Paekakariki hill 19-6-09

[Sketchy Snr]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

[Nasty]

I would have thought if there was a double yellow it would be legit .. that is a weird thing .. never heard of it before ... hmmm makes ya think ... what the road rules say????

[Laxi]

wish I had my camera on me, that was the day a mufti swerved clear across the centre line at me like he was fiddling with the radio or somthing, freakn hypocrites:angry2:

[Mully]

Sounds like a crock - but I guess the requirement is to keep as far left as practicable..... COuld be legit.

[Mom]

I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legal ???

I am picking you were over the centre line if the charge is failing to keep left.

Meh, write in and argue, see if you get off or not.

My advice, pay the ticket and learn a lesson, at least you got a ticket for it mate, you could have been dead.

[sAsLEX]

I am picking you were over the centre line if the charge is failing to keep left.

Meh, write in and argue, see if you get off or not.

My advice, pay the ticket and learn a lesson, at least you got a ticket for it mate, you could have been dead.

Learn a lesson from a charge he is unsure why he is receiving?

Oh yip

[Cloggy]

Does the ticket say where exactly on the hill road?. I would have thought cutting across the centre line would be acceptable (but maybe not entirely legitimate) if you had a least 100 mtrs of clear road visibly ahead of you at all times during the manoeuvre, just like if you were passing another vehicle.

[Laxi]

Does the ticket say where exactly on the hill road?. I would have thought cutting across the centre line would be acceptable (but maybe not entirely legitimate) if you had a least 100 mtrs of clear road visibly ahead of you at all times during the manoeuvre, just like if you were passing another vehicle.

they were definatly on a revenue gather that day, I passed 4 cop cars (2 mufti & 2 plain) between the summit and grays rd

[Madness]

they were definatly on a revenue gather that day, I passed 4 cop cars (2 mufti & 2 plain) between the summit and grays rd

Might have just been Po-po recruits from Porirua, the ones without Swine Flu that is.

[Rcktfsh]

new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....

[Rcktfsh]

Might have just been Po-po recruits from Porirua, the ones without Swine Flu that is.

now thats irony at its finest.

[wickle]

Talking to a rider this morning who said a group of four or more got snapped on similiar thing over weekend, ( crossing centre line while neg: a large sweeping bend. Looks like a new revenue gathering method has been actioned.

[normajeane]

they were definatly on a revenue gather that day, I passed 4 cop cars (2 mufti & 2 plain) between the summit and grays rd

Ummm, me not bright, but what difference between mufti and plain??

Revenue, I've not paid mine for 23years, YOU got caught wif this?

[normajeane]

new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....

Bugger all that, are you the jury and is he guilty??

[Laxi]

Ummm, me not bright, but what difference between mufti and plain??

Revenue, I've not paid mine for 23years, YOU got caught wif this?

nah, I wasn't doing anything to get caught for:sweatdrop

[SPman]

Talking to a rider this morning who said a group of four or more got snapped on similiar thing over weekend, ( crossing centre line while neg: a large sweeping bend. Looks like a new revenue gathering method has been actioned.
If you can't keep on your own side of the road, even on the takas, even if you can see, you deserve a ticket!

[FJRider]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Failing to keep left is a legit charge. You are supposed to keep to the left of the centerline, unless overtaking. A few have been nabbed for that down this way ...

[=cJ=]

Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.

And yes, I know our friendly law-making muppets don't see it his way...

[allycatz]

I saw a cop actually sitting up the bank on the bendy bit halfway over the hill weekend before last with radar gun....his car was tucked out the way and you couldnt see him till right in front of him...

[nosebleed]

I've never heard of 'video ticketing' before...but then I'm not much of a lawbreaker so i'm not really up-to-date with these things :innocent:

maybe post copy of the infringement notice and one the 'professionals' can cast their eye over it, to make sure it's legit.

[Number 5]

new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....
Good advice, I did the same for a speeding infringement last October, but make sure you get the dates of the certificate issued, and to what equipement it is issued for, as in speed detection equipment there are two one for micro wave (radar) and one for laser.
Three visits to court for mine to be dismissed (not guilty), as it turned out one of the officers was not qualified to operate the equipment until a month after the alleged speeding infringment (laser gun) and lots other ifs and buts as to the operation of the equipment.

As far as I can remember failing to keep left is an offence if you are holding traffic up and fail to move over to let it pass, the only other time I can remember this being used is when it causes or is involved in an accident.

If there is no continuous yellow line you can cross the centre line, how else do you get to the other side of the road.

You were obviously avoiding some wildlife that had run into the road, eh.

[dave_a]

Damnit why do they have to do this to paekok hill :bash:

[Paul in NZ]

I saw a cop actually sitting up the bank on the bendy bit halfway over the hill weekend before last with radar gun....his car was tucked out the way and you couldnt see him till right in front of him...

Yup - we saw him too when we took the Guzzinator for a berl - gave him a wee wave, he waved back, seemed a friendly sort.

Um..... Look it's not just bikes on that road that have problems but seriously this stuff has been telegraphed for a long time, stopping people for a chat, reducing the speed limits, radar traps, comment in the paper etc etc and the accident rate is still very very high. Seriously, I EXPECT to see a cop up there these days, doing their job because we (the public that is) can't take a hint....

[Patrick]

Without reading the whole thread......

Was there something wrong with your side of the road?

Otherwise, keep left, or pay the donation.

[Patrick]

Bugger it... couldn't help meself.... had to have a read.....


new one on me, assume you have just been sent a letter from police infringement office at this stage, if so send back a request for further info such as picture/video, site report, police manuel for operating equipment used, certification for officer operating said equipment. start your letter with...persuant to the official information act 1982 can you please suppy ....

This aint new. Read the road code for starters.

Request for info, yep... official info act stuff, yep... but he has already been supplied with a video recording. What more is there????

Site report? It isn't a speed camera.
Police manual for operating equipment? Its a video. They come with "operating instructions" off the shelf. There is no need for a licence to drive or certificate whatever.... its a video. Sheesh.


If you can't keep on your own side of the road, even on the takas, even if you can see, you deserve a ticket!

Kinda sums it up so well....


Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.

And yes, I know our friendly law-making muppets don't see it his way...

And all head on collisions involve someone "on the wrong side of the road..."

All would have thought they had "clear visibility"... unless they had a head on on purpose....????


Good advice, I did the same for a speeding infringement last October, but make sure you get the dates of the certificate issued, and to what equipement it is issued for, as in speed detection equipment there are two one for micro wave (radar) and one for laser.
Three visits to court for mine to be dismissed (not guilty), as it turned out one of the officers was not qualified to operate the equipment until a month after the alleged speeding infringment (laser gun) and lots other ifs and buts as to the operation of the equipment.

As above. Its a video. Not a high sophisticated radar/speed detection device... Harvey Normans and the like have em by the bin full.....

As far as I can remember failing to keep left is an offence if you are holding traffic up and fail to move over to let it pass, the only other time I can remember this being used is when it causes or is involved in an accident.

If there is no continuous yellow line you can cross the centre line, how else do you get to the other side of the road.

You were obviously avoiding some wildlife that had run into the road, eh.

This "wildlife" defence would also be on video then... dontcha think? Funny read though, after all.....

[Ocean1]

Without reading the whole thread......

Was there something wrong with your side of the road?

Otherwise, keep left, or pay the donation.

When was the last time you rode that hill dude? There something wrong with your side of the road on most of the corners, even mid-summer when there's no green slime on the RH corners heading north.

[Rcktfsh]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???


Request for info, yep... official info act stuff, yep... but he has already been supplied with a video recording. What more is there????

Site report? It isn't a speed camera.
Police manual for operating equipment? Its a video. They come with "operating instructions" off the shelf. There is no need for a licence to drive or certificate whatever.... its a video. Sheesh.



Only mentions he's been isued a ticket, not provided with video or proper procedure for deployment hence the purpose for asking.

[Patrick]

When was the last time you rode that hill dude? There something wrong with your side of the road on most of the corners, even mid-summer when there's no green slime on the RH corners heading north.

3 years ago? It's a 5 star rated ride in the motorbikers map book, so gave it a go. Rode it for the twisties.... cut the corners, its not so twisty... Why ruin a 5 star ride??????

It aint a race track.... so I believed..... (P/T)

[Patrick]

Only mentions he's been isued a ticket, not provided with video or proper procedure for deployment hence the purpose for asking.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. I took it as he received a video recording. There is no "proper procedure for deployment" of a video. "Hold and point, press record" is the norm.

They can be used for red lights, stop signs, cutting corners, recording bad behaviour, your mates stag do.... whatever... just to name a few.

[Sparky Bills]

A video ticket...?
Thats a new one. Id better keep my eye open on the hill from now on.

