Fuck!

[mitch.ww]

Sick of my new bike being a pig to start so decide to take it to the bike shop today (wouldnt even bump start so had to jump start it :Pokey:) they tell me there's nothing they can do today, so I booked it in for next week. Riding it home on the motorway and the electrics decide to have a massive cry and the bike just dies, so i'm left to roll down the hill and park it up in the shoulder.. Decide to give it one more crack at starting and when I press the starter button my rev guage starts to move its way up but no sign of any life WTF! So manage to get my ute there and chuck it on, dropped it at the bike shop and left it with them haha
Furious I am as its my new bike and i just want it to start everyday :angry2:

As a side not, in the half an hour or so I was on the side of the motorway at least a dozen bikes went past and only 1 beeped/waved/asked if I was okay (via thumbs up) which I was cos the ute was on the way, so if that was anyone on here, props to them.. and to any others on here that rode past without offering a hand :nono: hahaha

[jaymzw]

Sick of my new bike being a pig to start so decide to take it to the bike shop today (wouldnt even bump start so had to jump start it :Pokey:) they tell me there's nothing they can do today, so I booked it in for next week. Riding it home on the motorway and the electrics decide to have a massive cry and the bike just dies, so i'm left to roll down the hill and park it up in the shoulder.. Decide to give it one more crack at starting and when I press the starter button my rev guage starts to move its way up but no sign of any life WTF! So manage to get my ute there and chuck it on, dropped it at the bike shop and left it with them haha
Furious I am as its my new bike and i just want it to start everyday :angry2:

As a side not, in the half an hour or so I was on the side of the motorway at least a dozen bikes went past and only 1 beeped/waved/asked if I was okay (via thumbs up) which I was cos the ute was on the way, so if that was anyone on here, props to them.. and to any others on here that rode past without offering a hand :nono: hahaha

Didn't see ya or i woulda stopped.
Is this the Bandit?
Where are ya taking it?

[Ixion]

Bad. Very bad. Only one BIKER in that time The rest, were wankers. If you don't stop to help a fellow biker in distress, you're a homo wanker., End of story

[3L4NS1R]

to be fair.. if the traffic is heavy often you won't see a biker on the side of the motorway till it's too late... too busy dodging cagers.

[NDORFN]

Sounds like it's possessed. I'm interested to find out what was causing the rev counter to move without life from the motor. Keep me posted. Hope it's not a major.

[sinfull]

Sounds like it's possessed. I'm interested to find out what was causing the rev counter to move without life from the motor. Keep me posted. Hope it's not a major.
very low compression if the starter is spinning it over enough to get the rev counter moving ! Could be valve timing all up the shit !

[vifferman]

very low compression if the starter is spinning it over enough to get the rev counter moving ! Could be valve timing all up the shit !
Doubtful - it's more likely to be electrical. F'rinstance, when the R/R goes out, the instruments often do funny things, especially if it's the rectifier side that's failed.

Anyway, DB will be along shortly to tell you what the problem really is....

[Devil]

Doubtful - it's more likely to be electrical. F'rinstance, when the R/R goes out, the instruments often do funny things, especially if it's the rectifier side that's failed.


Yep, starter solenoid on it's way out had a similar effect on me old zr250.

[portokiwi]

:( Feel for you mate, I cant get my bike to start at all. Too far to push to a bike shop.... Allmost killed me trying to push it back up my drive way.
Push them to fix it ASAP.If the stall let them know you are a kiwi biker and will give bad reps if they dont fix it...
I take it you brought it from that shop

[Devil]

Well he's had it for over a month. I wouldn't be blackmailing the shop into anything! They're generally pretty busy. Book it in, they'll sort it out. Sounds like it isn't charging properly (judging by your previous posts) which points towards reg/rec as Vifferman said. Keep that new battery topped up, they dont like sitting around at a low voltage.

[sil3nt]

Sounds like a completely dead battery too me.....

[p.dath]

Sounds like it's possessed. I'm interested to find out what was causing the rev counter to move without life from the motor. Keep me posted. Hope it's not a major.

That happened to a friends bike. It turned out to be the battery.

Apparently the rev counter uses some electrical system, and when the power is to low it can make it errounously report that the revs are much higher than they actually are.

[vgcspares]

point 1 - a friend's new KLR has the same prob and got the same dealer support

point 2 - battery went flat on my bike so I pushed it over the new Panmure Bridge, in the process a combie van stopped to see if I needed a lift, a taxi stopped but couldn't jump start me as it would cack his meter, a biker stopped (driving his car not on his bike) and then shot home for some jump leads ...

when he got back he couldn't open his bonnet but a passing cop stopped and allowed us to use his battery

on the basis of all this I figure cage drivers aren't such a bad bunch (didn't see any bikers on bikes so can't comment on them)

and I wouldn't buy a new Kawasaki in case the electrics went

[mitch.ww]

Didn't see ya or i woulda stopped.
Is this the Bandit?
Where are ya taking it?

Haha cheers man, yeah my little Bandit, so frustrating haha
It's down at spectrum on Barry's Point, my old man worked with Brent years ago and both my uncle and grandfather who used to race just say take anything with two wheels to him, so yeah it's sitting down there at the moment, hopefully it's not down there too long and i'll have it back next week! I suspect it'll be sitting out in the rain today tho :(

[vifferman]

Sounds like it isn't charging properly (judging by your previous posts) which points towards reg/rec as Vifferman said. Keep that new battery topped up, they dont like sitting around at a low voltage.
It's not rocket science.
Even though I am a feckn eejit, I do know a little about bike electrics.
The tachometer works off impulses from a sender on the camshaft or flywheel. If either the starter has a short or (more probably) the R/R is fubar, then you may be getting some A/C pulses coming though the wiring. The tachometer can't tell the difference between these and 'legitimate' pulses from the sender.
You'll also get other 'mental shit' happening if the R/R is at fault, like if the speedo is electronic, it will start playing up, and when the battery voltage drops below a critical threshold, the ignition won't get enough ergs to spark, so the engine will die.

[mitch.ww]

The real annoying thing about the situation is that any one of you could be right with your assumptions!! Could be a short draining current, could be alternator not charging battery (which is intermittent cos sometimes it does), could be a rectifier or a regulator or a CDI or pretty much anything with wires.. So yeah, the real problem now, is finding the problem.. But thats the shops job so thats what they'll be doing.

PS: How do I quote multiple posts?? Just hit quote and they copy and paste the others in there too?? there must be an easier way!

[vifferman]

It's down at spectrum on Barry's Point,
You'll be right then - they've had experience with this kinda stuff. :niceone:


PS: How do I quote multiple posts?? Just hit quote and they copy and paste the others in there too?? there must be an easier way!
Use the other button - the one next to the "QUOTE" button. Click it once to select, then again to deselect. It will change colour when selected.
When you're ready, just hit the "Post Reply" button, and all the quoted posts will be pasted into your reply, in the order you've clicked on them.
You can then insert your comments after each quoted post, and delete (or alter, if you're evil) any of the quoted stuff you think isn't relevant.

[mitch.ww]

It's not rocket science.
Even though I am a feckn eejit, I do know a little about bike electrics.
The tachometer works off impulses from a sender on the camshaft or flywheel. If either the starter has a short or (more probably) the R/R is fubar, then you may be getting some A/C pulses coming though the wiring. The tachometer can't tell the difference between these and 'legitimate' pulses from the sender.
You'll also get other 'mental shit' happening if the R/R is at fault, like if the speedo is electronic, it will start playing up, and when the battery voltage drops below a critical threshold, the ignition won't get enough ergs to spark, so the engine will die.

Haha from not seeing my bike, and just stating what you know, pretty bloody good diagnosis! Pretty much what my bikes been doing down to a tee!! Although there could be a few problems with other electrical components thrown in the mix too!!

[vifferman]

there could be a few problems with other electrical components thrown in the mix too!!
Don't panic!
It's possible, but usually it's only the R/R and often the battery that need replacing. Occasionally, the stator will also be fubar, and you may have some blown fuses and/or bulbs to replace as well if the naughty R/R has allowed too much juice from the stator to sneak into the wiring loom. However (but!) because the volts go from the stator to the R/R and then into the battery before they go venturing further upstream, the battery takes the brunt of the electrical shenanigans.
But (however), you could still be up for an R/R ($200-$300?), a battery ($80?) and labour ($80/hour?).
However (but!) it's best to be philosophical and view batteries and R/Rs as consumables like tyres or chains, albeit ones that usually last about 3 to 5 years in the case of the battery, and 10 to 15 years in the case of the R/R.

[mitch.ww]

You'll be right then - they've had experience with this kinda stuff. :niceone:

Use the other button - the one next to the "QUOTE" button. Click it once to select, then again to deselect. It will change colour when selected.
When you're ready, just hit the "Post Reply" button, and all the quoted posts will be pasted into your reply, in the order you've clicked on them.
You can then insert your comments after each quoted post, and delete (or alter, if you're evil) any of the quoted stuff you think isn't relevant.

Cheers for that :) my first multi-quote post haha


Don't panic!
It's possible, but usually it's only the R/R and often the battery that need replacing. Occasionally, the stator will also be fubar, and you may have some blown fuses and/or bulbs to replace as well if the naughty R/R has allowed too much juice from the stator to sneak into the wiring loom. However (but!) because the volts go from the stator to the R/R and then into the battery before they go venturing further upstream, the battery takes the brunt of the electrical shenanigans.
But (however), you could still be up for an R/R ($200-$300?), a battery ($80?) and labour ($80/hour?).
However (but!) it's best to be philosophical and view batteries and R/Rs as consumables like tyres or chains, albeit ones that usually last about 3 to 5 years in the case of the battery, and 10 to 15 years in the case of the R/R.

The worst thing is though, that i've just put a new battery in! So i'm hoping all the shenanigans haven't cooked my new battery, as I assume it wont be under warranty if it got fried by other shit??

Either way, whatever I have to fork out, is the money that was gonna be for my new helmet, so there goes my new helmet :(

[imdying]

Make sure the battery terminals are tight before getting excited.

[mitch.ww]

Make sure the battery terminals are tight before getting excited.

haha fair call, but i'm not retarded, the battery terminals are definitely tight

[mitch.ww]

Just got a phonecall from the shop, the magnets on the flywheel are fucked so that's why it's not charging!! Anyone got a GSF250 flywheel?? :banana:
Apparently it's a common problem, so might be hard to track one down!!

[imdying]

haha fair call, but i'm not retarded, the battery terminals are definitely tightNo, don't think you're retarded, but the tacho going haywire is often an indicator of a bad earth, which more often than not is tracked down to a battery terminal that has worked loose.

[vifferman]

Apparently it's a common problem, so might be hard to track one down!!
Are they helping you with that, or is it up to you to find some magnets?

[mitch.ww]

No, don't think you're retarded, but the tacho going haywire is often an indicator of a bad earth, which more often than not is tracked down to a battery terminal that has worked loose.

oh sweet, I'll keep that in mind for the next time my bike decides to have a whinge haha

I need a new flywheel now tho.. So on a mission to track one down, any help, greatly appreciated :cool:

[mitch.ww]

Are they helping you with that, or is it up to you to find some magnets?

Brent's been on the phone all morning, can't find a wrecker in Auckland with one, as it is a common problem they're all gone :(
So he's gonna get one priced from Japan which will probably end up being rather pricey!! So I'm on a mission to track one down elsewhere if possible

[mitch.ww]

Are they helping you with that, or is it up to you to find some magnets?

Also it's not just the magnets, need the whole flywheel as they're embedded in it

[vifferman]

Presumably (hopefully?) Suzuki use the same flywheel on more than one model of bike?

[mitch.ww]

Presumably (hopefully?) Suzuki use the same flywheel on more than one model of bike?

This is what i'm hoping!! I thought the GSX would be the same as the GSF is based on it, but it might be one of those annoying things that the GSX used a different charging system, in which case their flywheel wont have magnets :( But that is what I need to find out, does the GSX use the same flywheels as the GSF, anyone shed any light??

[Harvd]

This is what i'm hoping!! I thought the GSX would be the same as the GSF is based on it, but it might be one of those annoying things that the GSX used a different charging system, in which case their flywheel wont have magnets :( But that is what I need to find out, does the GSX use the same flywheels as the GSF, anyone shed any light??

im not sure but maybe you mean the gsxr 250? i think the gsx is a twin? so may be different. investigate further as im not entirely sure.

[MSTRS]

im not sure but maybe you mean the gsxr 250? i think the gsx is a twin? so may be different. investigate further as im not entirely sure.

Depends. Usually the GSX is a twin, but in the case of the Katana and Across - they are 4s.
The GSF is a 4 that uses engine model GJ74A. The early 90s Katana (SSN?) is also a 4, but engine is GJ76A

[mitch.ww]

im not sure but maybe you mean the gsxr 250? i think the gsx is a twin? so may be different. investigate further as im not entirely sure.

Yeah sorry did mean GSXR


Depends. Usually the GSX is a twin, but in the case of the Katana and Across - they are 4s.
The GSF is a 4 that uses engine model GJ74A. The early 90s Katana (SSN?) is also a 4, but engine is GJ76A

So do you know if the GSXR is a GJ74A by any chance??

NZ Suzki have a flywheel in stock, $398 :blank:

[MSTRS]

So do you know if the GSXR is a GJ74A by any chance??

NZ Suzki have a flywheel in stock, $398 :blank:

No, I don't. Been googling without success. I do know that the casings are similar/same...McDuck replaced left side on his old Kat with one from a Bandit afaik.