Police Cruiser takes out motorcycle [Archive]

p.dath

10th June 2009, 08:00

I was watching Prime TV last night, and they had one of those cop shows on.

Anyway one segment was about a speeding motorcyclist.

I'm sure you have seen the classic Police move where they move the Police car from left to right (or vice versa) pushing the bumper across of the vehicle in front so that it spins around the car being persued.

Well this cop did exactly that to the motorcylist. I was agasp.

As expected, the rider came off rather harshly. The bike was pushed into a crash barrier and did a rather nasty spin. The rider broke his leg and several of his ribs.

And then to cap it all off, the Police officer draws his gun to prevent the rider from "running" away.

I was hoping the officer was going to be charged with something. But no, the TV show keeps talking like he's a hero or something for stopping the speeding rider.

Now I don't object to the rider being pulled over, but really, using that much force - the officer was lucky to not have killed the rider. And this passes for OK in the US it seems.
Tell you what, I wouldn't risk speeding on a bike in that country!

The rider had not committed any other crime but speeding.

If that happened in NZ I would hope the Police officer would be changed with dangerous driving or something. That kind of Policing should not be allowed. Aggravating the situation by putting someone's life in serious danger is not acceptable for something as minor as speeding.

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 08:36

so he was speeding, and not stopping for a police officer?
sounds fair game to me? ruthless yes, but ultimately, he could've pulled over.

BiK3RChiK

10th June 2009, 08:57

Worth killing someone for? I don't think so!

What a power tripper!!:bash:

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 09:00

Worth dying for? I don't think so...

Unless he was smuggling a kg of cocaine...

smoky

10th June 2009, 09:11

He wasn't just speeding, he was trying to outrun the cop!

Stupid thing to do really - if I ever chose to out run a cop and he got any where near that close to me I would realise it was a waste of time and stop? The rider was stupid.

You think NZ cops would be any better? I remember a cop ran over a guy in a pub car park in somewhere like Kewarau - a few years ago; who was doing a runner - killed him.
When I was about 18 I was stopped on an IT250, the dumb arse cop touched my rear wheel as I stopped, I gave him absolute shit about it, he gave me lots of fines. That was the last time I ever got puled up on a bike.

Taz

10th June 2009, 09:16

You run and endanger others you deserve to get taken out. The cops aren't out there to play games. Good on him. If the biker had stolen the bike everyone would be praising the cops actions?

awayatc

10th June 2009, 09:16

sounds to me biker and cop went to same sort of school.....
may even share some genes..

Combined IQ in temperature would still require thermals....
Speed kills....Didn't you know that?

CookMySock

10th June 2009, 10:12

You run and endanger others you deserve to get taken out. The cops aren't out there to play games. Good on him. If the biker had stolen the bike everyone would be praising the cops actions?Hell yeah, the cop just saved someone from being injured.. Who knows - the biker might have ran into someone and broke their leg and a couple of ribs?

The police regularly turn up and aggravate the situation, and media are regularly there to feed on it and then dish it out to idiots like you and I so we get irate about it and go post on some internet forum about it.

Sharpen up. Don't watch media wind-up bullshit. It will just fuck you off and waste your time. Go do something fun and useful with your bike that will make you feel better, not worse.

Steve

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 10:27

The police regularly turn up and aggravate the situation, and media are regularly there to feed on it and then dish it out to idiots like you and I so we get irate about it and go post on some internet forum about it.

Sharpen up. Don't watch media wind-up bullshit. It will just fuck you off and waste your time. Go do something fun and useful with your bike that will make you feel better, not worse.

The man was speeding. The police attempted to correct him by pulling him over.. He didn't pull over. Clearly something had to be done least there was something more illegal afoot that meant he didn't want to be caught.

There's not really much the media can wind up with this...

kunoichi

10th June 2009, 10:37

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 10:44

I suppose the police could of called for back up and had the road blocked or something. It wouldn't do to have the biker thrown infront of an oncoming car, potentially causing more injury to bystanders. I don't suppose spikes would of been much better but perhaps barackading and cornering him. U would asume US cops would have that much resources. Yet it's easier to scrutinize actions wen in the situation u might not be thinking that clearly.

Why waste resources and time on a law breaking loon? Especially in circumstances where giving him more time on the street increased his chances of getting away? It was a text book answer to a text book issue. Unfortunately the vehicle the loon chose didn't score well on the 'bump to the rear wheel' saftey rating.

If he didn't want to get hurt, he can always pull over and stop.

kunoichi

10th June 2009, 10:49

Why waste resources and time on a law breaking loon? Especially in circumstances where giving him more time on the street increased his chances of getting away? It was a text book answer to a text book issue. Unfortunately the vehicle the loon chose didn't score well on the 'bump to the rear wheel' saftey rating.

If he didn't want to get hurt, he can always pull over and stop.

Yeah that is true, but it's worth using a few resources if it puts others in danger by knocking him off his bike. I suppose if it's in a quiet street he was screaming down, then all good, not so much on a busy intersection or motorway. All comes down to context.

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 10:51

Yeah that is true, but it's worth using a few resources if it puts others in danger by knocking him off his bike. I suppose if it's in a quiet street he was screaming down, then all good, not so much on a busy intersection or motorway. All comes down to context.

indeed it does. Anyone got a link to it? I remember seeing something like it aaages ago...

naphazoline

10th June 2009, 11:13

....It wouldn't do to have the biker thrown infront of an oncoming car, potentially causing more injury to bystanders.....

That is an outstanding point that some people with their self righteous attitudes are overlooking here.

Seems to me,too many people just think of themselves,or their own personal gain over other peoples safety,and it's this attitude that has yank police drawing guns and shooting in public places,which has ended in the death of innocents on multiple occasions.Even on the odd occasion here in NZ.

I'm not saying the bike rider was innocent,(BTW,I saw this on TV)but at what price towards others,does "getting your man" come?:tugger:

One could argue,that if his number plate has been noted,that calling off the chase is less dangerous then having a rider/driver making rash decisions cause the cops are on their tail.

Obviously if someone is armed,and not concerned with anybodys safety,then this is one of those cases where they need to be taken out,but petty crime?

Taking a life is still KILLING,and SHOULD NOT be up to an individuals discretion.

kunoichi

10th June 2009, 11:47

:yes: that's very true, noting the number plate would of been a much better decision. If you watch those US cop shows, they are very brutal and sometimes unjustly. By all means, when the situation is putting innocents in danger, take him out. It seems to me that the yank police don't take on the care of bystanders until they are directly in danger. The ripple effect should be considered and minimized. What could we do to stop our cops from brutish yanky policing?

naphazoline

10th June 2009, 11:54

..... What could we do to stop our cops from brutish yanky policing?

I bet David Bain is asking that exact same question.:laugh:

p.dath

10th June 2009, 12:18

Hell yeah, the cop just saved someone from being injured.

...

Steve

The cop did injure someone. Weather the cop saved someone else from injury is pure speculation.

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 12:21

Taking a life is still KILLING,and SHOULD NOT be up to an individuals discretion.

From the police's perspective, it's not up to the individual. That's why law and police protocol are there. Obviously NZ police protocol differs a lot from US protocol, but it's there to assist police officers make decisions quickly and wisely, and it usually works.

Again, it's quite circumstantial. Without watching the video recently, I don't know how many bystanders there were etc.

The question still stands: why didn't he pull over?

p.dath

10th June 2009, 12:21

He wasn't just speeding, he was trying to outrun the cop!
...

The cop should have noted his number plate, backed off and persued from a safe distance, and communicated the need for further assistance. Pushing the situation further to the stage that someone was injured was a poor outcome.

I feel the cop should have been charged with something.

p.dath

10th June 2009, 12:23

You run and endanger others you deserve to get taken out. The cops aren't out there to play games. Good on him. If the biker had stolen the bike everyone would be praising the cops actions?

So you would also have been quite happy for the cop to shoot the guy dead while he was riding as well?

By taking out a rider in this fashion he might as well have.

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 12:23

I feel the cop should have been charged with something.

Charged with what?

Doing his duty? Making Decisions on the job? Taking down a lawbreaker?

p.dath

10th June 2009, 12:24

Charged with what?

Doing his duty? Making Decisions on the job? Taking down a lawbreaker?

Dangerous Driving resulting in injury. The cop has other options open to him.

NDORFN

10th June 2009, 12:24

So basically the pig decided to avert a potential accident by causing one. Nice one.

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 12:25

So you would also have been quite happy for the cop to shoot the guy dead while he was riding as well?

By taking out a rider in this fashion he might as well have.

Ummmm.... No? the guy survived. A gun shot would have been a tad more significant. He wasn't trying to kill the guy. He was trying to stop a speeding vehicle. Just sucked that it was a motorbike.

NDORFN

10th June 2009, 12:32

CookMySock

10th June 2009, 12:34

Charged with what? Doing his duty? Making Decisions on the job? Taking down a lawbreaker?There is no mandate in law for killing someone because they broke some fucking speed limit. Thats daft.

Steve

kunoichi

10th June 2009, 12:45

yeah it was extreme reaction from the cop. even with a car, they use road spikes etc to slow them down. They use other means, same precaution should of been taken by the cop

NDORFN

10th June 2009, 12:48

The best course of action would've been to take the registration and put out a warrant for the owner. Sure the owner could claim he lent the bike to someone, or that it'd been stolen, or perhaps it WAS stolen, but at the end of the day what the American law enforcers REALLY need to get a handle on is that you win some, you lose some.

naphazoline

10th June 2009, 12:49

From the police's perspective, it's not up to the individual. That's why law and police protocol are there. Obviously NZ police protocol differs a lot from US protocol, but it's there to assist police officers make decisions quickly and wisely, and it usually works.

Again, it's quite circumstantial. Without watching the video recently, I don't know how many bystanders there were etc.

The question still stands: why didn't he pull over?

Firstly,the choice IS made by individuals.They don't ask for authorisation to shoot.(well at least not in america,which is where this story is from,and this thread is about.)

Secondly,his bike came off the crash rail,and moved out towards the road.

Too bad if a vehicle full of kids were coming along at the wrong time,but i guess because it's "all in the line of duty", or "Police protocol" it doesn't matter?

What's more,Failing to stop at a stop sign,or not indicating makes someone a lawbreaker.
Does that warrant using a vehicle as a weapon,or risking their life?

I think people need to take a good look at their own fuck ups before passing death sentences on others.

duckonin

10th June 2009, 12:50

If you have his number why chase him, except for fun of course...

CookMySock

10th June 2009, 12:52

what the American law enforcers REALLY need to get a handle on is that you win some, you lose some.And NZ cops, the same.

Thankfully for their families, most kiwi cops get this, and don't do stupid shit like running out in front of cars like they are trying to save the whales, or all the planets from crashing into each other. :weird:

Steve

Patch

10th June 2009, 12:54

The cop did injure someone. Weather the cop saved someone else from injury is pure speculation.
until you lose a good mate, friend, son, brother because some wank stain thinks he is king on the road - you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

It is far better for them to be taken out (shot, rammed, however) before some other innocent third party is affected.

If you have the "fuck the police attitude" and endanger someone else's safety - too fucking bad if you get injured in the process of being stopped.
Cop should have shot him, save the cost of repairing the patrol car and hospital bills.

Its no different than walking down the street with a loaded firearm - both are risky things to do, so why would you??

CookMySock

10th June 2009, 12:58

Its no different than walking down the street with a loaded firearm - both are risky things to doI don't think so.

I think an armed person walking down the street in a distraught emotional state is fucking horrific situation. Any person doing this should be stopped pronto.

There are countless people speeding every day, and not one of them develops into the exceedingly harmful comparison you have associated it with.

You are dreaming.

Steve

kunoichi

10th June 2009, 12:59

Because despite how much u think they are scum, they still have rights, so do their families (he is somebody else's brother, farther, son too), and laws that even the police have to folow. No to mention the fact that 90% of cases are determined by the moral principals and emotions of the judge and or jury.

naphazoline

10th June 2009, 13:04

until you lose a good mate, friend, son, brother because some wank stain thinks he is king on the road - you have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

It is far better for them to be taken out (shot, rammed, however) before some other innocent third party is affected.

If you have the "fuck the police attitude" and endanger someone else's safety - too fucking bad if you get injured in the process of being stopped.
Cop should have shot him, save the cost of repairing the patrol car and hospital bills.

Its no different than walking down the street with a loaded firearm - both are risky things to do, so why would you??

I understand what you're saying,and have had a similar scenario happen to me,but what if that wank stain ISTHE cop?

Their victims have family and friends,just like anybody else.

Is it still alright "for them to be taken out (shot, rammed, however)" ?

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 13:22

There are countless people speeding every day, and not one of them develops into the exceedingly harmful comparison you have associated it with.
Steve

But the majority of those countless people pull over when they get snapped by the cops. This person didn't. The Police made him stop. Could they have done it safer? We don't know. Would the biker have not injured anyone had he been left to his own devices? We don't know.

What we do know is that he was stopped from his lawlessness, to his own detriment.

Because despite how much u think they are scum, they still have rights, so do their families (he is somebody else's brother, farther, son too), and laws that even the police have to folow. No to mention the fact that 90% of cases are determined by the moral principals and emotions of the judge and or jury.

Yes. But the biker in question gave up those rights by ignoring the law system that affords him those rights. If he was concerned about his family, he would have pulled over in the first place, or (gasp) not sped in the first place?

3L4NS1R

10th June 2009, 13:42

Secondly, the reason why he didn't just pull over is because he didn't want to be bent over the bonnet of the patrol car and reemed.

you speaking from experience there? :pinch:

scumdog

10th June 2009, 20:13

The cop should have noted his number plate, backed off and persued from a safe distance, and communicated the need for further assistance. Pushing the situation further to the stage that someone was injured was a poor outcome.

I feel the cop should have been charged with something.

Are you 12 years old or something????

scumdog

10th June 2009, 20:16

If you have his number why chase him, except for fun of course...

Yeah, cos people ALWAYS have the correct plate on their bike and the registered owner ALWAYS tells the truth about who has been using their bike.

Break out the Tuis....;)

Taz

10th June 2009, 20:30

I'd hate to do your job scum. How do you put up with the fucktards out there.

peasea

12th June 2009, 16:54

Worth dying for? I don't think so...

Unless he was smuggling a kg of cocaine...

If you're smuggling a kg of coke then the last thing you should be doing is speeding. Why go for speed when you have a kg of coke?

Bwahahahahahaha!

peasea

12th June 2009, 16:56

Yeah, cos people ALWAYS have the correct plate on their bike and the registered owner ALWAYS tells the truth about who has been using their bike.

I do. Always. Honest.

awayatc

12th June 2009, 20:30

Not every cop believes I am popeye though....

LaytonNZ

12th June 2009, 20:46

What sort of bike was he useing? a cop managed to clip a bike? New rider? :nono:

caseye

12th June 2009, 21:01

Screw the rider!Chased and caught, no doubt hailed over under bonnet loud speaker, any chance he didn't see the fancy flashing lights, perhaps hear the voice of the patrol officer saying "rider pull over".
Xtra resources? yeah right, a lone patrol car on a 4 lane highway, take his number and let him go? yeah right.
Classic case, do the crime,endanger others, be prepared to be forced to stop.
If you don't stop be prepared to be forcefully restrained.Full marks to the officer for making sure this idiot didn't get to injure or kill someone who hadn't done anything wrong.
Cripes I thought we all rode motorcycles round here and knew the score about being hunted day in and day out by idiots in cars,oh and the Govt revenue gathers formerly know as our Police Force.
It's just a speeding offence!Yeah right.
He has rights! spare me!

cambridgedan

12th June 2009, 21:01

stuff it im not doing a bike ride trip across america !!!
Auzzi would be better i think, and no need for thermals :niceone:
might get a cheap deal if the swine flu media stuff keeps up :D

Mikkel

12th June 2009, 22:07

The measures of law enforcement must match the severity of the offense. Unless said biker was actively endangering other motorists it is absolutely unacceptable to risk his life and mobility by bumping him off the bike.

And no, doing 250+ km/h on an American interstate is not actively endangering other people. Just wait for the biker to run out of petrol and then throw the book at him.

The mentality of some people really puts the shit up me, if such facist tendencies were ever to become the mainstream mentality we'd be royally fucked...

jono035

16th June 2009, 19:26

Given the number of videos of US cops and 'accidental discharges' of their firearms, it's pretty scary to think of cops pulling their guns out for any reason other than self defence, and that 'stopping the guy getting away' would be a standard and acceptable alternative gives me the willies...