pukekohe crash

[WINJA]

THAT THREAD JUST VANISHED WHERE DID IT GO AND WHY??

[SPman]

Feint got pissed off with the typical bickering arse biting response and asked me to remove it!

[Sensei]

ARRRRH See " You should never trust someone that you can Blind fold with a shoe lace " :Punk:
SENSEI

[WINJA]

Feint got pissed off with the typical bickering arse biting response and asked me to remove it!
THATS BULLSHIT!!! I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THE POST BACK

[onearmedbandit]

Happened so quick I didn't even see the thread. And now I'm left wondering...

[Zed]

Feint got pissed off with the typical bickering arse biting response and asked me to remove it!This unprofitable thread should be removed too!

[Motoracer]

THATS BULLSHIT!!! I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THE POST BACK

I disagree buddy. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

P.S. Sensei, if that was a joke, it was a bad one. If it wasn't a joke, you are a fuck wit.

[FROSTY]

I got 2 pm's about that thread and diddn't even post in it WTF

[ajturbo]

I disagree buddy. Move along, there's nothing to see here.

P.S. Sensei, if that was a joke, it was a bad one. If it wasn't a joke, you are a fuck wit.

:lol: me thinks a bad rep coming your way Sensei!!:killingme

[Sensei]

Will go with the other's . Geta since of humour Dude .Got nothing to do with the crash Just a Joke !!! Bad one if you say so . Fuck Wit ? Nice try ..
SENSEI

[curious george]

ARRRRH See " You should never trust someone that you can Blind fold with a shoe lace " :Punk:
SENSEI
*edit Sensi for spelling*
Actually, thats "blindfold" and "shoelace" :killingme

[bugjuice]

Happened so quick I didn't even see the thread. And now I'm left wondering...
ditto... :confused:
could someone may be PM me to say what it was about?
Just want to get the general gist

[Sensei]

Cheers CG send me a Bad Rep Please to go with MR'S LOL :Punk:
SENSEI

[curious george]

Trying to be serious, I only saw the beginning of that thread.
Tempers were high, and people were a little sensitive.
Understandable, someone was hurt, and it could have been a lot worse.
Whatever the cause of the crash and events surrounding it, we could have learned something from it.

Like:
It's a track day. People go wild. Lots of red mist. Huge mix of abilities. Someone will crash.

This should be something to remember for Frostys track day, organising yourself into the right group, show a little bit of restraint around others.
It's one thing to crash yourself, but to bring down others because you were clowning around, deserves a smack in the head.

I wasn't there, don't know what happened, it doesn't matter.
Crashes are crashes, and if you don't want to crash, it's best not to ride a bike.

[Sensei]

If my joke was taken the wrong way sorry . Was told it by one of my Japanese Martial Arts stundent I was teaching . He taught it was fucken funny pissed himself telling me it so didn't think it would hurt to pass it on .
Tough crowd !!!
SENSEI

[StoneChucker]

Dammit... I hate missing something, and being in the dark. From what I can deduce:

Someone crashed. Someone was taken out by the person crashing. Person taken out blames person who crashed. Person who crashed doesn't think it was their fault?? Am I on the right track here?

I do think we learn from others mistakes, I don't really agree with thread deletion. If you say something in public (at a bar) you can't get your MIB wand out and say "look into this". I stuffed up BIG time with one of my first threads, but I left it on since I had said it, I think the same should have been done here. Bad Form guys...

[6Chris6]

I don't really agree with thread deletion. If you say something in public (at a bar) you can't get your MIB wand out and say "look into this". I stuffed up BIG time with one of my first threads, but I left it on since I had said it, I think the same should have been done here. Bad Form guys...


Gotta agree with SC on this one, seems to be a bit of this going on.
Moderate don't annihilate.

[curious george]

Someone crashed. Someone was taken out by the person crashing. Person taken out blames person who crashed. Person who crashed doesn't think it was their fault?? Am I on the right track here?

From what I gathered, somebody crashed by themselves, near some other people, they took fright. Or something.
Anybody got archive?
Wouldda been nice to see it locked rather than deleted, or did it just turn nasty?

[onearmedbandit]

Okay, if no-one tells us whats going on I'm going to make it up and post it on a new thread.

[andy1]

Just someone on here thinks about themselve toooooo much...

I just wanna know what this means "He's got brand new leathers and should get towed behind a truck" ??

[Sensei]

Maybe just looked abit new & need some ride time to make look used .Don't think the tow behind truck was ment literally. Just like breaking in some new tyre's so as not to look like a NANA . Maybe wrong ??
SENSEI :drinknsin

[Firefight]

For those who are interested, I will be stopping in at middelmore after work this afternoon to check on my mate Gary.. will post an update tonight re his condition.

F/F

[TwoSeven]

Yeah, please post an update on how he is goin. hope he'll turn out ok.

[gav]

Just someone on here thinks about themselve toooooo much...

I just wanna know what this means "He's got brand new leathers and should get towed behind a truck" ??
Being an expeienced Alpinestars sponsered racer I thought you'd know that most racers think its unlucky to race in brand new leathers, you're always more likely to crash, just superstition, I guess.

[sedge]

ARRRRH See " You should never trust someone that you can Blind fold with a shoe lace " :Punk:
SENSEI

You should never trust someone whose mind you could blindfold with a shoelace...
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.
.
.
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Coz it's like, ya know... narrow.

Yeah... I know, you're gonna kick my arse if you get a chance... Sigh... Well, it's large and you'll get your foot stuck and I'd have to wander round all day and say things like 'does my arse look big in this' and people would laugh, but it wouldn't really be very funny for people like you and me who'd have to live their whole lives with martial arts instructors stuck to their arses... (subtext)

Sedge.

[FROSTY]

Andy--I just sent you a PM --dont threaten a person on the boards based on second hand info.
call me when ya want to -021544251
the balls in your court
Also keep in mind I have Never said anything nasty about a fellow biker so maybee ya should check your facts before flying off at the handle.

[andy1]

Being an expeienced Alpinestars sponsered racer I thought you'd know that most racers think its unlucky to race in brand new leathers, you're always more likely to crash, just superstition, I guess.


Never heard it... Guess im not up to date... :confused:

[Sensei]

Sedge you didn't read my last post . Not Narrow mined Grass Hopper either Very open minded Ya have to be now a day's

[QUOTE=Sensei 509]If my joke was taken the wrong way sorry . Was told it by one of my Japanese Martial Arts stundent I was teaching . He taught it was fucken funny pissed himself telling me it so didn't think it would hurt to pass it on .
Tough crowd !!!
SENSEI

[SPman]

THATS BULLSHIT!!! I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THE POST BACK

Talked to Feint today and he's still happy for the thread to stay deleted.

There was an off yesterday resulting in moderately serious injury. Something Frosty purportedly said may have been taken out of context and recriminations starting flowing.

All I want to know is - why was there a bolt in the Armco, with the fucking threaded end sticking out like a can opening, flesh opening spike!!!

[Suney]

Can someone put up that pic of the orange zx6r again please :D

[Kickaha]

Being an expeienced Alpinestars sponsered racer I thought you'd know that most racers think its unlucky to race in brand new leathers, you're always more likely to crash, just superstition, I guess.


I've seen guys scratching brand new helmets on the ground for the same reason
superstitious rubbish

[SPman]

Feint could put it up or try http://www.sync.co.nz/ming/page_01.htm - I think it might be in there

[onearmedbandit]

Talked to Feint today and he's still happy for the thread to stay deleted.

There was an off yesterday resulting in moderately serious injury. Something Frosty purportedly said may have been taken out of context and recriminations starting flowing.

All I want to know is - why was there a bolt in the Armco, with the fucking threaded end sticking out like a can opening, flesh opening spike!!!

Well whoever it is, I hope you get well soon. As for a bolt sticking out of the armco in the fashion you described, someone needs to have their arse kicked.

[WINJA]

Just someone on here thinks about themselve toooooo much...

