Got the latest Kiwi Rider mag yesterday...

[Taz]

And was reading with glee the snippet about the S1000RR on page 10-11 and the end of the story has been left out!! And amongst other errors did you know that changes have been made to the CBR to broaden torque between 8000 and 120,000 RPM. Man the new honda revs!! Lots of mistakes creeping in again guys. Standards are slipping.......

[AllanB]

And was reading with glee the snippet about the S1000RR on page 10-11 and the end of the story has been left out!! And amongst other errors did you know that changes have been made to the CBR to broaden torque between 8000 and 120,000 RPM. Man the new honda revs!! Lots of mistakes creeping in again guys. Standards are slipping.......

Shit My Honda 919 only revs to 95,000 rpm.

Maybe that's why the magazine is in a sealed plastic bag this month...:bash:

I subscribe to Cycle World magazine and I received a issue a couple of months ago with a 6 page section repeated twice!

So they are in good company :yes:

What they need to do is throw in the occasional tittie picture to take your mind off any errors..........or so I was told by a guy in publishing...........

[retro asian]

Doing Proof reading sucks balls...

I know firsthand that its bloody hard to do a publication without any little mistakes present! I've just finished a 484 page catalogue. Even though I don't know where the mistakes are, I know its not 100% accurate -that's what disclaimers are for:Punk:

[EJK]

Not only Kiwi Rider but Bike Trader mag made some good mistakes too (while back in 2007 and 08).

Such as, there was a review of a ST1050 on one page and a review about the Piaggio MP3 on the other. The spec of the MP3 showing 1050cc. Was tempted to buy one.
Also the infamous year 2066 VL1600 NOMAD on the front page.

Still got them both mags.

[vonstringer]

Two Wheels magazine is so full of small mistakes some paragraphs are almost gibberish. Things must be getting desperate for the Aussies, as they are now including porno advertisements to make ends meet.

Are these the final days for a once great bike mag?

[James Deuce]

Bling to the person who finds the stupid mistake in my latest blog entry (http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2009/06/jim-walsh-hog-flu.html). I spotted it about 24 hours ago. Well after everyone who is going to read it has.

It isn't as easy as you'd sometimes think it is, despite re-reads, rewrites, crumple-it-up-and-throw-it-in-the-bin-ites, and screwing up layouts by inserting pictures, and then finding that you'd re-used a photo you'd already used in another blog, I still missed one little contextual spelling mistake.

KR has come a long way in the last 3 or 4 years. A long, long way.

[vifferman]

I don't want no blingz. I spotted errors in your last two blogs, but figured overall they were so excellent (Dude!) that to pick on a coupla typos would be churlish.
So I didn't.

But it's "it's" in the last one.
So you can stop looking now.

However, "slack-jawed" should be, and "road-oriented", if you like.
I'd also change "Raked out" to raked out" or mebbe even "raked-out" and "19 inch" to "19-inch" if I was being an arseholey pedantrist.

Fukkit Jim - just send me your blog to proofread, so I don't feel so mean.... :confused:

[Hitcher]

Reading things out loud before hitting "submit" is a great way of flushing out the errant and obscure.

[James Deuce]

I don't want no blingz. I spotted errors in your last two blogs, but figured overall they were so excellent (Dude!) that to pick on a coupla typos would be churlish.
So I didn't.

But it's "it's" in the last one.
So you can stop looking now.

However, "slack-jawed" should be, and "road-oriented", if you like.
I'd also change "Raked out" to raked out" or mebbe even "raked-out" and "19 inch" to "19-inch" if I was being an arseholey pedantrist.

Fukkit Jim - just send me your blog to proofread, so I don't feel so mean.... :confused:

Harley-Davidson "is" due to being informed so by the Motor Company. Big Dave also.

The "it's" is the one I was thinking of, but I just found another. Bling to de dude (or dudette) who done finds that one!

Thanks V-Man!

[3L4NS1R]

Doing Proof reading sucks balls...

I know firsthand that its bloody hard to do a publication without any little mistakes present! I've just finished a 484 page catalogue. Even though I don't know where the mistakes are, I know its not 100% accurate -that's what disclaimers are for:Punk:

I know what you mean. First job out of uni was a 500 page catalogue, first draft came back with about 300 corrections. Second draft came back with 350...

[slofox]

You have a comma preceding an "and" in your first paragraph after the quote...:dodge:

I regularly put out a newsletter. It ALWAYS has some errors in it despite my best endeavours. I find I do better proof reading a printout of it than reading it on screen...dunno why. I have got to the stage where I just think "Fuck it! Good to go!"

[NighthawkNZ]

Use to work for a newspaper, and it is blardy difficult damn near impossible to get everything perfect. Every issue after it had gone through the process of proof reading (by a qualified proof ready person) and the reproofed etc... printed we would always find few errors through out...

The bigger the publication the harder it becomes to control and get everything.

Still in the printing industry today, and it hasn't changed. You would be supprised on the errors that are picked up and the ones that are missed.

[Mikkel]

[QUOTE=James Deuce;1129265813]Harley-Davidson "is" due to being informed so by the Motor Company. Big Dave also.

The "it's" is the one I was thinking of, but I just found another. Bling to de dude (or dudette) who done finds that one!

Thanks V-Man!

Well, if you want to get anal - AND and REALLY are written in all-caps which isn't exactly kosher. But since I presume you did that on purpose...

If you are writing on a serious level you will not use contractions such as don't, won't, it's and can't unless you are trying to impart an amount of animation to a written dialogue. Of course, blogging does not constitute formal writing so I suppose that isn't what you are thinking about either.

Neither "Sports bike" nor "Road racing" constitute a full sentence - they should be seperated by commas since you are effectively creating a list. But I dare assume you did that on purpose too.

But there is one error that I am certain you did not do on purpose. There's no space between 150 and mm nor between 400 and kg. :) (Also I have to assume you mean a 240 mm section... but there's no unit provided.)

Your writing is great Jim. Don't worry about it :no:

[James Deuce]

Well, if you want to get anal - AND and REALLY are written in all-caps which isn't exactly kosher. But since I presume you did that on purpose...

If you are writing on a serious level you will not use contractions such as don't, won't, it's and can't unless you are trying to impart an amount of animation to a written dialogue. Of course, blogging does not constitute formal writing so I suppose that isn't what you are thinking about either.

Neither "Sports bike" nor "Road racing" constitute a full sentence - they should be seperated by commas since you are effectively creating a list. But I dare assume you did that on purpose too.

But there is one error that I am certain you did not do on purpose. There's no space between 150 and mm nor between 400 and kg. :) (Also I have to assume you mean a 240 mm section... but there's no unit provided.)

Your writing is great Jim. Don't worry about it :no:

Cheers Mssrs Slofox and Mikkel!

The lack of space between value and unit is due to a formal technical engineering background. That's how "they" do it in the auto industry or at least they did 25 years ago.

The "240 section" thing is crediting your audience with a bit of nouse - not your scary amount of nouse Mr Mikkel, but nouse nonetheless.

But you've all missed it! I wrote "mounts" rather than "amounts" in the paragraph discussing the Rocker's brakes.

All the other stuff I have taken on board and I will most definitely use Mr Hitcher's approach of reading aloud, as well as eliminating the amateurish duplication of simile that creeps in to some paragraphs.

It's cool that people care enough about KR that they feel moved to point out that there's mistakes. I'm perfectly happy to lay my nuts on the line and ask for feedback. It's part of the ongoing experience of improving your writing, gauging whether or not you're connecting with people enough for them to read with sufficient concentration to find the mistakes, and it makes you want to improve the product overall.

[Big Dave]

...of 2009.
KR

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[Big Dave]

Reliably informed that if the dash is omitted in the presence of one of the Davidsons they may throw something at you.

[Big Dave]

Overall I'm personally very pleased with where the magazine is now. Still things to improve on indeed, but since Linda has been proof reading the mistakes have decreased a lot. I know I supply plenty.

Those small faux pas stand out more because everything else is looking so good!

http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2009/06/bd-signing-off.html

I'll suggest a corrections space in the next issue too. I made a bad one this issue as well. I listened to the tape five times (literally) too. Still got the name wrong.

[Voltaire]

I got credited for two photos in the " they are reading our mag where" bit. :woohoo:
....nearly got run over too.:scooter::scooter::scooter::scooter:
Shanghai ...crazy place.

[Big Dave]

Bueno! Shame we couldn't run them bigger.

Can we run enlargements on the web site?
I could lift them from the .pdf but they don't look as good if they have been converted to cmyk and back.

Could you email me the files maybe?

webmaster@kiwirider.co.nz

[Taz]

I want the pic of the playboy model bigger please.

[martybabe]

Harley-Davidson "is" due to being informed so by the Motor Company. Big Dave also.

The "it's" is the one I was thinking of, but I just found another. Bling to de dude (or dudette) who done finds that one!

Thanks V-Man!

You're being a bit hard on yourself Mate but in an effort to help you achieve the near perfect copy you desire, there is an omission in the extract copied below.

The content and style of your writing are both good and entertaining, at no point during reading the two blog entries was I tempted to flash read as I so often am with lesser writers with bigger egos.

I'm far more concerned with the content of an article than it's correct form and I think I quite often correct text subconsiously as I read, as in the case below, where I simply inserted the missing word.

Congratulations on some fine work.

EXCTRACT FROM JD BLOG: It's built be looked at AND ridden.

[Big Dave]

I want the pic of the playboy model bigger please.

Aye. Unfortunately the 16 page kid's section kinda hampers boobage options.

[Taz]

Even kids like boobs mate. For different reasons of course.

[Ocean1]

The lack of space between value and unit is due to a formal technical engineering background. That's how "they" do it in the auto industry or at least they did 25 years ago.

Common engineering usage. Can’t be arsed checking if it’s officially condoned ISO syntax or not, everyone I deal with, (except certain… European types) speak proper enjiner like wot I do.

[Big Dave]

This morning's Sydney Daily Telegraph main headline made me feel better about the typos.

NRL cougar's fury at new 'sex cllaim girl' (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25658764-5001021,00.html)

Clam Girl would have been funnier though

[Hitcher]

This morning's Sydney Daily Telegraph main headline made me feel better about the typos.

NRL cougar's fury at new 'sex cllaim girl' (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,25658764-5001021,00.html)

Clam Girl would have been funnier though

They've fixed it Dave. The Power Of The Interet has truncated your schadenfreude.

[James Deuce]

Sotto Voce: Quick! Fix "Interet" before he gets more schadenfreude.

[Big Dave]

>>gets more schadenfreude<<

laffs. I know the wholesaler.

[Hitcher]

Sotto Voce: Quick! Fix "Interet" before he gets more schadenfreude.

It's truncated, don't you know?

[MVnut]

I like Kiwi Rider, I think I still have every issue, but bought Bikerider the other day basically for the Sportbike test, flicked the pages, saw an MV, bought the mag, and all they said about the MV was "the MV crashed". No other mention....how....why....when...etc....bugger, got bored quickly and put the mag down ......ps the Gixer won, but I knew it would, they're biased, a bit like me really haha, MVs rule.

[Big Dave]

It's truncated, don't you know?

I hope you typed that in an Eric Idle voice.

[Big Dave]

Well nobody could accuse me of having Triumph....err.....personal favourites Buell ...doh...or sponsors....I mean to Arai........tsk, Rev-it that, sorry I mean say that you still can have an open mind about other products or vehicles.

To me it's about relating to a potential purchaser salient info and opinion/experience on that product - and or providing some entertainment.

I's really thankful that quite a few folks tell me they enjoy it. There was that bloke at the gas pump in 2003.

[Voltaire]

Bueno! Shame we couldn't run them bigger.

Can we run enlargements on the web site?
I could lift them from the .pdf but they don't look as good if they have been converted to cmyk and back.

Could you email me the files maybe?

webmaster@kiwirider.co.nz

Buona sera Dave, sent you the files.
ciao.

[merv]

Anyone else notice how the Ed in his First Word column talking about the Buller Gorge U-turn crash said "The guy was an idiot, I thought, when I read about how, determined to pursue bike riders Martin Collins and Brent Russell, he tried to do a a three point turn on a narrow blind corner"?

Now we know there is an error in the dear mag right there because in fact the cop wasn't going to pursue those bike riders he was going to chase that naughty rider (who would that be?) that was riding ahead of these guys and it was those two that hit his car.

Do I get a prize for spotting this? Lifetime free subscription woudl eb nice seeing I've been a subscriber since the mag merged with the old NZ Motorcycle News.

[Big Dave]

Fairy nuff. Special offer - You can view the web site and blogs for free from now on Merv. Tell them BD sent you.

[merv]

Fairy nuff. Special offer - You can view the web site and blogs for free from now on Merv. Tell them BD sent you.

Thanks Dave, are you guys going to pay my ISP monthly charges then :laugh:?

Hey no worries, have always enjoyed KR and have been a loyal subscriber.

[Big Dave]

Just ring the ISP and say 'Dave said it was all cool'. :done:

[svr]

Does NZ motorcycle `journalism', as a whole, represent the worst writing ever put to print? Why is it that after reading a Kiwi Rider magazine my sum total knowledge of motorcycling is somehow diminished?

[merv]

Just ring the ISP and say 'Dave said it was all cool'.

Yeah and he's a big guy so be very afraid :2guns:


Does NZ motorcycle `journalism', as a whole, represent the worst writing ever put to print? Why is it that after reading a Kiwi Rider magazine my sum total knowledge of motorcycling is somehow diminished?

Now that comment has to be BS.

[carver]

Motorcycle Journalists suck!

tossers, the lot of em.

greasing up to every bike manufacturer

[James Deuce]

Whores-R-Us.

It's a rotten job, but someone has to do it.

[Big Dave]

I coat the magazine with special formula that sucks the combined knowledge out of the reader and converts it to the energy that feeds my super riding powers.

Follow the white Rabbit, Jim.

[Big Dave]

Motorcycle Journalists suck!

tossers, the lot of em.

greasing up to every bike manufacturer

You *are* bitter that I wouldn't start a social group aren't you mate. :-P

[carver]

You *are* bitter that I wouldn't start a social group aren't you mate. :-P

dont worry, your in good company.....

if i start it, no one will join!

[carver]

Does NZ motorcycle `journalism', as a whole, represent the worst writing ever put to print? Why is it that after reading a Kiwi Rider magazine my sum total knowledge of motorcycling is somehow diminished?

no.........

[Big Dave]

dont worry, your in good company.....

if i start it, no one will join!

Not the content - I think KB is already too pidgeon holed.

I only visit 3 sections regularly - more drilldown is harder than I want it to be and what would we discuss that hasn't already been said in this thread or others like it.

There is no such thing as confidentiality online.

[James Deuce]

Does NZ motorcycle `journalism', as a whole, represent the worst writing ever put to print? Why is it that after reading a Kiwi Rider magazine my sum total knowledge of motorcycling is somehow diminished?
Can I borrow that? That's gold!

[carver]

Not the content - I think KB is already too pidgeon holed.

I only visit 3 sections regularly - more drilldown is harder than I want it to be and what would we discuss that hasn't already been said in this thread or others like it.

There is no such thing as confidentiality online.

yeah, i know.
we should so a joint video review of a GN 125

[Big Dave]

yeah, i know.
we should so a joint video review of a GN 125

Could have done a comparo - I rode a RS125 Aprilia today. That is quite good fun little bike. A sight gag as funny as some of your comedy work with me on it too.

[carver]

Could have done a comparo - I rode a RS125 Aprilia today. That is quite good fun little bike. A sight gag as funny as some of your comedy work with me on it too.

there ya go, and i hear tony veitch is still out of work, maybe invite him too?

[Hitcher]

Could have done a comparo - I rode a RS125 Aprilia today. That is quite good fun little bike. A sight gag as funny as some of your comedy work with me on it too.

Like a Doberman humping a chihuahua?

[Big Dave]

Like a Doberman humping a chihuahua?


<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.Pictures/misc4/MonkeySplash2.jpg">

[Armitage Shanks]

yeah, i know.
we should so a joint video review of a GN 125

The worst mag is the Australian 'Two Wheels ' shallow and overopinionated. Kiwi Rider used to be a good mag till they started getting all big and shiny, thats when my 20 year every month purchase ended and I've stopped buying them fullstop. :argh:

[carver]

The worst mag is the Australian 'Two Wheels ' shallow and overopinionated. Kiwi Rider used to be a good mag till they started getting all big and shiny, thats when my 20 year every month purchase ended and I've stopped buying them fullstop. :argh:

mormon media may be your channel then

[Big Dave]

mormon media may be your channel then


Hallelujah! The Reverend Carver speaking to you from the Pulpit of Irresponsibility!

[carver]

Hallelujah! The Reverend Carver speaking to you from the Pulpit of Irresponsibility!

believe n00bs, and give me 10%

[Beemer]

And was reading with glee the snippet about the S1000RR on page 10-11 and the end of the story has been left out!! And amongst other errors did you know that changes have been made to the CBR to broaden torque between 8000 and 120,000 RPM. Man the new honda revs!! Lots of mistakes creeping in again guys. Standards are slipping.......

My other half comments on this every time he reads the magazine! He gets really annoyed with their "habit" of putting quote marks around "words" that don't really "need them", and their spelling is pretty appalling too. So often the wrong words are used too - they may be real words, but it's the wrong word for the meaning they want to convey. He's given up buying them, he just reads his boss' copy!

[Big Dave]

I 'mostly' use them for 'emphasis'. Of course there are other ways to do it, but they don't 'fit' within the house STYLE. And I 'personally' eschew obfuscation and avoid Malaprop if possible.

[Oscar]

Tough crowd...:weep:

[AllanB]

Good mag.

My pet bitch about most magazines lately is the photography.

When reviewing a bike I'd like to see a mint set of images of the bike from side on (both) plus front & rear. Then you can do your arty images of the dirty underside of a well thrashed jurno bike mid corner/wheelie.

[Big Dave]

When reviewing a bike I'd like to see a mint set of images of the bike from side on (both) plus front & rear. Then you can do your arty images of the dirty underside of a well thrashed jurno bike mid corner/wheelie.

I agree. I'm also glad I don't sit in the editor's hot seat trying to find the right compromises every time.

Beauty of doing the web is I can just include all of them.

The plan is to have stuff like the full photo sets and press kits available to subscribers online - eventually

[Taz]

I agree with you Allanb. In a recent test all the photos were of the righthand side of the bike as it went around corners......

[Big Dave]

righthand side of the bike as it went around corners......

Some of that has to do with Pukekohe Park's layout I reckon. Hampton will have other way corners.

[Taz]

The plan is to have stuff like the full photo sets and press kits available to subscribers online - eventually

Cool won't have to buy the mag then.

[Big Dave]

Cool won't have to buy the mag then.

But you will have to subscribe to pass the encryption currently being modeled on my thought process.

The 7 monkeys are on Smoko.

[Taz]

Some of that has to do with Pukekohe Park's layout I reckon. Hampton will have other way corners.

Pics were taken on the street...... Bikes I'm interested in would be out of place at pukekohe......

[Taz]

But you will have to subscribe to pass the encryption.


Pay for what can be found on the net already for free??

[Big Dave]

Pay for what can be found on the net already for free??

nah - to have the option of taking the paid-for content on paper or pixels - and to extend the amount of content offered to subscribers.

I just flicked through July Road. I think picture selection is pretty good. I'd like them bigger. And the Photo credits in 16 point.

[SARGE]

im happy to give KR my money every few months or so..


anyone know where i can get a handfull of the new stickers for the toolbox?

already have one on the truck

[Big Dave]

3 kind - no waiting. You are familiar with the 20.

You set 'em up - I'll knock 'em over.

[merv]

How does a loyal subscriber get one of those free caps?

Got plenty of the stickers already.

[Big Dave]

How does a loyal subscriber get one of those free caps?

Got plenty of the stickers already.


I bought that one myself.

See what we can do for you though. Might have to trade you for a ride report?