Stopping dislocated shoulders

[lostinflyz]

hello everybody,

well seeing as i find crashing such a pleasure, i try and undertake a good solid crash every few months. unfortunatly in the past 3 months i have managed to crash really goodly and dislocate both my shoulders (in seperate crashes). It may just have been the nature of the crashes or it might just be my pussy shoulders. but anyway

A number of people have talked about a variety of tapes straps and braces that you can get to keep yourself together. Just wondering if anyone has ever or does use anything? does it work good enough and is it comfy??? where did you get it and wats it cost????

cheers Everybody

[vifferman]

I've never dislocated my shoulders crashing, although I've dislocated both in the past, and wrecked both rotator cups in non-motorcycling accidents.
I suspect that the long-term solution is to build up the strength of the muscles/ligaments/rubberbands in your shoulders to stop this happening. It's what I'm currently doing at physio.

[duckonin]

Sounds lke a trip to an orthopaedic surgeon for a putiplait..

That will keep you together...!! forget the tape and drama, to have shoulders coming out of joint is not fun at all..

[Sparky Bills]

Would be interested to know too. Gota love the dislocated shoulder club!

[TonyB]

From my own experience of buggering up a rotator cuff, as I understand it the way to go is strengthen up the muscles that hold it all together. Your shoulder is held in place by muscles and tendons. You can do what ever you like, but if the muscles and tendons are not strong, you'll continue to have problems.

A bit of happy news from a physio- it takes about 18 months for a shoulder to feel 'right' again. Thats when doing all the excercises the nice physio gives you.

[koba]

A bit of happy news from a physio- it takes about 18 months for a shoulder to feel 'right' again. Thats when doing all the excercises the nice physio gives you.

Bugger!
I just damaged mine a fair bit, I may have that to look foward to.

[lostinflyz]

From my own experience of buggering up a rotator cuff, as I understand it the way to go is strengthen up the muscles that hold it all together. Your shoulder is held in place by muscles and tendons. You can do what ever you like, but if the muscles and tendons are not strong, you'll continue to have problems.

A bit of happy news from a physio- it takes about 18 months for a shoulder to feel 'right' again. Thats when doing all the excercises the nice physio gives you.

great. now both my shoulders feel funny and its another 15 months till they feel good. yay

yea ive heard that about shoulders and strengthening. i merely wondered if anyone had tried some of the expensive braces you can get for them and if they are worth it and work.

guess ill have to drag the weights out and start taking protein milkshakes

[racerhead]

From my own experience of buggering up a rotator cuff, as I understand it the way to go is strengthen up the muscles that hold it all together. Your shoulder is held in place by muscles and tendons. You can do what ever you like, but if the muscles and tendons are not strong, you'll continue to have problems.

A bit of happy news from a physio- it takes about 18 months for a shoulder to feel 'right' again. Thats when doing all the excercises the nice physio gives you.

Yep thats exactly right. Ive done alot of damage to my left shoulder with mountain bike crashes. The main problem was I never gave it a chance to heal. Every 2-3 months Id knock it out and be back to the start again.
Ive been in the gym for the past few months and have noticed the shoulder has started to tighten back up alot.
The good news is though its only been about 8 months since I last dislocated it and it seems pretty strong, but saying that it hasnt had a good impact either.

But ye basicly just do the excercises and it will come right eventually.
Oh and try land on a different part of your body:laugh: Its worth a try

[lostinflyz]

Yep thats exactly right. Ive done alot of damage to my left shoulder with mountain bike crashes. The main problem was I never gave it a chance to heal. Every 2-3 months Id knock it out and be back to the start again.
Ive been in the gym for the past few months and have noticed the shoulder has started to tighten back up alot.
The good news is though its only been about 8 months since I last dislocated it and it seems pretty strong, but saying that it hasnt had a good impact either.

But ye basicly just do the excercises and it will come right eventually.
Oh and try land on a different part of your body:laugh: Its worth a try

yea did that. I landed on the OTHER shoulder. :bleh: hahahaha

[steveyb]

From my own experience of buggering up a rotator cuff, as I understand it the way to go is strengthen up the muscles that hold it all together. Your shoulder is held in place by muscles and tendons. You can do what ever you like, but if the muscles and tendons are not strong, you'll continue to have problems.

A bit of happy news from a physio- it takes about 18 months for a shoulder to feel 'right' again. Thats when doing all the excercises the nice physio gives you.

While in essence this is so, and having the humerus come out of the joint socket is not what it is intended to do, there are other, non-repairable (not easily anyway) issues.
When the bone come out of the joint the muscles and tendons get stretched or torn. This often makes them lengthen a tiny bit, but sufficient to make the joint unstable. Muscle exercises will strengthen this part back up and aid enourmously against further instability. But be very careful, the rotator cuff muscles are very small and very easy to injure. Light weights must be used, at least to start with.
Tendons and ligaments can be shortened surgically as a last resort.
The real problem however, is that around the joint is a structure of cartilage which acts as the outer part of the joint holding the bone in place. Without this the bone would just swing out of the socket.
Each time the humerus is removed from the socket a peice of this cartilage is knocked off, making it progressively easier for it to come out again.
I am unaware of procedures to repair this damage.

One sure way to help stop shoulder injuries (dislocations and clavicle fractures, not sure it is possible to eliminate them really) is to have soft shock absorbing armour fitted into your leathers. Hard armour transfers shock straight through to your body, soft armour (not just foam, but proper shock absorbing elastomers (rubber in other words, Astrosorb, Sorbathane, D3O) spreads the impact by transferring the energy into the rubber, not the wearer, as much as anything can actually do it. It'll still hurt!!

Enjoy.

[lostinflyz]

While in essence this is so, and having the humerus come out of the joint socket is not what it is intended to do, there are other, non-repairable (not easily anyway) issues.
When the bone come out of the joint the muscles and tendons get stretched or torn. This often makes them lengthen a tiny bit, but sufficient to make the joint unstable. Muscle exercises will strengthen this part back up and aid enourmously against further instability. But be very careful, the rotator cuff muscles are very small and very easy to injure. Light weights must be used, at least to start with.
Tendons and ligaments can be shortened surgically as a last resort.
The real problem however, is that around the joint is a structure of cartilage which acts as the outer part of the joint holding the bone in place. Without this the bone would just swing out of the socket.
Each time the humerus is removed from the socket a peice of this cartilage is knocked off, making it progressively easier for it to come out again.
I am unaware of procedures to repair this damage.

One sure way to help stop shoulder injuries (dislocations and clavicle fractures, not sure it is possible to eliminate them really) is to have soft shock absorbing armour fitted into your leathers. Hard armour transfers shock straight through to your body, soft armour (not just foam, but proper shock absorbing elastomers (rubber in other words, Astrosorb, Sorbathane, D3O) spreads the impact by transferring the energy into the rubber, not the wearer, as much as anything can actually do it. It'll still hurt!!

Enjoy.

cheers mate thats a valuable thought. ive never thought about the padding on my leathers. i cant even think if i really have any where its needed. and im sure itd just be foam even if it was. ho hum. ho hum

[cowpoos]

hello everybody,

well seeing as i find crashing such a pleasure, i try and undertake a good solid crash every few months. unfortunatly in the past 3 months i have managed to crash really goodly and dislocate both my shoulders (in seperate crashes). It may just have been the nature of the crashes or it might just be my pussy shoulders. but anyway

A number of people have talked about a variety of tapes straps and braces that you can get to keep yourself together. Just wondering if anyone has ever or does use anything? does it work good enough and is it comfy??? where did you get it and wats it cost????

cheers Everybody
learn to ride and don't crash!!

or take up chess :)

[lostinflyz]

learn to ride and don't crash!!

or take up chess :)

you ride on the road to not crash. you race on the track to push the limits. sometimes you push them just a bit too far. and fall on your arse.

[TonyB]

Bugger!
I just damaged mine a fair bit, I may have that to look foward to.


great. now both my shoulders feel funny and its another 15 months till they feel good. yay

Its not all doom and gloom! The physio meant 18 months till it fells as good as the other shoulder. Mine was perfectly useable after about 2.5 months. Its still a bit weak and a bit sore, but it does the job. For the first month or more it was virtually impossible to change gears in a manual car. They come right pretty quick if youre doing the right things.

[lostinflyz]

Its not all doom and gloom! The physio meant 18 months till it fells as good as the other shoulder. Mine was perfectly useable after about 2.5 months. Its still a bit weak and a bit sore, but it does the job. For the first month or more it was virtually impossible to change gears in a manual car. They come right pretty quick if youre doing the right things.

yea. my last one healed up in about a week and had full range of movement in about 2 1/2 weeks. i thought you meant till it was primo. my lefts still a bit sticky when really stretching or reaching but hell you can always harden up and pull through for a bit

[steveyb]

cheers mate thats a valuable thought. ive never thought about the padding on my leathers. i cant even think if i really have any where its needed. and im sure itd just be foam even if it was. ho hum. ho hum

www.celtic-leathers.com

[scott411]

i have had 15 dislocation's of my right shoulder, and 2 operations, it has been 18 months since my last time, i wear a evs shoulder brace when i ride now and it does make me feel a lot better as the shoulder definatly does not feel as good as my left shoudler.

[cowpoos]

you ride on the road to not crash. you race on the track to push the limits. sometimes you push them just a bit too far. and fall on your arse.
no...your wrong...if you fall off...its your fault..no matter if on the track or on the road!! and yes I know first hand about both sunshine :)

[lostinflyz]

no...your wrong...if you fall off...its your fault..no matter if on the track or on the road!! and yes I know first hand about both sunshine :)

yar its always your fault,never said it wasn't. But if your pushing your gonna fall off, no one i know of has ever pushed and not eventually crashed. and its kinda nice to fall and not have to go talk to the pretty nurses. thus the reason for back protectors and leathers and gloves and all them toys.

If i wanted to race and not fall off id slow down and do it in my undies. but id rather go as hard as i can and not show off me fat arse.

[Wingnut]

If i wanted to race and not fall off id slow down and do it in my undies. but id rather go as hard as i can and not show off me fat arse.

The fatter it is - the harder it is to get around I guess!:Offtopic:

[lostinflyz]

The fatter it is - the harder it is to get around I guess!:Offtopic:

eiy, never a truer word be spoken.

[lostinflyz]

bugger!!!

just popped it out again messing round with the family in the pool. Shit. words from the doc last time were that once more on either side and instant surgury. guess i might have to go find a kitchen knife.

anyone ever had surgury on dislocated shoulders???? Recovery time???

will obviously have to wait for the wee break between nats and winter series i think though.

[digsaw]

Yep, recovery time is long if you want it to be normal,work it till it hurts but then rest it,repetition and light loading is the way to go as well as working it to get maximum movement.mine took about 3 years before it came right after the op,it is now better than the other shoulder that has not had the op but has only been dislocated once .:doctor::apint:

[nz_rider]

How the hell did you dislocate your shoulder in the pool???? LOL

[lostinflyz]

How the hell did you dislocate your shoulder in the pool???? LOL

weeeellllllllllllll i was being an idiot. it was all rather entertaining.

fuck me, 3 years. Im happy as pig shit to stick it back in rather than piss round trying to make it right for that long. ill just keep crashing or doing something dumb and popping it out i think, with or without surgury if that was the case.

[nz_rider]

I imagine it wasn't all that entertaining for all those that were around you at the time. haha.
It would have been rather concerning.
Still impressed that you managed to dislocate it while swimming. Haha.

[lostinflyz]

I imagine it wasn't all that entertaining for all those that were around you at the time. haha.
It would have been rather concerning.
Still impressed that you managed to dislocate it while swimming. Haha.

yea maybe not so much. i think they were quite concerned at first but my continuos laughing was quite reassuring. mum did manage to call me an idiot 4-5 hundred times.

[nz_rider]

Haha. Good on you for laughing through the pain. It is either that or cry. And your mother is right for calling you an idiot. You probably gave her quite the fright when she saw that your arm was no longer how it should be......
I hope that you have it is a sling now and are resting it up well.

[digsaw]

:Oi:If its yar right shoulder and it starts coming out when you shake hands or wipe yar ass you will get sooo pissed off you will have the op:niceone:

[lostinflyz]

:Oi:If its yar right shoulder and it starts coming out when you shake hands or wipe yar ass you will get sooo pissed off you will have the op:niceone:

ay its me right again. only worried if it pops when im skakin my friend!!!

[skaz]

you have the worlds most pussy sholders man. whats it gonne be like when you fall off in pothole in 3 weeks time?

[nz_rider]

ay its me right again. only worried if it pops when im skakin my friend!!!

What is "skakin"? Or does one not really want to know? :msn-wink::msn-wink: