Honda CRF150R

[Midget200]

Can anyone tell me the positives and negatives of a CRF150R? My 250X is just too heavy. This one is only 80ks as opposed to 115ks. I'm worried about the smaller wheels on the woops. Help???

[courts]

Reckon thats a good choice, if i had my time again that what i would have got my mrs .
Not sluggish farm like 150f but still nice and light and preety quick I think, never ridden one tho.
How bout a 125 with flywheel weight? 90 odd kilos. and quick. the weight would help with trails.

[oldguy]

being a 4stroke MX bike regular maintenance is the most important, but should be sweet you will deferentially notice the power delivery over the 250X go girl.

[SpikedPunch]

I'd love to have a go if you get one! :ride:
150r was one the choices I was looking at after the dr-z. They seem pretty cool, but also seem to have had quite a few probs with bits breaking on the 07 (I think?) ones.

[Midget200]

being a 4stroke MX bike regular maintenance is the most important, but should be sweet you will deferentially notice the power delivery over the 250X go girl.

Thanks for that. Can you explain about the power delivery? I won't notice the lack of power then over the 250X? Escuse my ignorance, only been riding 16 months and get all confused with power! Don't want to make a mistake and buy the wrong bike! I just can't pick up the 250X. I've been told it's a bit of an 'orphan' whatever that means!

Of course you can have a ride Spiked Punch. I need to organise a ride on one, but I don't know whether Honda are that keen to let them be taken out on a test drive. Might ask them.

[L Rider]

Can anyone tell me the positives and negatives of a CRF150R? My 250X is just too heavy. This one is only 80ks as opposed to 150ks. I'm worried about the smaller wheels on the woops. Help???

Are you set on getting a 4 stroke? Or would you consider a 2 stroke?

[barty5]

Thanks for that. Can you explain about the power delivery? I won't notice the lack of power then over the 250X? Escuse my ignorance, only been riding 16 months and get all confused with power! Don't want to make a mistake and buy the wrong bike! I just can't pick up the 250X. I've been told it's a bit of an 'orphan' whatever that means!

Of course you can have a ride Spiked Punch. I need to organise a ride on one, but I don't know whether Honda are that keen to let them be taken out on a test drive. Might ask them.

if they want to sell one the would.
use to be a small track that ran behind th ebike shops down barrys point road they use to let you test ride bikes on dont know if its still there or not.

[Danger]

Don't go backwards, go forwards.
Do you know Caryn Henderson? Perhaps you should try to score a ride on her lowered KTM125 EXC. She loves it, its a ton lighter than your $ stroke and you won't be taking a step backwards power wise, light two strokes rule in the sands and twisty trails of Woodhill forest and a big wheel will roll over the terrain much more effectively than a small wheel. I can't think of a better bike for your situation. Think we might have had this conversation before though before you bought that top heavy monster?

[L Rider]

if they want to sell one the would.
use to be a small track that ran behind th ebike shops down barrys point road they use to let you test ride bikes on dont know if its still there or not.

Its a road through there now

[honda_power]

those 150's are very unreliable. Something about the crank in them i think... they blow a lot. The 07's were also recalled due to a weak weld on the swingarm which snaps and ends up with big trouble, so if you do end up looking for one and its an 07 make sure the swingarm has been replaced

[Reckless]

I wouldn't recommend a 125 for the trails for you even with a fly wheel weight they are hard work to keep in the rev zone and I think it will take some of the fun away. Just my 2c.

150Kg's for a 250X that sounds heavy??

Unfortunatly your finding a big big hole in the market like every other lady, teenager, learner, shorter bloke etc etc.

You might like to look at the Ktm200exc, 125 size frame, 2 stroke maintanance, adjustable power valve (so you can make the power how you want), exc torque (Low down power) is better than any other 2 stroke in the trails and forests. I only suggest the 200exc as your coming off a 250x.

Here went to the Honda site for you.
CRF250x 114Kg seat height 958mm
Crf150R 84.4kg seat height 866mm
09 Ktm 125 exc 97kg seat height 985mm
08 Ktm200exc 97Kg seat height 925mm

Ktm do have a 105cc and a 150cc but they are new?

I've not riden a 150R but after your 250 you will notice reduced power but that can be a good thing sometimes. You might find going to a smaller slightly less powerfiul bike (the 150R) benifits your ridng more than anything, don't get hung up with big numbers on the side of the bike it means nothing!
If your riding the 250x ok you should find the seat heights on the others ok, although SDG do a stepped seat or you can cut and recover the one on the bike.
Just a few suggestions up to you good luck, but go ride them first!

[Reckless]

those 150's are very unreliable. Something about the crank in them i think... they blow a lot. The 07's were also recalled due to a weak weld on the swingarm which snaps and ends up with big trouble, so if you do end up looking for one and its an 07 make sure the swingarm has been replaced

Shit that don't sound to good!

[barty5]

I wouldn't recommend a 125 for the trails for you even with a fly wheel weight they are hard work to keep in the rev zone and I think it will take some of the fun away. Just my 2c.

150Kg's for a 250X that sounds heavy??

Unfortunatly your finding a big big hole in the market like every other lady, teenager, learner, shorter bloke etc etc.

You might like to look at the Ktm200exc, 125 size frame, 2 stroke maintanance, adjustable power valve (so you can make the power how you want), exc torque (Low down power) is better than any other 2 stroke in the trails and forests. I only suggest the 200exc as your coming off a 250x.

Here went to the Honda site for you.
CRF250x 114Kg seat height 958mm
Crf150R 84.4kg seat height 866mm
08 Ktm200exc 97Kg seat height 925mm

Ktm do have a 105cc and a 150cc but they are new?

I've not riden a 150R but after your 250 you will notice reduced power but that can be a good thing sometimes. You might find going to a smaller slightly less powerfiul bike (the 150R) benifits your ridng more than anything, don't get hung up with big numbers on the side of the bike it means nothing!
If your riding the 250x ok you should find the seat heights on the others ok, although SDG do a stepped seat or you can cut and recover the one on the bike.
Just a few suggestions up to you good luck, but go ride them first!

how much power can youloose i rode a crf250x a while back on the mr motorcycles rides dude couldnt get it up a hill. But if the 150 has much less than that thing you would be better off with a push bike. proberly didnt help id just trashed mine up the same hill but still.
Same gose for the 125 rode mine over the weekend !st time we had it out and hey its up for sale lack of power for me nice and quick but as other have said you have to ride them hard to get that out of them.

[B0000M]

my mrs had the same issue, she now has a cr85,

though she hasnt ridden anywhere serious yet as shes now up the duff. jammed a flywheel weight on it and she loves it. so light.

im not sure how she will go on steep steep stuff, but should be fine. will definately be fine around auckland as all the trails are so flat

[barty5]

my mrs had the same issue, she now has a cr85,

though she hasnt ridden anywhere serious yet as shes now up the duff. jammed a flywheel weight on it and she loves it. so light.

im not sure how she will go on steep steep stuff, but should be fine. will definately be fine around auckland as all the trails are so flat


She been out on cheeses xr100??

[Danger]

I wouldn't recommend a 125 for the trails for you even with a fly wheel weight they are hard work to keep in the rev zone and I think it will take some of the fun away. Just my 2c.


Ktm do have a 105cc and a 150cc but they are new?



Theres that Rick guy giving out Reckless advice again.

Do not lump the KTM125EXC in with any 125MX bikes you have ridden, they are not MX bikes with only top end power delivery and a MX gear box. They are made for trails with the power and wide ratio box to suit.
Take the fun away? A 125EXC will add heaps to the fun after lugging that diesel pig around for the past year, you should know that Reckless.

The 105cc and 150cc bikes have been around awhile (the 150 was previously called a SX144 which it still is, just renamed and a wicked bike which I would like next) but these are MX bikes, not wide ratio and I would not recommend these. Big difference and I did not recommend a MX bike.

