My speedo works but the LED display...

[Waihou Thumper]

Has disappeared. I have since found out by trying this on another KTM. My one doesn't work on the other bike either so it has eliminated the wiring issue I thought I had, it is now the LED display.
Because the speedo sits inside a housing on the Adventure I need to replace it with something.

The new KTM computer is $1018 approx NZD....:no:
If I bought it from the USA, same thing it would be $374.72 USD plus shipping..

Who is making the money here?
Anyway, has anyone had experience with the Vapor units and connecting issues if any? The shape of it looks perfect for the hole on the dash, I just need to find out the measurements...
Afterall, I want a speedo, neutral light, high beam, indicators and the odometer and trip meter....I can't rely on the GPS all the time.
The only thing missing would be the low fuel sensor and the oil light, i can live with out that, or use these and live without the indicator or something as Vapor provides 8 lights I think...

The price would be approx $325, then I gotta get it wired, and If I am going down that track do I get the wires cut and the redundant connections thrown out?

A small dilemma but would have been avoided if perhaps I stayed out of the sand puddles and didn't flip it occasionally in deep deep rock pools...

I am only guessing that this was the reason, but it has taken a few months to surface and as I said, it works in the background when you hold your head a certain way. I could see the speed dimly....:laugh:

[topo]

I've got a Vapor unit on my 640e, it's a great unit with all the functions you mention. Mine was installed by the previous owner but it's got a pertty simple loom (4 conectors for the main unit, 1 pair of wires for each of the 4 lighs on the add on dash).

As for size, with the added dash lights its 140mmX65mm


topo

[Box'a'bits]

The new KTM computer is $1018 approx NZD....:no:
If I bought it from the USA, same thing it would be $374.72 USD plus shipping..

A small dilemma but would have been avoided if perhaps I stayed out of the sand puddles and didn't flip it occasionally in deep deep rock pools...

I recall someone over in advrider.co talking about dunking his LCD speedo & having the same issue. Turned out he had some residual moisture in the speedo & got the screen back when he dried it out properly. I think he packed some silca gel in there to stop reoccurence.

[NordieBoy]

I've got a Vapor unit on my 640e, it's a great unit with all the functions you mention. Mine was installed by the previous owner but it's got a pertty simple loom (4 conectors for the main unit, 1 pair of wires for each of the 4 lighs on the add on dash).

As for size, with the added dash lights its 140mmX65mm


topo

Oh shit! Yours is mostly blank too!

[Waihou Thumper]

I've got a Vapor unit on my 640e, it's a great unit with all the functions you mention. Mine was installed by the previous owner but it's got a pertty simple loom (4 conectors for the main unit, 1 pair of wires for each of the 4 lighs on the add on dash).

As for size, with the added dash lights its 140mmX65mm


topo

From what you are saying then, it is almost a perfect size for width and a little light on the height which means it will fit mounted on the inside of the hole with a little head space....
Many thanks for that! I might go down this track....:woohoo:

[Waihou Thumper]

Oh shit! Yours is mostly blank too!


Yes, that is what mine looks like all of the time but it has a nice back light for ambiance when riding......

[Waihou Thumper]

I recall someone over in advrider.co talking about dunking his LCD speedo & having the same issue. Turned out he had some residual moisture in the speedo & got the screen back when he dried it out properly. I think he packed some silca gel in there to stop reoccurence.


I took it out, took it apart and did the same. It was in three parts on the bench. I hooked it up in bits and it worked intermittently with a bit of coaxing, which made me think wiring. I left it in, rode and gradually it died over a ride to the non existent display. It still made me think wiring or broken wires, split or similar. Having put it on a 640e, it must be the speedo itself, or rather the LED part of it. Unfortunately I cannot just replace the one board or the screen, this is all a one piece unit joined by straps/bands like a hard drive and solder etc....

[Waihou Thumper]

I've got a Vapor unit on my 640e, it's a great unit with all the functions you mention. Mine was installed by the previous owner but it's got a pertty simple loom (4 conectors for the main unit, 1 pair of wires for each of the 4 lighs on the add on dash).

As for size, with the added dash lights its 140mmX65mm


topo

Performs well and keeps the data when key is off etc, just like the real thing? The set up you have is perfect, high beam, oil, indicators, neutral.
That is what I need....minimal.

[Box'a'bits]

I took it out, took it apart and did the same. It was in three parts on the bench. I hooked it up in bits and it worked intermittently with a bit of coaxing, which made me think wiring. I left it in, rode and gradually it died over a ride to the non existent display. It still made me think wiring or broken wires, split or similar. Having put it on a 640e, it must be the speedo itself, or rather the LED part of it. Unfortunately I cannot just replace the one board or the screen, this is all a one piece unit joined by straps/bands like a hard drive and solder etc....

I gather no apparent cracks in soldered joints? Tried resoldering? Maybe cracks, which get worse with heat / vibration?

[topo]

:niceone:

sillyfuckntencharacterrule

[Waihou Thumper]

I recall someone over in advrider.co talking about dunking his LCD speedo & having the same issue. Turned out he had some residual moisture in the speedo & got the screen back when he dried it out properly. I think he packed some silca gel in there to stop reoccurence.

Not related but seeing you have the same machine. I am stumped...
Can you tell me where this goes on the bike, I think it gathers the fuel cables or similar and is on the left side of the bike?
I have the manual, the spare parts, photos of the bike but it isn't anywhere to be seen. My mechanic left it hanging when I picked the bike up a few months ago and want to put it back on, it secures somewhere...:Oops:

Have a look a tour bike and can you explain where please? many thanks.....Crazyfrog told me but I didn't understand fully..:crybaby:

[Waihou Thumper]

I gather no apparent cracks in soldered joints? Tried resoldering? Maybe cracks, which get worse with heat / vibration?

They are so small, I don't even know which soldered parts are for the LED display.
There are 14 wires that feed into this unit, these are all accounted for, so the LED must be fed off the unit somewhere inside. I am thinking the strap or one of them, but these are soldered in place not the usual plug in type.
Thanks for the suggestion, I will have a look.

[clint640]

The only thing missing would be the low fuel sensor and the oil light, :

They aren't connected to anything anyway.

Clint

[skidMark]

got a vapor in my katana... works really well...

apart from the rev ounter... it goes up the shit sometimes bounes around...over reads...doesnt read at all etc....

word on other forums is you put an inline resistor in...

and it apparently fies it... the rev ounter wire for the atv kit has a resistor wire.... so see if they can swap it for one of those wires for ya.

[Waihou Thumper]

got a vapor in my katana... works really well...

apart from the rev ounter... it goes up the shit sometimes bounes around...over reads...doesnt read at all etc....

word on other forums is you put an inline resistor in...

and it apparently fies it... the rev ounter wire for the atv kit has a resistor wire.... so see if they can swap it for one of those wires for ya.

I might actually go for the Vector, which is the one without the rev counter. I have the rev counter on the bike already

[Waihou Thumper]

They aren't connected to anything anyway.

Clint

connector on the bike. It flashes for me when it has to be switched over to reserve. It is connected to the inside of the left lobe on the tank, dunno about the low oil light though. The FI isn't of course connected - Fuel Injection.

[skidMark]

I might actually go for the Vector, which is the one without the rev counter. I have the rev counter on the bike already


you could... i think the vector is also minus other features.... you can have oil lights etc still on a vapor, i bought the extra dashboard surround... has lights for indicators..... neutral.... oil.... and high beam.

[Waihou Thumper]

you could... i think the vector is also minus other features.... you can have oil lights etc still on a vapor, i bought the extra dashboard surround... has lights for indicators..... neutral.... oil.... and high beam.

I will get the dashboard as well. The measurement of it fits almost perfect for the length but is a little smaller in height so I will have a bit of a gap at the top.
I think it comes with 8 lights but you can only choose four. One of them is reverse too..lol That would be handy...
I really just need speed and odometer, so the extra bit for the Tacho etc isn't needed.

[skidMark]

I will get the dashboard as well. The measurement of it fits almost perfect for the length but is a little smaller in height so I will have a bit of a gap at the top.
I think it comes with 8 lights but you can only choose four. One of them is reverse too..lol That would be handy...
I really just need speed and odometer, so the extra bit for the Tacho etc isn't needed.


oh yeah, i can take some photos of mine if ya want....

yeah comes with 8 lights... but i just ran what my origional clocks had.

[Box'a'bits]

Not related but seeing you have the same machine. I am stumped...
Can you tell me where this goes on the bike, I think it gathers the fuel cables or similar and is on the left side of the bike?
I have the manual, the spare parts, photos of the bike but it isn't anywhere to be seen. My mechanic left it hanging when I picked the bike up a few months ago and want to put it back on, it secures somewhere...:Oops:

Have a look a tour bike and can you explain where please? many thanks.....Crazyfrog told me but I didn't understand fully..:crybaby:

Wondered if it served the same purpose as this (bolted to the cam chain tensioner). Effectively a cable & tube tidier. :confused: Otherwise, can't really see anything obvious.

Steve

[Waihou Thumper]

Wondered if it served the same purpose as this (bolted to the cam chain tensioner). Effectively a cable & tube tidier. :confused: Otherwise, can't really see anything obvious.

Steve

That isn't it as I have this in place. Thanks Steve, it might not be on yours as it is 2003. :niceone:

[Waihou Thumper]

I have decided to keep the original speedo as they look cool, glowing orange at night.
I have tried unsuccessfully to see if it can be repaired.
I thought as a longshot I could see if there were some wreckers over in Aussie that had one, but it seems nobody has hit a Roo or a Baobab tree lately, so that was a dead end.:blank:
I called the USA yesterday and managed to find a brand new one for $301.25 USD, plus approx $60 for shipping. This was by far the cheapest anywhere including NZ and Aus. NZ - $1018, Aus - $850 AUD delivered.
So you see, the Vapour unit would be good if this is how much it is going to cost me.
As another longshot I placed a post on KTM Talk and last night I finally got a reply from a guy in Melbourne. He has two, unbelievable! :clap:
One of them has a broken lens, so as long as it works he said I can buy it off him. I have sent him a PM and we will wait as he is sending me some photos of it.
He wants $300 AUD, so at the end of the day I would be spending over $300 anyway for a vector unit and dashboard. This way I might get the working unit, plug it in and away I go....
Don't know what the mileage is, that's immaterial at this stage.

Have found out that the temp sensor, the oil light are not connected as stated earlier, so thanks for that. The low fuel sensor works on my bike, the FI isn't connected as you would expect.

I know this isn't a wiring loom issue as there was a 640e parked at the bike shop one day. When I took the unit there, I plugged it into the bike. Still blank but lit up just the same as mine.

So, NZKTM may have a working speedo one of these days soon....:clap:
Hope this fella is decent and he sends me a good one, working and doesn't take the money and run....:rolleyes:

[Box'a'bits]

I have decided to keep the original speedo as they look cool, glowing orange at night.
As another longshot I placed a post on KTM Talk and last night I finally got a reply from a guy in Melbourne. He has two, unbelievable! :clap:
One of them has a broken lens, so as long as it works he said I can buy it off him. I have sent him a PM and we will wait as he is sending me some photos of it.
So, NZKTM may have a working speedo one of these days soon....:clap:
Hope this fella is decent and he sends me a good one, working and doesn't take the money and run....:rolleyes:
Do you know if the lens come off? Or will you have to grind it out?
Agree the the stock speedo looks cool, and that this will be better on your bike.
The mileage issue was discussed on the Advrider.com site a while ago. The concensus from the gurus was that they can't be changed. :rolleyes:

[Waihou Thumper]

The lens, which I hope is the screen he is talking about comes off, yes...
The speedo contains about 16 screws, it separates once the screen is off and is held by a belt that goes to the LCD screen.
As for the mileage, I don't care what it has done, the best thing would be to have a working one again that I can see the black numbers.

If the face is cracked, no issue, but if it is the lens of the LCD display then it will be useless as it is a one piece unit with the tape etc, all soldered together.

I have to find out more when he sends photos...

[Waihou Thumper]

I have had the dash off so many times, taken things apart from the back, I could do it blindfolded, yes......seriously....:clap:

The speedo unit is held with four screws, undo the face, and then it is another four, then another four smaller ones to split the unit....On and on it goes....

[Waihou Thumper]

No issues with GPS for Warrant of Fitness either. I gave them a call this morning and she will be sweet for Friday now....
The guy from Melbourne said everything works on the spare, just 10000Km on the clock and the face is cracked, that is all.....

Good news then, might just get it if I sell some stuff on Trade Me....Like TV, DVD player and toys....:clap:

[Waihou Thumper]

I got up early to work on the bike this morning. My second hand replacement speedometer arrived from Melbourne. I posted on KTM talk and it was a one in a million shot. After a few weeks a bloke had one, a spare on he crashed while riding and broke the faceplate.
They cannot be replaced, you got to have the whole unit....Doh...

I plugged it in and took the face plate off my one. I now have a working speedometer! :eek: Yes......

I had to go online to change the wheel size from 17 inch to 21 inch but found out how eventually. They don't tell you in the manual....

So, all good and it works a treat too. Now, all I have to do is find a electronic whizz that can look at the spare one to see what the issue is?

Anyone keen or know of anybody that can work on a 12 volt speedo without it being on a bike?

Thanks for you comments and support, I knew it was the LED but had to eliminate wiring first etc....:first:

[Taz]

I had to go online to change the wheel size from 17 inch to 21 inch but found out how eventually. They don't tell you in the manual....



Yeah damn annoying that. How hard would it have been to include that in the manual? Have to unplug the power wire to access the wheelsize on the 525.

[Woodman]

I got up early to work on the bike this morning. My second hand replacement speedometer arrived from Melbourne. I posted on KTM talk and it was a one in a million shot. After a few weeks a bloke had one, a spare on he crashed while riding and broke the faceplate.
They cannot be replaced, you got to have the whole unit....Doh...

I plugged it in and took the face plate off my one. I now have a working speedometer! :eek: Yes......

I had to go online to change the wheel size from 17 inch to 21 inch but found out how eventually. They don't tell you in the manual....

So, all good and it works a treat too. Now, all I have to do is find a electronic whizz that can look at the spare one to see what the issue is?

Anyone keen or know of anybody that can work on a 12 volt speedo without it being on a bike?

Thanks for you comments and support, I knew it was the LED but had to eliminate wiring first etc....:first:

Theres a place here in nelson called nelspecs which are apparently real good at this sort of thing.

[Waihou Thumper]

Theres a place here in nelson called nelspecs which are apparently real good at this sort of thing.

Can you give me any more details please? Like their pedigree etc....thanks.
Would be good to get it done, worth spending a $100 or so to get an idea as to what it is....

[Waihou Thumper]

Yeah damn annoying that. How hard would it have been to include that in the manual? Have to unplug the power wire to access the wheelsize on the 525.

Yeah, but for my one, it was a matter of just holding in both buttons for about 12 seconds, it recycles between 17, 19, and 21...
The lil rugby ball KTM speedo is much different but yes, I think you have to disconnect etc....

[Woodman]

Can you give me any more details please? Like their pedigree etc....thanks.
Would be good to get it done, worth spending a $100 or so to get an idea as to what it is....

all I know really is that they are very well regarded in the motortrade when it comes to sorting awkward electronic type issues. pretty sure they have other strings to their bow too. Give them a call and have a chat to see what they think.

[rogerh]

Anyone keen or know of anybody that can work on a 12 volt speedo without it being on a bike?


Hey Mark, can you bring it over to Hamilton when you are coming sometime? I can have a look, and if I get stuck, I know a few people smarter than me.

Let me know.
Roger

[Waihou Thumper]

Hey Mark, can you bring it over to Hamilton when you are coming sometime? I can have a look, and if I get stuck, I know a few people smarter than me.

Let me know.
Roger

After talking to you on the ride, you mentioned it...Yes, thanks..
I will definitely do that...Thanks..
It would be nice to have a working spare. I bet my right testicle or that Eddie or Cary will buy a KTM that it is an easy fix.....:eek:

I heard through the grape vine that someone rang a certain Motorbike shop and offered a trade in deal on a Tiger for a KTM, hmmm, who could that be...:) Go Orange...hehe

[rogerh]

I will definitely do that...Thanks..


See you when you drop it in

[Taz]

I bet my right testicle or that Eddie or Cary will buy a KTM that it is an easy fix.....:eek:

Is that the bigger of the 2 raisins? :lol:

[Waihou Thumper]

Is that the bigger of the 2 raisins? :lol:

The biggest..yes...:niceone:

[Moki]

Vapor.

+1

[Waihou Thumper]

Vapor.

+1

Got the genuine article shipped second hand for the same price or cheaper than the Vapor and dash unit, plus if this one is fixed I have two...Thanks for the recommendation though...:done: