tightening nipping them up tighter first !

what h said:niceone:

[The Pastor]

Hot air gun, 1/2" one piece allen socket, (koken black industrial are the shizz).
Simmer on heat for about 5mins.
Hammer allen socket into the allen head.
Fit impact driver to allen socket, and give it a good whack.
The heat is to break the locking agents grip.
Try doing a Buell front disc. They"re fun.
how air gun wont give out nearly enough heat

[laserracer]

That bolt freeze works really well

[hayd3n]

how air gun wont give out nearly enough heat

really my hot air gun does 600 degrees

[tri boy]

how air gun wont give out nearly enough heat

Oh yes it does.
Mine can pump out 600 C

[The Pastor]

im not sure what degress my one can pump out, enough to melt all the plastic around the metal... but i think you really need to make the metal glow red

[crazyhorse]

I like nuts - tight, loose, large, small LOL

[AllanB]

. but i think you really need to make the metal glow red


Ah - I would not go heating up my front wheel hub or brake until it's glowing red..............

Alloy will melt before it glows red anyway :(

[vifferman]

I like nuts - tight, loose, large, small LOL
I've got some in my pocket I can send you.

[cowpoos]

I am trying to get out the allen bolts of that hold the rotors to the front wheel.
I soaked in CRC for a day, a 6mm allen key wont look at it, so put an extension on the hanle still they wont turn.
I tapped them with hammer to loosen maybe, got out my impact driver hit as hard as i can still wont move...
They are tight like welded.
Has anyone got any other ideas?
where in the waikato are you?? I have powered impact drivers and allen key attachments :)

[rocketman1]

where in the waikato are you?? I have powered impact drivers and allen key attachments :)

Thanks for the offer but I got them out.
Thanks for all your help guys but HEAT did it. I got a cheap propane gas torch for Bunnings, they dont put out much heat but I spent about 3 minutes on each bolt, I could still touch them, just, so they were no where near red hot, I then spent about 3 minutes heating the hub behind the bolt, and sure enough with an extension on the 6mm allen key it turned, great feeling took a while but did the rest the same and now have them all out. There was just heaps of locktite on them, it seemed the heat made the loctite go slightly soft, as well as a bit of thermal expansion did the trick. I am a happier man.

Thanks again

[LaytonNZ]

we use a blow torch at work to get them red hot then use bruit force:D