Must have new bike, the cops will crucify my license again if I don't!

[Kwakajack]

Right;

This is a tale of woe with a potentially bright spot at the end. My leaden wrist and inline four 600 has seen to my license for the 3rd time. 6 months and a large fine.

I took it upon myself to put my bike up for sale, (once I have tidied her up a bit, so no offers yet please.) I am now looking for a VTwin, as the low end torque would give me the acceleration jollies at a far lower speed. Mid size motors are hard to find in a streetfighter-esque setup. Leaves me with the options of a 600 - 800cc Monster, SV650, or maybe, and I mean maybe, a mid size Cagiva Raptor, depending on whether they even used the smaller Suzi lump.

I'd look into the 1000cc variants but I am not sure I'd trust my ability to control my throttle. The other thought was as 675 Street Triple but, finances will constrain me a bit. I may struggle to drum up 10k plus before summer so in the meantime I need to know of any really problem issues with late model Ducati Monsters and SV650s :scooter: :shit:

[dipshit]

in the meantime I need to know of any really problem issues with late model Ducati Monsters and SV650s

If you want to improve the odds of getting a trouble-free bike... go for the SV..!

[Katman]

All those bikes are capable of license losing speeds.

I don't think the problem lies with the bike.

[NighthawkNZ]

Right;

This is a tale of woe with a potentially bright spot at the end. My leaden wrist and inline four 600 has seen to my license for the 3rd time. 6 months and a large fine.

I took it upon myself to put my bike up for sale, (once I have tidied her up a bit, so no offers yet please.) I am now looking for a VTwin, as the low end torque would give me the acceleration jollies at a far lower speed. Mid size motors are hard to find in a streetfighter-esque setup. Leaves me with the options of a 600 - 800cc Monster, SV650, or maybe, and I mean maybe, a mid size Cagiva Raptor, depending on whether they even used the smaller Suzi lump.

I'd look into the 1000cc variants but I am not sure I'd trust my ability to control my throttle. The other thought was as 675 Street Triple but, finances will constrain me a bit. I may struggle to drum up 10k plus before summer so in the meantime I need to know of any really problem issues with late model Ducati Monsters and SV650s :scooter: :shit:

Well considering you can loose you license on a 250... let alone the bikes you mention above... maybe a 49cc moped... ;)

[CookMySock]

I am now looking for a VTwin, as the low end torque would give me the acceleration jollies at a far lower speed.Yeah you are right there.. the mid range vtwins are a barrel of laughs without having to woop hell out of it.

Steve

[dipshit]

All those bikes are capable of license losing speeds.

I don't think the problem lies with the bike.

I think he means a bike with a bit of bottom end and midrange hp so he can cruise along without having to cane it... but not too much hp like a thou would give...???

[xgnr]

Get a Beemer Doug!

[Katman]

I think he means a bike with a bit of bottom end and midrange hp so he can cruise along without having to cane it... but not too much hp like a thou would give...???

You might be right.

But........


My leaden wrist ...........

..........would give me the acceleration jollies.........

..........not sure I'd trust my ability to control my throttle.

.........you have to wonder.

:whistle:

[CookMySock]

I think he means a bike with a bit of bottom end and midrange hp so he can cruise along without having to cane it... but not too much hp like a thou would give...???It's more like, noisy inline fours talk to you between 7 and 14,000 rpm. Out of that zone and they are asleep - no woop-woop = boring, and it's just too tempting to put the bike back into "the zone." Noisy vtwins talk to you between 4 and 7,000 so you are always in the zone - squeeze some on and they growwwl at you and shake their mirrors off, slacken it off and they crackle-pop-bang-boom! wtwins talk to their daddy allllll day... sigh. :love:

Steve

[BMWST?]

It's more like, noisy inline fours talk to you between 7 and 14,000 rpm. Out of that zone and they are asleep - no woop-woop = boring, and it's just too tempting to put the bike back into "the zone." Noisy vtwins talk to you between 4 and 7,000 so you are always in the zone - squeeze some on and they growwwl at you and shake their mirrors off, slacken it off and they crackle-pop-bang-boom! wtwins talk to their daddy allllll day... sigh. :love:

Steve

in some ways a v twin will make it EASIER to go fast....

[mossy1200]

I gradually went bigger and bigger in bike size reaching zx12r then started downsizing.While chasing bigger thrill factor with bigger bikes you lose the fun factor of making less hp do the same job.Im now riding t100 triumph 170hp down to 65(with mods).Im having more fun on it and at 110 it feels like the zx12 at 160+.
Instead of upgrading bike I just upgrade bits.

[Hidalgo]

You need this ....

[CookMySock]

in some ways a v twin will make it EASIER to go fast....for sure, you just squeeze it and it goes - no maths! but just a little twist brings back that smile.. and throttle off, and there it is again.. ya just can't get away from it, whereas with the inlines you have to woop them.

Steve

[PirateJafa]

One day DangerousIceCream might ride something other than a Hyobag, then he'll actually learn what power is like.

Until then, I can't help but laugh. :rofl:

[dipshit]

It's more like, noisy inline fours talk to you between 7 and 14,000 rpm.

I must say after going from a SV1000 to a GSX-R 600 k8... i was pleasantly surprised how well the 600 pulls top gear at around 100 kph. It is very rideable from 5000 rpm. (mind you, i am only 78kg)

In a way it is easier to cruise along closer to the speed limit on the 600 because it isn't making large amounts of torque down low... but still has more than enough to hold top at 100 kph.

Newer 600's with midrange are a different kettle of fish to the 600's with top end only when it comes to road riding.

[Mschvs]

All those bikes are capable of license losing speeds.

I don't think the problem lies with the bike.

Maybe at the same time, you should invest in a radar detector and an eye examination ... for your own sake of course!!

[Hitcher]

I don't think the problem lies with the bike.

Damned straight. Those who blame the bike for their speeding woes could save themselves cash, as well as "protecting" their licenses, by procuring a used GN250.

[CookMySock]

Those who blame the bike for their speeding woes could save themselves cash, as well as "protecting" their licenses, by procuring a used GN250.Suspend your disbelief. He's not saying the bike is as fault. He's saying some bikes are rewarding than others to ride at legal speeds.

Steve

[Indiana_Jones]

You can loose your licence on any bike.

Edit: good point made by DB, riding a 'slower' bike at speed has it's own rewards :)

but if you want torque, get a street triple :D

-Indy

[jim.cox]

Get a Beemer Doug!

and a radar detector :)

[vifferman]

You can loose your licence on any bike.
Not if you glue it to your pants, or otherwise ensure it's tight.
You can also lose it, if you have a hole in your pocket.

[Taz]

Forget the sports bikes and get an adventure bike then travel the roads less travelled. You'll have a ball and keep your licence.

[BMWST?]

Forget the sports bikes and get an adventure bike then travel the roads less travelled. You'll have a ball and keep your licence.

the wind sock riding position discourages speeds much more than the speed limit too

[xwhatsit]

One day DangerousIceCream might ride something other than a Hyobag, then he'll actually learn what power is like.

Until then, I can't help but laugh. :rofl:
Well they make an appreciable amount more than the SV650.

Anyway it's a valid point. All bikes have their `sweet spot' where the gear ratios and horsepower curves and suspension all match up and the bike is comfortable and most enjoyable to ride. For a GN250 that's about 70-80kph... for a 1000cc transverse four it seems to be more like 160kph+. Twins (and even more so, singles) with their banging away and lack of high-end power rush compared to tend to have that sweet spot at slower speeds. Take all the silly plastic bodywork and screen off and the sweet spot will be even lower.

A speed-freak can get his jollies on a GB500 or a Goose well below the speed limit, zooming around town and finding twisty mountain roads. A high-capacity transverse four simply isn't aimed at that kind of riding -- carefully opening a 3mm of throttle and never getting out of first or second gear is not most people's idea of a `blast'.

If you've got little self-control to begin with, best to reduce the chance of temptation, no?

[p.dath]

Would perhaps a noisier muffler give you the thrills you are after?

[Taz]

zooming around town


Zooming around town is the best place to pick up speeding tickets. There are places out there that are more speed friendly than the city. right place right time and you shouldn't pick up too many fines. 95kmh past the local high school to "impress" the chicks and you'll be walking in no time. Still some just can't do without an audience.

[slofox]

An SVS is certainly capable of losing you your licence, 'specially with a Two Bros can on it...as I noted this morning when I passed a truck and trailer unit and noted with horror that I was clocking mumbletymumblety9km/hr...less HUGE speedo error of course so was probably still quite legal (yeah right). I did shut 'er down in a hurry though, once I noticed...:Oops:
Which is my whole point really - on almost any bike, it is way easy to drift over the limit without even noticing, especially when overtaking. I also have a really bad habit of thinking I am still a gear down from 6th and finding that I am actually NOT in 5th after all...that's gonna get me in the shit one day soon if I don't learn the learn quick smart...:blink:

[Hitcher]

A high-capacity transverse four simply isn't aimed at that kind of riding -- carefully opening a 3mm of throttle and never getting out of first or second gear is not most people's idea of a `blast'.

Bullshit.

Sorry, I should have said "what a staggering over-simplistic generalisation". Forgive me.

[xwhatsit]

Zooming around town is the best place to pick up speeding tickets. There are places out there that are more speed friendly than the city. right place right time and you shouldn't pick up too many fines. 95kmh past the local high school to "impress" the chicks and you'll be walking in no time. Still some just can't do without an audience.
Well that ties into what I was talking about. On a GSXR600 `zooming around town' may very well be 95kph past the local high school. On a GN250 or RS125 or a motard `zooming around town' can still be bang-on the speed limit and you still get your kicks scraping pegs turning 90-degrees into side streets, or dragging off cops in Commodores from the traffic lights (and hitting all five gears before you get to 50kph), pulling wheelies off speed bumps at 25kph etc.

You can get no better example than the Sachs Madass 125 that's being stored in my garage for a friend right now. It wheelies and stoppies with complete ease at 20kph. You can throw it through corners like a dirt bike. You're in top gear by 45kph -- and it sounds manic while you race it up through the gears to get there.

[xwhatsit]

Bullshit.

Sorry, I should have said "what a staggering over-simplistic generalisation". Forgive me.
Of course it's a staggering over-simplistic generalisation. But what would be more interesting for you through a downtown `parking lot' of a clogged city commute? Your old FJR, or a DRZ400 Super Moto? Or on a tight, bumpy, left/right/left/right 25kph-recommended forest road like Waipoua Forest?

I won't guess at your reasons for buying the SL750, but given it's a naked smaller-capacity twin you must see some of my point.

[Shaun S]

Blah blah blah. You ride with your mind - you either want slow down on the road or you don’t. (Sorry Hitcher, over simplistic again?)

If you have a bike that is rewarding to blat on, take it to the track.

[The Pastor]

torque is not responsible for acceleration!

[MaxCannon]

torque is not responsible for acceleration!

That would be your little secret.

[slofox]

torque is not responsible for acceleration!

Torquing the torque is NOT walking the walk...

[James Deuce]

A Suzuki Goose 350. Serious fun in the twisties. Enough top end to lose your license, but you'd have to work at it.

There's one for sale on TradeMe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-224151630.htm) that is perfect. However, enough trying to sell someone else's bike.

You get tickets because you speed. All motorways and following State Highways are inadvisable to speed on at any time: SH1, SH2, SH3, SH4, SH5, SH27, and SH57.

There, I've sorted it for you! It's not the bike, it's the pile-it.

[Taz]

You get tickets because you speed. All motorways and following State Highways are inadvisable to speed on at any time: SH1, SH2, SH3, SH4, SH5, SH27, and SH57.
.

And any road around Te Awamutu.

[Mom]

Damned straight. Those who blame the bike for their speeding woes could save themselves cash, as well as "protecting" their licenses, by procuring a used GN250.

Settle petal, if you really work at it you could in theory lose the trusty license on an old GN. You would have to work at it mind, but it could happen.

You know what they say eh? A bad workman always blames his tools.

[retired motoman]

And a good tradesman never blames his tools .
Learn to control your right wrist , and take it to the track if you want a real blow out, Plain and simple.

[Squiggles]

What you need is a big vibey single, plenty of torque but it'll vibe so much at speed you'll be forced to slow down

[xwhatsit]

What you need is a big vibey single, plenty of torque but it'll vibe so much at speed you'll be forced to slow down
I don't think that's the issue with your DR650. The reason you have trouble going fast is that there's a large hairy man on the pillion seat clutching an 18" wire wheel.

[Squiggles]

I don't think that's the issue with your DR650. The reason you have trouble going fast is that there's a large hairy man on the pillion seat clutching an 18" wire wheel.

You must be thinking of another rider as you're neither large nor hairy :lol:

[xwhatsit]

You must be thinking of another rider as you're neither large nor hairy :lol:
I feel large when I'm around you, and have you seen my exam beard?

[skidMark]

Get a Beemer Doug!


nobody is really getting beemers these days.

[xgnr]

nobody is really getting beemers these days.

nice one Skid :laugh:

[skidMark]

nice one Skid :laugh:


**takes a bow**

(and no that not an excuse to move in behind me :mellow:)

[cheshirecat]

Some years ago the Triumph Tiger Cub was the safest bike you could buy. Mainly because it spent 90% of it's time in the garage being fixed. You might need to consider a contemporary example - ideas anyone?

[Kwakajack]

Maybe at the same time, you should invest in a radar detector and an eye examination ... for your own sake of course!!

Valid idea and def on the list, and my optometrist sees me quite frequently enough, though the Radar detector will be helpful. To all those who said I am just blaming the bike for my own throttle hand, not entirely wrong, 6 months on my feet should solve that, plus a requirement to keep my license due to work.

Scooters unfortunately just don't cut it and GNs do NOT handle, in fact are damn near unsafe to ride I've found so that is not a nice idea, and no I wasnt speeding at the time!

The reasoning is, though an SV and Monster is capable of 100kph plus some considerable margin, the fun to be had at low speeds outweighs the fact that I felt I had to ride the 600 [I]FAST[I] in order to get the same kick

[Kwakajack]

Some years ago the Triumph Tiger Cub was the safest bike you could buy. Mainly because it spent 90% of it's time in the garage being fixed. You might need to consider a contemporary example - ideas anyone?

Anything being older and Italian perhaps??

[CRM]

So what's the most pleasurable kind of bike do to distance in style, get your jolly's on and keep your licence? I thought my '87 Magna Vf 700 (now sold) was pretty good as without a screen it's not that comfy cruising at over 70mph anyway but a whole lot of fun to do most things with and looks very cool (IMHO). I've been thinking of another NZ trip and looking at maybe more a 1000cc sports/tourer with fairing (maybe a CBR1000 or ZZR1100) but does that mean I'll be too tempted to lose licence (already on 60 demerits)? What are the big tourers like (FJ1200 say or a big beemer) - any fun value?

[Hitcher]

What are the big tourers like (FJ1200 say or a big beemer) - any fun value?

The FJR1300 is a real rider's bike as well as being a brilliant way of getting a pillion and luggage effortlessly over comparatively large distances. Having owned one for in excess of 80,000km and rented one for nearly 8,000km, I believe I am qualified to offer an opinion.

Despite its apparent size, an FJR is an extremely competent weekend scratcher, if one's fancy takes one. Given that it is manufactured by the same company that makes the R1 and indeed shares some R1 componentry, one shouldn't be surprised by that.

The FJR is, in my opinion, the best of the bunch that it is categorised with. It is a considerably superior product to the ST1300 and, while not having all the electronic whistles and bells that the Concours has, it will absolutely spank it when it comes to performance and range.

Forget about BMWs, as they aren't interested in selling motorcycles to New Zealanders south of Taupo.

[Bow-Down]

Just save up for the 675! :2thumbsup

[magicfairy]

What you need is a big vibey single, plenty of torque but it'll vibe so much at speed you'll be forced to slow down

Suzuki LS650, that'll keep your License.

[Kwakajack]

Just save up for the 675! :2thumbsup

Better idea: situp and beg streetfighter, the sail effect makes huge speeds uncomfortable, that leaves Speed Triple or Street Triple, and the R spec Street Triple, gets all the Daytona's brakes and suspension for a more taut ride, plus not as inclined to spank it hard, Daytonas are FAST and so so easy to go FAST on, I rode one on demo at Honda Otago, addictively fun but that speed is not what I want. The triple is a lovely motor, its a real jewel but bear in mind when I already own a sportsbike, why would I want another if I wanted to keep my license and managed to lose it while riding a sportsbike.

Big vibey singles are a pain, literally, so no thanks, I may as well by a Hardley if I wanted vibes, and thats not the route I want to take.

[kit]

Well you wanted to know about monsters? I love my one!!!! its an 03 M1000ie and its damn fun to ride, haven't had any mechanical probs so far, cant fault it.
I love cruising bout 120-130 its comfy with heaps of power to go and have a wee play then settle back and cruise.

[Kwakajack]

A Suzuki Goose 350. Serious fun in the twisties. Enough top end to lose your license, but you'd have to work at it.

There's one for sale on TradeMe (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-224151630.htm) that is perfect. However, enough trying to sell someone else's bike.

You get tickets because you speed. All motorways and following State Highways are inadvisable to speed on at any time: SH1, SH2, SH3, SH4, SH5, SH27, and SH57.

There, I've sorted it for you! It's not the bike, it's the pile-it.


The pilot I am certain is both part of the problem and the key to the solution, as well as a different natured machine, knowing my own triggers helps, the lack of a convenient race track does not lol. Throttle control comes with a conscious decision to not be an idiot, nonetheless, a bike that is manoeverable, mildly sporty with a decent torquey motor and that I can go for runs out of town on, that is far less inclined to make me want to give it stick is an aid.

[ready4whatever]

you get a faster bike then bye bye cop. otherwise get a gn250 so you cant go over the limit