Prisoners in shipping containers

[awayatc]

Why spend that much on converting shipping containers?
Stick in prisoner.....
close door...

It's a shipping container for christ sake....
Ship em back to where they came from!

If not send ship to Somalia.....
Just don't pay the ransom...
There you go : solved 2 problems in one hit and the day hasn't even properly started yet

[davereid]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Either price is madness.

While I am not a builder, I can add. A cubic metre of concrete is still under $200, so I simply can't see how a cell can cost more than $10k, even with under floor heating.

Some-one is getting very very rich here, - perhaps the real criminals are lurking in the governments procurement departments !

[Indiana_Jones]

Also forget to put airholes in the containers :shifty:

-Indy

[BOGAR]

The container would be reusable after a week or 2 as well. Just needs a quick clean (or not).:dodge:

[scracha]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Either price is madness.


Yep. We were looking at them at the field days. Nice ones with insulation, panels, doors, en suite, air con, plugs etc come in well under 20 grand.

There's plenty hard working young folks oot there who're living in converted containers, cabins and draughty fucked old houses so quite why housing prisoners in $300,000 (must be insulated with gold) shipping containers is being called "inhumane" is a mystery to me.

[awayatc]

Also forget to put airholes in the containers :shifty:

-Indy


Spelling misstake Indy....

Arseholes........
Not airholes

[MisterD]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Probably the price per cell once you've built all the security fences, towers, cell phone blockers etc etc around them as well.

[Winston001]

Probably the price per cell once you've built all the security fences, towers, cell phone blockers etc etc around them as well.

Yeah there has to be a lot more to it than just the container.

I'd envisage a few rows of insulated (ex-refrigerated) containers, probably on piles, connected to electricity, water/waste/storm drains with concrete paths in between. Situated on the grounds of a prison within the security fencing. All of that costs but hell, not $300,000 each.

[Finn]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Yet another case of only in NZ. Hence why nothing of any significance EVER happens in this goddamn country.

[Winston001]

There is a proposed development in Queenstown doing exactly this. http://www.odt.co.nz/your-town/queenstown/58785/proposal-contain-travellers

[Ixion]

I'm not up with this. How many prisoners per container? I'm not sure this would end up very economical compared with a basic "prison camp" type building. What sort of prisoners are we expecting the numbers of to increase ? Real bad , escape if given half a chance buggers? Or , just want to serve their time without aggro and get out losers? The latter wouldn't seem to need very expensive accommodation? And do wer really have too many of the former to fit into Pare?

[steve_t]

Don't forget the prisoners' need for underfloor heating... as per these new prisons being built :mad:

[Winston001]

There isn't a shortage of cells at the moment but projections forward suggest there will be.

Also an objective of rehabilitative imprisonment is to situate prisoners as close to their family as possible. Thus empty cells in the South Island are not considered a viable option for Auckland convicts.

[Beemer]

... send ship to Somalia.....
Just don't pay the ransom...
There you go : solved 2 problems in one hit and the day hasn't even properly started yet

Best idea I've read yet! Brilliant!

[cambridgedan]

i guess 300K + would be ok if you can get 300+ prisoners in one container, why dont they buy a bit of land, (open flat with no hills near or places to hide like trees etc) and build a fence around the paddocks and give them some tarpaulin etc to build them selfs a bivouac :2thumbsup

[nudemetalz]

Still think that Yank one in Texas with the tents and the prisoners all wearing pink is the way to go. Very low cost and low crime rate.

[scumdog]

I bet you could fit a lot more prisoners in if the container was stood on end. (and given a shake or two).

[Bow-Down]

Just shoot the pricks

[peasea]

Just shoot the pricks

Who? The prisoners? The politicians who approve ridiculous expenditure on prisoners? Or both?

Do we have enough ammo for both? If so how long would it take to get resource consent to either dig a mass grave or incinerate the lot? (Bearing in mind the Greens will blow hard about the noise and smoke.)

[P38]

Why spend that much on converting shipping containers?
Stick in prisoner.....
close door...

It's a shipping container for christ sake....
Ship em back to where they came from!

If not send ship to Somalia.....
Just don't pay the ransom...
There you go : solved 2 problems in one hit and the day hasn't even properly started yet

You left out a few steps awayatc.

Obtain shipping container, ensure its air tight.

Stick in said prisoners.

Suck out the air.

Wait twenty minutes

Open up, clean out

Repeat. :yes:

[hayd3n]

why cant we just send em to Australia like we used too?

[SARGE]

Yet another case of only in NZ. Hence why nothing of any significance EVER happens in this goddamn country.

you are so wrong Bilbo...

there was that one thing..



no wait .. that was Austrailia..

how about that time .. oh,,



Australia again .,..


no.. i got it ..





nah...sorry.. Afghanistan...


you're right...

[scracha]

Give call center jobs to hard working Kiwi's....they almost speak english.

Outsource the prisons to India. Any crim with a sentence longer than 3 months gets a free return ticket to an Indian jail. I'm pretty sure they don't spend 600,000K per cell out there.

[awayatc]

when I was a young lad and backpacked my way around the world I had an interesting encounter with a young French guy who had spend a number of years in a Prison in Marocco for trying to smuggle drugs out of the country.
Prison was in the desert, and was very basic with very few guards...and even less facilities. No cells, just a compound with some shelter/ and things.
Nowhere to escape to.....
Interestingly though was that food etc was not supplied.....
Your family had to send it over, or you needed to buy some from other inmates who had supplylines.....

He learned to speak Arab while there, that was the one and only upside to it all for him....

[Ocean1]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Either price is madness.

Yeah. I want to see the spec's.

Really.

In the private sector it's possible to blow a scope of work up to "simply not going to happen", but... it simply doesn't happen.

That sometimes doesn't apply to Government projects, especially when Mill-spec's or similar, (as in mind-numbingly complex Amnesty International driven standards out of Geneva irrelevant to domestic application here) apply.

But I'd sure as hell like a shot at the RFQ anyway.

[oldrider]

Peter Williams QC, on TV1 tonight (close up) part of the solution or part of the problem?

The man claims he has been visiting prisons in New Zealand for 50years and that he should know!

According to him, containers are not humane for prisoners to live in.

For 50 years he has been obviously creaming it off crime and maintaining a high standard of living at the same time.

For lawyers like him, crime really pays no wonder they side so often with the criminals.

It's like expecting rabbit boards to exterminate "rabbits" therebye destroying their own rice bowl. Yeah right! :shifty:

[Robert Taylor]

Still think that Yank one in Texas with the tents and the prisoners all wearing pink is the way to go. Very low cost and low crime rate.

Exactly, and the ideal site is the central plateau.

[Ocean1]

Peter Williams QC, on TV1 tonight (close up) part of the solution or part of the problem?

Was he there with his Howard League hat on?

If so they should really have had someone like Garth McVicar from Sensible Sentencing there also.

But then... ballance, from a mainstream media engine? Not really likely.

And again, disinterest from an avaowed political advocate and profesional barister?... P'raps not.

[AllanB]

It's also really good to know that Telecoms new network will work inside a shipping container.

[Dave Lobster]

Yet another case of only in NZ. Hence why nothing of any significance EVER happens in this goddamn country.

We're world famous for baby killing these days.




Do we have enough ammo for both?

Xylone B was found to be more effective.




If so how long would it take to get resource consent to either dig a mass grave or incinerate the lot? (Bearing in mind the Greens will blow hard about the noise and smoke.)

Tsk.. put those fuckers in first.



Back on topic.. how many soldiers live in each container when they're away on tour? In my personal experience in the Brit army, four of us lived in each container for six months at a time. In 35 degree heat (with just one fan per container) and in -10 deg cold (with one heater per container).

Why the fuck should prisoners have anything better than soldiers??

[peasea]

We're world famous for baby killing these days.




Xylone B was found to be more effective.




Tsk.. put those fuckers in first.



Back on topic.. how many soldiers live in each container when they're away on tour? In my personal experience in the Brit army, four of us lived in each container for six months at a time. In 35 degree heat (with just one fan per container) and in -10 deg cold (with one heater per container).

Why the fuck should prisoners have anything better than soldiers??

It should be the other way around..........give the soldiers some comfort and the crims a rocket!

[Genestho]

The paper was quoting a figure of $300,000 + to covert a shipping container to a cell or $600,000 + to build a "real" cell.

Either price is madness.

While I am not a builder, I can add. A cubic metre of concrete is still under $200, so I simply can't see how a cell can cost more than $10k, even with under floor heating.

Some-one is getting very very rich here, - perhaps the real criminals are lurking in the governments procurement departments !

Hardcase, my father inlaw had an engineer bizzo, years ago, he did some work on Linton Prison.
He put together some quotes on materials required, and thought it ridiculously costly, went out of his way to find similar materials, at a much lower cost, called the project manager, gave him the heads up, but no...it was insisted on, that he use the costly materials. So he did.

We only had this convo again a couple of months ago...and he's still shaking his head.

Kim Workman is saying this is inhumane for prisoners (300 g's sound's pretty inhumane:wacko:) but yet, how is it not inhumane for soldiers?

Unreal.

[Kemet]

Yeah there has to be a lot more to it than just the container.

I'd envisage a few rows of insulated (ex-refrigerated) containers, probably on piles, connected to electricity, water/waste/storm drains with concrete paths in between. Situated on the grounds of a prison within the security fencing. All of that costs but hell, not $300,000 each.

Waste of a perfectly good reefer!! All though I never thought to ask at work if they can heat as well as cool. Might find a reefer tech at work tomorrow and ask....


Also forget to put airholes in the containers :shifty:

-Indy

Unless it's a reefer all the containers are made with ventilation holes... nothing a littler filler can't fix though.....


I bet you could fit a lot more prisoners in if the container was stood on end. (and given a shake or two).

works for scrap metal...... fucks the walls though...





Back on topic.. how many soldiers live in each container when they're away on tour? In my personal experience in the Brit army, four of us lived in each container for six months at a time. In 35 degree heat (with just one fan per container) and in -10 deg cold (with one heater per container).

Why the fuck should prisoners have anything better than soldiers??

Corollary: Why should soldiers have it better than housing NZ tennants? and the rest of the family out in the garage?

much better place for spending $300k
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... me

[peasea]

Peter Williams QC, on TV1 tonight (close up) part of the solution or part of the problem?

The man claims he has been visiting prisons in New Zealand for 50years and that he should know!

According to him, containers are not humane for prisoners to live in.

For 50 years he has been obviously creaming it off crime and maintaining a high standard of living at the same time.

For lawyers like him, crime really pays no wonder they side so often with the criminals.

It's like expecting rabbit boards to exterminate "rabbits" therebye destroying their own rice bowl. Yeah right! :shifty:

He came over like a prize fuckwit.
Sure, the Tower of London is no longer an option but really, do they need air con? ffs!

[peasea]

Hardcase, my father inlaw had an engineer bizzo, years ago, he did some work on Linton Prison.
He put together some quotes on materials required, and thought it ridiculously costly, went of his way to find similar materials, at a much lower cost, called the project manager, gave him the heads up, but no...it was insisted on, that he use the costly materials. So he did.

We only had this convo again a couple of months ago...and he's still shaking his head.

Kim Workman is saying this is inhumane for prisoners (300 g's sound's pretty inhumane:wacko:) but yet, how is it not inhumane for soldiers?

Unreal.

And soldiers are trained to protect the nation. Crims just fuck it.

[awayatc]

And soldiers are trained to protect the nation. Crims just fuck it.

Maybe crims can assist the military.......

target practice anyone?

[oldrider]

If you want to improve your standard of living!

Worldwide: Work harder and smarter. :yes:

New Zealand: Go to jail. :motu:

[Maha]

They have overlooked the obvious in that, stack em' high.
That way at least, the inmates would have a wonderful view of whatever they are looking at. Not to mention the space saved. Cellphone reception would be greater as would Sky, although, pissing out the window (they will have windows wont they?) could be a problem? Not so much during the cold days, it would freeze and then break when it hits the ground. OSH may have something to say about ti though.

[Swoop]

Xylone B was found to be more effective.
It is actually "Zyklon B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B)".

[Dave Lobster]

It is actually "Zyklon B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B)".

Details..

Very effective, never-the-less.