I will be interested in hearing how you get on with this.

[Patrick]

$150 donation, is my guess.

[Mooch]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Unless it was over double yellow lines then it sounds like they've got nothing better to do .

Mind you , if they did the same to 4 wheel drive owners they'd make a fortune on this road.

[Ocean1]

It aint a race track.... so I believed..... (P/T)

Correct. And yes, I also tend not to go hunting for bendy bits and then try to straighten them out.

There's a couple of corners up there that I routinely do clip though, had a few too many wee slithers on the greasy stuff.

I'd argue it's a valid defense, in practical safety terms if not legal ones.

[Laxi]

this does actually remind me of aussie, I lived in NQ for a while and they had a road that had cameras all along it, was AU$120 for per wheel over the centre line, could get damned expensive

[Sketchy Snr]

Well, To clear a few things up, the bike in question is a Harley ( dont go round corners), I ride Peakakariki not as a race track, but for a fun bit of twisty road and when straighting out a corner do with good vision ahead and find it hard to believe there is not a rider out there that has not done this in a safe manner, so i question those who say suck it up and pay. For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.

[roadracingoldfart]

Well, To clear a few things up, the bike in question is a Harley ( dont go round corners), I ride Peakakariki not as a race track, but for a fun bit of twisty road and when straighting out a corner do with good vision ahead and find it hard to believe there is not a rider out there that has not done this in a safe manner, so i question those who say suck it up and pay. For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.


Video is used heaps in the Kapiti area, red light runners , failure to stop wankers , school zone speeders , railway barrier dodgers etc. WEllington has several intersections with red light runner cameras and they are legally enforcable if the vehicle can be identified.
Keeping left is a std law and the only head on fatal crashes i can think of up any hill have been caused by one of the vehicles , either car or bike crossing that centre line. I know a few cops in the district and they are fed up with having to make house calls to inform next of kin. The other guys i feel for is the poor volantary fireman from Paekakariki having to hose bits of body from the ashphalt.

I have also cut corners and im sure i will next time up the hill but really if the cops use a new tool to try and bring the error to our attention i am not surprised. Whats annoying is we dont know what the new tool is until it gets our wallets out.

Paul.

[MaxB]

Sorry about the ticket dude.

I have to say I am in favour of in car video for the cops. Makes it harder for them to be mistaken.

As long as they target the cage drivers too. And the logging trucks. For example I have never ever been over the Rimutaka Hill Rd without some bozo in a truck or car clipping the corners. That is a lot of trips and a lot of bozos.

[jellywrestler]

I've lost count of how many times lately wankers have cut corners and made my life difficult coming the other way. would you be whining in the same tone if someone had failed to keep left coming towards you??
i think not
Personally i think its good that they are finally using technology to record offences other then speed, theres no argument then.
why do you think so many speeding tickets are issued? cause the judge will beleive a machine whereas if someone gets done for an offence where they drag out a lawyer to haggle and drag the copper into court and gobble up time, the cops just dont bother...
Get cameras in all cop cars that way they can see whose doing stupid shit and we can all be assureed theres a watching eye on police chases too.

I got a mate who spent a lot of time going through the courts on the same charge over the tukas, still had to cough up, bloody hard to fight when they've got this sort of proof sorry

[MSTRS]

Videoing corner-cutters is a new one on me. BUT the polis have been photographing that sort of behaviour for many a moon (on and off). I agree with whoever said if you can't stay on your side then there's something seriously wrong with your vehicle handling 'skills'. In saying that tho, all the people I have heard of being done in this fashion have been done on an open bend (one you can see right through) where there was no safety issue. That smacks of revenue gathering.

[SPman]

Rubbish.

Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want.

Poor visibility = keep the hell in your lane.



Clear visibility = use as much of the road as you want. - not a good habit to get into. It's all about habituated responses and road discipline.
If you get into the habit of using the other lane, even in a safe situation, there can come a time, when it may not be safe, but your brain tells you to do it anyway - tiredness, distraction, whatever! It happens!
If you aren't self disciplined enough to be able to ride on your own side of the road at whatever speed you're doing, you need to look seriously at how you are riding on the road - and that's the clincher - it is a public highway, not a closed track!
I tend to keep crossing the centre line to clear passing manouvres or emergencies

It's about engaging your brain and making a decision as to whether or not you're safe to be in a given position on the road.
That should always be the attitude when you're riding or driving) - pity so few actually do it........

[carbonhed]

I saw that guy and his video camera... didn't bother me because I don't cut the corners. In fact I thought "good on him" if it bitch slaps a few of the fuckwits I regularly meet who can't manage to stay on their own side of the road.

Yay lets hit the twisties aaaaand.... straighten them out :2guns:

[Patrick]

....There's a couple of corners up there that I routinely do clip though, had a few too many wee slithers on the greasy stuff.

I'd argue it's a valid defense, in practical safety terms if not legal ones.

Only valid if everyone else driving over the "greasy stuff" loses control........ and I bet that didn't happen......


... so i question those who say suck it up and pay.

So..... what was wrong exactly with your side of the road??????????

For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.

"Video recorders" have been around for decades. They are not speed devices. You are confusing the two.

View the vid. Then you will know. The fine is only $150, no disqualification.

Don't name the rider, up to a $10K fine AND possible/probable disqualification.


Video is used heaps ....

All over the country in fact. We even have a brand new one in the Naki!!! Foo ay au.....

but really if the cops use a new tool to try and bring the error to our attention i am not surprised. Whats annoying is we dont know what the new tool is until it gets our wallets out.

Paul.

They aint new. We bought our one back in 1993.... great big clunker it is... and they were around before then even.....


Sorry about the ticket dude.

I have to say I am in favour of in car video for the cops. Makes it harder for them to be mistaken.

As long as they target the cage drivers too. And the logging trucks. For example I have never ever been over the Rimutaka Hill Rd without some bozo in a truck or car clipping the corners. That is a lot of trips and a lot of bozos.

Funny thing is, bikes do not feature too highly in the numbers. Trucks definitely. Cars usually...


Videoing corner-cutters is a new one on me. BUT the polis have been photographing that sort of behaviour for many a moon (on and off). I agree with whoever said if you can't stay on your side then there's something seriously wrong with your vehicle handling 'skills'. In saying that tho, all the people I have heard of being done in this fashion have been done on an open bend (one you can see right through) where there was no safety issue. That smacks of revenue gathering.

See earlier posts. Wrong side of road is the issue with head ons. On every occasion, the wrongdoer thought they had clear road...... This smacks not of revenue gathering, but of people who can't/won't stay on their side of the road. Simple, really.....

Your choice.

[MSTRS]

See earlier posts. Wrong side of road is the issue with head ons. On every occasion, the wrongdoer thought they had clear road...... This smacks not of revenue gathering, but of people who can't/won't stay on their side of the road. Simple, really.....
Your choice.

On balance, I agree. Each of us has 'our' bit of road. We need to stay in it. SPMan has the right idea...we get better at what we practice, and lazy driving will set you up for disaster.
That said, I'm not so sure that every head-on meets your parameters...(you're a cop, so I'm honour-bound to argue with you)

[Fatjim]

At bloody last. They should post cameras on every corner and take the licenses off every wanker that cuts corners up there. Admittedly, you have to really concentrate to keep completely on your side of the road if you're in a car. But whats wrong with a bit of effort now and then.

view the vid, then eat some pie, humble pie that is, if necessary.

[davereid]

I have to agree with plod on this one.

Almost every near miss I have ever had involves someone on my side of the road.

The most common one is when a super slow vehicle like a tractor is driving along, blocking a lane. For some reason, people seem to think that a slow moving vehicle does not need to be passed with the same caution as a fast moving one.

The other one is the motorcyclist, who thinks he MUST pass even though I am coming the other way, or passes me when there is obvious oncoming traffic. This seems to be really common for HD riders for some reason.

This assumes that the road is wide enough for three vehicles and that I have the skill to make the road a bit wider if necessary.

I always try very hard to make room for guys doing this, but one day its gonna go wrong, nothing surer.

If you arent a good enough driver to stay on your own side of the road, catch the bus.

[sinned]

Failing to keep left is a legit charge. You are supposed to keep to the left of the centerline, unless overtaking. A few have been nabbed for that down this way ...
There is a sweeping open corner on the Napier Taupo road where a camera is often placed for the issuing of tickets.
The rule on crossing the center line on corners is different in some other countries where it is allow and even encourage when the road is open and clear of oncoming traffic.

The Paikak road is a good one to stay on your own side and keep the speed down. It is a dangerous road to ride on a motorcycle as traffic 4WD often cut corners.

[Sketchy Snr]

Video is used heaps in the Kapiti area, red light runners , failure to stop wankers , school zone speeders , railway barrier dodgers etc. WEllington has several intersections with red light runner cameras and they are legally enforcable if the vehicle can be identified.
Keeping left is a std law and the only head on fatal crashes i can think of up any hill have been caused by one of the vehicles , either car or bike crossing that centre line. I know a few cops in the district and they are fed up with having to make house calls to inform next of kin. The other guys i feel for is the poor volantary fireman from Paekakariki having to hose bits of body from the ashphalt.

I have also cut corners and im sure i will next time up the hill but really if the cops use a new tool to try and bring the error to our attention i am not surprised. Whats annoying is we dont know what the new tool is until it gets our wallets out.

Paul.

Thanks Paul i hear what your saying, but when you can see ahead of you i think threre is no reason why you carnt cross the white line. Another main part of Paekakariki hill has no centre line so you have to choose your line through that part. I hope this isn't the beginnings of double yellow lines all the way over the hill.

[Number 5]

Well, To clear a few things up, the bike in question is a Harley ( dont go round corners), I ride Peakakariki not as a race track, but for a fun bit of twisty road and when straighting out a corner do with good vision ahead and find it hard to believe there is not a rider out there that has not done this in a safe manner, so i question those who say suck it up and pay. For me the big question is about the use of video. The law says they can set up stationary speed cameras, but a cop tucked away in a tight twisty bit out of his car well thats news to me.
The video evidence is accessable by appointment only, the fine for not reveiling who the rider is $10.000.
If you request information, especially as an official information request relating to the incident they have either give you it within 20 days, or give good reason why not.
If you plead not guilty and request a court hearing, they have to give you it for defence evidence (make the application verbally to the JP at the prelimenary hearing, and DO NOT take any notice of the letter from the police stating that you do not have attend).

As for laser gun deployment, the police policy and operation guidelines state it must be employed on a stretch of road that is staight for at least 250mtrs.

[Sketchy Snr]

If you request information, especially as an official information request relating to the incident they have either give you it within 20 days, or give good reason why not.
If you plead not guilty and request a court hearing, they have to give you it for defence evidence (make the application verbally to the JP at the prelimenary hearing, and DO NOT take any notice of the letter from the police stating that you do not have attend).

As for laser gun deployment, the police policy and operation guidelines state it must be employed on a stretch of road that is staight for at least 250mtrs.

Thanks chap, not sure about how the rules work on videoing. Would be nice if it came under the same catagory because there is no way there was 250mtrs

[Number 5]

I am picking you were over the centre line if the charge is failing to keep left.

Meh, write in and argue, see if you get off or not.

My advice, pay the ticket and learn a lesson, at least you got a ticket for it mate, you could have been dead.

While I agree with all those berating people who cross the center line, as I have had near misses from both cars and bikes on the wrong side of the road, keeping to the letter of the road code unless there is a continuous yellow line you can cross the white line if you have clear vision for at least 100 mtrs, as such you should not be charged with failing to keep left (details for this charge previously stated), instead the charge could be careles or dangerous use of a motor vehicle likely to cause an accident.

As to just 'pay the ticket' why should you if you haven't done anything illegal, paying the ticket (admitting guilt) has further implications as to driving history that has an effect on your insurance premiums and even job applications

[Number 5]

Thanks chap, not sure about how the rules work on videoing. Would be nice if it came under the same catagory because there is no way there was 250mtrs
I will try and find out for you.
Appearing at court is not expensive, the fine plus court costs, usually between $50 to $130 if found guilty, but it gives you the opportunity to state your story of the events, and for the police to state exactly what you did wrong, and question them as to exactly what offence you have committed, and not just the one liner on the infringement notice, something they find hard to do sometimes believe me.

[Patrick]

On balance, I agree. Each of us has 'our' bit of road. We need to stay in it. SPMan has the right idea...we get better at what we practice, and lazy driving will set you up for disaster.
That said, I'm not so sure that every head-on meets your parameters...(you're a cop, so I'm honour-bound to argue with you)

Depends on which bit one claims as "their bit of the road..."

As for the parameters, someone is always on the wrong side, and that someone always thinks the way is clear... yet there are head ons. Go figure.....


I have to agree with plod on this one.

Cough.... splutter.... choke......:gob::msn-wink::niceone:


....but when you can see ahead of you i think threre is no reason why you carnt cross the white line....

And the law argument is.... unless overtaking and as long as there is nothing wrong with your side of the road, why not stay on your side of the road... for the reasons posted earlier, and again as above in this post... again....?


Thanks chap, not sure about how the rules work on videoing. Would be nice if it came under the same catagory because there is no way there was 250mtrs

Coz it aint a speed matter. It's a poor driving behaviour.


While I agree with all those berating people who cross the center line, as I have had near misses from both cars and bikes on the wrong side of the road, keeping to the letter of the road code unless there is a continuous yellow line you can cross the white line if you have clear vision for at least 100 mtrs, as such you should not be charged with failing to keep left (details for this charge previously stated), instead the charge could be careles or dangerous use of a motor vehicle likely to cause an accident.

As to just 'pay the ticket' why should you if you haven't done anything illegal, paying the ticket (admitting guilt) has further implications as to driving history that has an effect on your insurance premiums and even job applications

Failing to keep left "IS" illegal.... always has been. It is not new.


....and for the police to state exactly what you did wrong, and question them as to exactly what offence you have committed, and not just the one liner on the infringement notice, something they find hard to do sometimes believe me.

Ummm... "Failing to keep left" is the usual charge. Kind of explains it quite well, I thought....... and not hard to do at all.... ???

[Fatjim]

Mate, its cheaper in NZ to be guilty than innocent.

Pay da man, move on.

[Number 5]

Depends on which bit one claims as "their bit of the road..."

As for the parameters, someone is always on the wrong side, and that someone always thinks the way is clear... yet there are head ons. Go figure.....



Cough.... splutter.... choke......:gob::msn-wink::niceone:



And the law argument is.... unless overtaking and as long as there is nothing wrong with your side of the road, why not stay on your side of the road... for the reasons posted earlier, and again as above in this post... again....?



Coz it aint a speed matter. It's a poor driving behaviour.



Failing to keep left "IS" illegal.... always has been. It is not new.



Ummm... "Failing to keep left" is the usual charge. Kind of explains it quite well, I thought....... and not hard to do at all.... ???

All I can say to that is - let the JP decide, a lot of money has been made defending these charges, and agree failing to keep left is the usual charge - where there has been an incident, and to repeat a lot of money made defending where their has been no incident.

[MSTRS]

Depends on which bit one claims as "their bit of the road..."

As for the parameters, someone is always on the wrong side, and that someone always thinks the way is clear... yet there are head ons. Go figure.....

All right, Mr Pedantic :whistle: -the bit of road where the centre line is on one's right. Guesswork required where there is no centreline.
What about all those headons that occur through inattention, driver nodding off, taking a corner too fast and drifting wide, tourists getting confused...


All I can say to that is - let the JP decide, a lot of money has been made defending these charges, and agree failing to keep left is the usual charge - where there has been an incident, and to repeat a lot of money made defending where their has been no incident.

So you are fine with doing a wheelie through a crowded shopping precinct as long as nothing goes wrong? Or Russian roulette...

[roogazza]

So, I haven't read all of the thread, but where are the cameras being put exactly and how eg, in a van , on a tripod, or can you see someone standing there filming ?
Hopefully I'm up too early in the morning for these guys. G.

[u4ea]

Unless it was over double yellow lines then it sounds like they've got nothing better to do .

Mind you , if they did the same to 4 wheel drive owners they'd make a fortune on this road.




Funny thing is, bikes do not feature too highly in the numbers. Trucks definitely. Cars usually...

Wrong side of road is the issue with head ons. On every occasion, the wrongdoer thought they had clear road...... This smacks not of revenue gathering, but of people who can't/won't stay on their side of the road. Simple, really.....

Your choice.

And when are you gunna take details of those cyclists who ride 4 abreast or take the whole road(such as Akataras) and you have no farking choice but to cross the centre line to safely pass as it is impossible to stay to the left due to their arrogant and ignoraqnt road use behaviour..those fuckers dont pay rego(for their bycycles) for road use nor do they have an identifying plate for anyone to complain or have their identity known if filmed.....I dont know how many near misses Ive had had because of them.:argh:

[carbonhed]

So, I haven't read all of the thread, but where are the cameras being put exactly and how eg, in a van , on a tripod, or can you see someone standing there filming ?
Hopefully I'm up too early in the morning for these guys. G.

If you're heading south it was about a quarter of the way to Battle Hill from the summit in the really twisty bit with the nice asphalt surface... It was a camera on a tripod with a cop sitting behind it taking numbers and I think his car was up a driveway.

HTH.

Are you going over early on a bike? What's the conditions like?

[crazyhorse]

Has anyone else been issued with a video recording ticket from the 19th, i am being done for Failing to keep left. I'm picking i was cutting a corner. Is this legit ???

Yes it will be legit - a couple of years ago, or maybe even last year, I know of quite a few people being targeted out State Highway 50 - Just south of Hastings. If you cut the corner, then you got a ticket - the camera was placed up on a hill on private land, and it made alot of people mad!

We all cut corners at times, esp when its safe to do so - but the road rules are clear, so yes you can be done for it.

Good news is, if they're targeting your area, then they're leaving mine alone LOL

[carbonhed]

We all cut corners at times, esp when its safe to do so


You must take the time to post a photo of the certificate confirming you "planetary spokesperson".... yer folks must be bursting with pride.

How often do you cut corners when it's not safe to do so?

I don't cut corners and neither do the people I ride with.

[allycatz]

[QUOTE=carbonhed;1129275827]If you're heading south it was about a quarter of the way to Battle Hill from the summit in the really twisty bit with the nice asphalt surface... It was a camera on a tripod with a cop sitting behind it taking numbers and I think his car was up a driveway.

He was visible just as you came round a bend from the Paekak side but no way from South side...Id slowed down but I got the norty finger wave

[Number 5]

All right, Mr Pedantic :whistle: -the bit of road where the centre line is on one's right. Guesswork required where there is no centreline.
What about all those headons that occur through inattention, driver nodding off, taking a corner too fast and drifting wide, tourists getting confused...



So you are fine with doing a wheelie through a crowded shopping precinct as long as nothing goes wrong? Or Russian roulette...

Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').

The House of Representatives make the law, the Judiciary interpret the law not the police, and lawyers who spend 7 years learning their trade correct the police interpretation of the law.

The problem most of the time is the advice given saying plead guilty, and they do, even when they know they are in the right, and the pattern continues, remember it is only an alleged offence unless you pay up (pleading guilty) or the judge says your guilty)

While respecting the police and the difficult job they have to do (one I couldn't) there image is tarnished by some who think they wear a uniform and what they say is right, again let the JP/Judge decide.

Two cases in particular - my own speeding offence that went to court, advice given on here from our boys in blue - we are always right, we have a machine that says so, yeah right, a machine is only as good as its operator, and the judge didn't believe how it was operated.
Same story in another incident in the south island, but cost $60,000 plus costs(which I can't reveal here) to the ex-officer and the police .

and before anyone asks, I'm no white knight either, yes I have had a speeding fine before, and knowing I was speeding paid up.

[_STAIN_]

this is just the recent Marlborough / Nelson campaign moved further north. a little while ago heading up Kaikoura coast round tight LH into an easing RH. White van on LHS of road, 2 goons at the back of it standing on the left boarder line of the road with "their backs to me" Road is clear good visibility, so I pull a bit to the right away from the stupidity of standing on the road in a 100kph area with your back to approaching traffic. As I pass notice one of these dicks has a notebook and is writing. Oh crap that was a camera van, quick glance down 90kph.....em odd place to set up, would be much slower for average cage. 2 weeks later .....Ticket, driving in a lane over the centre line. What a crock of shit and feel it was a setup by their actions, they were not uniformed. No demerits...pay the money, not worth arguing against this photo evidence crap. Keep left for a while boys and girls....

[MSTRS]

Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').



Merely trying to put the sense of what you were saying in another context. Not trying to suggest you or anyone else would think it was ok to wheelie through...etc. Some do the cross yellow lines thing and cut corners too...sometimes they get caught. Admittedly, I wouldn't put it past (some) cops to manufacture a story behind a photo (the photo only proves that one is on the the wrong side of the road - it can't show whether there was a valid reason)

[Patrick]

.... What about all those headons that occur through inattention, driver nodding off, taking a corner too fast and drifting wide,

Call that "Careless Use..."

tourists getting confused...

Call that... "scary shit that no one can do much about..."

So you are fine with doing a wheelie through a crowded shopping precinct as long as nothing goes wrong? Or Russian roulette...

:laugh:


And when are you gunna take details of those cyclists who ride 4 abreast or take the whole road(such as Akataras) and you have no farking choice but to cross the centre line to safely pass as it is impossible to stay to the left due to their arrogant and ignoraqnt road use behaviour..those fuckers dont pay rego(for their bycycles) for road use nor do they have an identifying plate for anyone to complain or have their identity known if filmed.....I dont know how many near misses Ive had had because of them.:argh:

They call that, "Get a video..." and get their faces too......


Talk sense, are motorcycles allowed in a shopping precinct!!!!!!!!!

Yes they are. Cars are allowed too... as well as buses, taxis and couriers. Small trucks only though.....

The thread is about interpretation of a specific law, or is it a rule as its really about what the road code says (bear in mind that we have continuous yellow lines that you can't cross, they are NOT 'no over taking lines').

Yes... it is a law, not a road code "guide." Keep left. Otherwise....

While respecting the police and the difficult job they have to do (one I couldn't) there image is tarnished by some who think they wear a uniform and what they say is right, again let the JP/Judge decide.

As is everyones right. But when there is film of the wrong doing, what is the point? Wasting the courts time? Judges might just notice that..... and when it is put through the courts, disqualification is possible.

Two cases in particular - my own speeding offence that went to court, advice given on here from our boys in blue - we are always right, we have a machine that says so, yeah right, a machine is only as good as its operator, and the judge didn't believe how it was operated.

He must have been given a ticket recently. You got lucky, perhaps?

Same story in another incident in the south island, but cost $60,000 plus costs(which I can't reveal here) to the ex-officer and the police .

Only cost to the Police was an employee. The $$$$ is his and his alone to bear......

and before anyone asks, I'm no white knight either, yes I have had a speeding fine before, and knowing I was speeding paid up.

So you weren't speeding in the matter described above, where you got off? No wonder you got off then...


this is just the recent Marlborough / Nelson campaign moved further north. a little while ago heading up Kaikoura coast round tight LH into an easing RH. White van on LHS of road, 2 goons at the back of it standing on the left boarder line of the road with "their backs to me" Road is clear good visibility, so I pull a bit to the right away from the stupidity of standing on the road in a 100kph area with your back to approaching traffic. As I pass notice one of these dicks has a notebook and is writing. Oh crap that was a camera van, quick glance down 90kph.....em odd place to set up, would be much slower for average cage. 2 weeks later .....Ticket, driving in a lane over the centre line. What a crock of shit and feel it was a setup by their actions, they were not uniformed. No demerits...pay the money, not worth arguing against this photo evidence crap. Keep left for a while boys and girls....

You would have a defence for this.....


Merely trying to put the sense of what you were saying in another context. Not trying to suggest you or anyone else would think it was ok to wheelie through...etc. Some do the cross yellow lines thing and cut corners too...sometimes they get caught. Admittedly, I wouldn't put it past (some) cops to manufacture a story behind a photo (the photo only proves that one is on the the wrong side of the road - it can't show whether there was a valid reason)

A photo speaks a thousand words. Imagine what a video would tell.......

[Number 5]

Copied from a police document on their focus 2008 - 2010,
4 Dangerous/Careless Driving
This focus includes areas such as:
intersections•
failing to keep left•
driving while fatigued or drowsy•
driver distraction.•
Contribution to Trauma
Intersections and Failing to Keep Left
These two areas target trauma-promoting offences such as failing to give way or stop at intersections, and failing to keep left on the open road. These types of offences are basic non-compliance with the road code. They increase the risk of a traffic crash or the severity of injuries received in a crash. They feature in the top six causes of fatal or injury crashes.
These types of crashes are of particular concern to motorcyclists. Statistics indicate that the two most common crash situations involving motorcyclists are:
intersection crashes which usually involve the motorcyclist with legal right of way being • hit by a vehicle; and
single vehicle crashes where a motorcyclist loses control and runs off the road.•

http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2008/road-policing-strategy-to-2010/road-policing-strategy-to-2010.pdf

Be aware also that efforts are being made to ticket you for speeding even if you aren't, if you are doing 90 in a 100 zone and if they decide it is inappropriate for the conditions you get a ticket, Legal will be watching the outcome closely.

[MSTRS]

Be aware also that efforts are being made to ticket you for speeding even if you aren't, if you are doing 90 in a 100 zone and if they decide it is inappropriate for the conditions you get a ticket, Legal will be watching the outcome closely.

Now that is a whole other can of worms. The ticket could not be for 'speeding' though. Would have to be 'careless' or some such.

[u4ea]

They call that, "Get a video..." and get their faces too......



And that would be dangerous driving or something while videoing said face and riding motorcycle .. I got hold of one of those police test books when a mate was thinking of joining...I got more questions right than her..... go figure ..