What is it with men and tips?

[geestring]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

[varminter]

It's clitoris envy.

[awayatc]

you are not looking for advice now are you?......:shifty::confused:

[Headbanger]

They are re-affirming their manhood.

[NDORFN]

Men just like to be helpful. Don't think of it as condescension, just be grateful you work with compassionate collegues.

[dangerous]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

... maybe they are just trying to be polite, a hard quality to find these days... remember when it was the right thing to open a door for a girl fella's? yeah ya do aye, do it these days and ya get a "what do I look usless" look...

Gstring, you girls bring it upon ya selves, chill out not every bloke wants to get in ya pants or, feels inadequte beside you, its your issue not the guy offering help.

[geestring]

Men just like to be helpful. Don't think of it as condescension, just be grateful you work with compassionate collegues.

That's nice but it would be better if they just brought me something for lunch

[Headbanger]

Its definitely condensation, Its all about establishing the pecking order...

[Grahameeboy]

They are re-affirming their manhood.

I am a 90's man so don't worry a bout the manhood thingy....

Tip-just wear earplugs and ignore them.....

[geestring]

Its definitely condensation, Its all about establishing the pecking order...

Well what do they think? I'm the one operating the digger, wouldn't that make me at the top of the pecking order?

[Grahameeboy]

Its definitely condensation, Its all about establishing the pecking order...

What pecking order.....have I missed out:confused:

[Grahameeboy]

... maybe they are just trying to be polite, a hard quality to find these days... remember when it was the right thing to open a door for a girl fella's? yeah ya do aye, do it these days and ya get a "what do I look usless" look...

Gstring, you girls bring it upon ya selves, chill out not every bloke wants to get in ya pants or, feels inadequte beside you, its your issue not the guy offering help.

Now is still okay to open doors dude.....why do girls bring it on themselves? Guys still have issues......

[SixPackBack]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

Generally if a person needs information on mechanical issues they find a man. Conversely discussions around rolling your own tampons and pain management while suffering a Brazilian fall under a woman's domain.:mellow:

Both sex's have their knowledge strengths, and 22 tonne Caterpillars are almost entirely a mans domain, additionally they may want to bang you and showing their collective knowledge at work maybe a cunning plan to dazzle you with their brilliance.

[Headbanger]

Well what do they think? I'm the one operating the digger, wouldn't that make me at the top of the pecking order?

Therefore telling you how to do your job slots them in above you, after all they just demonstrated you needed their input in order to do your job.

[Grahameeboy]

Generally if a person needs information on mechanical issues they find a man. Conversely discussions around rolling your own tampons and pain management while suffering a Brazilian fall under a woman's domain.:mellow:

Both sex's have their knowledge strengths, and 22 tonne Caterpillars are almost entirely a mans domain, additionally they may want to bang you and showing their collective knowledge at work maybe a cunning plan to dazzle you with their brilliance.

Why are Cats a man's domain......

[Pussy]

Have a look in my album... get a similar sticker made up.
The "Warning. Persons wishing to offer advice as to how this aircraft should be flown, are made aware of the mistletoe on the pilot's back" sticker only cost me $12 to get made up. Works a treat!

[McDuck]

1 I get that a little (people willing to offer advice) Because i am new in the industry and work mates know it. It is funny when they offer advice that i know is wrong, which is ofton ;)

[dangerous]

Why are Cats a man's domain......

Now is still okay to open doors dude.....why do girls bring it on themselves? Guys still have issues...... are you a girl in disguise, your gay.......... aint ya LOL, just kidding I understand your suport for the shellas but if they are so strong then they dont ned you help, im taking the piss to a point GS needs to humour the guys hassling her, if she is infact so good on a 22 then whats her problem, hell Iv been out riden and out driven buy the estrogen powered ones.. they get my respect. However its somewhat hard too change a habbit thats been there since year one. (there will always be the minority that have there masculinity ofened buy a bird, yes that is there issue)

[NDORFN]

That's nice but it would be better if they just brought me something for lunch

Oh... you're a Princess. Good luck with that in these times of equality.

[Swoop]

I And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???
TOP TIP: There is only one source of tips on KB.

[Mully]

Men and the tip of what?

[geestring]

Therefore telling you how to do your job slots them in above you, after all they just demonstrated you needed their input in order to do your job.

actualy no.. not above me because they are stupid enough to say so while im still on the digger.

[Squiggles]

I suppose you've never offered advice when it wasnt asked for :P

[geestring]

Oh... you're a Princess. Good luck with that in these times of equality.

Is that the best tip that you can give? Princess sometimes, petal always :love:

[NDORFN]

Is that the best tip that you can give? Princess sometimes, petal always :love:

I got better but it belongs to my wife.

[Headbanger]

actualy no.. not above me because they are stupid enough to say so while im still on the digger.

What difference does that make?

They hold the pecking order in their head, Just like you do.

[geestring]

What difference does that make?

Dude do I need to spell it out . . . it's a 22 tonne digger

[dangerous]

Dude do I need to spell it out . . . it's a 22 tonne digger

ummm... personly, I find a 1.5 tricker to operate than a 22 :confused:

[Headbanger]

Dude do I need to spell it out . . . it's a 22 tonne digger

Ok, got that earlier in the piece, And maybe one day you will move up to a full sized one, so what?

[steve_t]

22 tonne Cat? That's awesome!!:Punk:

[BMWST?]

Its definitely condensation, Its all about establishing the pecking order...

condensation occurs when the temperature of a surface is lower than the "dew point" of the surrounding air

[AllanB]

Of course a Caterpillar is a womans domain - after all they have lots of legs so that's a shit load of shoes to buy...............

[dangerous]

22 tonne Cat? That's awesome!!:Punk: na awesome is watching a driver back a B triple to perfection in one take, digers are easy (excludes steep hill work... bugger that)

[tri boy]

Get back in the kitchen:shifty:
(22 tonne digger didn't even make "rock breaker" status in most mines. Fecking toy).

[PrincessBandit]

Sometimes you just need to show your tolerance by humouring them - if you're doing your job properly they will realise that you don't need their advice. If they're offering to be helpful just let them know that "hey guys, appreciate it but all's good here" (even if you don't appreciate it). Sounds more diplomatic than throwing it back in their face. Chill about it. Maybe they are wanting to be helpful rather than condescending; motive should influence your reaction in my opinion.

Same with your bike. When we move in on a territory that men feel at home in they can feel threatened. Ignore the wankers, get along with the ones who are trying to work as a team with you.

[Ixion]

We just gotta get a decent lock put on that kitchen door

[Max Preload]

Clearly some women still haven't evolved to the point where they can take constructive advice without instantly misinterpreting it as either "I want to stick my dick in you" or "you're a silly bint that doesn't know what she's doing".

I'll check back for progress in another couple hundred years.

[McDuck]

na awesome is watching a driver back a B triple to perfection in one take, digers are easy (excludes steep hill work... bugger that)

The best bit of backing i have seen was a C train (truck and trailer) come down our track during harvest. because of the fact we already had 2 trucks in there was no room for him to turn he just swore then backed out again. Close on 1km of backing including 2 90 digree bends.

He did it first time, no hesitation and only knocked one dead man over, it was amazing (the dead man was a cunt)

[MsKABC]

Dude do I need to spell it out . . . it's a 22 tonne digger

I used to order around blokes on diggers as big as 30 tonnes, no problem. A hard hat and a pair of steel cap boots on a woman is a licence for many things :shifty:

[RT527]

Why are Cats a man's domain......

Cause I drive a cat powered truck ....Im a man so does that make it a mans domain....ooops just realised transport companies all over new zealand have cat powered trucks with women drivers.......guess it doesnt.
But good on you Geestring...I have problems with a pc120 let alone a 220 cat digger.

[Timber020]

If I am ever given advice doing my job its by a woman. Most men see what I do and relise its out of there league to make comment. But a housewife will question how Im doing things and she wouldnt know what end of a chainsaw to hold.

[GSXR Trace]

haha, just ignore them... guys will always be guys
I don't tend to get tips, but more the comment of my bike is a big bike... with a look suggesting its too big for me, or the comment that its a big bike for a girl! but in reality i only ride a little GSXR 600... so its a fact, guys know nothing! (sorry guys!)

[Mom]

Well what do they think? I'm the one operating the digger, wouldn't that make me at the top of the pecking order?

You operate a digger :drool:

Fuck 'em is my advice, if they keep it up, dump a load of dirt on them :D

Seriously though, I reckon any bloke that wants to tell you how to do your job is jealous of you for a start, other than that it would be a clumsy attempt to get to know you better. Own it sista! You drive a digger!

[Kemet]

For me working at a port I've found most of the guys mean well and genuinely just want to see me do well. I've only have a couple there who are truely condescending (one of them being one of the team leaders:2guns:)... I try to avoid them mostly cos I just can't be fucked dealing with them.

And for the few on here who say most/all guys are good there is also the issue of males who do just wanna get in the knickers. Unfortunately for me they just ain't the right kind of guy for me....:no: Such a waste...... :weep:

[CookMySock]

Why do you think it's about you? Men often stop and talk with each other about how things can be done. There's always some new and interesting way to look at the job at hand, and it's good social time wondering out loud about things and swapping technical tips and approaches, especially in machinery such as diggers.

What does surprise men, is when we talk this way with women and get black looks or pissed-off replies. :confused:

Steve

[peasea]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

It's cave man shit.

Men look at women for one primary reason. It's been going on a while now, um, three years? Nah, three million I think is closer. Nup, can't figure it out. Man/woman/breed....species preserved.

Women are half the equation. They are there. Men are the other half. They look at women because they are there. (No other reason.) This is normal if a man's spinal cord (which is attached to his penis, an integral part of reproduction) is attached to his brain/eyes, whatever. It's an integrated package.

Don't try getting a male to explain it, some tell me that (your) god is a woman. If anyone can understand this shit then it must be a woman. The trouble is, women can't explain it, they just go off on a rant. men can explain it but they just don't understand it. It happens in pubs nationwide almost daily.

See that dunny brush over there...........?

[Headbanger]

I think its just petty shit.

I see operators playing these games with each other all the time, as well as "sometimes" operators playing these games with the operators. Its worse then a knitting group.

Never mind the same crap happens amongst the foreman when another one is on site.

[NDORFN]

Men aye!?! You think that's bad though?... I have men giving me tips and advice all the time, and I AM a man!!! Such chauvanists that they even pull it on thier own sex. It's so degrading and hurts my feelings so much I think I'll have to flick through some Girlfriend magazines to learn how to cope. All men are pigs.

[BiK3RChiK]

... maybe they are just trying to be polite, a hard quality to find these days... remember when it was the right thing to open a door for a girl fella's? yeah ya do aye, do it these days and ya get a "what do I look usless" look...

Gstring, you girls bring it upon ya selves, chill out not every bloke wants to get in ya pants or, feels inadequte beside you, its your issue not the guy offering help.

This is just a load of bollocks! Would the bloke go up and offer the advice if she was a he? I don't think so! Such a shame sexism is still alive and well!

[Kemet]

Men aye!?! You think that's bad though?... I have men giving me tips and advice all the time, and I AM a man!!! Such chauvanists that they even pull it on thier own sex. It's so degrading and hurts my feelings so much I think I'll have to flick through some Girlfriend magazines to learn how to cope. All men are pigs.

Poor baby. How do you put up with it??!!
Sounds like you need a hug....

PS I'd only read Girlfriend if you age is somewhere betwen 10 - 20.
Get Cosmo instead. At least is has those R18 bits in the middle of the mag and advice on how to enhance your relationships......





















There! I even said that with a straight face! I hope you appreciate the effort that took.....

[Headbanger]

This is just a load of bollocks! Would the bloke go up and offer the advice if she was a he? I don't think so! Such a shame sexism is still alive and well!

As much as I do believe their is an element of unconscious sexism, The answer to your question is yes depending on how much swing the operator has. And that has nothing to do with the size of the machine.

The trick is to cut the person off before they are finished, and tell them to get out of the machine work area.

[Maha]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

Aint it great when you know everything......:shifty:

[NDORFN]

This is just a load of bollocks! Would the bloke go up and offer the advice if she was a he? I don't think so! Such a shame sexism is still alive and well!

Such a shame women still interpret any kindly gesture by a man she doesn't find attractive as sexism.

[BiK3RChiK]

Such a shame women still interpret any kindly gesture by a man she doesn't find attractive as sexism.

Who said anything about whether he was attractive or not? :confused:

[NDORFN]

Who said anything about whether he was attractive or not? :confused:

I am. Bet your ass to a barn dance that if it was an attractive driver offering her a tip, she'd be all ears.

[Headbanger]

I'd like to let her sit on my knee while I show her how a real operator gets shit done.

[NDORFN]

I'd like to let her sit on my knee while I show her how a real operator gets shit done.

What are ya Santa Claus?

[gatch]

I get dudes telling me how to do my job all the time (And I'm a dude), some of them are fuck wits and some have something useful to add. Not everyone is trying to have sex with you, some are going to see a situation where they think their input is useful, if the advice helped would you be complaining ??

[MaxB]

If you are young and pretty and work in a male dominated field you are going to get your fair share of sexist and ageist comments. A lot of it is insecurity.

You don't mention whether these guys are your superiors or just any joker offering advice. Maybe you have to filter out the crap, maybe some of the older guys have experience and good advice you can learn from?

[Indiana_Jones]

I have a tip, neutral is the best gear for a burnout

-Indy

[awayatc]

That's nice but it would be better if they just brought me something for lunch

So you want to be treated like a bloke when it suits you,
and like a lady on other occasions?

And how is a bloke to know which way you prefer to be treated when?......:confused:

way most guys deal with it:
Pretty- treat like lady
ugly- treat like guy

Works for me

[awayatc]

You don't mention whether these guys are your superiors



They are guys....
So of course they are....:laugh:

[jaymzw]

way most guys deal with it:
Pretty- treat like lady
ugly- treat like guy

Works for me

Yup me too.

And some guys may deny it but i think to an extent it may be subconscious


They are guys....
So of course they are....:laugh:


Far and away the two best comments of the thread so far:Punk:

[puddy]

Its definitely condensation,

Get a dehumidifier!:bleh:

[Shaun S]

Presumption can be a mother. You are playing in a traditionally male dominated area, which means a lot of men will presume that you are not as good as they are, and will offer advice.

That’s when you step up and kick arse I hope? Or at least match them in skill – because if you don’t and you are just average (or below), then you actually justify men’s attitudes towards girls who play in their sand pit.

[sinfull]

Some say There are operators and then there are good operators !
Some say they're good operators, but others may be better !
Some will offer advise, some may not !
Some accept advise graciously, others may not !

[oldrider]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

Men offer each other advice too, that doesn't mean they are gay or anything and it's not compulsary to act on it, you make that choice! :doh:

[The Stranger]

I was at work the other day, actually thinking about it ever since I have been operating large machinery (which is over 5 years) I find that some guys can't help themselves just because I am a female operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, they seem quick to offer advice.

I have also experienced this when out riding my bike! And keep in mind I have never asked for these tips, it just happens???

Has this happened to you and if not are one of those annoying advice givers?

Get over yourself.
This happens to everyone. KB is of course a prime example. Ever wondered why there are over 2 million posts, most from male to male and 90% are full of shit.

I'm one of those annoying advice givers who actually give a fuck about people. Stiff shit, get used to it I aren't about to stop caring for my fellow man - or woman.

If I see someone doing something that could result in harm to themselves or others I speak up. They may not care about themselves - fine it's their right to kill themselves, but not to take others out with them.
However, were I to walk away and say nothing and that person later crashes, is injured, kills or is killed I would forever regret it.

Difference between myself and many on KB is that if I don't know what I am talking about I shut the fuck up. So I won't be offering you any advice on operating a 22 tonne Caterpillar, but if I see you or any other rider, male or female, doing something likely to cause a problem I'll offer you advice.
You can accept it or leave it for all I care, but I wont be accused of apathy.

[tri boy]

This is just a load of bollocks! Would the bloke go up and offer the advice if she was a he? I don't think so! Such a shame sexism is still alive and well!

Err, yes it happens daily. It's called improving your job skills with advise and learning.
Your comment just goes to show that you can't tell a woman anything without the chauvinistic card being played.
Nevermind sweety, go buy yourself some pretty shoes, and a big packet of HTFU pills. :shifty:

[Trudes]

Harsh. I don't usually have a problem with being offered advice... whether I take it or not is another issue. Also whether I have any respect for the person offering the advice has a lot to do with how much:rolleyes: I do when they're telling me how I should be doing something.... some people know bugger all about the subjects they spout on about, the skill is in spotting them before you take on too much of their "helpful advice", usually it's just grandstanding "I know more about shit than you do" etc....:mellow:

[CookMySock]

However, were I to walk away and say nothing and that person later crashes, is injured, kills or is killed I would forever regret it.You can't do anything about that. You can relax a bit - the world isn't going to spin off its' axis because you or I aren't here at that critical moment to offer that life-saving snippet of wisdom, and really, we aint nearly as smart as we think we are anyway, we just like to think so. ;)

So I don't regret anything. People will do what they do, and it aint my problem, and it aint my heart attack.

It comes back to what we want, really. Do we want to be right, or do we want to keep friendships alive?

Steve

[icekiwi]

Bet the poor barstard on his just purchased Hornet outside Colemans didn't mind my advice...
Errr ummmm it won't start mate cause you've still got your stand down...

[The Stranger]

Get over yourself.


Actually, I'd go a step further.
Keep an OPEN mind. Don't let your sexist attitude get in the way of learning.

We had a contract with the Air Force, being overseen by Booth Sweetman & Wolf. Involved were some of our best engineering minds from the Air Force, Booth Sweetman, NZ Steel, Dimond Industries and many others. The issue at stake (an engineering one) was resolved by Chicken George - a (very) humble Tongan carpenter.
Keep an open mind, you never know what you may accidentally learn.

[CookMySock]

The issue at stake (an engineering one) was resolved by Chicken George - a (very) humble Tongan carpenter.Taught you everything you know? :killingme

Steve

[The Stranger]

You can't do anything about that. You can relax a bit - the world isn't going to spin off its' axis because you or I aren't here at that critical moment to offer that life-saving snippet of wisdom, and really, we aint nearly as smart as we think we are anyway, we just like to think so. ;)


Speaking of 90% of posts being full of shit and people offering advice when they haven't a clue what they're talking about and voila - right on cue along comes DangerousBastard to support my case.


Thanks also for the wonderful example to geestring of how males also recieve useless unsolicited advice from other males.

[FROSTY]

A little factoid Geestring. Airlines used to be run on the basis that the pilot was a god in his own domain. No communication from pasengers to PIC (fulla in charge). As a result several air accidents happened because the fulla in charge diddn't actually know what was going on behind him.(most everything is behind him)
Now there is a system in place so passengers are able to tell PIC about stuff that maybee worrys them--Hey mr Pilot didya know the engine fell off the wing??

[Genestho]

Well, I ain't no digger driver, but have been in a "mans domain" more than once..

I find you can listen to, and accept the advice graciously, take from the advice - what you want, and then promptly show them how you can kick arse!:Punk:

That's called earning your respect.

Advice is not soley given by men, so don't take offence, take what you want, don't thrive on it, and move on :yes:

I am an advocator of "Girl Power" So big ups to you!

Oooo, are we supposed to be giving advice here?! :lol: Whoops!

[klingon]

It's not just a guy/girl thing... there are all kinds of situations and all kinds of agendas that influence how people give advice and how people take it (or reject it).

Just this morning my sister was complaining how Mum insists on telling Sis how to bring up her baby. Maybe Mum's got some good ideas, but when Sis is walking around the house trying to settle a 9-month-old who's screaming in one ear and Mum is following closely on her heels bellowing advice in the other ear (mostly "You're doing it all wrong!") I can see why nobody ends up happy with the outcome.

On the other hand, the other day I saw Sis' husband changing the baby's nappy and Sis kept telling him he was doing it wrong. Eventually he handed the baby and the nappy to Sis and let her do it herself. To her, this was proof he couldn't do it as well as she could. To me, there will come a time when she complains that he isn't an involved father because he never changes the baby's nappy. Again, nobody ends up happy.

Both these situations were examples of people trying to retain their power in a relationship. Trying to prove they had superior knowledge to the other person and therefore maintain their authority.

Of course, I am then tempted to wade in and offer my own advice to everyone. "Mum, why don't you just butt out and leave Sis to bring up her own child?" and "Sis, just let hubby practice putting a nappy on the baby without you peering over his shoulder - it's not going to kill either of them!"

So far, I have avoided giving advice to them all (even though I know best!) I just get to be the doting auntie who plays with the baby when he's not crying and doesn't need his nappy changed! :done:

[alley cat]

Take the advice, be glad someone takes an interest. You may pick up some wee gems along the way. I work with a boy crew too and they loved being asked for help. Men just wana be men. And thank god for most of em, it would be a bitchy planet otherwise.

[3Banger]

I wonder if the guys offer you advice because your a shit operater and look stupid? Just a thought.

[geestring]

We just gotta get a decent lock put on that kitchen door

no need matie i dont cook.


So you want to be treated like a bloke when it suits you,
and like a lady on other occasions?

[quote] can that happen, if so then YES PLEASE.

And how is a bloke to know which way you prefer to be treated when?......:confused:

[QUOTE].
if your worthy enough !! YOU'LL KNOW.

[QUOTE=Shaun S;1129260231]Presumption can be a mother. You are playing in a traditionally male dominated area, which means a lot of men will presume that you are not as good as they are, and will offer advice.

That’s when you step up and kick arse I hope? Or at least match them in skill – because if you don’t and you are just average (or below), then you actually justify men’s attitudes towards girls who play in their sand pit.
of course i kick ass, thats why after 5 years in the industry im still here.



A little factoid Geestring. Airlines used to be run on the basis that the pilot was a god in his own domain. No communication from pasengers to PIC (fulla in charge). As a result several air accidents happened because the fulla in charge diddn't actually know what was going on behind him.(most everything is behind him)
Now there is a system in place so passengers are able to tell PIC about stuff that maybee worrys them--Hey mr Pilot didya know the engine fell off the wing??


just as well my digger doesnt have a back seat.


Well, I ain't no digger driver, but have been in a "mans domain" more than once..

I find you can listen to, and accept the advice graciously, take from the advice - what you want, and then promptly show them how you can kick arse!:Punk:

That's called earning your respect.

Advice is not soley given by men, so don't take offence, take what you want, don't thrive on it, and move on :yes:

I am an advocator of "Girl Power" So big ups to you!

Oooo, are we supposed to be giving advice here?! :lol: Whoops!

i never take offence, just trying to do my job, but when someone is standing by talking pointless dribble, why should i be waisting valueable work time, being nice to these clowns when most of them have only read about how to operate. these are the dangerous clowns. was not talking about my team, we all work in together. other random site visitors.

[geestring]

I wonder if the guys offer you advice because your a shit operater and look stupid? Just a thought.
WHO are you.
ah are you my stalker.:shifty::shifty:

[LBD]

Hi Gstring

If you ever make it over here, I will arrange for you to have a play with one of our new toys...22 tonnes, thats almost 2/3rds a bucket load.

Photographed at the factory before dismantling and shipping.

[geestring]

Take the advice, be glad someone takes an interest. You may pick up some wee gems along the way. I work with a boy crew too and they loved being asked for help. Men just wana be men. And thank god for most of em, it would be a bitchy planet otherwise.

thanx but im at work for a purpose not coffee group, if i wanted them to be inerested i would operate my digger in a bikini.

[3Banger]

WHO are you.
ah are you my stalker.:shifty::shifty:

just teasing :laugh:

[geestring]

Hi Gstring

If you ever make it over here, I will arrange for you to have a play with one of our new toys...22 tonnes, thats almost 2/3rds a bucket load.

Photographed at the factory before dismantling and shipping.

thanx will keep you in mind, let me know if you need an opertaor. that looks AWSOME. SHAME our fleet only goes from 1.5 to 50 tonne.

[LBD]

thanx but im at work for a purpose not coffee group, if i wanted them to be inerested i would operate my digger in a bikini.


You would not work over here in a bikini....minus 35 in winter and a max of plus 15 in summer with frosts and snow all year round.... Seriuus FRIPPLE as my daughter would say.

[3Banger]

...and if thats you in your profile pic I think I'd put work boots and wooly socks on with me stubbie shorts and singlet to come talk tractors with ya!

[Fatt Max]

Look, at the end of the day the answer is simple. Men simply love them, they love playing with them and love having them wiggled around, especially if there is a bit of whipped banana cream on the end. I mean, at the end of the day, the only reason women have them is so men will talk to them.

Sorry...I thought it said 'Tits'......ahem, forget that post, eh

[Kemet]

Hi Gstring

If you ever make it over here, I will arrange for you to have a play with one of our new toys...22 tonnes, thats almost 2/3rds a bucket load.

Photographed at the factory before dismantling and shipping.

How come only she gets one??!!

I want one!!!

Give me one!!!!

Where's miiiinnnnnnneeeeeeee????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:chase:

[Cr1MiNaL]

I've given advice (to both men and women) and received a lot more than I have given over the years. I am guilty of giving advice to women (and come to think of it men too - with no distinction) when not really asked for, but always in a polite and friendly way and with the best of intentions. Although I completely see where you are coming from when you feel offended that people at work were telling you how to operate this 22 tonne digger having done the job for 5 years.

If a particular woman took my fancy for example, I'd use charm and not my unparalleled skill on two wheels to show her I cared. That's just silly, and definitely not the way I'd do it.

I suppose coming to really think of it now, its more of a sub-conscious thing with me anyway just because I work in the financial advisory industry, and it's part of what I do for 9 hours a day. Good point though, sometimes we let our sub-conscious merge with our conscious selves and one really needs to think about it to realise that it can be offending.

[HenryDorsetCase]

speaking of tips, did you hear what the leper said to the prostitute? "Oh, you can keep the tip"


thats my contribution. I work in an area where the women are at least as clever and motivated as the men.

[LBD]

speaking of tips, did you hear what the leper said to the prostitute? "Oh, you can keep the tip".


Yup this thread has taken a dive....

[Headbanger]

What are ya Santa Claus?

No, But I did bring the spare digger home so the kids could have a trash on it.

[SixPackBack]

Speaking of 90% of posts being full of shit and people offering advice when they haven't a clue what they're talking about and voila - right on cue along comes DangerousBastard to support my case.


Thanks also for the wonderful example to geestring of how males also recieve useless unsolicited advice from other males.

Holy shit The_Stranger thats like taking a frosty cone from baby.:eek:

[The Stranger]

Holy shit The_Stranger thats like taking a frosty cone from baby.:eek:

Well someone has to do it sixpack. Child obesitiy is a big problem these days and either you're part of the solution or you're - o..h.. weight, I better not go there.

[PrincessBandit]

Presumption can be a mother. You are playing in a traditionally male dominated area, which means a lot of men will presume that you are not as good as they are, and will offer advice.

That’s when you step up and kick arse I hope? Or at least match them in skill – because if you don’t and you are just average (or below), then you actually justify men’s attitudes towards girls who play in their sand pit.

Now, ain't that the rub. How many of the men in their field are "average (or below)" but still feel that a woman on the same level as them justifies their looking down on them? If a man and woman both do an average (or below) - to keep the quote intact - there is no way a male should still feel he's superior. It pisses me off that if a woman wants to do a "male's job" then she has to do it 100 times better, just to earn the same level of respect they'd give a useless male colleague. Maybe that's not what you mean to imply but chauvinism is alive and well when men can't handle a woman showing them up in an area they're supposed to monopolise.

[ajturbo]

Htfu.................

[CookMySock]

It pisses me off that if a woman wants to do a "male's job" then she has to do it 100 times better, just to earn the same level of respect they'd give a useless male colleague.C'mon PB, you don't have to earn anyones' respect. Don't struggle - just be yourself.

Steve

[PrincessBandit]

C'mon PB, you don't have to earn anyones' respect. Don't struggle - just be yourself.

Steve

Thanks for your concern Steve, but I wasn't actually talking about myself, rather than commenting on an attitude. I'm happy being me!

[puddy]

No, But I did bring the spare digger home so the kids could have a trash on it.

Shit! Your older kid is an ugly brute isn't he!:bleh:

[NDORFN]

This thread is such a crock of sensationalised feminist bullshit. Any woman in a traditionally male dominated profession has already obtained a big fat slice of equality therein. The fact she has that job should be enough motivation for her to get on with it without the whinging. That's what men have been doing since the dawn of time. As far as having to work twice as hard to get same recognition as thier male counterparts... that's life. That's human nature. Consider yourself pioneers and be proud of "working twice as hard" and what you're achieving for our daughters. In the past 3 1/2 years of being a "Stay-at-home-Dad", I've had to work twice as hard as other mothers to fit in at Playcenter, coffee groups, Daycare, even to make friends with other mothers so my daughter has friends of her own! I've had litterally EVERY mother I've met give me some kind of advice (most of which was common sense but I gratefully accepted it anyway), and not once have I complained. It's been a challenge, but I love every second of it, and wouldn't trade it for the world. I hope what I've done has helped atleast a little to pave the way for more fathers to spend some of each of thier kids childhood at home raising them full-time. Our daughter by the way... you'll never catch her bitching about men giving her advice. I'm teaching her to listen to all the advice anyone gives her, then practice only of it that she deems wise to.

[Pussy]

I'm happy being me!

Well that's good! :niceone:

You should go and make Balu a nice banana cake to prove how happy you are....

[PrincessBandit]

... As far as having to work twice as hard to get same recognition as thier male counterparts... that's life. That's human nature. Consider yourself pioneers and be proud of "working twice as hard" and what you're achieving for our daughters. In the past 3 1/2 years of being a "Stay-at-home-Dad", I've had to work twice as hard as other mothers to fit in at Playcenter, coffee groups, Daycare, even to make friends with other mothers so my daughter has friends of her own! I've had litterally EVERY mother I've met give me some kind of advice (most of which was common sense but I gratefully accepted it anyway), and not once have I complained. It's been a challenge, but I love every second of it, and wouldn't trade it for the world. I hope what I've done has helped atleast a little to pave the way for more fathers to spend some of each of thier kids childhood at home raising them full-time. Our daughter by the way... you'll never catch her bitching about men giving her advice. I'm teaching her to listen to all the advice anyone gives her, then practice only of it that she deems wise to.

Thanks for the reminder that it works both ways.


Well that's good! :niceone:

You should go and make Balu a nice banana cake to prove how happy you are....

Yes, at once massah..... 'cept I got no bananas at the mo :laugh:

[Headbanger]

Shit! Your older kid is an ugly brute isn't he!:bleh:

He is, and he walks around like he owns the place.

[Mikkel]

I don't give tips. Neither to men nor women - I'm a cheap bastard...

[CookMySock]

And thank god for most of em, it would be a bitchy planet otherwise.Thank you for your vote of confidence in the lads. Boys with great self-esteem really help things go better don't they.

Steve

[Kemet]

I don't give tips. Neither to men nor women - I'm a cheap bastard...

surely not...

say in ain't so!!!

[Shaun S]

of course i kick ass, thats why after 5 years in the industry im still here.Then be quiet in the knowledge that you are good! Smile politely, thank the person for their advice and show them what you are capable of! No need to trash talk. (Not that I’m saying you are, I’m saying you come across as if you feel have nothing to learn or no improvements to make)

You never know they may actually offer advice that broadens your knowledge base. Only in the industry 5 years you say? He may have been for 20 and can actually teach you something. Not a gender based thing, a knowledge thing.

I have been doing what I do for almost 20 years - and fuck I still learn new things!

[geestring]

Then be quiet in the knowledge that you are good! Smile politely, thank the person for their advice and show them what you are capable of! No need to trash talk. (Not that I’m saying you are, I’m saying you come across as if you feel have nothing to learn or no improvements to make)

You never know they may actually offer advice that broadens your knowledge base. Only in the industry 5 years you say? He may have been for 20 and can actually teach you something. Not a gender based thing, a knowledge thing.

I have been doing what I do for almost 20 years - and fuck I still learn new things!

yes thank you, sorry if i come across that way it wasn't ment to. i always listen to men and women, and take what i can. i like to think i learn some thing new every day. i NEVER talk down to anyone, no matter who they are or what they do.

[geestring]

This thread is such a crock of sensationalised feminist bullshit. Any woman in a traditionally male dominated profession has already obtained a big fat slice of equality therein. The fact she has that job should be enough motivation for her to get on with it without the whinging. That's what men have been doing since the dawn of time. As far as having to work twice as hard to get same recognition as thier male counterparts... that's life. That's human nature. Consider yourself pioneers and be proud of "working twice as hard" and what you're achieving for our daughters. In the past 3 1/2 years of being a "Stay-at-home-Dad", I've had to work twice as hard as other mothers to fit in at Playcenter, coffee groups, Daycare, even to make friends with other mothers so my daughter has friends of her own! I've had litterally EVERY mother I've met give me some kind of advice (most of which was common sense but I gratefully accepted it anyway), and not once have I complained. It's been a challenge, but I love every second of it, and wouldn't trade it for the world. I hope what I've done has helped atleast a little to pave the way for more fathers to spend some of each of thier kids childhood at home raising them full-time. Our daughter by the way... you'll never catch her bitching about men giving her advice. I'm teaching her to listen to all the advice anyone gives her, then practice only of it that she deems wise to.

i think people are taking this the wrong way, im not after anyones aprovle or acceptence, i do what i do because i enjoy it and no more. if it was advice it would be great , but its not, the guys in the crew think it so funny too.

[Headbanger]

i NEVER talk down to anyone, no matter who they are or what they do.

Now there's your problem, Time to get assertive, decide who your better then (its easiest if you just decide your better then everybody else, and then let them prove themselves worthy) and start talking down to people.

Before you know it....You will be in middle management.woohooo.

[Kemet]

Now there's your problem, Time to get assertive, decide who your better then (its easiest if you just decide your better then everybody else, and then let them prove themselves worthy) and start talking down to people.

Before you know it....You will be in middle management.woohooo.

sounds about right

[geestring]

Now there's your problem, Time to get assertive, decide who your better then (its easiest if you just decide your better then everybody else, and then let them prove themselves worthy) and start talking down to people.

Before you know it....You will be in middle management.woohooo.

thanx might try it one day in the right situation. :yes:

[Bangbug]

did the advice come in the form of
"get that fucking pilla OFF MY CAR YOU STUPID BITCH?"
if so, don't worry about it.
that's more criticism than advice.
Perhaps give the advisers some tips on how to use their penis?
If they get offended just say they looked like they didn't know how to use them.
Best of luck

[Laxi]

as the lepper said to the pro, "keep the tip"