I just wanna know what this means "He's got brand new leathers and should get towed behind a truck" ??
THATS RIGHT DUDE, A POST THAT IS STARTED SHOULD RUN ITS COURSE

[Firefight]

I stopped into Middlemore this afternoon after work to check on Gary..

He was still sedated, but I was able to chat with him for a few minutes.

he was very sore, bruised and cut about the face, and has had major surgery on his right leg which was badly broken and cut up.

He can,t remember much about what happened. But recognised me, so thats a good sign.

I will be stopping into see him on the way to night shift tomorow night so will update again then, those of you who rang/txt me I have passed on your best wishes.


Firefight

[WINJA]

I stopped into Middlemore this afternoon after work to check on Gary..

He was still sedated, but I was able to chat with him for a few minutes.

he was very sore, bruised and cut about the face, and has had major surgery on his right leg which was badly broken and cut up.

He can,t remember much about what happened. But recognised me, so thats a good sign.

I will be stopping into see him on the way to night shift tomorow night so will update again then, those of you who rang/txt me I have passed on your best wishes.


Firefight
I THINK I KNOW THIS GUY DID HE HAVE A CBR250? DID HE HANG OUT WITH A GUY CALLED ARTHUR?

[gav]

Bones will mend, good luck, dude. But hows the bike???????

[riffer]

I just wanna know what this means "He's got brand new leathers and should get towed behind a truck" ??

It means you are a victim of chinese whispers. If you weren't there and haven't spoken to the people who made the comments then you have no right to talk about it.

Hope the rider hurt heals fast and learns a valuable lesson and that some of the people on this forum think a bit more before they go posting stuff they don't know anything about. :whistle:

[FEINT]

The post was origally posted for you all to state your best wishes in a speedy recovery. WHich would be printed out and handed to the poor fella in the hospital. However, it turned out that some of you had to pick a fight with some other members on that post. Now, how am I suppose to print it out and hand it to the guy in hospital?

I really couldn't give a toss what you heard or what he said or what your friend told you or what you think happened. I didn't post it for you to fight. If you have a personal vengeance of some sort, take it up with the person directly.

The maturity of the replies were shocking. I apologise to all those that had posted messages, and I am sorry that I can't pass those on to Gary.

Thank you SPMAN for deleting that post.

I am glad to hear that he is recovering.

[FROSTY]

Never heard it... Guess im not up to date... :confused:
Andy -and anyone else that either heard what I said or heard it second or third hand.
The new leathers/new paint superstition has been around as long as I've been racing. (about 15 years) Maybee its a stupid superstition But I sure believe in it.
My comment was clearly taken completely out of context.
I suggested that perhaps he should have dragged his leathers down the road a bit -put a lil scuff on em.I may have said behind a car or truck but not with him in em .
I suspect that the bit where I said "OMG the poor sod with new bike and new leathers thats asking for trouble" wasnt heard
I also bet the comment --"thank gosh were close to middlemore"(the bone specialty hospital )was also missed>
Im so paranoid about it that I actually sanded a tiny section of mella yella's belly pan when I had it repainted.
I can understand the comment being taken wrong and im sorry that it was.

Now for the record - I gave a fellow kb er a lecture for not getting off the track fast enough.
I told gary (track manager) to order a ambulance with 2 staff in it.
I sent the track medic down the pit lane to get to the guy.
I was the dumb shit standing in the middle of the track waving the red flag to clear the track.
I wouldn't wish that kinda shit on anyone especially as he crashed 50m from where I destroyed my shoulder 10 years ago and in exactly the spot a freind of mine was killed.
I'm only happy -(if thats the right word) that it wasn't a lot worse
He could have possibly taken a couple of other guys with him or the damage to himself could have been irrepairable.
I must admit it upsets me to think you -(and as you have implied in a pm several others) would think I was such an heartless asshole who would wish bad things on another biker.
Read back on anything I have ever posted and see if Ive ever put down or wished harm on a fellow biker.
If you -or anybody else still has issue with me then please feel free to call me. 021544251

[bugjuice]

Suney - check out http://www.sync.co.nz/ming/page_01.htm ;)

as for the crash, was bad, I really hope Gary gets better soon. My bro is still going thru crap with his leg from an off at Chrimbo, so I really feel for him and his family. All the best to him.

As for what happened, I'm not going into detail, but he didn't take anyone with him fortunately, and I'm not aware that anything was on purpose, it was just a 'racing' accident, which was unfortunate. These things happen.

All the best to him.

[Ixion]

The superstition about new clothing (eg driving gloves) and new paint has been around since at least the 1930's, in car racing circles at any rate

It was common practice to ensure that a new car , factory fresh, was fitted with a well battered panel from an old one, so that the vehicle would not be completely new.

Tazio Nuvolari was obsessional about not wearing new gloves in a race

[Motoracer]

WINJA, he knows Arthur very well but he's not who you are thinking of.

F/F Thank you so much for the updates! :)

I will see to it that the people responsible for the track get a formal complaint letter from me about the dangerous bolt sticking out of the Armco.

Sensei, I accept your apology if you understand why it was so wrong to make that coment given the situation. Nothing wrong with my sense of humor I think. You might need to work on being a bit more sensitive though. Imagine how you'd feel if your Aussie mate called you a fucken Kiwi who can't drive, while having a few beers and a barbie in your back yard. Now compair that with some random Aussies calling you a fucken usless kiwi driver, while you were at the hospital, badly injured and your beautiful pride and joy was all smashed up AFTER you had a major crash. What if you weren't even in the wrong but people were pointing fingers just because of where you came from... even in a joke. Jokes are meant to create humor, not hurt people. There is a time and place for everything.

[StoneChucker]

What is an Armco?

[curious george]

What is an Armco?
big fuck off pieces of metal fence around racing tracks with bolts sticking out of them

[wkid_one]

I think people should just fucken harden up and realise a couple of things:
1. People will crash
2. People will take the piss out of it
3. Other people will be sympathetic
4. A section of people with insinuate, infer or plainly tell the rider s/he sucks and shouldn't be near a bike

People (eg Feint) should stop crying/whinging like nancy boys/girls and take their medicine. It you can't stand the heat - don't post details of your/the fucken accident on here!

Yes an accident is a bad thing (been there), but for some people blaming the rider (and not riding in general) is a means of coping. Also - it is nearly ALWAYS the rider that has the accident (excepting mechanical failure - which could still be traced back to poor maintenance/attention by the rider).

If you ride - you will invariably have an accident (stats back me up here) - some people don't like to be reminded of this.

And Feint - everyone is entitled to an opinion - some people on here may believe that pre-accident he was riding like an idiot

[FEINT]

People (eg Feint) should stop crying/whinging like nancy boys/girls and take their medicine. It you can't stand the heat - don't post details of your/the fucken accident on here!



I posted this post because the responses to all the other accident posts were of encouraging words and get well messages. All I wanted was a list so that I could print out and hand to this poor fella. I assumed that I would get that as every other post has words of encouragemnt. I didn't realise that this would happen. But, I learnt my lesson, I won't post to help another down biker. Another thing Wkid_one. It isn't my accident. I was just the first person down there to help him, and I feel as if I could have helped him more by posting on here, compiling a list and printing it out for him.

If you really have a problem with me posting this post in the first place, by all means PM me and we can sort this out. My intention was to help this guy. I don't know why that is so hard.

This has really been a disaster.


And Feint - everyone is entitled to an opinion - some people on here may believe that pre-accident he was riding like an idiot

maybe he was maybe he wasn't. Were you there to see it?

[wkid_one]

Hook line and sinker! Point proven

[StoneChucker]

Look, I'm not going to jump deep into THIS arguement mostly because I wasn't there...

What I will say is:
1) Yes people will crash, it's a probability but it's ALWAYS unfortunate when it happens. I feel for the rider, and I hope he recovers quickly. Thoughts and wishes to you mate!
2) While it IS silly to ride carelessly when you could put other people at risk, who's to say anyone was riding carelessly? Some people are more proficient at certain riding activities which would seem careless to other people. I don't mind someone wheeling past me. That is silly behaviour obviously, but I accept that they CAN do it, and that I take much greater risks out on the road everyday.
3) XJ/FROSTY is a top bloke. Obviously someone misheard something, and got all worked up. Tony I guarantee that noone thinks badly of you. He is also a man of great morals. He resisted the advances of a woman who threw herself at him, trying to pull of his leathers (new years hehehe;))
4) Curious George, thanks :lol: A very humerous pic there. I shall try fastidiously to keep my bike and I OFF the Armco's!

[FROSTY]

I will see to it that the people responsible for the track get a formal complaint letter from me about the dangerous bolt sticking out of the Armco..

Dude I dont know if it is or isnt unusual for the armco to be like that. I suspect that if we look round the track we will find heaps with sticking out bolts.Should be pan head bolts that go flush with the armco but they might be using hex head bolts which would cut through leathers like a knife if ya hit em at speed.
Keep in mind when we are "really" racing the bales are in front of the armco there.
I guess its a good argument for bike only track days -and on the day after a race day. That way hopefully the bales will be left out overnight.
Thank gosh he's basicly alright and in the hands of the experts.

[FROSTY]

Guys can we please let this die.
Lets not let a simple misunderstanding split up a bloody good community.
There is and always will be a small section of any community who perhaps to boost their own self importance, or perhaps just because they are spiteful will shit stir for the pure fun of watching us fight. perhaps also enjoying something good destroyed.
As someone said -maybee he stuffed up maybee he diddn't !!
The really important thing is that a fellow KBer is in hospital hurt.
Can someone please have another go at a get well soon thread

[gav]

Is he a member? Thought he didnt post on here? Whats his KB post name?

[Rainbow Wizard]

So those bloody pirates and hijackers do it again. I reckon the moderators should set up a system that can impose posting limits on anyone that stuffs up the spirit of a thread, a sort of parole/rep points with balls thingy.

[Firefight]

hey KBers stopped into see Gary again this afternoon.

Spent about 30 mins with him, hes a bit more aware of whats going on now, still in heaps of pain, he will be having more surgery tomorow, this is to clean wound out and put some steel in place.

Once again all of you who pmed me, txted me, or rang (and woke me from my pre night shift sleep ) to offer your good wishes to be passed on, thanks heaps, I have passed on your comments to Gary..

Will vist him tomorrow night and report back then.

Firefight.

[wkid_one]

So those bloody pirates and hijackers do it again. I reckon the moderators should set up a system that can impose posting limits on anyone that stuffs up the spirit of a thread, a sort of parole/rep points with balls thingy.
Or people could just harden up and not be so soft!

[Suney]

I went to visit Gary today as well. Nice meeting you firefight :)

[Firefight]

slight set back for Gary, his surgery was delayed this am, he is booked to go in tonight, depending on how many urgent or acute cases come up. But hes in good spirits, and pleading to go home already.. Also much more chatty.

Roo, I gave him a copy of the pm you sent me, he read it and said to say thanks.

Firefight.

[Coldkiwi]

Dave,
please pass my best wishes to Gary. I don't know him but Ange got home on Saturday and told me all about the poor guy who'd crashed at Puke that day (she was working in the evening when he must've gone into theater) and it really sounded bad. Glad he's conscious but really sorry to hear he's so beaten up.

[Firefight]

Dave,
please pass my best wishes to Gary. I don't know him but Ange got home on Saturday and told me all about the poor guy who'd crashed at Puke that day (she was working in the evening when he must've gone into theater) and it really sounded bad. Glad he's conscious but really sorry to hear he's so beaten up.

Will do Richard.

F/F

[curious george]

Good to hear he's OK.
Hope we havent put him off here, and that he signs up, and gets back on the track soon.

[Kwaka-Kid]

First and foremost thanks FF for the updates! Taking your time to post them here to let all know that he is doing better. And all the best to him from me, FF should you catch him again soon.

Second Wkid1 for one of the few times in his million posts (altho i didnt care to read it all properly) posted something we could all take into consideration.
Not agreeing with all.. but this part for sure
1. People will crash
2. People will take the piss out of it
3. Other people will be sympathetic
4. A section of people with insinuate, infer or plainly tell the rider s/he sucks and shouldn't be near a bike

That IS the bottom line(s).

How about everybody else put their Stupid goddam personal BS away for five seconds yeah? I mean, im sorry to sound insensitive but i think the only one thats shown sensitivity here is FF!!! The only one who cared not about stupid nit-picking, and gave an update to any KB'er not caught up in their own self inflicted shit over the minors.

I choose to be sympathetic. No if, buts, or maybes.

Who do you choose to be?

[Motu]

[I]1. People will crash


True,they will - but they don't have to.It's not a given,it's a possibility.

[White trash]

3) XJ/FROSTY is a top bloke. Obviously someone misheard something, and got all worked up. Tony I guarantee that noone thinks badly of you. He is also a man of great morals.

Now I KNOW you're trippin' fool!

Lay off the bong cabbage for a while, get some clarity back.

[StoneChucker]

Now I KNOW you're trippin' fool!

Lay off the bong cabbage for a while, get some clarity back.
Haha, bong... haha, cabbage
Bong Cabbage.... Hahahahaha :niceone:
Nah mate, I can't afford THAT. I scrape the shit outta my mates crusty pipes, and go spot it... :msn-wink:

[Madmax]

Shit I work at the hospital so if there is anything urgent
give me a yell,pm me can print out most stuff!
(have seen a few more bikes around the hospital than normal
ZX6R etc had an older CBR1000 parked next to mine, shit one of the top boys
Has a ZX12R, I think he rembers fixing one of my legs)
anyway for what its worth give me a bellow
:confused:

[bugjuice]

Shit I work at the hospital so if there is anything urgent
give me a yell,pm me can print out most stuff!
(have seen a few more bikes around the hospital than normal
ZX6R etc had an older CBR1000 parked next to mine, shit one of the top boys
Has a ZX12R, I think he rembers fixing one of my legs)
anyway for what its worth give me a bellow
:confused:
auckland or Middlemore?

[Madmax]

Middlemore :doctor:

[Suney]

Anyone got an update on his situation? How was the second surgery and when is he expected to leave the hospital?

[Firefight]

ok, things looking good for Gary, he is much improved ! :banana: , Had a long visit yesterday in which I was able to eat most of the goodies his other visitors had left for him. :whistle:

Surgery went well, they are talking about maybe letting him out monday, he will have heaps of phizio to do, but apart from having some cool chick pulling scars, he will be fine.

His bike has been picked up, and is already starting to get sorted, and hes is already talking about a ride down 22 in a few weeks :ride: ..

Once again thanks to everyone who has contaced me to find out how he has been doing, I have passed on all your good wishes...

Firefight. :ride:

[Fluffy Cat]

With all these threads flying around i just noticed.....
It seems to me that Puke is a dangerous track.Lets see.

1.No maintanance
2.No run off
3.Poor standard of equipment.Where were the bales.
4.Test days are a disaster ie cars sliding around nobody knows when its their turn on the track.Racers out with road riders no bibs for novices etc etc.

HOW LONG BEFORE SOMEONE ELSE GETS KILLED AT THIS CRAP TRACK!

Sorry but this accident has narked me off!.It could have been avoided with some attention to detail.

Anyone know when Hampton Downs will be ready?.

Sorry about Gary.

[bugjuice]

this has been the problems since forever.. no one really listens any more, cos to fix all these problems cost mula, something they don't have a heap of, and probably wouldn't make back quickly. They are doing little bits here and there, but it's all money.
Unfortunately, people have died and/or been seriously injured at the track.

Is Hampton Downs the track that's rumored to be the F1 track near Meremere? That'd be way cool.. way $$ too

[Kickaha]

this has been the problems since forever.. no one really listens any more, cos to fix all these problems cost mula, something they don't have a heap of, and probably wouldn't make back quickly. They are doing little bits here and there, but it's all money.



In the twenty years since I first visited Pukekohe nothing much has been done to improve either the track or the facilities,they've finally got around to doing the drainage which has been a problem for even longer than that

The money that they have charged for running the events over that period of time would have paid for the upgrades that the track needs many times over