Shed night

[warewolf]

...a motorcycle support group...

It's simple, really. We all congregate at someone's shed, fiddle with bikes, down some bevvies, and talk shite. Not just a social night, but a chance to get some help with skills or equipment to maintain your bike.

For new riders, it's a great opportunity to learn from the more experienced.

If you have any specific jobs you would like assistance with, post here and ppl can offer to help. Ditto if you need some extra tools to get something done.

Dates and sheds to be arranged herein.

All care and no responsibility!

[warewolf]

Right, first one: Calendar event here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2065&day=2009-7-2&c=1)

Where: Warewolf's shed (PM for address)
When: Thursday 2nd July, 7:00pm onwards

So far we have the following jobs to do:


<del>Check the valve clearances on Padmei's KLR650 (shim over bucket... fun), plus tap a new footpeg bolt hole.</del><br>Padmei can't make it now.
Get Willdat?'s newly acquired DR250 running, and possibly Warewolf's similar.
Check/set the sag on Warewolf's 640A.
CrazyFrog will change a tyre on his bike, timed to set the benchmark. :Punk:
No doubt there'll be more, I've always got a long list of jobs to be done.

I have a motorcycle trailer which ppl can borrow if necessary, but Willdat? has first dibs this time.

I'll put the kettle on... :drinkup:

[MIXONE]

Onya mate.A bloody good idea.

[Woodman]

Can I be so bold as to profer a suggestion for the tyre changing?

It must be done with the tools you usually carry on your bike with you.

Thats all.

Goodnight.

[NordieBoy]

Can I be so bold as to profer a suggestion for the tyre changing?

It must be done with the tools you usually carry on your bike with you.

Thats all.

Goodnight.

Why yes, I do always ride with a SidChrome toolbox bungied to the back...

[warewolf]

Good suggestion, if we are having a "change-off".

BLOODY competitive males!!!

[MyGSXF]

Good suggestion, if we are having a "change-off".

OOohhh... can I watch...??? :shifty: can I.. can I.. huh...???? :doobey:

[Willdat?]

Awesome! I'm happy to pick up any other bikes that need trailering :yes:

[Woodman]

Good suggestion, if we are having a "change-off".

BLOODY competitive males!!!

Worried now about pinched tubes

[Underground]

Wow I didnt realise this was one of those events thats so important it requires enrolment ! Im going to be one of those people who enrolls and then may or may not show up .

[NordieBoy]

Too many people and they'll need a second BBQ.

[warewolf]

Wow I didnt realise this was one of those events thats so important it requires enrolment ! Im going to be one of those people who enrolls and then may or may not show up .More a case of I put it on the calendar so other ppl can find it, may as well use the feature.


Too many people and they'll need a second BBQ.You either get the heater, or the bbq. Can't do both unless we crank the bbq up to 11.

[NordieBoy]

We could just set fire to a spare Honda...


I've got a spare gas bottle here if needed...

[CrazyFrog]

Sorry boys, I'm playing with aircraft on Thurs PM, so no go for me.
Looks like Woody might win the tyre changing race by default :( (I don't like changing cold tyres anyway).

[Woodman]

Sorry boys, I'm playing with aircraft on Thurs PM, so no go for me.
Looks like Woody might win the tyre changing race by default :( (I don't like changing cold tyres anyway).

Will have to do the tyre change another time because if i take me wheel off the bike will fall off the stand and then when I go to buy another broken part I will have to lie about how I did it.

WW what is your addy. Pm if you like.

[warewolf]

WW what is your addy. Pm if you like.Check my user profile, as a 'friend' you can see the detail there.

I have more stands etc to stop your bike falling over??

[Woodman]

Check my user profile, as a 'friend' you can see the detail there.

I have more stands etc to stop your bike falling over??

Cheers I will look, bike is going again now so will probarbly ride in and not cage it.

[Underground]

looks like I wont be coming over today as the appointment we had has been cancelled . Besides the road (Maungatapu) is blocked isnt it?
Might pop over for a ride tomorrow tho ,if I can find an alternate route.

[NordieBoy]

I'll bring the DR and valve adjustment kit.


And 15mm ring spanner.
Seems Warewolf has a 15mm ring that needs adjusting...

[warewolf]

Well I'd call that a success, despite Willdat's bike refusing to do much apart from backfire in an enclosed space, thereby making us all deaf.

Thanks Nordie but Woodman beat you to it and adjusted it. He also offered the useful advice of loosening it before tightening it again.

ZK-Awesome's GB250 has the RFVC head with screw and locknut adjusters. The screws have the small square top like a DR. They were all 0.05+mm so can stay that way until we get a) the correct spec and b) the chance to do them with the bike fully cold. At least we know what we are faced with now.

Bring on the next one!

[NordieBoy]

Without the rain next time :D

[Willdat?]

The rain didn't bother me :sweatdrop:

Cheers for the help guys, will drop off the bike at Nelson Motorcycle Centre when I return the trailer this afternoon!

[NordieBoy]

Cheers for the help guys, will drop off the bike at Nelson Motorcycle Centre when I return the trailer this afternoon!

For gods sake don't tell them we worked on it!

:innocent:

[warewolf]

For gods sake don't tell them we worked on it!

:innocent:Is that a royal "we"?

Just don't tell them Fran worked on it. Or do tell them, but let me be there to see the expressions on their faces :D

What did I say last night? "Fix it till it breaks..." :yes:

[NordieBoy]

Is that a royal "we"?

Just don't tell them Fran worked on it. Or do tell them, but let me be there to see the expressions on their faces :D

What did I say last night? "Fix it till it breaks..." :yes:

"Oh it was just a bunch of guys off the internet drinking beer and trying to fix it..."

[MyGSXF]

Bugger.. couldn't get there last night.... :crybaby: when is the next one...??? :shifty:

[ZK-Awesome]

Thanks for a good night, I learned heaps! And yep the GB still ran well since being reassembled. Bring on the next one, hopefully I'll have the exact numbers for the valve clearances so I can do a proper adjustment.

[JATZ]

The rain didn't bother me :sweatdrop:

Cheers for the help guys, will drop off the bike at Nelson Motorcycle Centre when I return the trailer this afternoon!

Your bike pisses me off.........It should go :angry2:

I reakon a bit more time, a can of ether, and a tow rope and you'd be away

[NordieBoy]

Your bike pisses me off.........It should go :angry2:

I reakon a bit more time, a can of ether, and a tow rope and you'd be away

And some earmuffs.

Don't forget the earmuffs...

[Padmei]

Cheers for the help guys, will drop off the bike at Nelson Motorcycle Centre when I return the trailer this afternoon!

Um I ahem won't be able to make the next one or the one after that

[warewolf]

I reakon a bit more time, a can of ether, and a tow rope and you'd be awayYeah, and if the bugger don't start, don't tow him back! :lol:

Then he'd really be AWAY. :lol:


Um I ahem won't be able to make the next one or the one after thatWe don't know when they'll be yet. You <del>psycho</del> psychic?

[NordieBoy]

Your bike pisses me off.........It should go :angry2:

I reakon a bit more time, a can of ether, and a tow rope and you'd be away

Dodgy stator maybe?
'Bout the only electrical bit we didn't get to.


Had the same problem on the DRZ, but on mine the problem was a burnt out coil on the stator. The simptoms of this is weak spark, which makes it n bugger to start and idle in the cold. you can test this by taking out your sparkplug and holding it close to the cylinder head. you should be able to get a spark of about 10mm if all is still good.
From here... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129289226&postcount=27

[Woodman]

Your bike pisses me off.........It should go :angry2:

I reakon a bit more time, a can of ether, and a tow rope and you'd be away

i am sorta glad there wasn't any ether there, we woulda had the armed offenders squad round.

[Willdat?]

That does sound like a likely candidate, my DR-Z gets taken away tomorrow so I'll officially be bikeless until NMC get it sorted.

[warewolf]

Next Shed night looming...

Main point raised recently is how to set suspension sag, and what it all means. I can bring numerous references, how to's, etc as material for discussion; and a bike that wants the fork preload changed and measured.

[Woodman]

Next Shed night looming...

Main point raised recently is how to set suspension sag, and what it all means. I can bring numerous references, how to's, etc as material for discussion; and a bike that wants the fork preload changed and measured.

Ok, how about wednesday night 29th of July in my shed. I am pretty flexible if this is inconvenient for a few of yous.

[JATZ]

Ok, how about wednesday night 29th of July in my shed. I am pretty flexible if this is inconvenient for a few of yous.

Yup :woohoo:

[warewolf]

Should be fine for me.

[NordieBoy]

Dodgy stator maybe?
'Bout the only electrical bit we didn't get to.

They replaced the plug cap and stator :D

[ZK-Awesome]

Wednesday 29 sounds good to me, I'll come after work.

[Willdat?]

Now the bike is at the shop being made reliable (Morleys this time, as far as I could get the bike under its own steam)...possible top end rebuild. A guy Richard is working on it, he's currently working on a 1979 DR370 VMX bike so I figured he was qualified enough. Suspension set up woul be great to play with, I'll definitely be there, bike or no bike.

[warewolf]

They replaced the plug cap and stator :DYes was going to say, well done that man! :clap:

[Willdat?]

Got the 'estimate' today...I almost figured I might as well give the bike away, but then had another think and figured I couldn't know the history of any other bike in this price bracket, so I've told them to go for it. I am going to own this bike forever!

[Padmei]

Hey were you posting here so I wouldn't see it - well didn't work did it. I have a copy of twisting throttle Oz if someone wants a good quick funny read. Might do a quick grease of the steering bearings while there wil be another set of hands.

[Woodman]

Hey were you posting here so I wouldn't see it - well didn't work did it. I have a copy of twisting throttle Oz if someone wants a good quick funny read. Might do a quick grease of the steering bearings while there wil be another set of hands.

Good looks like a few coming.

Any other particular jobs need doing by anyone? I have a few tools, couple of welders and a lathe(but no cutting tips)

come in any time after 7-ish.

Addy is 5 Idesia Grove Richmond. (is it ok to post addys here?)

[warewolf]

Any other particular jobs need doing by anyone?


Tyre & tube change
Preload adjustment on front forks
Show 'n' tell, discussion on suspension setup & adjustment esp. preload


(is it ok to post addys here?)Probably but generally not a good idea to do so publicly. The friends system allows you to share your details with only the ppl you specify, which is a bit safer. Alternatively PM those that request it.

[MyGSXF]

Very enjoyable evening, thanks everyone!! :Punk:

Tis fun watching boys playing with their toys... :shifty:

[warewolf]

Cheers Nigel!

With 5mm less preload on the front, it is noticeably more supple so probably a good thing. Will be interesting to test again at Waimea.

The numbers show that the springs are definitely too soft but some of the harshness should be gone.

[ZK-Awesome]

Cheers everyone, I learned heaps, again.

However I may have to flag the sidestand-pirouettes before I break my sidestand :pinch:

[Woodman]

was good, making me get motivated to start on the benelli again.

hey jatz, you left your beer behind, not that i'm complaining mmmm macs Gold

[JATZ]

was good, making me get motivated to start on the benelli again.

hey jatz, you left your beer behind, not that i'm complaining mmmm macs Gold

'tis good maners to leave something for the host :2thumbsup:

Didn't "learn" a hell of a lot but still a good catch up session

[Willdat?]

I learnt heaps about suspension...I want to know what the oil level in my forks is! I might go visit Morleys this afternoon.

[warewolf]

Hey! I just found the owner's manual for my CBX250 :clap: I was fairly sure I'd made a copy.

You are welcome to have a look and/or copy. Valve clearances are IN: 0.05mm and EX: 0.08mm, cold. Use the "T" mark on the generator rotor. Doesn't list fork oil height, but IIRC when I bought fork oil, the shop had a book from the oil ppl listing the number.

[Willdat?]

I'm keen for another shed night, want to show off the Shanyang, I know everyone wants a go...I could offer my place but a single garage is on the little side...

[Ruralman]

Very enjoyable evening, thanks everyone!! :Punk:

Tis fun watching boys playing with their toys... :shifty:

I wonder what sort of images it would conjure up hearing that the girls were having a night to play with their toys ?:innocent:

[warewolf]

I'm keen for another shed nightI'm happy to host again if no-one else volunteers.

[Woodman]

I'm happy to host again if no-one else volunteers.

ok When?????

[Underground]

I've got a KTM 400 that seems to need a bit of attention http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=105876
Or maybe thats a bad idea.... a bunch of people drinking beer and taking turns to undo bits off a motor .

[warewolf]

I've got a base gasket to change, so there may be more than one lc4 on the bench!!

Will check with her indoors, probably around 2 weeks away to give ppl notice.

[Underground]

My lc4 is going to reside in a fish bin till then :weep:
Couldnt take the cylinder off without a 15mm ring spanner (odd size aye)
so make sure you have one of those WW
Big probs inside mine ,con rod bearings , crack around the bore .
should be an interesting evening.
Anyone got a spare lc4 400,600,640 motor ??

[Willdat?]

I'm away on a school camp from 14-18 September, but otherwise any night would be great - I've got a 15 mm ring spanner. But WW will have one I'm sure...

[topo]

[QUOTE=
Anyone got a spare lc4 400,600,640 motor ??[/QUOTE]

Yip, swap ya for a 650@:whistle:

[Underground]

Yip, swap ya for a 650@:whistle:

Yeah right :tugger:

[warewolf]

Couldnt take the cylinder off without a 15mm ring spanner (odd size aye)
so make sure you have one of those WW


But WW will have one I'm sure...It's only an odd size if you are used to jappers... But I had to borrow one at the first shed night to re-torque my cylinder as the first pass on stopping the base gasket leak I now have to fix.

Ok, here we go, calendar event here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2115&day=2009-9-7&)

Where: Warewolf's shed (PM for address)
When: Monday 7th September, 7:00pm onwards

Job list:


Compare the internals of Underground's LC4 400 with Warewolf's LC4 640.
NOTE: Can someone bring a 15mm ring spanner, please?
Strip/clean carb on Warewolf's DR250, see if she'll fire up.
Lube & install ZK-Awesome's new clutch cable

Anything else? Anyone?

[Willdat?]

Adjust the front drum on my Shanyng SY50 as I'm convinced it can't be as bad as it is. Also a quick look at the headset bearings/front suspension. Very clunky...

Then we can have a wheelie competition on it...:rolleyes:

[NordieBoy]

See who can do a wheelie over it?

[Willdat?]

I don't know if that would be challenging enough...she's not exactly a big bike. :dodge:

[Willdat?]

Morleys just rang me...new piston, new rings, oversize rebore, new valves, new valve seats, new gudgeon pin and the bike still has the same problem it had when I took it in there, 7 weeks ago :argue:

Dieing as soon as the throttle is opened up, he reckons new CDI. I think I'll probably just pick it up and take it home, rewire the bike, and pick up a second hand CDI when I find one?

[NordieBoy]

With all that done it should go quite nicely once it's running.

Borrow Warewolf's CDI and take it around to them to test in the bike...

[Willdat?]

Good thinking 99...will see if Colin is around.

[Willdat?]

Warewolf's CDI, same problem...bugger.

[Willdat?]

I think I'm going to pay the bill, bring it home and rewire it slowly, carefully and neatly.

Unless anyone has any other ideas why it will run with the choke on when cold (not perfectly, but enough to get you 500m down the road or so). Once the choke is off and warm it will start fine, but die as soon as the throttle is opened up. That and check that the stator is all good...

[NordieBoy]

That to me feels carbish.

Does it rev ok with the choke on?

[JATZ]

That to me feels carbish.

Does it rev ok with the choke on?

I'm thinking it's fuel issues too, might be worth trying werewolfs carb aswell

[warewolf]

Yep, sounds to me like a carb issue. Some thoughts:

If you had a weak spark, it would run better at idle when warm than cold, as it takes a stronger spark to ignite the cold rich mixture. Weak spark is the only (electrical) reason it would misfire when revved, as more revs requires better spark. That's assuming the CDI takes care of advance, which in this case it does.

There's a few places you could try for more info; thumpertalk.com, dsn_dr or similar DR-specific list, or even advrider.com (thumpers or a tech forum). There's some pretty clued-up ppl on those, in amongst all the noise.

[Willdat?]

Does it rev ok with the choke on?


It does when cold (with a little coughing and spluttering to expected from a cold bike being revved out with the choke on). But once warm it won't rev even with the choke.

[Woodman]

It does when cold (with a little coughing and spluttering to expected from a cold bike being revved out with the choke on). But once warm it won't rev even with the choke.

Mine did that the other day after raising the needle. it was the diaphragm not seated proper when I put the top back on the carb. Possible vacuum issues??

warewolf you should still have my 15 mm spanner from the first shed night.

[Willdat?]

Mine did that the other day after raising the needle. it was the diaphragm not seated proper when I put the top back on the carb. Possible vacuum issues??

Carb is being disassembled today - there was a few perish lines in the diaphragm when we pulled it apart at the first shed night.

[ZK-Awesome]

Anything else? Anyone?

Yep, got a new clutch cable to lube then install, hopefully someone can help me through it! (for a start the straw on the WD40 can is too big to go in the hole of the luber tool)

[warewolf]

No worries, also have a lube gadget that works.

You know you have to put the straw in before you tighten the clamp around the hose, eh?

[ZK-Awesome]

I didn't know that but I just tried it, the straw still doesn't fit :( Ah well, bring on shed night! Hopefully the old one will get me up the lake tomorrow.

[ZK-Awesome]

I won't be bringing the bike tomorrow night, it pooed itself when I was up the lake earlier today, had to get it trailered back.

[warewolf]

I won't be bringing the bike tomorrow night, it pooed itself when I was up the lake earlier today, had to get it trailered back.Arse. 'Spose we'll hear about it tomorrow?


warewolf you should still have my 15 mm spanner from the first shed night.Ah, didn't realise it was still here - it is, I checked.

[ZK-Awesome]

Arse. 'Spose we'll hear about it tomorrow?

Yep, I should be there about 8 as I have to work beforehand.

[MyGSXF]

Hope you boys had a good night tonight.. I had to take Alex to the Dr's instead.. :bye: He got a bee sting yesterday & the Antihistamine wasn't working.. plus to top my day off.. I stood on a nail while getting the firewood in :argh:

[earl]

you are mad if you pay the bill!!!!

[NordieBoy]

you are mad if you pay the bill!!!!

I thought bees did it for free?

[Willdat?]

I thought bees did it for free?

I wonder if this is talking to me?

[MyGSXF]

I wonder if this is talking to me?

Would say so.. he's a "noobie" & might not know how to do the "quote" thingee, so that the rest of us know what he talking about... :rolleyes:

[Willdat?]

For those that are interested...I've got drag bars on my Shanyang now! Looks pretty cool, after a round headlight with room for a wiring loom in the back now if anyone has one around the place

And I don't want to talk about my DR250...$1900 + estimated $200 to get the stator rewound.

[ZK-Awesome]

Talked to Morleys, they pulled the side off the engine, its farked. Apparently the big end bearing has collapsed. And just as warm weather was rolling around!

So now I have to put in a transplant engine if it's economical, or scrap the bike. Has anyone been through this before? I'm determined not to follow the path of a certain DR250 owner...

Any idea how much I'd get for the bike if I were to sell it as is...?

[warewolf]

Bugger!!!


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[Willdat?]

I'm determined not to follow the path of a certain DR250 owner...



And the story continues...apparently the stator was fine (had to be sent to Auckland to work that out). We're now left at "magnets loose on the flywheel"?! I'm taking my complete bottom end into them to have a play.

And a dodgy trigger switch (something to do with the stator), which I don't really understand either...

[NordieBoy]

And the story continues...apparently the stator was fine (had to be sent to Auckland to work that out). We're now left at "magnets loose on the flywheel"?! I'm taking my complete bottom end into them to have a play.

And a dodgy trigger switch (something to do with the stator), which I don't really understand either...

Shane's KDX stator plays up but only when hot...
Makes it difficult to troubleshoot.

[warewolf]

Creak, groan, fooff! Just blowing the cobwebs off this thread.

Next shed night & bbq: calendar event here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2562&day=2010-7-16&c=1)

Where: Warewolf's shed (PM for address)
When: Friday 16^th July, BBQ 5:00pm onwards

cooneyr will be up from Chch. I will be prepping the 640 for the XC on Sunday.

The bbq will be fired up at 5 o'clock, feel free to bring dinner along.

Job list:


Fit stronger fork springs, included as part of fork oil change
swap EXC front end on to the 640
Fit knobbly tyre to the 950S
Check/set sag
... anything else??

We will be doing a short ride on Saturday which may take some time - fiddling with suspension setup. Probably find a 5-10minute loop in Sharlands that has a bit of everything, to test the suspension. Ride, change, ride, change, repeat.

[cooneyr]

We could have races to see who can pump the 950S rear tyre (140/80-18 or 120/100-18) up to 30psi with a MTB pump the fastest. Good for the arms ;)

[NordieBoy]

We could have races to see who can pump the 950S rear tyre (140/80-18 or 120/100-18) up to 30psi with a MTB pump the fastest. Good for the arms ;)

For the ones who arn't racing on Sunday :D

[MyGSXF]

... anything else??


I have a gsx400f that needs a good clean & polish ready for sale...... :shifty:

[MyGSXF]

I'm taking my complete bottom end into them to have a play.


:shit: by crikey W...... sounds.. ummm.. :confused: errr.. interesting..... does H know about this.....??!!?? :shutup:

[NordieBoy]

I have a gsx400f that needs a good clean & polish ready for sale...... :shifty:

I take it that it is newer than 1982?

[Willdat?]

:shit: by crikey W...... sounds.. ummm.. :confused: errr.. interesting..... does H know about this.....??!!?? :shutup:

Oh dear, of course us mature boys never picked that up...no bottom end fiddling this time but I wouldn't mind having a go at sorting the front brake on the XLR, if I can get the spline arounda little further I'll get some adjustment back. At the moment it's very lowtech ABS like...

[Woodman]

Oh dear, of course us mature boys never picked that up...no bottom end fiddling this time but I wouldn't mind having a go at sorting the front brake on the XLR, if I can get the spline arounda little further I'll get some adjustment back. At the moment it's very lowtech ABS like...

Effective brakes are over rated Will.

[cooneyr]

Effective brakes are over rated Will.

Said the KLR rider ;)

[Willdat?]

Effective brakes are over rated Will.

Yeah, but I don't need any more excuses for falling off...brake lever is touching the bars as is.

Ullrich will only sell me a 1200x600 sheet of 3mm Aluminium $56+GST, anyone else have any uses for it? I only need 400 x 200 for my bashplate...I'll happily go halvesies if someone else wants the rest?

[NordieBoy]

I'd be up for half for the DR400F but I think I may be needing 6mm to keep the headers under the engine in 4 pieces.

Do you want to try my 50k sign?
2.5mm with plastic on top.
Zip tie it on and it'll stop any flying rocks.
Cut it with a jigsaw.
Bash it back into shape with a rubber mallet.

[cooneyr]

I've got some 3 or maybe 4mm checker plate that I'll donate. I'll try and get it down to a small enough piece to transport up this weekend.

[Willdat?]

I've got some 3 or maybe 4mm checker plate that I'll donate. I'll try and get it down to a small enough piece to transport up this weekend.

Awesome, cheers mate, as long as you let me donate you a few beverages...400 x 200 is what I need :yes:

[cooneyr]

Got ya checker plate Will. I'll bring it along to the BBQ tonight.

[MyGSXF]

Excellent night!! Thanks heaps cooneyr for your help sorting the latest addition out!!! & to warewolf for your hospitality!! great to catch up with you all again!! :Punk: