Has anyone been ticket for breaching 70km/h learner restriction? [Archive]

Xsasinator

30th June 2009, 17:38

i been riding for about 6 months (time for me to go get my restricted) and have been going over the 70km limit, no L plate and after 10pm many a time for the last 5 months and 29 days - as long as you don't do anything that draws attention to yourself cops don't seem to mind, just don't do anything silly to draw attention to yourself, or crash.

Supermac Jr

30th June 2009, 17:38

Xsasinator

30th June 2009, 17:44

Yes! no, didn't do anything wrong (apart from going faster than 70). Did 98km/h on the motorway. $400

Did you have your L plate on?

Rosie

30th June 2009, 17:44

I am not aware of anyone getting a ticket for only exceeding the 70km/h rule. Generally people seem to get done for something else (no L plate, after 10.30pm, riding at 110+km/h etc), and the 70km/h thing gets tacked on with everything else.

There have been a number of threads about this over the years. If you do a search, you will get some more opinions on the matter.

MattRSK

30th June 2009, 17:51

oh I think it's a law.

Tony

1st July 2009, 19:54

Yes! no, didn't do anything wrong (apart from going faster than 70). Did 98km/h on the motorway. $400

Oh and the cop was in a really bad mood - just the way the cookie crumbles... [I was a bit less 'understanding' at the time]

Can you tell us how long ago this incident was?

Also curious to know if you had your L-Plates on?

thanks in advance.

Supermac Jr

8th July 2009, 12:56

Can you tell us how long ago this incident was?

Also curious to know if you had your L-Plates on?

thanks in advance.

Happened middle of March close to Silverdale (Hazard county ;) )

Yes. Did have my l-plate on.

Best is... had to make the 'donation' about a week before I qualified to sit my restricted. Obviously have my 'R' now

Lurch

8th July 2009, 13:20

I got done whilst riding in a safe manner doing 103km/h with my L-Plate on on the Wellington motorway north of Haywards hill.

I was polite to the female officer who was in a plain clothes car and she gave me a :angry2: about how I fell into the at-risk bracket for motorcycle age/bike/yadda yadda and even though she was wrong about this and I listened to her rant politely she still gave me a $400 dollar ticket and 25 demerits.

I have been driving for 15 years and have(had) a squeaky clean license.

She was a bitch for sure and must have been on the rag that week but still, it does happen. I never wore my L-plate again and never got pulled over again.

The Stranger

8th July 2009, 13:40

Has anyone here ever been ticketed for breaching the 70Km/h learner restriction?

Skidmark

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Aaron_newrider

8th July 2009, 13:49

If I got a ticket going under 110kmph I wouldn't be able to stop myself abusing the cop *english accent* "Are you having a laugh?"

Probably throw it back at him to be honest, even the politicans are saying it's a dumb rule ffs.....

I have respect for intelligent police, and police who are reasonable but not the arseholes.

DunerzNick

8th July 2009, 14:00

I don't ride with a L-plate for this reason. DOing 70km/h on a highway is a lot more dangerous than me (a learner) doing 100 km/h.

Ixion

8th July 2009, 15:07

jrandom

8th July 2009, 15:10

I had a meeting today with Ms Darien Fenton

Is she hot?

HDTboy

8th July 2009, 16:23

I have

The Stranger

8th July 2009, 16:41

Is she hot?

Well a blind man would be pleased to see her.

On second thoughts - probably not.

The Stranger

8th July 2009, 16:42

I have

Should have done a runner - if you're good enough.

JMemonic

8th July 2009, 17:12

Aaron_newrider

8th July 2009, 17:17

Ixion

8th July 2009, 17:29

As there is no minister who is there to change policy or not change it, anyone know how to get John Key thinking this is a good idea and to get it through now??

The National government has no Minister of Road Safety. His functions are subsumed in the Ministry of Transport, the Minister being Mr Joyce.

JMemonic

8th July 2009, 17:50

The National government has no Minister of Road Safety. His functions are subsumed in the Ministry of Transport, the Minister being Mr Joyce.

Ahh ok that explains things, so in effect there is only one person to deal with, shouldn't that make it easier in theory.

I gotta be honest I dont follow politics or that much it seems that the silliest of them all make it to the top, (just my opinion of course), but to me its not rocket engineering to work out 70Kph in a 100Kph zone is a hazard , hell they know cycles are and have put cycle lanes in all over for them, even banned them on some roads, isnt 90Kph is more sensible if they want to have a limit as that is already there for trailers.

Anyhow ranting on here is talking to the converted (or is that preaching to the perverted?), and the last actual politician gave me the distinct feeling of being in the presence of evil incarnate, or at least to check all my fingers were still attached after shaking his hand.

Keep up the good work.

gwigs

8th July 2009, 20:52

70k in a 100k zone....you may as well have a sign on your back saying "run me off the road".......:crazy:

Thani-B

8th July 2009, 23:12

Monkeymsea did. Of course he was going 112 on the motorway with L plates. And his reg was a few days expired.

Tony

11th July 2009, 16:34

I have

Can you tell us how fast you were going at the time?
How long ago was it?
Which district were you in?

Thanks in advance.

Tony

11th July 2009, 16:56

I had a meeting today with Ms Darien Fenton, the labour party Shadow Minister of Transport Safety (can you have a shadow minister when there is no minister ? never mind). Anyway she has offered to harass the Minister and try to get things rolling again on the Rule change. Don't hold your breath though.

As you say don't hold your breath. I wrote a letter to the NZTA asking why the date for the public consultation of this rule change (Driver Licensing Amendment 91001/6) has been postponed again another year to 2010. (ref http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/rules/progress.html#driver-licensing-6) and got this response...

I refer to your letter received in our offices on 19 June 2009 and your request, under the Official Infromation Act 1982 (the Act), for a copy of the Driver Licensing Amendment 91001/6. This proposed legislation is being drafted by the Parliamentary Counsel Office, upon instruction from the Ministy of Transport. We do not hold a current version of the draft rule and I have, therefore transferred your request, under section 14 of the Act, to the Ministry of Transport.

Thank you for the information you have provide in relation to the speed limit for learner motorcycle license holders. We have also referred this to the Ministry of Transport for comment.

Your sincerely
AM Duncan
Manager Rules.
[forwarded by the LTSA]

....and then I got this response from the Ministry of Transport

"On behalf of Hon Steven Joyce, Minister of Transprt, thank you for the copy of your letter [forwarded by the LTSA] of 19 June 2009 to the NZ Transport Agency (NZTA) requesting infromation under the Official Informatino Act. The Minister expects that the NZ Transport Agency will respond to your directly and thanks you for keeping him informed.

So now my request has gone back to the NZTA!?"

jono035

11th July 2009, 17:31

Let's invite him to be a Pilon on a KB ride, and then sit behind a learner rider going 70k's whilst cars try and get by, think he may get the idea?

Or he may shit his pants....

Quite effective this could be. But we would have to Pilon his security also....

That's not a half bad idea. Ask him if he would be happy with himself or his kids being in that situation, if he says no then ask what he is doing to get it changed, if he says yes, ask him when he is available to demonstrate this.

Ms Piggy

12th July 2009, 11:14

Has anyone here ever been ticketed for breaching the 70Km/h learner restriction?

If so did you do anything else to annoy the police officer or break any other rule at the time?

I am keen to know if this rule is still being policed?

Many thanks in advance for your responses.
The only time I have been pulled up on my bike was when I was breaking all the rules of my Learners: clocked at 113kms on the MW, no L plate and it was after 10pm. :spanking: I was very fortunate that the cop was kind enough to only ping me for exceeding 100km speed limit ($120 fine I think) but he did say he could have done me for breeching the conditions of my licence as well as speeding - which would have been a much bigger fine and more demerit points etc, etc.

The whole time I was on my Learners (which was far too long) even when wearing my L plate I still rode at 100kms on the MW and was never pulled up, my suggestion would be to get off your Learners ASAP and if you do get pulled over and pinged don't cry about it cos we all know the rules.

mossy1200

12th July 2009, 11:26

If you drove your car at 70 you would get ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.

steve_t

12th July 2009, 13:11

I was very fortunate that the cop was kind enough to only ping me for exceeding 100km speed limit ($120 fine I think) but he did say he could have done me for breeching the conditions of my licence as well as speeding - which would have been a much bigger fine and more demerit points etc, etc.

Man, females get off tickets or at least the full extent of fines all the time. It's not fair! But I guess it is understandable:Pokey: A girl that worked for me was clocked at 130km/h in her car. She got let off with a warning and told to "slow down, pretty eyes" :Oi: but I get a ticket and demerits for 111km/h a few weeks earlier :blank:

boman

12th July 2009, 13:48

Rode for 2 years doing 100 on a leaners. No L plate, no ticket, just dont do anything to draw attention to yourself. The police are not exactically going to pull up all bikers on the assumption that they might not have the correct liscense.

Ms Piggy

12th July 2009, 16:23

Man, females get off tickets or at least the full extent of fines all the time. It's not fair!
I think in my case it more my whinge about being a poor student than being a woman.

jetboy

12th July 2009, 20:59

70 km/h on the open road is silly.

jetboy

12th July 2009, 21:01

Man, females get off tickets or at least the full extent of fines all the time. It's not fair! But I guess it is understandable:Pokey: A girl that worked for me was clocked at 130km/h in her car. She got let off with a warning and told to "slow down, pretty eyes" :Oi: but I get a ticket and demerits for 111km/h a few weeks earlier :blank:
Maybe you don't have pretty eyes...?

:blink:

HDTboy

14th July 2009, 17:51

Can you tell us how fast you were going at the time?
How long ago was it?
Which district were you in?

Thanks in advance.

139km/h
3 years ago.
Waiouru. It was snowing.

120km/h
3.5 years ago
Rotorua

A few times I've not bothered stopping to find out what speed they alledge I was doing

obstacle

14th July 2009, 18:25

I rode without an L plate for fear of being done going over 70. Got pulled over because a cop followed me and ran my plate and found the owner (me) had a learners license. Done for doing over 70 and no L plate on the same ticket. $800 later I was off home to fit the L plate. The next week I got done doing 80 on an L plate on the north western adding another $400 to the mix. I'd been riding for 1.5 years on the learners without an L plate and hadn't had any problems. I should have stuck with not having it on.

KrazyGixxerBoy

15th July 2009, 10:38

Last time I got pulled over I had no licence at all and was on a FZR1000!! I had my full car licence and when the cop asked me for my licence I gave him my car one. He walked to his car and I was pretty sure I was done and dusted!! He came back after a few minutes, gave me back my licence, gave me my $80 ticket, told me to take it easy and off I went. He clearly didn't even check the licence classes on my licence.....Farkin lucky eh!

In saying that, I got pulled over on a VF750 custom years ago doing 142 out of the terrace tunnel and only got a hefty fine and a warning to get my licence....The cop said he rode too and he understood that it would be difficult for a guy my size (6"2, 120kg) to ride a 250cc bike.

Guess I've just been lucky....

cambridgedan

15th July 2009, 10:49

well ive never used an L plate, people will hate me on my bike more than they do, and have never stuck to the 70 rule, i ride Tauranga to Cambridge alot at least once a week, never had any trouble

duckonin

15th July 2009, 10:53

:innocent:I have to say this,it would pay to flick the L plate ride at a 100k's, or speed limit all of the time so as not to draw attention to yourself, you will be safer than at 70k's on an open road..As long as you can handle your bike,competently

One must do what one's gotta do to stay safe, those that make the silly rules never place them selves in more danger than being burnt by a hot cup of latte...

Ollie.T

16th July 2009, 18:55

What about for Insurance purposes? I know if something happens at >70km/h
you will probably have other worries, but think the insurance companies would say "Screw you, sucker!! You fix that ferrari that you somehow bashed up - And think we gonna cover the damage to your bike? Not a chance!!"

Im new to riding too, bought a GN250 about 2 weeks ago, been going at about 80km/h on the motorway... hopefully fast enough not to annoy too many other cars in the slow lane, not fast enough to get the angry cops onto me...

Milts

17th July 2009, 00:57

What about for Insurance purposes? I know if something happens at >70km/h
you will probably have other worries, but think the insurance companies would say "Screw you, sucker!! You fix that ferrari that you somehow bashed up - And think we gonna cover the damage to your bike? Not a chance!!"

This is an issue. However I hear that a cop in wellington said (off record) "yeah but they've gotta prove you were doing over 70 first". I've also had someone suggest that if you do ride without an L plate to avoid being pulled over for going >70 but <100 to take it with you and stick it on after a crash.

MarkH

19th July 2009, 00:13

I'd been riding for 1.5 years on the learners

I see the problem - you shoulda upgraded the license ASAP! The goofy 70kph limit is even more reason to pull finger and upgrade to restricted as soon as you can.

PrincessBandit

28th July 2009, 09:14

I see the problem - you shoulda upgraded the license ASAP! The goofy 70kph limit is even more reason to pull finger and upgrade to restricted as soon as you can.

Agree, If you don't want to be stuck at 70kph forever and a day (or face being ticketed for ignoring it) get your R after the minimum time on your L. 6 months is hardly that much of a fag having to face the speed restriction. And if you're a genuine learner rider then its not an unreasonable law. Yes, you might "outgrow" it quickly, but 6 months is hardly an eon to endure. Patience is a virtue which all motorists could do well to cultivate, and enduring a short period of speed limiting is not the end of the world.

jetboy

28th July 2009, 10:53

I got pulled over for doing 116km/h last Friday morning on my way to a trackday in Taupo - on learner licence and with no L plate.

When the cop pulled me over I was shitting myself - how could I possibly get out of this one as my licence is the blue learner one (although I have my full class 1).

When he came back with the ticket I looked at it - 20 demerits and a small fine...THANK GOD! I thanked him as he was a cool guy and I know I was breaking the law, and he looked at me like "yeah I know son, I had to give you a ticket for something but didn't want to shaft you".

I think 70km on the open road is silly and I too dont ride with the L plate for this reason.

one fast tl1ooo

28th July 2009, 14:54

well it gos like this, on way back to napier on my 750 doing a 136kph when i get pulled up, by a cop with a mate on the back at 3o'clock in the moring on a restricted licence, 1 fine at $160, or year no l plate on the back, i think i was lucky on that one,

Zuki lover

28th July 2009, 15:18

No never been pulled up on that one - must've been lucky :Punk::Punk:

Milts

28th July 2009, 15:22

I was pulled over for speeding the other day, and had a chat with the officer about this issue. She basically said that the police have a book several inches thick which lists what they can ticket you for, but if you're not a dick and they have no real reason to they often won't. I wasn't ticketed for riding without my L plate ("that's a 400$ fine, don't want to give you that"), just told to put it on when I got home, and she said MOST (but not all) cops wouldn't pull you over for doing over 70, because at 70 you are a hazard and the police use their discretion/common sense.

So it happens but probably only on a really, really bad day.

crazyhorse

28th July 2009, 15:59

My son nearly got a ticket as he wasn't displaying his L Plate - but it was broken and under the seat. He got told the ticket was coming, but never ever did arrive - maybe he had a nice moment..... yeah right

Cops do look out for L Plate riders doing over 70 in the HB region. :Police: <250cc bikes are easier to spot, and they are targeted.

crazyhorse

28th July 2009, 16:00

Mates of mine who are cops also agree that it is more dangerous riding at 70 then 100, but say that unfortunately it is the law.... even if they agree.

jetboy

28th July 2009, 16:53

Mates of mine who are cops also agree that it is more dangerous riding at 70 then 100, but say that unfortunately it is the law.... even if they agree.
Just like gassing Jews - the Germans all sympathised...but it was "the law"

jono035

28th July 2009, 22:04

Just like gassing Jews - the Germans all sympathised...but it was "the law"

Godwin'd... (http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Godwin's_Law)

jetboy

29th July 2009, 15:58

Godwin'd... (http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Godwin's_Law)
Interesting reading, however if you boil it down:

Hitler told Nazis to gas Jews - some "didn't want to" but did because they were told it was the law

Police bosses tell Cops to charge motorists for stupid offences - some "don't want to do it" but do because it's the law.

To go one step further (too far, perhaps): if Key made it law to jump off the Auckland Harbour Bridge..........
:Pokey:

vk6xre

30th July 2009, 08:18

Interesting reading, however if you boil it down:
To go one step further (too far, perhaps): if Key made it law to jump off the Auckland Harbour Bridge..........
:Pokey:

Well that doesn't sound too bad, as long as Keys and the Beehive mob demonstrate the application of said law first, let's call it the "lemming directive". Eventually we will get to a poli who call an emergency recall of the lemming directive, then we will have someone who will get things done quickly.

I agree, the 70kmh limit on roads that have higher limits will cause more of the risk than letting the rider ride with the traffic flow. But I do believe that if an L plate driver/rider is caught going 15kmh over the posted speed limit, their license should be reset and or a compulsory training session required. By reset I mean if they are into their L plate period by 3 months, they are reset to 0 months, it would be worse if you only had a week to go.

Just a incentive to keep your nose clean until you get out of the "Learning" period. BTW I believe there is not enough training for L platers and I don't mean those that have ridden for 30 years and have just got around to getting a license.

jetboy

30th July 2009, 08:31

I agree, the 70kmh limit on roads that have higher limits will cause more of the risk than letting the rider ride with the traffic flow. But I do believe that if an L plate driver/rider is caught going 15kmh over the posted speed limit, their license should be reset and or a compulsory training session required. By reset I mean if they are into their L plate period by 3 months, they are reset to 0 months, it would be worse if you only had a week to go.

Bloody good idea - and I'd be a strong supporter of this. Only one problem with your suggestion - it's logical!

Tony

4th August 2009, 18:18

If you drove your car at 70 you would get ticket for impeding the flow of traffic.

I know that a law ws introduced in 1967 to say that you couldn't drive at an "unreasonably slow speed" but I am not sure that there is any law still on the books for penalising a slow driver. I had a look but couldn't find it anywhere.

steve_t

4th August 2009, 19:37

I know that a law ws introduced in 1967 to say that you couldn't drive at an "unreasonably slow speed" but I am not sure that there is any law still on the books for penalising a slow driver. I had a look but couldn't find it anywhere.

The cops use a helicopter in the summer to patrol the Kopu-Hikuai Rd specifically to radio ground units about slow vehicles. However, I think 'unreasonably slow' on an open road is less than 60km/h, which is WAY too slow :2guns:

-easy--rider-

15th August 2009, 10:06

i got puled over doing about 128 just coming out of an 80k zone. but i only got fine for 28ks over the speed limit. i dont think the pigs even think a bout the 70 km rule.

usa-vtwin

15th August 2009, 10:51

jono035

15th August 2009, 11:01

I sat my restricted the other day *passed* and we rode through an 80km section..Over the ear piece the tester said "its an 80km zone" as I was doing the max 70km...I stuck to the 70km....was he trying to trick moi? Would I have failed if I had taken the bait?mmmmmmmmmmmm..

Somewhere in the road rules it mentions that the learner 70km/h speed limit is waived for people sitting their restricted test.

usa-vtwin

15th August 2009, 11:42

Somewhere in the road rules it mentions that the learner 70km/h speed limit is waived for people sitting their restricted test.

Really? OH and another thing, I did a defensive driving course 4 years ago and have the cert, however apparently that doesnt count towards getting my full in 3 months now I've got my restricted. The defensive driving course shortcut only applies if you do it AFTER getting your restricted, not before! :spanking::doh:

Ixion

15th August 2009, 11:45

Really? OH and another thing, I did a defensive driving course 4 years ago and have the cert, however apparently that doesnt count towards getting my full in 3 months now I've got my restricted. The defensive driving course shortcut only applies if you do it AFTER getting your restricted, not before! :spanking::doh:

Yep. Special exemtion when sitting test.

And the "must do course after getting restricted" rule only applies to under 25s. Over 25, certificate is valid no matter when you got it. Been a lot of discussion on that here, search is your friend.

usa-vtwin

15th August 2009, 17:28

Yep. Special exemtion when sitting test.

And the "must do course after getting restricted" rule only applies to under 25s. Over 25, certificate is valid no matter when you got it. Been a lot of discussion on that here, search is your friend.

When I was at the AA sitting my test, I asked the girl at the counter.She gave me Land Transport Authority # and told me to ring that. The lady at LTA knew I was over 25, had a valid car licence for 20+ years and sat a defensive driving course 4 years ago and had the cert and she stated that I needed to resit the defensive course. I guess I'll ring LTA again and see if it's luck of the draw.:Oi:

Ixion

15th August 2009, 18:10

They always say that. Do a search several guys have been down exactly this road.

JATZ

15th August 2009, 18:17

I sat my restricted the other day *passed* and we rode through an 80km section..Over the ear piece the tester said "its an 80km zone" as I was doing the max 70km...I stuck to the 70km....was he trying to trick moi? Would I have failed if I had taken the bait?mmmmmmmmmmmm..

No........

You were sitting a "restricted" therefore you can travel at open road speeds.'least thats my understanding.

Excactly the same thing happenad when I sat my restricted. Instructor made a point of telling me I could do 80

Ixion

15th August 2009, 18:21

Discussion and citation of law in this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=91726&highlight=certificate)thread

And PM Mr KingJackal, if he's still around, who had (successfully) the exact same argument with the LTSA droids. Thread is here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=83440&highlight=LTSA)

(I wish a mod would make a sticky for this. I get tired of repeating it)

duckonin

15th August 2009, 18:38

When I was at the AA sitting my test, I asked the girl at the counter.She gave me Land Transport Authority # and told me to ring that. The lady at LTA knew I was over 25, had a valid car licence for 20+ years and sat a defensive driving course 4 years ago and had the cert and she stated that I needed to resit the defensive course. I guess I'll ring LTA again and see if it's luck of the draw.:Oi:

:doh:Defensive driving course..Cert only good for three years.first aid cert two -three years, firearms licence and driving licences Ten years,Sales person cert (Realestate) if not used within three years expires..

Just goes to show 2-10 years after you have learn't something, your skills either deteriorate or your brain spit's it all out..Nah none of that crapp at all, it is all money for the coffers of the said institutions..

MarkH

16th August 2009, 01:10

:doh:Defensive driving course..Cert only good for three years.first aid cert two -three years, firearms licence and driving licences Ten years,Sales person cert (Realestate) if not used within three years expires..

I did a defensive driving course back in '92 (I think) - so I guess it has expired and doesn't count for anything. But do they do anything to get me to give a fuck? Cause I have a full Class 1, 2, 4 & 6 license and don't NEED to have a current defensive driving certificate.

I can remember a time when I had a lifetime drivers license and a lifetime firearms license. Now I have to renew the drivers license every 10 years and I gave up the firearms license (living in the city, no real need for the rifle any more) and sold my rifle.

Tony

24th August 2009, 15:39

:doh:Defensive driving course..Cert only good for three years.first aid cert two -three years, firearms licence and driving licences Ten years,Sales person cert (Realestate) if not used within three years expires..

Just goes to show 2-10 years after you have learn't something, your skills either deteriorate or your brain spit's it all out..Nah none of that crapp at all, it is all money for the coffers of the said institutions..

No thats not true I did mine in 1986 and they accepted that for the 3 month exemption earlier this year. Amazing thing was it was a car defensive driving test and to my mind it had next to no relevance to riding a bike.

boman

24th August 2009, 15:47

No thats not true I did mine in 1986 and they accepted that for the 3 month exemption earlier this year. Amazing thing was it was a car defensive driving test and to my mind it had next to no relevance to riding a bike.

All defensive driving courses, to my knowledge, are car based courses. I don't think that anybody does a course that involves motorcycles. Just apply the knowledge that you learn, in a motorbike kind of way.