Just try one if you can before you judge, Caryn's is lowered, I lowered the suspension and the seat has been shaved, she has short legs, she is a novice rider, she used to have a KTM200EXC, the 125EXC suits her better and she rides all over the North Island, not many rides she is not at.

[Midget200]

Thanks for all the information. I've printed it all out. Yeah I've seen Caryn out there on a Wednesday. Mind you she looks about 5'6" at least, maybe taller! I'm only 5 foot and half an inch! I've had the big beast severely lowered! I went for the electric start, which is great, but man picking it up all the time is a mission. Yeah misprint, bad typing, thought I'd written it's 115 kilos!

[Danger]

Yeah I know you are shorter, she is 5'6" but she has short legs, but you can only try it I guess. And I'm sure you told me you were 5'1", you getting shorter with age?
It is tricky being a Midget. While not recommended one could be made even lower, hers is optimum and the max I like to go without good cause to go lower, but it could be done, revalving would need to be looked at due to the secondary piston kicking into soon on the shock but at least you won't be pulling a michellin out of your booty anytime!

[crfchick]

It's a tricky one isnt it? I find my bike a heavy beast at times (well most of the time!!), especially when I get tired and then crash off on a hill and have to get it upright and going again, sometimes I just cant even move it!
I'm really interested in what you guys have to suggest for us! Are you keen on 2 strokes though midget? They scare me!!

[Danger]

A lot of people are scared and intimidated by the two stroke power (see the popular rise in $ strokes and the glut of new riders in recent years) the trick is to get a bike and tune it so that you control the power. Not all two strokes are the same. A mellow $ stroke is a good start for most but the step up to two stroke is not that great once you've been lugging a heavy diesel around for awhile.

[honda_power]

once you get used to the 2 stroke power hit you forget about it, it just becomes normal. No reason to be scared of them. You quickly learn to use the 2 stroke power to your advantage as well.

People make out that 'powerband' is really crazy and extreme. Thats total crap. Its not going to flip you like people make out.

10 y-o kids hold on to 85s. Im sure you would be fine. Hell, im sure you would be sweet on a lowered, seat cut 125. I was on one at 14, and i was a weedy little shit.

[L Rider]

Everyone has difference preferences for bikes. At end of the day best option would be to try a few then see which you feel more comfortable on.
My bike (CR80) is the 1st bike i've ever ridden. So totally learnt on it. I never had a problem with the power. i do know when we were looking we got mixed opinions on a 2t for a learner. Learn throttle control & life is alot easier.
Main reason i went for a 2t was for the weight. I didn't want some heavy bike that i struggled to pick up.

[L Rider]

once you get used to the 2 stroke power hit you forget about it, it just becomes normal. No reason to be scared of them. You quickly learn to use the 2 stroke power to your advantage as well.

People make out that 'powerband' is really crazy and extreme. Thats total crap. Its not going to flip you like people make out.

10 y-o kids hold on to 85s. Im sure you would be fine. Hell, im sure you would be sweet on a lowered, seat cut 125. I was on one at 14, and i was a weedy little shit.

totally agree with ya - although i don't know how weedy you were lol:wari:
I figured if kids could ride a 85 2t then so could i. I actually brought my off a 15yr old.

[Midget200]

Yeah I know you are shorter, she is 5'6" but she has short legs, but you can only try it I guess. And I'm sure you told me you were 5'1", you getting shorter with age?
It is tricky being a Midget. While not recommended one could be made even lower, hers is optimum and the max I like to go without good cause to go lower, but it could be done, revalving would need to be looked at due to the secondary piston kicking into soon on the shock but at least you won't be pulling a michellin out of your booty anytime!

Cheeky buggar Danger! Well to my disgust someone measured me and with age I have decreased 1/2 an inch, boohoo! Maybe I've lied all my life! I'm pretty keen to see Caryn and have a look at the KTM125exc. Sounds like it's got all the good points of both 2 and 4 stroke in a 2 stroke! Yeah I'm a bit scared of the 2 strokes. Have ridden an 80 and an 85 and found the power band odd! Mind you, like people say you'd get use to it!! Don't want to make another mistake! Don't like riding other people's bikes, which makes it hard!

Thanks everyone for the information, it's great!!

[SpikedPunch]

totally agree with ya - although i don't know how weedy you were lol:wari:
I figured if kids could ride a 85 2t then so could i. I actually brought my off a 15yr old.
Same here! Even the getting it off a 15 year old part ;) I love my anorexic little bike. Something like 70kg dry, it's a fricking breeze. Gets around alright too, the shortcomings I have on it are more rider-induced than anything. Big wheels do make life a lot easier though, that's my only real complaint.
Midge, try my 100 some day, it's apparently a bit smoother than an 85. Still got a nice kick tho :banana:

[L Rider]

Same here! Even the getting it off a 15 year old part ;) I love my anorexic little bike. Something like 70kg dry, it's a fricking breeze. Gets around alright too, the shortcomings I have on it are more rider-induced than anything. Big wheels do make life a lot easier though, that's my only real complaint.
Midge, try my 100 some day, it's apparently a bit smoother than an 85. Still got a nice kick tho :banana:

Gearing makes a huge difference too. SIL got a RM80 which had high gearer - it wasn't nice so we toned it down a bit with lower gearing.
She's now got same as me CR80 - her gearing is standard & has alot more lower end than mine. I find hers tame in comparison to mine but i love that powerband kick on mine.

[clmintie]

Don't go backwards, go forwards.
Do you know Caryn Henderson? Perhaps you should try to score a ride on her lowered KTM125 EXC. She loves it, its a ton lighter than your $ stroke and you won't be taking a step backwards power wise, light two strokes rule in the sands and twisty trails of Woodhill forest and a big wheel will roll over the terrain much more effectively than a small wheel. I can't think of a better bike for your situation. Think we might have had this conversation before though before you bought that top heavy monster?

Is this Caryn? I saw her and her family riding a while back and I was most impressed with the "ridability" of her 125, seemed to tractor really well and no shortage of get up and go. Haven't ridden one, but if MrMotorcycles sold them we might have one by now.. ( only joking, can't afford orange.....)

[Reckless]

Theres that Rick guy giving out Reckless advice again.

:bye: Don't see what was so reckless about it? I missed the 125exc you filled it in nicely so Midget has all the options now :blink:
I think I need a :hug: now LOL!!! :nya:

[Midget200]

Is this Caryn? I saw her and her family riding a while back and I was most impressed with the "ridability" of her 125, seemed to tractor really well and no shortage of get up and go. Haven't ridden one, but if MrMotorcycles sold them we might have one by now.. ( only joking, can't afford orange.....)

Oops I had the wrong Karen. There's 2 Karen's with KTM's! You're right Clmintie, now I remember seeing her at lots of the rides! Must talk to her next time. Yeah that would be good to have a ride of your bike Spiked Punch! The little wheels, people have all sorts of views on those! I found trouble with the KLX140, but then it didn't have much power either! I was told by a guy at Honda yesterday that it's my riding, not the wheels!!!!!

[takitimu]

Unfortunatly your finding a big big hole in the market like every other lady, teenager, learner, shorter bloke etc etc.


Surely someone with Chinese connections can get a decent one of these made, you'd have to think it's a ready made market, it's a pretty decent sized hole in existing lineups.

I've never ridden a CR150F, but been passed by one before today, those little things are not slugs, our local MX track has some decent sized whoops, not to mention saw dust pit & the CR150's seem to handle it ok.

[SpikedPunch]

Is this Caryn? I saw her and her family riding a while back and I was most impressed with the "ridability" of her 125, seemed to tractor really well and no shortage of get up and go. Haven't ridden one, but if MrMotorcycles sold them we might have one by now.. ( only joking, can't afford orange.....)
Oh, I know that Karen! There are two karens on ktms with pink helmets I think, gets confusing. She's fairly tall tho? (could have been in heels whenever I've met her tho :p)

[L Rider]

I was told by a guy at Honda yesterday that it's my riding, not the wheels!!!!!

:lol: not the wheels - anything to sell a bike. Jst remember you're spending the money & riding it, many dealers would happily take the money regardless of whether its right for you or not.

[barty5]

Oh, I know that Karen! There are two karens on ktms with pink helmets I think, gets confusing. She's fairly tall tho? (could have been in heels whenever I've met her tho :p)

Nah its just cause your so short make her look taller haahaha

[clmintie]

Oops I had the wrong Karen. There's 2 Karen's with KTM's! You're right Clmintie, now I remember seeing her at lots of the rides! Must talk to her next time. Yeah that would be good to have a ride of your bike Spiked Punch! The little wheels, people have all sorts of views on those! I found trouble with the KLX140, but then it didn't have much power either! I was told by a guy at Honda yesterday that it's my riding, not the wheels!!!!!

Re "little wheels".... Courtney Duncan... Hmmm, let me see...rides an 85, about your height (13yrs old), mind bogglingly fast on any track surface including Taupo's sand and sawdust...Hmmmm, I don't think the size of the wheels matters too much and can be ruled out of the equation.....

If you would like a refresher on a KX85, I've got the Wednesdays of the next school holidays off work for trips to the Sandpit so my girls can join in with the Wednesdays Off, Sand Pit Sallys (or WOSPs ..Hehehehe)

[clmintie]

Just as a further thought....

I've been sitting here (home with flu... ) casting my few remaining brain cells back over the trail rides we've done and can honestly say I can't remember having to help ladies on 85s any where near as often as the ones on 'full size' bikes that their husbands/boyfriends think they 'should' be riding, actually the same goes for juniors going up to 125/250fs too soon. Case in point.. Grace can hoon around quite happily on the 125 and can pick it up on her own, but she needs to pick it up much more often than the 85, which she's just as quick on, she reckons the 85 big wheel is much more nimble around the sandpit and only looses out on the long fast woops, but not by much........ Hmmmm...

Sneeze/cough/hack/groan/oink.............

[Reckless]

Talk about good little buggers!
Never forget this one that was out at Kimi's on our KB get together at Xmas 2007. I was told who he was but I've forgoten

Shit this little guy could jump and ride!!!! Not one of us KBers could match him! (even the good riders)! Freaken Awesome he was on that little Kwaka!

[Reckless]

Just as a further thought....

I've been sitting here (home with flu... ) casting my few remaining brain cells back over the trail rides we've done and can honestly say I can't remember having to help ladies on 85s any where near as often as the ones on 'full size' bikes that their husbands/boyfriends think they 'should' be riding, actually the same goes for juniors going up to 125/250fs too soon. Case in point.. Grace can hoon around quite happily on the 125 and can pick it up on her own, but she needs to pick it up much more often than the 85, which she's just as quick on, she reckons the 85 big wheel is much more nimble around the sandpit and only looses out on the long fast woops, but not by much........ Hmmmm...

Sneeze/cough/hack/groan/oink.............

100% agree!! never buy a bike that they/you will GROW into! Waiste of time!!!

[barty5]

Talk about good little buggers!
Never forget this one that was out at Kimi's on our KB get together at Xmas 2007. I was told who he was but I've forgoten

Shit this little guy could jump and ride!!!! Not one of us KBers could match him! (even the good riders)! Freaken Awesome he was on that little Kwaka!

yeh remember that kid going round though i was doin well on the 450 till he flew past going into a corner :bye:

[Midget200]

Re "little wheels".... Courtney Duncan... Hmmm, let me see...rides an 85, about your height (13yrs old), mind bogglingly fast on any track surface including Taupo's sand and sawdust...Hmmmm, I don't think the size of the wheels matters too much and can be ruled out of the equation.....

If you would like a refresher on a KX85, I've got the Wednesdays of the next school holidays off work for trips to the Sandpit so my girls can join in with the Wednesdays Off, Sand Pit Sallys (or WASPs ..Hehehehe)

Yeah right, Sandpit Sally's, mmm! I guess Sandpit Sex Kittens might be pushing it! Thanks for the offer of the 85, might take you up on that! Not putting too fine a point on it, but those little bikes don't like too much weight on them!

[Reckless]

Not putting too fine a point on it, but those little bikes don't like too much weight on them!

Your not fat from what I've seen LOL!!

You know what they say though "Bigger the bum Better the fun" LOL!!!

or is that to rude!!!

[clmintie]

Yeah right, Sandpit Sally's, mmm! I guess Sandpit Sex Kittens might be pushing it! Thanks for the offer of the 85, might take you up on that! Not putting too fine a point on it, but those little bikes don't like too much weight on them!

Danger (and Jenny Graig) can fix that problem ( I'd try Danger 1st tho... :cool: )

I also think you'll be surprised how good the Kawazuki 100 is.......

Sandpit Sex Kittens eh.... Hey Tony, with advertising like this, you may need more parking space mid week......

[scott411]

85's or the 150R's will handle the weight, a few years ago one of the clubs ran a senior 85cc race, a heap of us got on them and they handled it ok, i even took a kids one out at ardmore and passes a heap of people on it,

[random rider]

I had the 2t RM80 - and the power band was a little random but then changed to the CR80 and love it. You do get used the "hit" of the PB and as L rider said it is nice and addictive after a while:blink:

I am not much taller than you and I find that due to my lack of skill or just stupid riding skills having a lighter bike is so much nicer - and easier to pick up off your body!

I am all for th 2t - just need to get used to it.....and that doesn't take long

[Danger]

Don't let all this talk about the "hit" put you off Midget. A properly tuned 125EXC should not have a so called "hit" but should have smooth acceleration from bottom to top. The power will be smoother than an 80, many 80's focus their power further up the rev range and they don't have the CC to provide the low down power (and a short shifting gearbox). Many 2 strokes that have a "hit" simply are not jetted correctly, usually rich down low and lean up top and you will feel a hit when they finish struggling through a poorly tuned bottom end and then clear out through the mid range, but they don't have to run like this.
As I said before, you should control the bike rather than the bikes "hit" controlling you. That way you will be more confident and able to ride faster.
Proof is in a test ride though I guess, but it sounds like any bike is going to be a compromise somewhere for you. Perhaps you should ride a quad?:sick:

[Danger]

Is this Caryn? I saw her and her family riding a while back and I was most impressed with the "ridability" of her 125, seemed to tractor really well and no shortage of get up and go. Haven't ridden one, but if MrMotorcycles sold them we might have one by now.. ( only joking, can't afford orange.....)

Yeah that looks like her clmintie.

[clmintie]

On another side note.... It's so cool when your "baby daughter" comes in to the pits from a race and says "Hey Dad, I think I need two more compression clicks on the rear shock, I think it's a bit soft" Dad dutifully complies.. Said daughter returns from next race and says much better.... So cool, she's starting to think about how the bike is reacting, not just hanging on for dear life.......(which is what she does on the bigger bike.....)

[Midget200]

Your not fat from what I've seen LOL!!

You know what they say though "Bigger the bum Better the fun" LOL!!!

or is that to rude!!!

Reckless you big charmer you! I will remember that quote, maybe I'll write it in my profile, bigger the bum, better the fun! Not too rude at all!!!!

Well from all of this I'm pretty keen on looking at the KTM125 EXC. Sounds very cool!

[Midget200]

Don't let all this talk about the "hit" put you off Midget. A properly tuned 125EXC should not have a so called "hit" but should have smooth acceleration from bottom to top. The power will be smoother than an 80, many 80's focus their power further up the rev range and they don't have the CC to provide the low down power (and a short shifting gearbox). Many 2 strokes that have a "hit" simply are not jetted correctly, usually rich down low and lean up top and you will feel a hit when they finish struggling through a poorly tuned bottom end and then clear out through the mid range, but they don't have to run like this.
As I said before, you should control the bike rather than the bikes "hit" controlling you. That way you will be more confident and able to ride faster.
Proof is in a test ride though I guess, but it sounds like any bike is going to be a compromise somewhere for you. Perhaps you should ride a quad?:sick:

Don't even mention a quad! Can't believe you said that! I will find the bike that's the least amount of compromise. Have heard a KTM125 EXC is coming up for sale. I will be test riding that for sure! Must get onto Trade Me and have a look! Ta for all comments!!!

[noobi]

i have the gasgas equivalent to the ktm125exc.
anytime were at the same ride, you can have a blat on that if you want midget. im not expesially tall. maybe 5' 1''ish? and i can put both feet on the ground, only 100kgs with fuel.
but the gasgas 2 strokes are renowned for being much less aggressive than the ktm btw. told that by a ktm dealer

[king]

my not 5 foot mrs has had every 80 85 except ktm kx and has had a crf250x now owns a 07 crf150r. not much slower than a 250x same type of power bit snappier 1/2 the weight and she loves it as for being unreliable thats bullshit.

[Reckless]

oh by the way was just down at Triple X picking up a new piston for the 200 and Steve said Ktm NZ where not importing the 125exc last year but he bought 5 in and sold them real quick. So there may not be to many around 2nd hand. He's got a brand spanker in the shop now I had a sit on it! Feels like a real bike! I could sit with both feet flat on the ground with my fat arse on it but it still might need some massaging for the shorter rider. Specially if your tryin to throw your leg over it on a slope. My daughter fits her CRF150F great, seat height 826mm but the seat height on the 125exc is 985mm still might be a bit tall to fit the bill for most ladies and learners?? Pretty sure my 14 year old and 17 year old daughter wouldn't fit? So same weight as the 200exc at 97kg but 60mm taller. Be nice to have a ride and see if its as torqey as the 200? I'm not going to express an opinion I've already been told off!! LOL!!! If they bought out one with a say 850 - 870 seat heght it would steal the market I reckon!

Not sure if they can be lowered that much -Danger???

[SpikedPunch]

Yeah right, Sandpit Sally's, mmm! I guess Sandpit Sex Kittens might be pushing it! Thanks for the offer of the 85, might take you up on that! Not putting too fine a point on it, but those little bikes don't like too much weight on them!

Oh are these suggestions for the woodhill wimmens gang name? I was thinking of 'The fanny pack' :laugh:

[Danger]

oh by the way was just down at Triple X picking up a new piston for the 200 and Steve said Ktm NZ where not importing the 125exc last year but he bought 5 in and sold them real quick.

Yes they will bring them in for you.


So there may not be to many around 2nd hand.

I might know of one.


He's got a brand spanker in the shop now I had a sit on it! Feels like a real bike!

It is a real bike lol!


Be nice to have a ride and see if its as torqey as the 200?

No way will it be as torquey as the 200.


So same weight as the 200exc at 97kg but 60mm taller.

Not sure where you got your figures from and why you think the 125 is 60mm taller than the 200. I think you need your eyes seen too.



Not sure if they can be lowered that much -Danger???

Isn't that what we have been talking about? :doh:

[Reckless]

Not sure where you got your figures from and why you think the 125 is 60mm taller than the 200. I think you need your eyes seen too.

My figures came straight off the ktm NZ website
Here http://www.ktm.co.nz/bike.php?bike=89
and here http://www.ktm.co.nz/bike.php?bike=88 Click on "show Specifications"

My eyes are fine!!!! and so is the seat of my pants when I sat on it! It felt taller compared to my 200!


Isn't that what we have been talking about? :doh:

yes it is but the question was can it be lowered a full 100+mm from 985mm to say 850-870mm.
asked here

If they bought out one with a say 850 - 870 seat height it would steal the market I reckon!

Not sure if they can be lowered that much -Danger???

It doesn't have a linkage to extend so it was a genuine question??
Can a KTM 125exc at 985mm seat height be lowered to fit someone shopping for a KX85 or CRF150R which are both around the 860-870 mark?

[noobi]

My eyes are fine!!!! and so is the seat of my pants when I sat on it! It felt taller compared to my 200!




but if they have the same chassis how can they be 80mm different in hight?

btw
bikez lists them both at 985mm
200 http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ktm_200_exc_2009.php
125 http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ktm_125_exc_2009.php

[Reckless]

Dunno Noobi you choose Ktm or Bikez?? The 125exc Felt taller to me???

My user manual I have open in front of me definatly says 925mm.

I'd go with the official Ktm site and specs if I had to choose!

But when I get the wheels back on mine in a few hours I'll get the tape out and post

[Danger]

Yeah don't trust the specs.

I would not advise lowering any bike 100mm, its just about trying to limit the compromises. Often once we have a rider on board they are surprised how a little makes a big difference. But being only slightly taller than a Hobbit does bring up some more difficulty's in getting it all to work good with a minimum amount of compromise. The fact it has no linkage makes it a better candidate for lowering rather than pulling a linkage into a stiffer part of the progression or using one of those dangerous (no relation) lowering links. And in the KTM's a shorter fork spring would be needed in Midgets case as well. So its an added cost regardless and needs to be factored into the cost and the budget. The cheaper option would be an 80cc no doubt but is that the compromise that Midget wishes to make? More than likely the big bummed one would need heavier springs for the 80cc anyway. Thats why I suggest she try Caryn's bike before deciding for herself which path to take, seeing if Caryn's bike is close enough or if it needs more. I have no idea what sort of budget she is on. For some this is a factor, for others it is not.

[noobi]

Dunno Noobi you choose Ktm or Bikez?? The 125exc Felt taller to me???

My user manual I have open in front of me definatly says 925mm.

I'd go with the official Ktm site and specs if I had to choose!

But when I get the wheels back on mine in a few hours I'll get the tape out and post

well fair enough, im not argueing, just showing what the bike encyclopedia states
but then again it also states that the 08 200 and 125 are both 960mm http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ktm_200_exc_2008.php
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/ktm_125_exc_2008.php
and your 08? manual says 925mm
ill sit on the 125exc when i go to triplex tomorrow, and see if it feels much taller than my 945mm gasgas

[Ktmboy]

Midge would suit a 125 exc. Trouble is its not a cheap option so you really have to nick Karens one for a ride.It probably doesn't get into the power band too often so thats a good reflection of how easy it is too ride.

Me, I'd be waiting to see what models come out 2010. Who knows there may be a surprise(this is not a heads up).

[honda_power]

the 125 will be discontinued and will be a 150exc

85 is also dead and will be a 105

[clmintie]

Does anyone else on here think the bikes are getting too powerful for the riders?
The Kx85 has all the power a kid needs, why go to 105cc? The same with 125s going to 150, what possible benefit comes from such a move? Bloody 4 strokes and their huge capacities to make them competitive, makes more sense to bring the 4's back to 200 and 350 cc, the world's going mad.....Soon no-one will be able to hang on unless they're built like a brick out house.......

[Ktmboy]

Does anyone else on here think the bikes are getting too powerful for the riders?
The Kx85 has all the power a kid needs, why go to 105cc? The same with 125s going to 150, what possible benefit comes from such a move? Bloody 4 strokes and their huge capacities to make them competitive, makes more sense to bring the 4's back to 200 and 350 cc, the world's going mad.....Soon no-one will be able to hang on unless they're built like a brick out house.......

Well you know I agree. I'm a firm believer that you have to totally dominate a bike before moving up in cc.

There is a reason and its to do with bike skills. Some say "well I started on a 450 4t and I ride ok" but in reality if they had stayed on the 125 2t for longer and totallly monstered it then they would be far better off.

I have a couple of towny mates that have big bore bikes and they have not gone forward in 3 years. I'm gunna set fire to the freakin things(no fire ban at present) soon so the can get back and start again.

Hence Midget, try going back to move forward. You could actually like it.

Gotta learn to ride on an old bike ya (old dutch saying)

[Buddy L]

[QUOTE=clmintie;1129268004]Does anyone else on here think the bikes are getting too powerful for the riders?
Bloody 4 strokes and their huge capacities to make them competitive, makes more sense to bring the 4's back to 200 and 350 ccQUOTE]

Didn't this year and last year, they let the vastly more powerfull 250 2strokes in the same class as the under powered 250 4stroke for MX. and the 4 stroke sill cleaned up.:shifty: just stiring the spoon

[SpikedPunch]

I think a lot of short riders/girlies can feel a bit like they're being shortchanged/disadvantaged against their taller counterparts on the smaller CC bikes. Of course it's the rider not the bike, but noone wants to feel like they're stuck with the 'little kids bike'.
(In saying that, I love my little kid bike. It's so much fun - Fun being the point I guess?!)

[krad_nz]

I've seen numerous kids on 85cc 2-strokes completely own people on far larger bikes. (including me) Definitely comes down to rider talent.

[Reckless]

Does anyone else on here think the bikes are getting too powerful for the riders?
The Kx85 has all the power a kid needs, why go to 105cc? The same with 125s going to 150, what possible benefit comes from such a move? Bloody 4 strokes and their huge capacities to make them competitive, makes more sense to bring the 4's back to 200 and 350 cc, the world's going mad.....Soon no-one will be able to hang on unless they're built like a brick out house.......

Yeh I agree Climintie but in Ktm's case and with the exc range they quite often use the extra CC's for more torque rather than high revving power so don't be fooled with that one. You might find the 150 more ridable than the 125 depends what they do with it. Same with the 85-105 if they are exc's. But in saying that read below as well.


Well you know I agree. I'm a firm believer that you have to totally dominate a bike before moving up in cc.

There is a reason and its to do with bike skills. Some say "well I started on a 450 4t and I ride ok" but in reality if they had stayed on the 125 2t for longer and totallly monstered it then they would be far better off.

Hence Midget, try going back to move forward. You could actually like it.

Gotta learn to ride on an old bike ya (old dutch saying)

I gotta say I couldn't agree more! Every word a gem KTM boy!!
My move from the Cr250 which at my level of riding just tried to pull my arms off everywhere to the Ktm200exc has helped me hugely as you stated above.

[Midget200]

Yeah don't trust the specs.

I would not advise lowering any bike 100mm, its just about trying to limit the compromises. Often once we have a rider on board they are surprised how a little makes a big difference. But being only slightly taller than a Hobbit does bring up some more difficulty's in getting it all to work good with a minimum amount of compromise. The fact it has no linkage makes it a better candidate for lowering rather than pulling a linkage into a stiffer part of the progression or using one of those dangerous (no relation) lowering links. And in the KTM's a shorter fork spring would be needed in Midgets case as well. So its an added cost regardless and needs to be factored into the cost and the budget. The cheaper option would be an 80cc no doubt but is that the compromise that Midget wishes to make? More than likely the big bummed one would need heavier springs for the 80cc anyway. Thats why I suggest she try Caryn's bike before deciding for herself which path to take, seeing if Caryn's bike is close enough or if it needs more. I have no idea what sort of budget she is on. For some this is a factor, for others it is not.

Hobbit, you cheeky bastard, big bummed hobbit! :shit::shit: I may jump off my balcony. I can't believe you said that! I know where there's a KTM200EXC and might go and have a sit and look at that, although I'm sticking with finding Caryn and sitting on hers! It seems the general consensus is the KTM125 EXC so I will look at costs! Yeah we'll see how far we can stretch the budget! I guess lowering could be at least another $1500 on top of the bike, or even more!

I agree with what KTM Boy said about going backwards before going forwards and it will make me a better rider, but I don't know if an 80 will do it! I will definitely try an 85 again!

[REDRIDER]

Hey midge.. any chance you might still grow into you CRF lol...

[Midget200]

Hey midge.. any chance you might still grow into you CRF lol...

Yeah you're a laugh a minute! I might just do that and surprise you all! WEll there was a young kid a couple of weeks ago that did say that. He said his parents told him he was going to grow into his bike and perhaps I'd be doing the same!

[Danger]

Hobbit, you cheeky bastard, big bummed hobbit! :shit::shit: I may jump off my balcony. I can't believe you said that!

My apologies but its not as bad as suggesting you should ride a homo chariot, I'll give myself 20 lashes with a knotted shoelace for that one and I'm glad you discounted that idea and in my defense I did say you were taller than a Hobbit and it was you and that trouble maker Reckless that were referring to your big bum. So please step away from the edge of the balcony because you might bounce and hurt yourself.

[oldguy]

my not 5 foot mrs has had every 80 85 except ktm kx and has had a crf250x now owns a 07 crf150r. not much slower than a 250x same type of power bit snappier 1/2 the weight and she loves it as for being unreliable thats bullshit.
if its only getting used on trail rides and out at the sandy pit, it will be fine for her, its how she rides, if she wanted to go racing I would definitely think about a 2t,

with this 2t v 4t have you ever thought about a Diesel powered bike?
haha (sorry just taking the piss)

Just one thing, what is wrong with the 250X have you out grown it, too big, too heavy, maybe try the 230 not sure if they are any lighter worth a look.

[Danger]

with this 2t v 4t have you ever thought about a Diesel powered bike?


$ strokes already run like diesels.

[clmintie]

[QUOTE=clmintie;1129268004]Does anyone else on here think the bikes are getting too powerful for the riders?
Bloody 4 strokes and their huge capacities to make them competitive, makes more sense to bring the 4's back to 200 and 350 cc QUOTE]

Didn't this year and last year, they let the vastly more powerful 250 2strokes in the same class as the under powered 250 4stroke for MX. and the 4 stroke sill cleaned up.:shifty: just stiring the spoon

You missed the point... By increasing the 2ts to match the more powerful 4ts (because a 250f was introduced as a 125 equivalent) they're in danger of making it much harder to get young riders into MX..... All they have done is move the big gap that was between 85 2t and 250 4t back down to between 65s and 105s. Another huge leap in performance to negotiate for the jnrs while the senior riders swoon all over outrageous hp and probably have slower lap times. I feel the 'problem' is being attacked at the wrong end, much simpler to reduce the capacity advantage of the 4ts.

None of this applies to trail riding at the Sandpit though.

[B0000M]

Didn't this year and last year, they let the vastly more powerfull 250 2strokes in the same class as the under powered 250 4stroke for MX. and the 4 stroke sill cleaned up.:shifty: just stiring the spoon

id say this comes down to rider ability.

as a guy who rides both, and granted im a heavy cunt, im significantly faster around a mx track on a 2stroke 250 than a 4 stroke 250.

that said, a 4 stroke 250 can be quite fun to ride on trails etc.


at the end of the day, if you're a shit rider, youll be shit on anything and of you're a good rider, youll be a good rider on anything, but if you're got a great rider and you want to improve, you want to feel like your bike isnt grunty enough. this will force you to extend yourself and ride faster.

a fast bike will not make you fast if you're not allready

[Reckless]

I agree with what KTM Boy said about going backwards before going forwards and it will make me a better rider, but I don't know if an 80 will do it! I will definitely try an 85 again!

If your out the sandpit one day and I'm there I don't mind you goin for a spin on my 200. Tryin to make it out tomorrow to run her in, if I can get time to put the radiators etc back on, engines done.

[clmintie]

Hey Midge, I had a look at the KTM125 today, very nice, very light but just as tall as the KX. They reckoned it could be lowed 100mm for $300..........

[Midget200]

Hey Midge, I had a look at the KTM125 today, very nice, very light but just as tall as the KX. They reckoned it could be lowed 100mm for $300..........

Yeah thanks for that! After talking to you guys out there in the weekend I'm sort of thinking they're going to be expensive to fix, to lower. I'm going with the KX85! Looking on Trade Me now! Thanks for your help. Geez hope I'm on subject here! Oh that's alright it's my post! Scary men, on topic, off topic:yawn:

[barty5]

Wont be long and we'll be able to have a KB 85-100 cc womens race series. Could be fun.

[L Rider]

Yeah thanks for that! After talking to you guys out there in the weekend I'm sort of thinking they're going to be expensive to fix, to lower. I'm going with the KX85! Looking on Trade Me now! Thanks for your help. Geez hope I'm on subject here! Oh that's alright it's my post! Scary men, on topic, off topic:yawn:

Cool glad you've got sorted what you're after:2thumbsup now the job of finding one suitable - normally they're miles away or overpriced or go bloody fast. All good though - i'm sure you'll soon have yourself a nice new bike to play on.

[telliman]

[QUOTE=Buddy L;1129268043]

You missed the point... By increasing the 2ts to match the more powerful 4ts (because a 250f was introduced as a 125 equivalent) they're in danger of making it much harder to get young riders into MX..... All they have done is move the big gap that was between 85 2t and 250 4t back down to between 65s and 105s. Another huge leap in performance to negotiate for the jnrs while the senior riders swoon all over outrageous hp and probably have slower lap times. I feel the 'problem' is being attacked at the wrong end, much simpler to reduce the capacity advantage of the 4ts.

None of this applies to trail riding at the Sandpit though.

yeah isnt that why there was talk of bringing the 450s back to 350s in the AMA cause only a few riders can actually ride them fast! or be competitive at least.
RV was putting out faster lap times on the 250f than bubba on the big bike! thats the best comparison of all,rv has nothing on bubba now on the same bikes!

[clmintie]

Yeah thanks for that! After talking to you guys out there in the weekend I'm sort of thinking they're going to be expensive to fix, to lower. I'm going with the KX85! Looking on Trade Me now! Thanks for your help. Geez hope I'm on subject here! Oh that's alright it's my post! Scary men, on topic, off topic:yawn:

If you can afford it, buy new......especially if you intend to keep it for a while.....For me it's worth it for the peace of mind.....

[courts]

If you can afford it, buy new......especially if you intend to keep it for a while.....For me it's worth it for the peace of mind.....

Yeah know what you mean- had an old kx250 that i bought cheap that had a lot of nasty surprises inside once i opened her up.
Its the peace of mind when servicing a new bike that no other bastard has had their paws on.

[cheese]

Yeah know what you mean- had an old kx250 that i bought cheap that had a lot of nasty surprises inside once i opened her up.
Its the peace of mind when servicing a new bike that no other bastard has had their paws on.

Come on mate, you had a 1990 KX that had how ever many years of abuse.

Nothing wrong with second hand, just buy the cheapest you can't afford. LOL that is Boooms advice.

[Midget200]

If you can afford it, buy new......especially if you intend to keep it for a while.....For me it's worth it for the peace of mind.....

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

[barty5]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Good on yah ride it more like all things it takes a bit of time to get use to them.

[Bradz]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Thats wicked, yet another team green member...

[SpikedPunch]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Wahoo! :headbang:

[L Rider]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Wahoo!!
When you're not use to them there is a bit of an art to starting them - well for noobies. I use to have trouble starting mine - now i'm use to it i wonder what the problem ever was lol.
they're very easy to flood too so perhaps thats what's happening when your trying to start it?
The more you ride it the more you'll get use to it & adjust. Much different riding than a 4t.

[Sammikins]

Can't wait to get mine! We can be green noobs and stall together!! :clap::clap:

[Midget200]

Wahoo!!
When you're not use to them there is a bit of an art to starting them - well for noobies. I use to have trouble starting mine - now i'm use to it i wonder what the problem ever was lol.
they're very easy to flood too so perhaps thats what's happening when your trying to start it?
The more you ride it the more you'll get use to it & adjust. Much different riding than a 4t.

Well it wasn't so much starting it, did that, and then stalled it. Then started okay, and then stalled again, and again, just trying to get out of the woops!! Technique I know, got to start again, patience and all that!!

[Reckless]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill!!!!!

Good on ya girl another 2 smoker in the ranks!!!


Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating!!!

Your used to the thumper which generally you use no throttle when starting hot ( I think??). With a 2smoker if you stall or tip it upside down use about 1/2 throttle (sometimes I use full throttle) and just hold it there when kicking it. Taught this to a guy on the Wires ride after he was kicking over his 125 for about 10 mins, seems to work good for most 2strokes?


Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Ha you've discovered the difference between the 4stroke and the 2smoke MX bike!! You have to use the clutch more before it stalls, keep it revving and in the power band. A KX85 won't pull from down low like your 250x even with a fly wheel weight. Try more speed and momentum at the bottom of the hill then give it arseholes on the way up. I would think you definitely won't be used to the sound of a screaming 2 stroke after the 250x so your probably riding it way to low in the rev range (well that's my guess over the Internet)! Some adjustments can be made to the bike but the main adjustments will be with the rider.
Unless you do something silly you won't break it so give it heaps and ENJOY!!!

[noobi]

so that was you who had the new kx. thought it might have been.
nice to meet you yesterday

[L Rider]

Well it wasn't so much starting it, did that, and then stalled it. Then started okay, and then stalled again, and again, just trying to get out of the woops!! Technique I know, got to start again, patience and all that!!

Got ya, i know exactly what you're talking about. Patience is a big one - i dont have much at all. Bascially practice & patience is the solution, which you already know

[L Rider]

Ha you've discovered the difference between the 4stroke and the 2smoke MX bike!! You have to use the clutch more before it stalls, keep it revving and in the power band. A KX85 won't pull from down low like your 250x even with a fly wheel weight. Try more speed and momentum at the bottom of the hill then give it arseholes on the way up. I would think you definitely won't be used to the sound of a screaming 2 stroke after the 250x so your probably riding it way to low in the rev range (well that's my guess over the Internet)! Some adjustments can be made to the bike but the main adjustments will be with the rider.
Unless you do something silly you won't break it so give it heaps and ENJOY!!!

Lol i remember when i first started i never gave it enough revs - i was scared of breaking it or blowing it up - hubby was always telling me to give it more shit etc.
They can handle a lot so i've learnt.

[Sammikins]

I always have nightmares about giving it heaps up hills and then going too hard and the front lifting up and flipping backwards and crushing and killing me... Can this happen? Or should I just lay off the booze before bedtimes... (Yes these are real dreams of mine... :( )

[L Rider]

I always have nightmares about giving it heaps up hills and then going too hard and the front lifting up and flipping backwards and crushing and killing me... Can this happen? Or should I just lay off the booze before bedtimes... (Yes these are real dreams of mine... :( )

It won't crush & kill yah but yip sure can flip it. Thunder is great for it - i don't know from personal experience though:bleh:

[SpikedPunch]

I always have nightmares about giving it heaps up hills and then going too hard and the front lifting up and flipping backwards and crushing and killing me... Can this happen? Or should I just lay off the booze before bedtimes... (Yes these are real dreams of mine... :( )

It won't kill you!:) But yeah uphill wheelies will prob happen when you're getting used to it, bit freaky at first but you get used to it :D Just stay forwards. You've gotta give it death up some hills or you just won't get up.
I took a good month and a half/two months to feel as confident as far as ability goes on the 2t as the 4t for me. Luvin' it now, but first month of krad telling me I was faster on my dr-z wasn't so cool ;) Which I'm sure was all part of a clever plan to help me go faster since I ride better when I'm pissed off :innocent:

[Reckless]

Lol i remember when i first started i never gave it enough revs - i was scared of breaking it or blowing it up - hubby was always telling me to give it more shit etc.
They can handle a lot so i've learnt.

What Midge has discovering is exactly the crux of the "what shall I buy" in this size bike and trial riding debate!
Bloody KX is to moto x, Crf150f to heavy, everything else to bloody tall or to big and powerful.
Sooner or later some dumb shit manufacturer is goin to catch on and make a killing in this area, but till then we have to compromise!
Although I must say once she masters the kx she'll be a better rider for it but if there was a good trail bike with a low seat height and real suspension in this bracket the learning curve wouldn't need to be so hard.
If Ktm produced a 125exc small wheel or a 85ccexc trail bike that would solve it I reckon something with about a 850m seat height.


I always have nightmares about giving it heaps up hills and then going too hard and the front lifting up and flipping backwards and crushing and killing me... Can this happen? Or should I just lay off the booze before bedtimes... (Yes these are real dreams of mine... :( )

Oh my boozy dreams are much different from that! but back to bikes LOL!!!

Haha the front will lift, the flips will happen, the crushing and killing are only in the dreams LOL!!!

[Midget200]

so that was you who had the new kx. thought it might have been.
nice to meet you yesterday

Oh was that you that gave me the good advice! Thanks for that! Nice to meet you too! You should have said something! After reading all the posts with that video of you I feel like I know you anyway!

[Midget200]

I always have nightmares about giving it heaps up hills and then going too hard and the front lifting up and flipping backwards and crushing and killing me... Can this happen? Or should I just lay off the booze before bedtimes... (Yes these are real dreams of mine... :( )

Geez I'm having same bloody dreams now for sure! I was just doing the small woops and someone stopped in front me, going along well! Then stopped uphill. Started the bike okay, then put on some gas, slipped the clutch and tried to take off! That's when I stalled it. Now realise have to wring its neck to take off! Yeah I thought I might break it!!! Need ear plugs for the noise it makes!

Yeah definitely a huge hole in the market! I'll have to get in some practice over the weekend!!!

[Sammikins]

Haha the front will lift, the flips will happen, the crushing and killing are only in the dreams LOL!!!

Maybe instead of booze before bedtimes, I have booze before biketimes? Then I might find the front flippy falling off part slightly less unpleasant... maybe funny, even... Oh gawd I think I need a big fat cup of harden the f**k up! :apint:

[xen]

Good shit, congrats! Takes a little bit getting used to a new bike but once you do you'll love it. Another 2smoker convert lol

[clmintie]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!


Congratulations on your new arrival... :niceone:

I tried to send you chocolates, but they melted in the CD drive, some flowers instead....

See you at Sandpit next Wednesday, you can swap " I flipped and nearly died" stories with Grace....

Buying a new bike is the best pickmeup there is......

[buffstar]

Maybe instead of booze before bedtimes, I have booze before biketimes? Then I might find the front flippy falling off part slightly less unpleasant... maybe funny, even... Oh gawd I think I need a big fat cup of harden the f**k up! :apint:

LOL!!!! this one time......... I had afew beers before firing up the old crf230, was just mucking about in a mates paddock, and thats all Im gunna tell ya actually...... my advice - dont do it mate:apint:
Its all good ....... till it aint:thud:

[Midget200]

Congratulations on your new arrival... :niceone:

I tried to send you chocolates, but they melted in the CD drive, some flowers instead....

See you at Sandpit next Wednesday, you can swap " I flipped and nearly died" stories with Grace....

Buying a new bike is the best pickmeup there is......

Thank you for my flowers! Yeah definitely it's a pick me up if you can ride the bloody thing! Yeah patience, I know. Grace will be teaching me how to ride again on Wednesday!!! She will need the patience!!!

[green machine]

I've got a new bike, I've got new bike! Yeah got the last KX85, 2009 from Spectrum yesterday and ran it in at Woodhill! Now I need to learn to ride the bloody thing! Any tips? Yesterday I stalled it a few times on small woops, and found it hard to get started! Have ordered a heavier fly weight! Blood frustrating! I heard that new bikes need time to settle in! All tips appreciated! Sort of seemed to have too much power and then when needed not enough!!!!

Good stuff...told ya there is nothin like riding a virgin bike:msn-wink:......good choice on the colour too.....you will master it in time:clap:

[telliman]

wat reckless says,learn to use the clutch to keep it on the pipe, never ridden a 85 but on the 125;s you fan the clutch alot to keep it in the rev range, same as a 250 4t as well,have looked at a few 250 2t latly myself, cant wait to get back to the power band!:gob:

[Rupe]

Ha you've discovered the difference between the 4stroke and the 2smoke MX bike!! You have to use the clutch more before it stalls,

lol, you haven't ridden a 4stroke mx bike have you???? I find the clutch more important at low revs on the 4stroke, 250 2t's run quite low before they stall in comparison.

[green machine]

lol, you haven't ridden a 4stroke mx bike have you???? I find the clutch more important at low revs on the 4stroke, 250 2t's run quite low before they stall in comparison.
I concur...............

[clmintie]

lol, you haven't ridden a 4stroke mx bike have you???? I find the clutch more important at low revs on the 4stroke, 250 2t's run quite low before they stall in comparison.


Yeah, people forget that a 250 4t has more in common with a 125 2t than a 250 2t

[clmintie]

Thank you for my flowers! Yeah definitely it's a pick me up if you can ride the bloody thing! Yeah patience, I know. Grace will be teaching me how to ride again on Wednesday!!! She will need the patience!!!

You're welcome.... :whistle:

We'll have to do something about your profile pic now... :niceone:

Looks like Wednesday at Sandpit is going to be busy..... :clap::clap:

[Reckless]

lol, you haven't ridden a 4stroke mx bike have you???? I find the clutch more important at low revs on the 4stroke, 250 2t's run quite low before they stall in comparison.


Yeah, people forget that a 250 4t has more in common with a 125 2t than a 250 2t

LOL!! your right I was guessing a bit when I said that! But generally got the advice right "I think"??

We'll have to swap bikes Rupe at the sandpit next time! :devil2:
Na better not! Then you'll want to buy an Orange 2 hundy!!:Pokey:

[barty5]

LOL!! your right I was guessing a bit when I said that! But generally got the advice right "I think"??

We'll have to swap bikes Rupe at the sandpit next time! :devil2:
Na better not! Then you'll want to buy an Orange 2 hundy!!:Pokey:

:lol::lol: some how me dont think so. good try though 4 stroke all the way.

[barty5]

LOL!!!! this one time......... I had afew beers before firing up the old crf230, was just mucking about in a mates paddock, and thats all Im gunna tell ya actually...... my advice - dont do it mate:apint:
Its all good ....... till it aint:thud:

Nothing better than a bike ride the day after a night in the booze clears your head real fast and really gets the adrenaline going.

[Reckless]

:lol::lol: some how me dont think so. good try though 4 stroke all the way.

We'll see! there's a 2smoke man still somewhere in Rupe he just hasn't ridden the right bike yet! LOL!!!


Nothing better than a bike ride the day after a night in the booze clears your head real fast and really gets the adrenaline going.

Actually a good ride on a road bike as well is really good after a night on the piss. Relaxed, fresh air, nice flowing tarmac etc etc.

[Midget200]

You're welcome.... :whistle:

We'll have to do something about your profile pic now... :niceone:

Looks like Wednesday at Sandpit is going to be busy..... :clap::clap:

Cool, clmintie, photo time with brand new bike! Must wear makeup and do hair!!! See you on Wednesday! I see you helped a guy out showing him a site on another post. You don't happen to know where I could find tips on riding a 2 stroke. I've googled and looked in the library! I need to understand how it all works!!! Ta. :niceone:

[clmintie]

Cool, clmintie, photo time with brand new bike! Must wear makeup and do hair!!! See you on Wednesday! I see you helped a guy out showing him a site on another post. You don't happen to know where I could find tips on riding a 2 stroke. I've googled and looked in the library! I need to understand how it all works!!! Ta. :niceone:

Now if you'd been paying attention at Broxy training..........:devil2:

Do you remember what he was on about when this photo was taken? Using the clutch to maintain the amount of drive required, with a constant throttle setting?

Then later the "rule of three" of cornering (my name for it....) too hard to 'show' you on here, will have to wait for Wednesday.....

I'll have a look on the interweb and see what I can find for you......

Side note.... Isn't the clutch action nice and smooth on the KX?

[Midget200]

Now if you'd been paying attention at Broxy training..........:devil2:

Do you remember what he was on about when this photo was taken? Using the clutch to maintain the amount of drive required, with a constant throttle setting?

Then later the "rule of three" of cornering (my name for it....) too hard to 'show' you on here, will have to wait for Wednesday.....

I'll have a look on the interweb and see what I can find for you......

Side note.... Isn't the clutch action nice and smooth on the KX?

Oops, was I listening at Broxy? I think I was! Don't remember that though! I'm having a lesson on Wednesday with Clmintie! Oh yeah! Don't understand the concept of 'you've got to be on the pipe all the time'. 'Keep the revs up'. Does that mean revving the bike? You can reveal all oh wise one!

[clmintie]

Oops, was I listening at Broxy? I think I was! Don't remember that though! I'm having a lesson on Wednesday with Clmintie! Oh yeah! Don't understand the concept of 'you've got to be on the pipe all the time'. 'Keep the revs up'. Does that mean revving the bike? You can reveal all oh wise one!

Oops, didn't mean to sound like a know it all.. :o

The KX will get you pretty much anywhere a 4T will, once you get the hang of keeping the revs up where the motor makes it's best power, then "feathering" the clutch to control forward motion and drive without excessive wheel spin.

A session with Birchy would be your best move at this stage, he's the king of this stuff....... I think he's got a training day on the 25th? which we can't get to. Grace and Sophie will get to a Birchy training on day, but Mum and Dad are in danger of running out of money... my oldest daughter has managed to get herself accepted into a posh English university (she's the cleaver one in the family...!!) and pounds ain't cheap...........

Wednesday will be fun...........

[Rupe]

We'll see! there's a 2smoke man still somewhere in Rupe he just hasn't ridden the right bike yet! LOL!!!


ridden your old 200ktm a bit mate, but not what I want at the mo. In fact ridden loads of 2strokes, and favorite was a yz125 so far, don't know why just loved it. Still haven't tried a ktm300 though, would like to see what they're like.

Keen for a swap next time at the sandpit, like to see if there is much difference between an 03 and an 08. Reckon you've already made your mind up about any 4stroke already!!! One thing that is worth noting is that I rode a lot of different bikes when I'd had enough of my old bike. And found most of what I'd been told by various people, and thier opinions to be wrong and the bikes were the almost opposite in some cases. Some things are true though, you seem to think that with a smaller engine bike you can ride it quicker/better, I'd agree 100% there. It's all about confidence, being comftable, and you being in total control, not being worried what the bike will do next. Bit like the girl on this thread, I bet after a couple of good rides she'll start to get on the gas more and really enjoy it.

[clmintie]

Way to go Midge..............You are looking "at home" on your new steed and obviously enjoying her(?)
hey Sammikins, what should she name her new ride?????

Apologies for using crap camera, but it's only one I have that i can use with one hand...

Lets just call it "arty" shall we......

[SpikedPunch]

Way to go Midge..............

Smiling thru the helmet! Looks like you're loving it! How'd it treat you on the ride today, saw you v. briefly while signing in, couldn't go say hi had to hold my bike up :rolleyes:

[Midget200]

Way to go Midge..............You are looking "at home" on your new steed and obviously enjoying her(?)
hey Sammikins, what should she name her new ride?????

Apologies for using crap camera, but it's only one I have that i can use with one hand...

Lets just call it "arty" shall we......

Thanks for the photo! I think it's very arty! Yeah I'm smiling! Yeha, it was great. Did the main loop, and faltered a bit at some of the small hills, needed to clutch it more! I was told I'd 'oiled it up' by not riding fast enough! Had intimate dealings with a couple of trees. Did the yellow loop a couple of times and loved the green loop.

Thanks for your great advice Clmintie, helped me heaps. Of course thanks to the girls once again for riding with me. Awesome girls. Sophie is getting pretty fast, and couldn't even keep Grace in my sights!!!

[Midget200]

Smiling thru the helmet! Looks like you're loving it! How'd it treat you on the ride today, saw you v. briefly while signing in, couldn't go say hi had to hold my bike up :rolleyes:

Hey there you! Is your bike okay? That wasn't you needing a tow at the end of the day? Yeah the bike is very cool. You're more than welcome to have a ride next time. I put the fly wheel on it. I couldn't tell the difference, but Logan, Tony's boy rode it and said it was much smoother out of the corners and going up hills, so that's all good! Yeah definitely a great little bike, when I learn to ride it properly. Yeah time on the bike, more revs, all that stuff!

[B0000M]

wat reckless says,learn to use the clutch to keep it on the pipe, never ridden a 85 but on the 125;s you fan the clutch alot to keep it in the rev range, same as a 250 4t as well,have looked at a few 250 2t latly myself, cant wait to get back to the power band!:gob:

my mate has a mint 05 cr250, the one in gisborne on trademe, hes open to offers. it truely is as fresh and mint as it describes

[SpikedPunch]

Hey there you! Is your bike okay? That wasn't you needing a tow at the end of the day? Yeah the bike is very cool. You're more than welcome to have a ride next time. I put the fly wheel on it. I couldn't tell the difference, but Logan, Tony's boy rode it and said it was much smoother out of the corners and going up hills, so that's all good! Yeah definitely a great little bike, when I learn to ride it properly. Yeah time on the bike, more revs, all that stuff!
Sweet :D Haha, yeah that was me getting a tow, it's all good now. Wonky spark plug, bit missing off the end. Good thing I went for the dye job a couple months back, apparently I only got rescued cause I'm blonde!
Should def do a swap sometime!

[Sammikins]

Way to go Midge..............You are looking "at home" on your new steed and obviously enjoying her(?)
hey Sammikins, what should she name her new ride?????

Apologies for using crap camera, but it's only one I have that i can use with one hand...

Lets just call it "arty" shall we......

Hmm... Can't really name a bike without meeting it first...!

[Midget200]

Sweet :D Haha, yeah that was me getting a tow, it's all good now. Wonky spark plug, bit missing off the end. Good thing I went for the dye job a couple months back, apparently I only got rescued cause I'm blonde!
Should def do a swap sometime!

Oh thank goodness it was a plug, I thought it might have been the motor! I have a spanner and plug with me at all times. I've been told in strong terms never to be without a plug!!! Will see you at the 2 man, although I'm not riding. I did think of entering the solo, am still thinking about it!

[Midget200]

Hmm... Can't really name a bike without meeting it first...!

You're more than welcome to meet my bike and have a ride! Are you going to the 2 man?

[Sammikins]

You're more than welcome to meet my bike and have a ride! Are you going to the 2 man?

Yeah will be there, pit crew duties, pretending I know how to fix bikes etc...

[vr4king]

Nice Boots hehehehehe

[SpikedPunch]

Oh thank goodness it was a plug, I thought it might have been the motor! I have a spanner and plug with me at all times. I've been told in strong terms never to be without a plug!!! Will see you at the 2 man, although I'm not riding. I did think of entering the solo, am still thinking about it!

Dooooo it doitdoit!! It'll be great fun. My spare plug was wonky too...Enuff to drive a girl batty :wacko: