Stopping to 'have a go'

[Tubbsy]

Morning all.

Got cut off and had to brake fairly sharply this morning to avoid road-kill time. Silly be-otch pulled straight in front of me to cross my lane to get to the service station. Thing is, there was easily a km of clear road behind me. :nono:

Luckily I pre-judged the awesome stupidy about to happen so was ready for it. First instinct was to pull in to the petrol station next to her and ask her if she got hers drivers licence out of a farken wheet bix packet.....but I didn't cos it would entail stopping. :rolleyes:

Just wondering.....for those of you that HAVE stopped to tell an idiot motorist off, how does it normally play out? I mean, it doesn't change anything that happened, dunno if they'd learn from it (maybe they might), and I'd imagine you'd be left with a pretty awkward pause at the end of it before riding away.

[Duc]

Would you stop if it happened to you while driving your car?

When on a MC, we feel extra vulnerable and therefore extra aggrieved when this happens. It does not happen to MCs any more than it hapens to cars.

The lesson always is "extra vigilance and alertness" on a MC

[Tubbsy]

Would you stop if it happened to you while driving your car?

Nope, but then, if I was in my car they generally don't turn in front of me....my other bike is a Van.:niceone:

[Lurch]

The only real solution to NZ driver's lack of motorcycle awareness is to get more bikes on the road. It is every motorcyclists duty to get at least two cage drivers riding a motorcycle. :2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

It's a feel good exercise. You have a go - they get defensive and have a go back... you get wound up a bit more... and they do and you do and they do... and so on.

Good for anyone passing by too... gives them something to liven up their otherwise boring days. I'm not sure anything actually comes of it other than that

[CookMySock]

Coin paintwork. Don't discuss.

Steve

[Katman]

Just pat yourself on the back for avoiding the situation and get back to concentrating on your ride.

[Tubbsy]

Just pat yourself on the back

Amental pat whilst riding right?:niceone:

[sunhuntin]

ive never stopped to have a go, but have yelled plenty of abuse while still moving. only time ive stopped was when i was forced to to avoid running into the old bats drivers door after she changed her mind about turning left after i had started to overtake. i dunno whether she heard a thing i said [pretty old, so may have been deaf] but it made me feel a bit better. took me a while i stop shaking though.

[scumdog]

Coin paintwork. Don't discuss.

Steve

Shee-it Steve, imagine the time it would take them to coin "YOU SILLY COW, YOU CUT ME OFF AND ALMOST CAUSED ME TO CRASH" along the car door.:crazy: - I mean you would HAVE to do that - a mere scratch along the door with a coin wouldn't tell her why you were pissed off, would it?;)

Wouldn't it be quicker/safer to pull up alongside her and holler "Ya blind queer bitch, use yer eyes when you drive and ya might not have me yellin' at you for cutting me off back there" and then ride off.

[vifferman]

Just wondering.....for those of you that HAVE stopped to tell an idiot motorist off, how does it normally play out?
I suspect it made no difference at all. I was nearly sideswiped by an Asian lady, and followed her to her destination ( a bit out of my way), parked beside her, waited till she wound her window down, and told her what she'd done, and to look carefully next time before changing lanes. She looked kinda scared and surprised, and just nodded dumbly. Interestingly (or not), it was Eggs Zachary the same reaction I got when I told another Asian lady her BMW's back tyre was completely flat. SHe obviously didn't know what to do with the information, so just ignored it and kept on driving. I was really disappointed it didn't peel off the rim, causing her to crash into flames or off the side of the Harbour Bridge (would've been entertaining). She drove all the way from Onewa Road into the CBD (about 6km or more?) with no air in the tyre. :eek5:

I think the trick here is to actually crash into them (or at least near them). It worked very well to get the attention of the two cars, cyclist and pedestrian I've done it to, and the driver of the one car that cut me off and caused me to crash my (newly repaired) VFR750 certainly seemed very shaken up by it. Perhaps me screaming "YOU STUPID BITCH!!" at her made my irritation fairly evident.... :whistle: Of course, I felt bad afterwards - once again, it was just (uncontrolled but justifiable) venting, and she was very apologetic and totally accepted blame. The two detectives that were right there at the time were glad they didn't need to get involved.

[Tubbsy]

I think the trick here is to actually crash into them (or at least near them).

Ha ha ha...excellent post. Got a chickle, although I think that's one trick I'll try not to learn.

Possibly, the reason for the same looks of consternation you got was that, it was akin to you being told of in Chinese. They may have not have had a clue what you were saying.

[Max Preload]

I've found actions (with the boot in the door panel or downward swing of the fist onto expensive wing mirrors) speak louder than words.

[duckonin]

Most reactions create a reaction,:argue: when it comes to car verses bike then it is a no brainer, verbal shit only makes you get wound up and you will still be spitting sparks 15min's later...:devil2:

What happened happened and nothing is ever going to change it.....ride on, yep I do know that is hard to DO!! but ride on and enjoy your day, because the idgit that caused it all will be enjoying theirs..

But never forget what happened and be aware next time, ride safe enjoy life :niceone:

[bogan]

i havent ever stopped, except that time i didnt manage to stop in time.... I reckon if you get cut of or whatever, give them a tut-tut, make sure they look ashamed, then go on your merry way. If they have no idea they cut you off its probably a good time to stop and chat.

[Conquiztador]

Straight pipes solves that problem!

[megageoff76]

I once made a hand gesture at some scum bag on an old Triumph, after he almost ran me off the road in the burbs trying to prove how tough he was.

Once he saw this in his mirrors, he slowed right down and then signalled for us both to pull over and park up for a fist fight!

[vifferman]

Possibly, the reason for the same looks of consternation you got was that, it was akin to you being told of in Chinese. They may have not have had a clue what you were saying.
You're probably right. But why not say, "No speak Engrish!" or shake their heads or give the universal "I dunno what the fuck you're on about" gesture?
Saving face?
"Oh..yeah... my tyres fucked but even though I can afford a nice car, I can't afford the time to find out what I need to do to drive one and take care of it. I'll just pretend everything's OK and hope that everything works out OK."
Rrriiiiiiiiiight....

[duckonin]

I once made a hand gesture at some scum bag on an old Triumph, after he almost ran me off the road in the burbs trying to prove how tough he was.

Once he saw this in his mirrors, he slowed right down and then signalled for us both to pull over and park up for a fist fight!

AND!!!!:rolleyes:

[Maha]

Just pat yourself on the back for avoiding the situation and get back to concentrating on your ride.

Exactly, no need to 'bash the mirrors' on this occassion eh Steve?.....:niceone:

[Tubbsy]

Actually, this brings another question to the fore. All this mirror bashing and coin scratching, don't you get fined for that, or had up on charges? I mean, we DO have a licence plate on the back of the bike which identifies us.

[duckonin]

Actually, this brings another question to the fore. All this mirror bashing and coin scratching, don't you get fined for that, or had up on charges? I mean, we DO have a licence plate on the back of the bike which identifies us.

If you were on a stolen bike it would be all good..:niceone:

[megageoff76]

AND!!!!:rolleyes:

This guy looked fuckin hard as nails, so needless to say I got the hell out of there.

I did think for a moment that he looked like the type who would then follow me home and then go to work on me with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

[CookMySock]

imagine the time it would take them to coin "YOU SILLY COW, YOU CUT ME OFF AND ALMOST CAUSED ME TO CRASH" along the car door.:crazy: - I mean you would HAVE to do thatNope. Too much "discussing" involved. Deep coin mark only. Ride off.


Wouldn't it be quicker/safer to pull up alongside her and holler "Ya blind queer bitch, use yer eyes when you drive and ya might not have me yellin' at you for cutting me off back there" and then ride off.You are discussing again. No discussing! Discussing = talk on cereal box!


I think the trick here is to actually crash into them (or at least near them). It worked very well to get the attention of the two cars, cyclist and pedestrian I've done it to, and the driver of the one car that cut me off and caused me to crash my (newly repaired) VFR750 certainly seemed very shaken up by it. Perhaps me screaming "YOU STUPID FUCKIN' BITCH!!" at her made my irritation fairly evident.... :whistle:Yup. Aim for drivers' door. They will never do that again.


Straight pipes solves that problem!and of course this is the best solution.. add to it a scary-bright headlight.. to let every bastard know you are there - there's no way they will pull out in front of some asshole biker coming at them like a freight train, unless they want to die today.

edit:
This guy looked fuckin hard as nails, so needless to say I got the hell out of there. I did think for a moment that he looked like the type who would then follow me home and then go to work on me with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.Hehe, so you took care not to pull out in front of him? Hmmmm?

Steve

[Tubbsy]

This guy looked fuckin hard as nails

Looks can be deceiving....although in saying that....he DID stop to have a punch up. Bet if he followed you'd have done some trick riding you didn't know you could do.
:clap:

[short-circuit]

Actually, this brings another question to the fore. All this mirror bashing and coin scratching, don't you get fined for that, or had up on charges? I mean, we DO have a licence plate on the back of the bike which identifies us.

Coin scratching is more a cowardly tactic used long after the Mr Whippy truck goes night night.

Totally implausable with full gear on anyways (he's fulla shite)

[Badjelly]

I have occasionally stopped to remonstrate with motorists who have cut me off. More often on my bicycle than my motorbike. The usual sequence of events: they say "I'm sorry, I didn't see you" and I say "Oh well, that's all right then, please be more careful next time."

I agree with the poster who said that you tend to be more touchy on these things while on a 2-wheel vehicle. These days I tend to give a cheery wave and drive on.

[Oscar]

Actually, this brings another question to the fore. All this mirror bashing and coin scratching, don't you get fined for that, or had up on charges? I mean, we DO have a licence plate on the back of the bike which identifies us.

Don't listen to the Interweb Warriors.

The fact is that everyone makes mistakes, and from some car drivers point of view a Motorcycle is a fast moving, small and alien object. The Hurt Study in the US showed that car drivers who fail to give way to motorcycles and cyclists are much less likely to have had personal experience with those forms of transport than the average 'Merican. The conclusion drawn was that these people simply didn't recognize two wheelers as other road users.

If it happens again - try to make eye contact with the other person (at the next lights or in their mirrors), and raise one or both hands with the palms up, giving the universal "..what the fuck?" gesture. This gets your point across and reinforces to the driver that he's dealing with real person and valid road user and maybe the next time they'll look twice...

[Oscar]

Nope. Too much "discussing" involved. Deep coin mark only. Ride off.

You are discussing again. No discussing! Discussing = talk on cereal box!

Yup. Aim for drivers' door. They will never do that again.

and of course this is the best solution.. add to it a scary-bright headlight.. to let every bastard know you are there - there's no way they will pull out in front of some asshole biker coming at them like a freight train, unless they want to die today.

edit:Hehe, so you took care not to pull out in front of him? Hmmmm?

Steve

I'm picking that if you ever did coin a car, it would be a very deep gouge indeed, as you undoubtedly have an extremely overdeveloped right wrist.

[Ecclesnz]

This guy looked fuckin hard as nails, so needless to say I got the hell out of there.

I did think for a moment that he looked like the type who would then follow me home and then go to work on me with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.

I would have the but the blowie was out of fuel you lucky bugger :P

[steve_t]

This is kinda turning into the same thread from the other day by Katman :Pokey:
However, has anyone here actually come to blows with another motorist? I'd be thinking that a biker would be quite well protected againsts fists and kicks while the armoured gloves would do some extra damage to the other guys face/ribs. :argue:
Or is it all just keyboard warrior stuff again? :clap:

[Badjelly]

...These days I tend to give a cheery wave and drive on.

Of course there was the time I kicked the door of a car as it passed me... :(

But the cheery wave does work better.

[Tubbsy]

This is kinda turning into the same thread from the other day by Katman :Pokey:
However, has anyone here actually come to blows with another motorist? I'd be thinking that a biker would be quite well protected againsts fists and kicks while the armoured gloves would do some extra damage to the other guys face/ribs. :argue:
Or is it all just keyboard warrior stuff again? :clap:

That's what I reckon, we are dressed to be protected when coming off a motorcycle, so I reckon we'd have an advantage in fisticuffs. Don't imagine too many folks would have come to blows though....but I could be wrong.

[scumdog]

Coin scratching is more a cowardly tactic used long after the Mr Whippy truck goes night night.

Totally implausable with full gear on anyways (he's fulla shite)

MAYBE, just maybe...he rides around with a coin held in his teeth and wearing fingerless gloves - THEN he might be quick at using the coin than saying something.:crazy:

And EVERYBODY knows that if your car gets coined by somebody on a motorbike it's 'cos you had just cut them off somewhere - so no explanation would be needed, right? Steve??:rolleyes:




The sad thing is some n00b on KB will read some of these 'coin-the-dumb-bastards-car' (as opposed to DangerousBastards) threads and now think coining is (a) effective at solving the 'problem' and (b) ALL motorcyclists use this form of driver 'education'....

[icekiwi]

That's what I reckon, we are dressed to be protected when coming off a motorcycle, so I reckon we'd have an advantage in fisticuffs. Don't imagine too many folks would have come to blows though....but I could be wrong.

Just try throwing a punch in your riding gear....
And check out how quick you were with it...
Its a no brainer really...

[Katman]

Blah, blah, blah.............

:tugger:<hgvhgvhjv>

[short-circuit]

That's what I reckon, we are dressed to be protected when coming off a motorcycle, so I reckon we'd have an advantage in fisticuffs. Don't imagine too many folks would have come to blows though....but I could be wrong.

In terms of protection from getting hit yes - but then the aim is to land damage not take it and leathers are quite restrictive.

Also I'd be worried about my bike being damaged/knocked over - insurance or not it's my baby

[Tubbsy]

'An eye for an eye makes the world blind'

Gotta be a better way to hedumacate motorists than kicking their doors in???

[been_there]

In the last week I have been cut off twice...
Both times pulled along side drivers door..and shot him with my left hand!!! :2guns:
Intimidation hell yes!!!
No point yelling they cant hear u.

[sinfull]

A simple two finger gesture towards your visor/eyes works for me ! You become numb to the fact it will allways happen if you commute in traffic, it's a numbers game just like rootin dirty girls, your gonna cop a dose if ya have enough of em !

[Maha]

Morning all.

Got cut off and had to brake fairly sharply this morning to avoid road-kill time. Silly be-otch pulled straight in front of me to cross my lane to get to the service station. Thing is, there was easily a km of clear road behind me. :nono:

Luckily I pre-judged the awesome stupidy about to happen so was ready for it. First instinct was to pull in to the petrol station next to her and ask her if she got hers drivers licence out of a farken wheet bix packet.....but I didn't cos it would entail stopping. :rolleyes:

Just wondering.....for those of you that HAVE stopped to tell an idiot motorist off, how does it normally play out? I mean, it doesn't change anything that happened, dunno if they'd learn from it (maybe they might), and I'd imagine you'd be left with a pretty awkward pause at the end of it before riding away.

Reading through the thread, as per usual in threads of this nature, theres a lot of 'chest beating' going on. Throw in a pinch of interweb hype and and theres the recipe for 'I make dumb Muffins'....baked extemely fast without much thought, just chuck everthing in and see what happens.

End of the day, from time to time, these things happen, and will continue to happen for years to come. Not alot of good will come from stopping and venting. They wont listen, they think they have nothing wrong and that you are a complete wanker. A simple hand gesture is suffice, they then know you are pissed about something, what exactly will remain a mistery to them.
Deep breath, happy thoughts, ride on....bearing in mind it will happen again.

[duckonin]

'An eye for an eye makes the world blind'

Gotta be a better way to hedumacate motorists than kicking their doors in???

TOOOOO late Tubbsy to hedumacate, to many in the world, it would be like pushing back water, every person has their own agenda, and fuck any one else..sad but true, it is a matter of :Playnice:

[Oscar]

The fact is that some of the old codgers here are passing on the benefit of their experiences, whereas some of the idjuts here are posting their fetid Rambo fantasies.

When I was about 18 and full of piss and wind, I was out riding with two buddies in Hamilton. On Morrinsville Road, some wanker carved up Dave and got the fingers from him as a result. I didn't even see what had happened and Dave didn't realise was that this had somewhat annoyed the chap in the car. So when the three of us stopped at the Hillcrest shops, the car appeared and swerved at high speed towards where we were parking our bikes and came within inches of making Davey Boy a grease spot...

It turned out the car was full of outraged Polynesian gentlemen wearing red and black. So here I was in the middle of an incident I hadn't even been aware of, beating a hasty retreat on my trusty TS185 through alleyways and across Marist Park to escape...

[Katman]

to many in the world, it would be like pushing back water,

My middle name is Moses.

[short-circuit]

If you have the luxury of time a brown eye (kneeling on your seat with the sidestand down) alongside the driver's window can be quite effective in getting the message across.

Wouldn't even attempt this on the move though - the driver might not see you again

[Maha]

My middle name is Moses.

I thought he passed water at the red sea??

[vifferman]

It turned out the car was full of outraged Polynesian gentlemen wearing red and black.
That's a completely different kettle of pish - those guys deliberately look for or cause aggro. It's a waste of time doing anything more than taking a fdeep breath, counting to 10, and trying to put it out of your mind. However (but!) for the motorists that DO care about their driving, or who like to think they have "above average" driving skills (which should be about 90% of motorists, right?), calmly and politely pointing out to them they need to take more care with indicating / changing lanes / looking twice at intersections or whatever if they wish to avoid a new piece of abstract motorcycle art adorning their beloved shitbox may just result in a very slight but welcome improvement in the Motorcycle vs. Other Vehicle statistics. It might conceivably even mean that one day, somewhere, a biker isn't killed, maimed, or even just pissed off by a near miss.

[Dealer]

how many of us can take the moral highground and say we haven't cut in front of someone? I know i can't, yet it still pisses me off when it happens to me. Better to just let it go, least it escalates into something bigger.
Express your dissatisfaction by all means, but do you really have to damage someone elses property to make a point? :nono:
Problem is, most drivers get tunnel vision after cutting people off, and avoid looking at your gestures too.

[Tubbsy]

It might conceivably even mean that one day, somewhere, a biker isn't killed, maimed, or even just pissed off by a near miss.

This is the whole point of starting this thread. What happened to me happened, no changing it. But to have some kind of cause and effect from it where we can maybe stop another biker from becoming a statistic would be good.

[Oscar]

how many of us can take the moral highground and say we haven't cut in front of someone? I know i can't, yet it still pisses me off when it happens to me. Better to just let it go, least it escalates into something bigger.
Express your dissatisfaction by all means, but do you really have to damage someone elses property to make a point? :nono:
Problem is, most drivers get tunnel vision after cutting people off, and avoid looking at your gestures too.

I'll put my hand up.
I failed to give way to a motorcyclist in my car a coupla months go and he had to take avoiding action. I was mortified - I missed him by inches...

[duckonin]

We all have horns, toot toot, have found over the years, if you use it two things can happen passive "sorry " reaction or total aggression, all in the way u use it, but at least others have the situation bought to their attention so in the case of a confrontation:argue: of a sorts you would at least have witnesses...

[Ecclesnz]

'An eye for an eye makes the world blind'

Gotta be a better way to hedumacate motorists than kicking their doors in???

There is, I drive a cage and ride a bike. I can honestly say that if I made a mistake and some numtpy decided the best way to bring it to my attention was to kick my door in or key my car I would probably get _really_ pissed. We're not talking shout and rant and rave, we're talking make a new hyosung speedbump in the road type pissed.

With all that goes on in traffic unfortunately it can be very easy to miss something like a motorbike, especially if they are doing anything slightly out of the ordinary or blocked by another vehicle. Unfortunately the bext thing to do on a bike is act as if no one else can see you. It is likely to save you grief. If someone pulls out and had not seen you, give them a gesture, toot your horn, shout at them whatever. Realise they are human too. They might not have realised from front on how quickly you were going, or how close you were.

If on the other hand you know that the person did see you and decided to be a c*nt, get their plate details, call the cops. Send them a nasty card with a photo of a couple of kids telling them that they nearly made those kids orphans by their behaviour (the driver would have no way of knowing they were not actually their kids). Make them think about their actions and the possible consequences of them.

If you resort to wanton destruction one day you are likely to meet someone like me. I will do all I can to help people. I always try to believe the best in others however there are some things that will make me snap. If you attack my vehicle I have every right to believe you will attack me as well and I will defend myself accordingly. Yes your gear will help save you in a fist fight, not so much so if I park on your bike.


**Please note I would never suggest violence as a solution to almost anything. Unfortunately as seen in recent nes events somepeople will do serious damage after small trigger events. If I or my vehicle is attacked I do not know the idiot doing it is planning to stop after a little damage and will react accordingly. This is the main flaw in the "key their car" or "kick in their door" plans. In doing this _you_ are the attacker, they just made a mistake. Be fully prepared for the consequences these actions may bring.

[Squid]

Morning all.

Got cut off and had to brake fairly sharply this morning to avoid road-kill time. Silly be-otch pulled straight in front of me to cross my lane to get to the service station. Thing is, there was easily a km of clear road behind me. :nono:

Luckily I pre-judged the awesome stupidy about to happen so was ready for it. First instinct was to pull in to the petrol station next to her and ask her if she got hers drivers licence out of a farken wheet bix packet.....but I didn't cos it would entail stopping. :rolleyes:

Just wondering.....for those of you that HAVE stopped to tell an idiot motorist off, how does it normally play out? I mean, it doesn't change anything that happened, dunno if they'd learn from it (maybe they might), and I'd imagine you'd be left with a pretty awkward pause at the end of it before riding away.

Cant say I've ever stopped to tell a cage driver off. Air horns work a treat at expressing displeasure!
I put em on my little VT250, only had enough room to install one of the trumpets under the fairings though so it was a little louder then intended... Took a while to get used to them, used to make me jump every time I tooted till I got used of it. :banana:

[oldrider]

Getting old has it's compensations, when it comes to taking "remedial" action you are not in the same physical ball park any more! :Pokey:

The remedy is, if your brain still works, use it and use it wisely, there may not be much of that left either!

If we (motorcyclists) want to be respected then we have to first earn that respect by our own behaviour!

Motorcyclists are not generally respected (or noticed) by other road users because it is believed that we are both, dangerous and unnecessary!

This attitude is propagated by those in Authority, emulated by other motorists and supported by the general public at large!

Unfortunately their attitude is "substantiated" and "supported" by the behaviour of "some" of us motorcyclists!

Yes, sometimes I too, am guilty of contributing to this! :o

Who do non-motorcyclists and the general public remember most?

The minority of us idiots of course, it justifies their negative attitudes! (that motorcyclists are unnecessary, expensive, temporary New Zealanders)

Those in authority raise our costs wherever they can (ACC etc) to the enthusiastic and loud applause of the rest of the general public!

The silly part is, "we" encourage them, by our own behaviour! :spanking:

If motorcyclists want to be held in respect by the rest of the nation, we have to earn it!

When they respect us they might see us, maybe even give way to us because of our obvious (according to them) vulnerability! :ride:

[short-circuit]

Getting old has it's compensations, when it comes to taking "remedial" action you are not in the same physical ball park any more! :Pokey:

The remedy is, if your brain still works, use it and use it wisely, there may not be much of that left either!

If we (motorcyclists) want to be respected then we have to first earn that respect by our own behaviour!

Motorcyclists are not generally respected (or noticed) by other road users because it is believed that we are both, dangerous and unnecessary!

This attitude is propagated by those in Authority, emulated by other motorists and supported by the general public at large!

Unfortunately their attitude is "substantiated" and "supported" by the behaviour of "some" of us motorcyclists!

Yes, sometimes I too, am guilty of contributing to this! :o

Who do non-motorcyclists and the general public remember most?

The minority of us idiots of course, it justifies their negative attitudes! (that motorcyclists are unnecessary, expensive, temporary New Zealanders)

Those in authority raise our costs wherever they can (ACC etc) to the enthusiastic and loud applause of the rest of the general public!

The silly part is, "we" encourage them, by our own behaviour! :spanking:

If motorcyclists want to be held in respect by the rest of the nation, we have to earn it!

When they respect us they might see us, maybe even give way to us because of our obvious (according to them) vulnerability! :ride:

:Oi: that's way too sensible to take seriously

[CookMySock]

The sad thing is some n00b on KB will read some of these 'coin-the-dumb-bastards-car' (as opposed to DangerousBastards) threads and now think coining is (a) effective at solving the 'problem' and (b) ALL motorcyclists use this form of driver 'education'....Thats not a sad thing, thats an awesome thing. :killingme

We aren't trying to solve anyones' problem, scumdog. We are just blowing smoke on some bs biker internet forum. I highly doubt some newb is going to take this sort of bs talk as "real life", and seriously, if anyone wants to smash someones car mirror or window (or doesn't) I doubt anything that you, I, or anyone else says is going to change it.

All that is happening here, is blowing off steam by a few individuals rolling around ideas, and others that disagree with them taking issue and talking down at them.. yeah thats you by the way, so really there is nothing you can "do" to fix the problem, so all you are going to get is wound up about it, so why bother?


The fact is that some of the old codgers here are passing on the benefit of their experiences, whereas some of the idjuts here are posting their fetid Rambo fantasies.Sure, but it's not nice to call people idiots. That just adds to the level of insult and injury, and we were all mates before someone started that, and if we weren't mates, then why post? Unless insult and injury is the whole point..


When I was about 18 and full of piss and wind, I was out riding with two buddies [..] some wanker carved up Dave and got the fingers from him [...] It turned out the car was full of outraged Polynesian gentlemen wearing red and black. So here I wasYeah thats the dark side of it, and to be fair, that is a concern of mine also. It's pretty tough to win such a fight, unless you can go cross-country, or find some other method to get plenty of air between you and them.

Steve

[Katman]

Getting old has it's compensations, when it comes to taking "remedial" action you are not in the same physical ball park any more! :Pokey:

The remedy is, if your brain still works, use it and use it wisely, there may not be much of that left either!

If we (motorcyclists) want to be respected then we have to first earn that respect by our own behaviour!

Motorcyclists are not generally respected (or noticed) by other road users because it is believed that we are both, dangerous and unnecessary!

This attitude is propagated by those in Authority, emulated by other motorists and supported by the general public at large!

Unfortunately their attitude is "substantiated" and "supported" by the behaviour of "some" of us motorcyclists!

Yes, sometimes I too, am guilty of contributing to this! :o

Who do non-motorcyclists and the general public remember most?

The minority of us idiots of course, it justifies their negative attitudes! (that motorcyclists are unnecessary, expensive, temporary New Zealanders)

Those in authority raise our costs wherever they can (ACC etc) to the enthusiastic and loud applause of the rest of the general public!

The silly part is, "we" encourage them, by our own behaviour! :spanking:

If motorcyclists want to be held in respect by the rest of the nation, we have to earn it!

When they respect us they might see us, maybe even give way to us because of our obvious (according to them) vulnerability! :ride:

If there was room to make this post my new signature, I would.

[Big Dave]

I fully expect a number of drivers and/or riders to do something stupid every time I put the key in the ignition. So I prepare, focus and mindset accordingly.

Thus when it does inevitably happen that some knob jockey changes lanes/pulls out/fucks up near me I'm ready for it - and instead of getting angry and need to 'have a go' I actually smile inwardly and think 'that took longer/less time than usual' and continue to enjoy the day/ride/life and don't let some dick in a car ruin it.

[Oakie]

I ride expecting people to do dumb shit and try to kill me. When it happens therefore it is no surprise so I don't get too emotionally wound up in it. If I have the opportunity though I will give them a cheery 'wave' just to express "I am a tad miffed at your foolishness".

[CookMySock]

If I or my vehicle is attacked I do not know the idiot doing it is planning to stop after a little damage and will react accordingly.LOL WHUT?


I can honestly say that if I made a mistake and some numtpy decided the best way to bring it to my attention was to kick my door in or key my car I would probably get _really_ pissed. We're not talking shout and rant and rave, we're talking make a new hyosung speedbump in the road type pissed. [...] Yes your gear will help save you in a fist fight, not so much so if I park on your bike.

Right, so perhaps you are saying if I coined your car that means next I am going to rape your animals and steal your wife? so now you are going to kill me?

It's one thing to get pissed off and mark someones paint, but what you have suggested is a completely new level of violence, and that puts you in a very special category.

Steve

[DangerMice]

One incident brings a chuckle.

I had a guy 50 or 60 meters up the road pull over & park in a clearway in rush hour traffic (the lane I was in). I briefly tootled the horn as I went past and he flipped me the bird. I stopped at the lights a little further up, looked back and shook my head a couple of times. :no:

He gets out of the car and starts walking down the lane towards me. I said (nicely) "its after 4pm mate, you can't park in the clearway", but he didn't hear me and must have thought I abused him because his stance got all aggressive and started yelling "what did you say? WHAT DID YOU SAY!". He was a huge Samoan guy, I thought "here we go", but just calmly repeated what I said.

He kind of froze and I could see the gears working in his head, the light came on and he was all "awwww sorry bro, sorry bro, my bad. Thanks for letting me know, I'll go move it". I gave him a thumbs up and carried on, laughing all the way. (I was kinda glad he didn't hit me too).

So all in all, a pointless altercation, i would have been better to ignore it.

[vifferman]

The thing about getting emotional when driving, and taking things too personally, is things can escalate very quickly as adrenaline kicks in, and rapidly get out of hand. Being on a bike, you're at a distinct disadvantage, apart from being able to slip thorugh the traffic fairly readily.
Road rage is DUMB. It's destructive, doesn't make people think, "My bad - I'd better not cut people off in future / check my mirrors, etc." Instead it becomes personal and is atken as a personal attack.
You've got to remember, most people think they're a better'n average driver. The aim if they fuck up is to make them realise they've made a mistake and need to take more care, not to be distracted by some vandal inflicting damage on their Falcadore GTS Prosthetic Penis.

[Badjelly]

If there was room to make this post my new signature, I would.

Oscar Wilde: I wish I'd said that.

James Whistler: You will, Oscar, you will.

[Oscar]

Thats not a sad thing, thats an awesome thing. :killingme

We aren't trying to solve anyones' problem, scumdog. We are just blowing smoke on some bs biker internet forum. I highly doubt some newb is going to take this sort of bs talk as "real life", and seriously, if anyone wants to smash someones car mirror or window (or doesn't) I doubt anything that you, I, or anyone else says is going to change it.

All that is happening here, is blowing off steam by a few individuals rolling around ideas, and others that disagree with them taking issue and talking down at them.. yeah thats you by the way, so really there is nothing you can "do" to fix the problem, so all you are going to get is wound up about it, so why bother?

Sure, but it's not nice to call people idiots. That just adds to the level of insult and injury, and we were all mates before someone started that, and if we weren't mates, then why post? Unless insult and injury is the whole point..

Yeah thats the dark side of it, and to be fair, that is a concern of mine also. It's pretty tough to win such a fight, unless you can go cross-country, or find some other method to get plenty of air between you and them.

Steve

So if we're only blowing smoke on some BS biker forum, why get upset about being called an idiot? Your post was idiotic after all, wasn't it?

The person who started the thread asked for our opinion, and we both gave it. Mine was about being careful - don't get yourself into a worse situation, but try to make the point to the other driver that you would like to share the road without getting hurt.

Being as how there are a lot of red blooded young fellas on this board, who may not have the age, experience or life skills to realize that you are posting "BS" - your opinion could get someone hurt.

[Tubbsy]

My take on this, even though I posed the original question, is don't do anything physical. As another poster said, if I was in my car and some biker kicked my door in or busted my mirror, I would lose it too. So acting on anger would achieve nothing, or nothing good anyway, apart from maybe a second of satisfation before getting run over.

But at the same time, educating people that we are road users too, and in fact, are far more vulnerable is the tough bit.

Yeh we're all blowing of steam on the forum. Unfortunately, the problem is all too real. Take for instance how many close calls each one of us have had....that's a lot combined. Maybe the only way to teach is lead by example.

Why do we pose such an unkown quantity to car drivers that to the majority we are pretty much non-users of the road, and no courtesy is displayed?

[Ixion]

Yup. Aim for drivers' door. They will never do that again.

Done that. Wrote off the bitches Austin A30. She was notorious, NEVER would give way to a motorcycle. Even claimed that bikes couldn't have right of way.

So one day I'm pootling along on the A10 (solid cast iron them things) and she pulls out in front of me. Not stupidity, she SAW me right enough just arrogance.

I thought "fuck you", a few weeks back she'd had a mate off quite badly (where the "motorbikes can't have right of way" came from). So, I braked until I was fairly slow, down into first gear (remember A30s took several weeks to accelerate up to 10 mph), and rammed her dead athwart the drivers door. On a rising throttle and braced for impact.

I was fine, A10 had a scratch on the front mudguard paint, her Austin got written off . And she got a ticket for failing to give way. to add to her collection.

Another time some cunt decided to deliberately open his front door on me.

So I rammed it.

Old style car where the door has a little metal strap to stop it opening too far and hitting the front guard. broke the strap rammed the door into the front guard. He was irate. Not such a good joke after all , eh.


Got cut off and had to brake fairly sharply this morning to avoid road-kill time. Silly be-otch pulled straight in front of me to cross my lane to get to the service station. ..

Just wondering.....for those of you that HAVE stopped to tell an idiot motorist off, how does it normally play out?.

Firstly, you get used to it. I expects several such occurrences a week, seldom take much notice of them now

Secondly, I find it's best to be going a tad faster than other traffic.

Thirdly , there are things you can do to mitigate the likelihood. A good one is , if you see someone waiting to pop out of a side street (and you should *always* expect that they will, give way rule be buggered), stare straight at them and swerve toward them.

Fourthly. If it was actually stupidity it can be worth stopping for a little chat. If it's not inconvenient. most of the time it's apparently a waste of time. But y' never know.The guy that responds agressively may actually take on board "Shouldn't do that. Oh. " And remember it next time, even though he won't agree with you at the time.

And there are a SHITLOAD of drivers out there who genuinely don't know the rules. Don't be agressive, just do the "You know, you nearly caused a very serious accident there. Do you realise the law says ... ".

I've done it many times. With variable success. The cunts that deliberately try to kill you are another matter.

[Ixion]

Why do we pose such an unkown quantity to car drivers that to the majority we are pretty much non-users of the road, and no courtesy is displayed?

We don't. They do it to everybody. They do it to me when I'm in the Pajero. Weighs two tonne, solid as a solid shithouse, VERY few vehicles are going to come off best in a tangle with it. But they still pull out in front of it, try to occupy the space I'm in etc.

Maybe not so much as a bike, but that's probably just down to visibility

Thing is , most cagers are just too downright stupid NOT to do stuff like that. Remember, every other cage on the road is, by definition, driven by someone of subnormal intelligence.

[Ecclesnz]

Lol red repped for my post and given this comment
"you are an asshole. The really dangerous sort. The sort that kill people because you feel angry."

While I can't tell who you are yet, you just didn't get it. I'm not likely to go off and kill someone at the drop of a hat. Someone crashes into me, on my bike, in my car, what ever, I'm not going to go off and hit them (as others on this forum have previously indicated they would).

When people talk about kicking in doors and all that sort of crap recently the first thing that comes to mind is the elderly guy killed in Auckland recently after the fender bender.

An accident is an accident, I willful act of damage is something entirely different. If you are prepared to do damage to my car because of an almost accident in traffic where will you stop? Are you the next guy who will beat someone to death because of a small oops?

It can be a little hard to tell if you're running a piece of metal along my car or kicking in a door. In your tiny little mind you may be just trying to "learn the cager a lesson on manners" to the guy in the car you may be warming up before you really tee off on me. How do I tell the difference?

[CookMySock]

My take on this, even though I posed the original question, is don't do anything physical.Like run a biker over while he's on his bike? Make a new speedhump on the road out of him? Kill him because he just scratched your paint and now he is going to do something more to you?


Yeh we're all blowing of steam on the forum. Unfortunately, the problem is all too real. Take for instance how many close calls each one of us have had....that's a lot combined. Maybe the only way to teach is lead by example. The problem isn't "too real" at all. I have had for more abusive approaches than any poster in this thread so far... by a wiiiide margin, and I feel safer on the road on my bike than in my car.. Take a look at the numbers - you have had one abusive and threatening approach? Over how many years? One other poster has had one abusive and threatening approach? Over how many years? The chances of such a thing are statisically microscopic overall, provided we don't go out to deliberately pick fights.


Why do we pose such an unkown quantity to car drivers that to the majority we are pretty much non-users of the road, and no courtesy is displayed?NO courtesy? Where did you get that from? It's tempting to take one incident and garner support in some internet forum for it (trivial) and then project it onto the rest of society, but it is still no more than your own projection.

The courtesy I am extended from cars is enormous.. I think it's you who is doing something wrong. Ask yourself what you believe.

Steve

[Katman]

I have had for more abusive approaches than any poster in this thread so far... by a wiiiide margin



Perhaps if you didn't talk such shit...........

[Tubbsy]

NO courtesy? Where did you get that from? It's tempting to take one incident and garner support in some internet forum for it (trivial) and then project it onto the rest of society, but it is still no more than your own projection.

The courtesy I am extended from cars is enormous.. I think it's you who is doing something wrong. Ask yourself what you believe.

Steve

I get that from the amount of near misses I have had over only the last 4 months. Not every day, but often enough. Have you noticed how often the advice, "assume every car driver will do something stupid" is given?

The courtesy you are being "extended is enourmous", but that's your own projection too isn't it, and that kinda invalidates your presumption that it was me doing something wrong. Maybe courtesy was the wrong word, but it;s the closest one I could think of.

Have a read back through the forums at how many close calls and near misses riders have posted about?

Bike riding has garnered a rep as being dangerous, why? Because we are all doing something wrong? I don't think so.

I'm not garnering support for some imagined infringement so I can go and kick doors in and key cars. I was asking a simple question to foster healthy debate, which is the whole point of a forum is it not? We all have differeing opinions clearly, and just because your experience differs to mine, how does that mean I'm doing something wrong and you're doing something right? :calm:

[Oscar]

Perhaps if you didn't talk such shit...........

You bastid - you beat me to it...:killingme

[MIXONE]

I'll put my hand up.
I failed to give way to a motorcyclist in my car a coupla months go and he had to take avoiding action. I was mortified - I missed him by inches...

Was that you trying to get me Oscar.Better luck next time eh!

[Gremlin]

I spoke to one fella one evening, after we had gone around a corner, and without indicating, he had moved into my lane, when I was just coming up around his rear quarter...

He got stuck as first vehicle at the lights, so I had the chance. Bike on sidestand, and walked up, visor open. Predictably, the first words out of his mouth were, I'm sorry, I didn't see you... I was calm and said, Yep, I imagined so. I said, look, yes, you need to be careful, but at least use your indicators so I can get some warning.

Yes... I know this doesn't sound like your typical chat and this was indeed how it went, but hey, vehicles have blind spots, but if you use the fricken flashy things, it gives people some chance.

Anyway... went through the intersection, and while watching him in front, he changes lanes without indicating.... So no, it probably does fuck all, unless they have suffered some sort of damage, physical, financial etc, and even then it probably won't last.

[Oscar]

Was that you trying to get me Oscar.Better luck next time eh!

If I'd have known it was you I woulda tried harder.
SPLAT!:devil2:

[MarkH]

but if you use the fricken flashy things, it gives people some chance.

This is Auckland, drivers don't always seem to be keen on giving others a chance.

[Del Fuego]

Ok there are a couple of issues here. I don't advocate violence either, but it is hard not to get wound up when something like this happens. I brush it off easily when you at least get an apology wave or something. when they look at you and laugh it is VERY tempting to do damage.

Had a funny one heading home last night though... back streets of newmarket following some old cock in a vulva, trying desperately to operate his cell phone while swerving about the place last minute lane changes, multiple speed choices etc. I pulled up alongside his open drivers window and just stared at him a bit and shook my head... think he got the point when he turned and saw me peering down at him lol... scooter riders are'nt supposed to be large and scary haha

[Tubbsy]

scooter riders are'nt supposed to be large and scary haha

Scooter riders are large and scary???? :scooter::msn-wink:

[Breed777]

On the opposite end of the scale.... bout my second time on the road I stalled at a red light.... now a car about 50m behind be thought it would help the situation if he drove up to within 2 inches of my rear tire and lay on his horn.... looked in the mirror and the prick was laughing. so I waited till the light was orange and managed to take off leaving him to sit through another full set of light changes. Wank.
would loved to have kicked my stand down and approached his window and asked if he though laying on the horn was gonna help the situation... but didnt wanna piss off the other 20 cars coming up behind him!

:clap:

[MarkH]

cock in a vulva

Bling given!

[short-circuit]

Bling given!

Yep - I like that too (the comment and the concept)

[Del Fuego]

Scooter riders are large and scary???? :scooter::msn-wink:

... perhaps tall and ugly woulda been closer to the mark?

[CookMySock]

I get that from the amount of near misses I have had over only the last 4 months. Not every day, but often enough.
Well you are doing something wrong, because I'm not getting that. In fact, I have few, or no problems.


The courtesy you are being "extended is enourmous", but that's your own projection too isn't it.It can't be a projection when cars move over and wave me through. Traffic is particularly generous to me, and I get nowhere near the problems you are having. Something is wrong for you to be getting that.

In any case, it matters nothing to me that you are having difficulties and that you would like to debate it. The facts are, you are having difficulties and I am not. Do the math yourself.

Steve

[Mschvs]

Depends on the incident with me ... we're a little harder to see of course being on a bike, so sometimes people just generally miss seeing us or see us a little too late and make an honest mistake, like what was said earlier, we are a little more vulnerable to this sort of thing so we feel a little more passionate with our aggression, but this happens in car on car instances all the time.

Making them aware of the mistake, even without stopping is always a good move, so motorists are a little more aware of whats around them, they tend (as we all do) to get in their own little world, where they are protected (haha protected) by glass and steel etc, and let's say 'selfish' about their actions.

I would stop, probably wouldn't come to blows as I wouldn't be able to move with much agility anyway, but if they had stopped and i was able to, I would like to make them aware of what they did, so that they look more closely or double check in the future. Anything that is going to make me the slightest bit more safe on the road, as well as others is a bonus. Small step I know, but NZ motorists (as well as Auckland pedestrians) are blissfully unaware and painfully stubborn, and they need to be educated ...:Oi:

[varminter]

Sorry, I've joined this thread late. Anyway I always carry a cut down double barrel .410 shotgun (brilliant for anti personnel work), leaving a swath of death and destruction behind me, the bazooka is on back order. Oh, sorry, was this a serious thread.

[Guided_monkey]

It's all well and good getting in their faces, but all they see is a 'big' person in 'leathers' threatening them.:mad:

I have a flip up helmet and when in close confines.... re Spaghetti Junction. Having your face fully visible sems to remind cagers that there is a person they are potentially trying to kill.

Doesn't stop the ignorant b*tches in their SUV's trying to change lanes while on the cell phone. But they are obviously Very Important People....NOT.

[Tubbsy]

In any case, it matters nothing to me that you are having difficulties and that you would like to debate it.

Then why bother to post? :rolleyes:

[Oscar]

In any case, it matters nothing to me that you are having difficulties and that you would like to debate it. The facts are, you are having difficulties and I am not. Do the math yourself.

Steve

This is obviously due to your rep as a real tough bastid who keys the cars of miscreants...

[Big Dave]

Oh, sorry, was this a serious thread.

Where?????????

[Max Preload]

...I was calm and said, Yep, I imagined so. I said, look, yes, you need to be careful, but at least use your indicators so I can get some warning.

Indeed. And arseholes that don't indicate just because they presume there's nobody around to see really get my fucking goat. Anyone driving or riding who doesn't indicate as a purely reflex action, without thinking, shouldn't be on the road.

[MarkH]

Indeed. And arseholes that don't indicate just because they presume there's nobody around to see really get my fucking goat. Anyone driving or riding who doesn't indicate as a purely reflex action, without thinking, shouldn't be on the road.

I have to agree with this one. There are times when I am on foot and have to wait for a retard in a car before crossing the road, except that they turn and I didn't have to wait at all - is it really that much to expect that motorists indicate? Also when you consider the same fuckwits that don't indicate when they presume no one is around are the ones that "didn't see you, mate" then you can see the value in indicating regardless.

[vifferman]

Well you are doing something wrong, because I'm not getting that. In fact, I have few, or no problems.
Yebbit you live in a small town, not 'Orkerland'. People are much more mental at driving here, especially many of the immigrants, many of whom may not have actually owned a car before. They tend to drive staring fixedly ahead, clenching the steering wheel (and their anal sphincter?) very tight, and not looking left or right.
Like I've said before, you can't extrapolate your experience of riding in one of NZ's smaller 'burbs to riding in NZ's largest clusterfuck.
It's kinda like saying, "I know all about racing motorcycles, coz I've played a racing game on Playstation", or "I know all about riding motorbikes, because I ride a bicycle to work".

[Mikkel]

Indeed. And arseholes that don't indicate just because they presume there's nobody around to see really get my fucking goat. Anyone driving or riding who doesn't indicate correctly as a purely reflex action, without thinking, shouldn't be on the road.

Now that I've fixed your post I agree with it - 100% ;)
The numbnuts that indicate at the exact same time as they initiate their turn shouldn't be on the road either - reflex or not.

The order goes as follows: Indicate, move to the side you're turning to and then brake. Not: brake, move to the side and then indicate...

Another thing that pisses me off - when I am in the car mind - are the people who doesn't choose a lane immediately when the road changes into two lanes. People who indicate to merge when two lanes goes into one...
Not using indicators is bad - abusing indicators are worse since you might actually get the idea that they will follow up on their apparent intentions.

[vifferman]

Indeed. And arseholes that don't indicate just because they presume there's nobody around to see really get my fucking goat.
Really? :confused:
Do you just give it to them, or do they have to pay some kind of a hireage fee? :confused:
Or have I got the wrong end of the thing? Is it the arsehole of the arsehole that doesn't indicate that gets the goat?

[saltydog]

To the biker(s) that want to incite retribution for the stupid manovoures of cagers, just be lucky we are in little old NZ.
In some parts of the world that action might result in in a gun in your face, or worse.
Just rememder, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"

[Tubbsy]

To the biker(s) that want to incite retribution for the stupid manovoures of cagers, just be lucky we are in little old NZ.
In some parts of the world that action might result in in a gun in your face, or worse.
Just rememder, "Revenge is a dish best served cold"

I grew up in South Africa......now there's a spot you don't wanna key someones' door. :nono:

[rickstv]

Reading all these posts about idiots doing the unexpected in front of you reminds me of an incident back in 1969 when I had my first bike, a small Honda.

I was following a guy in a car along K Road. We both turned into Pitt Street. He drove about 30 metres then suddenly started to do a u turn infront of me. Half way through he saw me and stopped. Unfortunatly I couldn't stop in time to avoid my front tyre stopping against his drivers door. His window was down and we were face to face. He just said the usuall "sorry about that, didn't see you" As I backed my bike away from his door, I realised I had put a big dent in it. He obviously had no idea and must have wondered why I was grinning ear to ear,:niceone: Didn't need a helmet in those days so emotions like that were hard to hide.

[Maha]

I grew up in South Africa......now there's a spot you don't wanna key someones' door. :nono:

BMW in South Afwica stands for 'Break My Windows' yes???

[Tubbsy]

BMW in South Afwica stands for 'Break My Windows' yes???

Close enough. Pretty much guaranteed of that if you go to a place called Hillbrow in Jo'burg. Problem is, you are shot before you are dragged from the car.

[saltydog]

Door mounted side-flame-throwers to deter car-jackers at the lights?
I kid you not!

[Tubbsy]

Door mounted side-flame-throwers to deter car-jackers at the lights?
I kid you not!

Yep, that is correct, AND they were legal. Foot operated so you just had to step on a button and you'd BBQ your attacker. Only came in top of the range Beemers tho'.

[Katman]

I grew up in South Africa......now there's a spot you don't wanna key someones' door. :nono:

Perhaps we should have a whip round and get DB a one way ticket.

[gwigs]

If you have the luxury of time a brown eye (kneeling on your seat with the sidestand down) alongside the driver's window can be quite effective in getting the message across.

Wouldn't even attempt this on the move though - the driver might not see you again

You could hold your coin in the crack of your arse.:devil2: