So you think you're an ADVENTURE rider?

[RedKLR650]

So you think you're an ADVENTURE rider ? I thought I was until I had the pleasure of meeting of of Kiwibikers newest members last week.....

Some of you may have seen a few threads and messages posted by a guy who calls himself FREDONTOUR

His real name is Fred Klein, and he's a 48 year old painter and logistics manager from Germany. and obviously, he's on tour, again........

OK, nothing too amazing there you might say, but wait until you hear his motorcycling history, it put's most of us to shame :baby:

But first a little more background on how he comes to be here in Timaru at present....

The local Kawasaki dealer here informed me last Thursday that they had just received a damaged 2008 green KLR, and when I enquired as to whom it belonged, I was told some German tourist travelling through the area. Seems he had come off and had a broken arm and ribs. Further enquiries led me to the local backpackers where a certain Fred Klein was staying. Apparently he had been travelling north into the Haka Valley and was still on the seal south of Cattle Valley when around a blind corner immediately in front of him appeared a very wide ( read as being wider than the two lanes of the road ) forage harvester with no pilot vehicle in front of it. Fred took evasive action and swerved aggressively, going down a bank, breaking approx 6 ribs, his left wrist and doing a fair bit of cosmetic damage to the KLR. :doctor:

The forage harvester driver called the ambulance and police, and when Fred asked the policeman why the machine had no pilot vehicle, the answer was...... :Police:

What are you doing on this road anyway !!!!! ( And the say our police aren't helpful :-)

The KLR is at the local bike shop here, nearly $1300 worth of parts have been priced, ordered and paid for ( he had tried unsuccessfully to insure the bike at the AA, but was uninsured at the time of the accident ) and he's spending his days in the local backpackers while the arm heals up:doctor:

I invited him over for some beers and learned just how serious this guy is when it comes to motorcycling......

A few random facts :devil2:

He started riding in 1980, has owned approx 100 bikes over the years, at one time 13 at the same time ( all registered )

He has ridden over 1,000,000kms with some examples 220,000kms on his last adventure bike, a BMW R100GS, over 140,000kms on a 1990's KLR650, over 40,000 on a Kawasaki Tengai 650, and over 140,000kms on his Suzuki GSX1100E:clap:

Current 2008 KLR was purchased new in Australia and now has 27,000kms on the clock

One of his KLR's has a flat deck sidecar :drool: which he uses to take his classic bikes to rally's, and a few of his bikes have spiked tires for ice riding :cold:

Check out his website for further details......

It's all in German, but I'm sure some google thingy can translate it roughly.....

It might be easier to use these links to get to the good bits.......

Nothing on his website of his pre 1995 travels, but.....


For his adventures from 1995-2005

http://www.fredontour.de/bericht95.html (http://www.fredontour.de/bericht95.html)


For his adventures 2005 until early 2007

http://www.fredontour.de/bericht05.html (http://www.fredontour.de/bericht05.html)


For his adventures 2007 until now

http://www.fredontour.de/neuseeland.html (http://www.fredontour.de/neuseeland.html)

Scroll down the scroll bar on the right of the main box to see lots of photos and information re the travels in each country named on the left

So as you can see, experience is always relevant

By the way, I've been looking into insurance for him, and after NAC insurance took a look at his history, they had no problem with selling him a policy :-):niceone:

He can be contacted on suzifred@hotmail.com ( don't expect a fast response, he has erratic email access ) and is staying at the Wanderer backpackers in Timaru - 0 3 688 8795

He spent 4 hrs here yesterday sorting out email, flights, insurance and various other things, but being a 1 bedroom apartment, I'm a bit pushed when it comes to having a lodger sadly :(

Anyway, if anyone is passing through over the next few weeks, I'm sure he would appreciate a visitor :-)

Cheers, Stu
0274 342 372

A couple of shots of the damaged KLR attached

[pete376403]

C*nt of cop. It's a public road, isn't it?
Lot of cosmetics damage - having priced one side panel for my KLR ($250, decals another $180) I can see it wouldn't take long to rack up $1300.

[Kevnz]

Thats some serious kms on 2 wheels, what a legend. Pass on a "get well soon" to Fred and good to see your giving him some help. I won't comment on the police as I meet some in Germany and they carry guns...

[Squiggles]

Was checking out his website yesterday after his etrex post... awesome stuff

[junkmanjoe]

yip i read all about your travels as well

been a busy man.

maybe start up a donation option to help our traveler to fix his bike.

bit off a bugger being shacked up in a backpackers, while your a bit beat up mate.


i would have told the cop to shove the tractor up is back side....

but, yea thats nz back country roads.
anythng can be around the next bend, just got to be ready for anything.

JMJ

[thommo77]

Saw his bike parked up in Nelson a few months back.
What a legend!

[TLDV8]

maybe start up a donation option to help our traveler to fix his bike.

JMJ

If you are serious and have a Paypal account i am more than prepared to get the ball rolling with a $100 donation.

[fredontour]

If you are serious and have a Paypal account i am more than prepared to get the ball rolling with a $100 donation.

Thank you to both you and JunkmanJoe for your offer of financial aid, and I appreciate the offer, but I'm OK to pay for this. I have saved hard for this trip and have funds, but I am grateful for the messages of support and good wishes.

I am going to head off to Australia next Friday while I heal up and my bike is being repaired, and will be returning in September or October to resume my travels.

I then hope to complete the Haka Pass, and also places like the Nevis, Danseys etc

Thanks again everybody for your thoughts

Regards, Fred

[junkmanjoe]

good luck with your travels and ill keep a eye on your web page.

JMJ

[cooneyr]

...I am going to head off to Australia next Friday while I heal up and my bike is being repaired, and will be returning in September or October to resume my travels.

I then hope to complete the Haka Pass, and also places like the Nevis, Danseys etc

Hey Fred - if you are interested drop me a line when you get back to NZ. We will be doing a reconnaissance ride in late October over the route shown on this page (http://www.advroutes.org.nz/db1kssi.html) which takes in the routes you mention . Will probably be the weekend of the Fri the 23rd October to Sunday the 25th October.

Cheers R

[Kokopelli]

Hi Fred,

I hope your bones will heal fast. I don't blame you for wanting to sit this out in Australia. I am already sick of the winter weather, and I live in Auckland where it's usually mild.

Your travel resume is impressive. I wish I could see half of that, apart from the frontal view of an approaching harvester.

Should you end up coming through Auckland, let me know. Maybe we can meet for a beer or two. Wir reden auch Deutsch zuhause :-).

Cheers,
Alex

[Ruralman]

Hey Fred - if you are interested drop me a line when you get back to NZ. We will be doing a reconnaissance ride in late October over the route shown on this page (http://www.advroutes.org.nz/db1kssi.html) which takes in the routes you mention . Will probably be the weekend of the Fri the 23rd October to Sunday the 25th October.

Cheers R

Make sure you post up that trip Cooneyr - I would quite like the opportunity to join up if you're OK with that - and I can camp a few at my place if it fits in with the plans.
Fred - thats an impressive riding history and it sounds like you've got a lot of kms to do yet. Hope things mend well and we have a chance to meet you later in the year
Bruce
EDIT - just looked at your map - you come right past my place.

[ducatijim]

The forage harvester driver called the ambulance and police, and when Fred asked the policeman why the machine had no pilot vehicle, the answer was......

Sorry 2 hear of Freddys wee accident, but, I tire of telling my fellow rural road 'adventurers'...don't ride it like you own the roads, out here we do.

Sorry bout that folks, its just a fact of life in rural NZ.:doh: ( 1 of the benefits of being the backbone of the country I guess......)

Period.

[skidMark]

Sorry 2 hear of Freddys wee accident, but, I tire of telling my fellow rural road 'adventurers'...don't ride it like you own the roads, out here we do.

Sorry bout that folks, its just a fact of life in rural NZ.:doh: ( 1 of the benefits of being the backbone of the country I guess......)

Period.

yep the biggest danger on rural backroads has got to be the locals... who know the roads like the bak of thier hand, and for the most part use it as a private race track.

[Padmei]

yep the biggest danger on rural backroads has got to be the locals... who know the roads like the bak of thier hand, and for the most part use it as a private race track.

Agreed. Remember the old TV ads 'country people die on country roads". They were put on for a reason. Gives me the shits coming round a corner seeing a ute or worse in the middle of the road.

[RedKLR650]

Sorry 2 hear of Freddys wee accident, but, I tire of telling my fellow rural road 'adventurers'...don't ride it like you own the roads, out here we do.Sorry bout that folks, its just a fact of life in rural NZ.:doh: ( 1 of the benefits of being the backbone of the country I guess......)
Period.

I know what you're saying Jim, but I still believe when a motorist is doing the speed limit ( or below in Freds case - he travels everywhere at 80-100kph ) when in their correct lane, on a sealed two lane road, has a right to expect a clear road ahead or are you suggesting we should slow down to 5kph before every corner in case a machine taking up both lanes of the road comes around the corner doing 40kph in the opposite direction ? :no:

But being raised on a farm in the boonies, I also understand your point of view. <_<

Maybe we should give all overseas travellers a handbook explaining this when they arrive ? :Police:

Stu

[NordieBoy]

Or the biker that got taken out on Sat on Seaton Road over Mapua way when he went up the back of a car that was reversing over a brow...

[Woodman]

If it is a blind corner or a brow, it is your choice how you wanna take it at the end of the day.

[XF650]

Sorry to read of Freds accident - he's out there doing what most of us can only dream of and I trust he can continue his journey soon.
However it's a timely reminder of the hazards on our country roads. I used to farm & nowdays drive rural districts with work, so I know the hazards. Yet I still regularily have to take evasive action, from either wandering stock, farm vehicles & dogs, contractor machinery or bloody tourists hogging the road. Heck, I'v even helped to put down animals that have been injured by motorists. Note however that I'v also more than once been in "heated discussions" with those that cause these hazards.
Knowing what can be around the next corner or over the next rise might explain one reason why I often ride slower than others on my bike. Fault aside, one still has to drive & ride defensively, although ABS brakes sure can help!!

[ducatijim]

One thing you can be SURE of, is that the so called 'offending' machine was less than 3.5m wide.
3.5m does not require a pilot in daylite.
SPFH's with a grass front( unlikely at this time of year) are under 3.5m.
SPFH with a maize front( more likely) have a folding Kemper head which folds down to 3.5m.
Combine harvester( most likely) have 36' and bigger heads, which they HAVE to remove and end-tow along behind.
If the operater was exceeding ANY of these dimensions.....the cop would have ROASTED him. Belive me.
Even a 3.5m head not entirely on his side of the road, would leave a wee margine for error if the rider was not TOO commited to his corner line.
Sorry Fred, but folk like me have to WORK on your playground. Watch for us!

[skidMark]

Agreed. Remember the old TV ads 'country people die on country roads". They were put on for a reason. Gives me the shits coming round a corner seeing a ute or worse in the middle of the road.


yep i had one on a road into a remote town (was tarmac though)

comes around the corner on completely the wrong side of the road.... my left hand and bar hit the roadside reflector stick, my right elbow hit thier mirror.... i dont think he ever saw me until we hit...

went and bought a lotto ticket when i got to the town.... :no:

[junkmanjoe]

is a timely reminder...beaware at all times, and learn to look around corners.....wish...
a few close calls with animals.
i also travel at or just under the speed limit,,, and mostly at back off the pack..i like it back there..
JMJ

[Padmei]

is a timely reminder...beaware at all times, and learn to look around corners.....wish...
a few close calls with animals.
i also travel at or just under the speed limit,,, and mostly at back off the pack..i lke it back there..
JMJ

Then why do you want a KTM950? Not a bike made for going slow really is it?

[awayatc]

seeing a ute or worse in the middle of the road.

ute or horse you mean....?

Country people use country means to make a country living.......not unusual at all to run into all manner of machinery and livestock to inconvenience sightseers.....

Stopping within half the distance you can see and all comes to mind...

Wouldn't have survived to be 50 myself without such basic selfpreservation techniques......

All the best for Fred's Recovery, and glad to hear damage to man and machine was relatively minor......

[junkmanjoe]

Then why do you want a KTM950? Not a bike made for going slow really is it?

well i disagree with you.
you could own a CBR1000 capable of doing over 280+ kms
open road..and its easy to ride at 100kms open road, or at 50kms around town.

KTM950, KTM990, yes can go like the clappers, and be first on race day.
or just tootle along at the back.
i dont feel just because the bike has a 950 cc or just under.
dosnt mean you have to ride it full tit all day long,,,,
maybe your bike is to big and powerfull for you,
why do you have so many spills on your bike.
is it the bike, rideing to fast for the conditons, or in experienced rider on an over sized bike.

the reason i would like to own such a bike.
is im experienced on larger road bikes, have good skills of off road rideing.
ive learnt to read the road in my own way, on or off road rideing, and im always searching for hazzards.

started rideing farm bikes at age 7, ( CT90 )
from that i moved in to XR250 then up to XR500 pro link.
my first road bike was a VFR 400.
my last road bike was a CBR600.
ive been rideing bikes for just on 30 years.
im more happy rideing a heaver bike, and sitting higher gives more visabilaty.
It is my goal and will be till one is sitting in my garage.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Ruralman]

well i disagree with you.
you could own a CBR1000 capable of doing over 280+ kms
open road..and its easy to ride at 100kms open road, or at 50kms around town.

KTM950, KTM990, yes can go like the clappers, and be first on race day.
or just tootle along at the back.
i dont feel just because the bike has a 950 cc or just under.
dosnt mean you have to ride it full tit all day long,,,,
maybe your bike is to big and powerfull for you,
why do you have so many spills on your bike.
is it the bike, rideing to fast for the conditons, or in experienced rider on an over sized bike.

the reason i would like to own such a bike.
is im experienced on larger road bikes, have good skills of off road rideing.
ive learnt to read the road in my own way, on or off road rideing, and im always searching for hazzards.

started rideing farm bikes at age 7, ( CT90 )
from that i moved in to XR250 then up to XR500 pro link.
my first road bike was a VFR 400.
my last road bike was a CBR600.
ive been rideing bikes for just on 30 years.
im more happy rideing a heaver bike, and sitting higher gives more visabilaty.
It is my goal and will be till one is sitting in my garage.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

Well said - good luck getting to your goal and I hope the DR gives you a great run until then

[Box'a'bits]

Ambitions of owning a KTM 950 eh? Welcome to the orange (dark) side.
But, Joe, is that why you've got a picture of a KTM 640a in your signature line??? :rockon:

[Padmei]

Wow roll down the shirtsleeves joe...

Points are well taken however my question still stands - Why a 950? I don't recall any posts of 950 owners that doesn't mention throttle response & tyre spinning. If you're not planning on going fast on it wouldn't there be a more appropriate bike.

[Woodman]

well i disagree with you.
you could own a CBR1000 capable of doing over 280+ kms
open road..and its easy to ride at 100kms open road, or at 50kms around town.

KTM950, KTM990, yes can go like the clappers, and be first on race day.
or just tootle along at the back.
i dont feel just because the bike has a 950 cc or just under.
dosnt mean you have to ride it full tit all day long,,,,
maybe your bike is to big and powerfull for you,
why do you have so many spills on your bike.
is it the bike, rideing to fast for the conditons, or in experienced rider on an over sized bike.

the reason i would like to own such a bike.
is im experienced on larger road bikes, have good skills of off road rideing.
ive learnt to read the road in my own way, on or off road rideing, and im always searching for hazzards.

started rideing farm bikes at age 7, ( CT90 )
from that i moved in to XR250 then up to XR500 pro link.
my first road bike was a VFR 400.
my last road bike was a CBR600.
ive been rideing bikes for just on 30 years.
im more happy rideing a heaver bike, and sitting higher gives more visabilaty.
It is my goal and will be till one is sitting in my garage.

:bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash:

I must admit that when i was following you for a bit on the niis it was very obvious that you look way ahead compared to other riders. A couple of times I was wondering why you crossed into the right track and then way ahead there was a puddle/rock or some such hazard.
I personally would not have a ktm 990 because I like to ride reasonably aggressively off road and come to enough grief with the KLR.

[junkmanjoe]

at the end of the day it comes down to riders choice.:done:

[NordieBoy]

Wow roll down the shirtsleeves joe...

Points are well taken however my question still stands - Why a 950? I don't recall any posts of 950 owners that doesn't mention throttle response & tyre spinning. If you're not planning on going fast on it wouldn't there be a more appropriate bike.

ADVriders Lucas with his ER6N 650 parallel twin powered KTM 640 Adventure would be an appropriate bike.

Oops. Drooling again....

[junkmanjoe]

sorry nordieboy, thats unsuitable bike as its a ktm
you have to find a more suitable bike for your adventures.

[Eddieb]

ADVriders Lucas with his ER6N 650 parallel twin powered KTM 640 Adventure would be an appropriate bike.

Oops. Drooling again....

This drooling is useless without a link.

[junkmanjoe]

Ambitions of owning a KTM 950 eh? Welcome to the orange (dark) side.
But, Joe, is that why you've got a picture of a KTM 640a in your signature line??? :rockon:

i put that pic there because i like it, not because of the make of bike.

[NordieBoy]

sorry nordieboy, thats unsuitable bike as its a ktm
you have to find a more suitable bike for your adventures.

Lucas also has an R1 trackbike and a DR650 :D


This drooling is useless without a link.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456542

I'm tempted to try it with my spare DR650 rolling chassis :D

60 odd HP DR650 that gets even better fuel economy...

[Padmei]

at the end of the day it comes down to riders choice.:done:

Reading thru the last few posts I think there's been a misunderstanding. I in no way intended to question your personal riding ability or history. Neither was I intending to slag off the KTM brand, however was questioning the merits of owning a 950 etc if the intended purpose wasn't for ripping around the roads & tracks as quick as you (or anybody) can.

That said we'll leave it as your quote says & best luck finding one for the stable.

craig

[junkmanjoe]

No worries padmei.

so do you think you are an adventure rider?

myself. JMJ
in a mild way, yes to a point.
as we can fairly much ride from coast to coast,
north, south,
east and west,
in some areas, in the length of 12hrs, or less.
un like over seas, 12 hrs can take you to the state line.
so i feel our rideing in NZ is limited,
not in beauty but in length.

[Padmei]

OMG Joe

Can you do Haiku?

A bike
A track
The serenity
Oh the fucking serenity
Listen a two stroke

I can't:shutup:

[Woodman]

No worries padmei.

so do you think you are an adventure rider?

myself. JMJ
in a mild way, yes to a point.
as we can fairly much ride from coast to coast,
north, south,
east and west,
in some areas, in the length of 12hrs, or less.
un like over seas, 12 hrs can take you to the state line.
so i feel our rideing in NZ is limited,
not in beauty but in length.

Yep, adventure riding is a name to be used with a grain of salt really. Dual purpose is probarbly a better name, not that it matters really it is still a blast.

[NordieBoy]

OMG Joe

Can you do Haiku?

A bike
A track
The serenity
Oh the fucking serenity
Listen a two stroke

I can't:shutup:

Not with 22 sillibulls you can't...

[Paladin]

......... Why a 950? I don't recall any posts of 950 owners that doesn't mention throttle response & tyre spinning. If you're not planning on going fast on it wouldn't there be a more appropriate bike.

Stick with KTM but get a 690A when available???

Havin said that, after seeing Jezza handle his 950A on Odlins Rd, you can't argue that that machine can do absolutely anything in the right hands! He can pootle on it or rip the snot out of a challenging track like he's on a DRZ - bloody impressive!

I'm also kinda intrigued by the 750 big bore kit for the DR650 that Nordie has mentioned. Add on a big tank, comfy seat & few bits to that and maybe you're startin to think the DR could have options as a longer distance adventurer, not that people don't already do huge distances on DR's. It would be pretty darn robust & no throttle snatch LOL! Could be a fun project maybe?

Thats got me thinkin, as well as a comment earlier: is adventure riding more the long distance out in the middle of nowhere, tent on the bike, carryin your own fuel kinda thing, very self-sufficient kinda thang; and what we do is dual sportin as its not necessary to be as self sufficient & is generally more "local" to where we live; or is it ALL adventure riding cos whatever we do we're all out havin an adventure anyway, the degree of which is unimportant?

I always feel I'm on an adventure when on a new back country gravel road or new track I haven't been on before, even if its only an hour away over the Rimutakas! Its the NEW experience that makes it the adventure!

I suppose that's what's so great about what we do - everyone can have their own individual experience which is awesome, but then get to share in a joint experience with others havin their individual experience - pretty cool really! Plus from what I have seen since last November, Adv/DS seems to attract great people, as opposed to certain other sides of biking!

Right am turning the romanticised drivel switch to "off" now - soz - just thinkin aloud!

:shutup:

[junkmanjoe]

ok id never heard of this word before today.

Haiku

so i looked it up
NZ Poetry, or some form of it.

it was just my thoughts on adv rideing in nz.

[pete376403]

Japanese poetry, and a very structured format; three lines of 5, 7 & 5 syllables (or the japanese equivalent)

I love to ride dirt
I have to work for a life
my bike waits alone

(or something like that)

[Eddieb]

I want one cause they are sexy as fuck and give me wood.

I would consider myself an average off road rider at best, and I think my PD is still a better bike than I am a rider. I certainly am not bored of it and I haven't reached a point where I feel it's holding me back in my development as a rider.

But in the same way road riders want the latest GSZXYZF1000RRRSP cause it's a sandflies fart faster than the previous years model, or it's got a new colour scheme or 60 other changes you can't see with the naked eye there's no real world rational reason for it.

Now if you'll excuse me there's something I need to take care of...

[JATZ]

If I had to have ONE bike a 950 would be right up there when it came time to test ride a few, aswell as a tiger and a big GS.
The thought of cracking the throttle on something with more cc's than the trumpy on gravel gives me the shits though.

[junkmanjoe]

oh eddie
i just got a new home page pic now...
mmmm orange....love monster...

hows ya bike looking Jatz

can you fix it.....

[JATZ]

oh eddie
i just got a new home page pic now...
mmmm orange....love monster...

hows ya bike looking Jatz

can you fix it.....

:shit::shit::shit::shit:

[bart]

I used to ride gravel on a 145hp ZX9R. It was alright down the straight bits. The 180 back tyre used to get a bit loose at times. Can't understand why.

But seriously, adventure is where you find it. It's not about the distance to the destination, it's about the fun getting there (and the bullshit stories you can tell afterwards).

I'm not an adventure rider. I just get a kick out of riding bikes and seeing a bit of scenery.

[junkmanjoe]

or going where bikes are not ment to go.....:no:

[bart]

or going where bikes are not ment to go.....:no:

That's all part of the fun. :eek: If there's no challenge, Where's the adventure??????????????????

[RedKLR650]

Yep, adventure riding is a name to be used with a grain of salt really. Dual purpose is probably a better name, not that it matters really it is still a blast.

According to the Colins Concise English Dictionary, ADVENTURE is:-

1) A risky undertaking of unknown outcome

2) An exciting or unexpected event or course of events

3) A hazardous financial operation

And the word Adventurous is defined as :-

1) Daring or Enterprising

2) Dangerous; Involving Risk

Our trips can certainly be Exciting and Risky - who hasn't experienced that sphincter tightening feeling upon cresting a rise on a gravel road slightly too fast to be able to stop before the hidden tight hairpin corner suddenly in front of you ? :shit:

.....although usually the outcome is predictable...... ( True Adventure riding would therefore involve routes where we DIDN'T know where they ended up ) :shit:

and after dropping our bikes, repairs can certainly become a hazardous financial operation :doh:

So to a certain point, Adventure riding does describe what we do :Punk:

Dual Purpose our bikes may be, but I think we can still safely call ourselves adventure riders ( of all differing abilities and experience )

Just my thoughts, Stu :done:

[junkmanjoe]

A+

for your home work.

i guess evey one has a different view.

i would class our recent trip down south, as an adventure ride.
reason.
i have never riden some of the roads, so didn't know where we would end up....or what was around the next corner.


JMJ

[awayatc]

Got a harley...
Every ride is an adventure....

[Paladin]

According to the Colins Concise English Dictionary, ADVENTURE is:-

1) A risky undertaking of unknown outcome

2) An exciting or unexpected event or course of events

3) A hazardous financial operation

And the word Adventurous is defined as :-

1) Daring or Enterprising

2) Dangerous; Involving Risk

Our trips can certainly be Exciting and Risky - who hasn't experienced that sphincter tightening feeling upon cresting a rise on a gravel road slightly too fast to be able to stop before the hidden tight hairpin corner suddenly in front of you ? :shit:

.....although usually the outcome is predictable...... ( True Adventure riding would therefore involve routes where we DIDN'T know where they ended up ) :shit:

and after dropping our bikes, repairs can certainly become a hazardous financial operation :doh:

So to a certain point, Adventure riding does describe what we do :Punk:

Dual Purpose our bikes may be, but I think we can still safely call ourselves adventure riders ( of all differing abilities and experience )

Just my thoughts, Stu :done:

Brilliant Stu!!!!!

Pretty good summation mate!
:2thumbsup

[Paladin]

:shit::shit::shit::shit:

Yeah THAT should do it for Joe!

:laugh:

[RedKLR650]

Got a harley...
Every ride is an adventure....

You're right Peter, when going for a ride on a Harley, the outcome is always uncertain, sometimes a trailer, sometimes a tow truck :laugh:

[awayatc]

nah...way more adventurous then that my friend...
way more........
had it on 4wd tracks before......on a steep slope,after heavy rain
BAD idea.........

[RedKLR650]

nah...way more adventurous then that my friend...
way more........
had it on 4wd tracks before......on a steep slope,after heavy rain
BAD idea.........

Now that is being creative :2thumbsup

Perhaps you were missing the side to side wave motion from being at sea ?:puke:

Stu:scooter:

[awayatc]

F**n thing wallows allright.....makes any reasonable behaved tub seem rocksteady in comparison....

[_Shrek_]

Dual Purpose our bikes may be, but I think we can still safely call ourselves adventure riders ( of all differing abilities and experience )

bling stu, especially when you go off on your own & don't tell anyone adds to the adventure :whistle:


nah...way more adventurous then that my friend...
way more........
had it on 4wd tracks before......on a steep slope,after heavy rain
BAD idea.........

thort of trying nobblys!! it might help or not :bleh: