KX85 or CR85

[Sammikins]

Found one of each that I am serious about... both 2005, both in good nick, both very similar prices (low-mid $2000's). Any pro's and con's or is more a case of potato potahto??

[L Rider]

Ride both & see which you like. Could have different gearing therefore it'll ride way different - thats easy to change though but just thing to note. I've only ridden a RM80 & a CR80.

[honda_power]

kx85 is supposed to be a better trail bike, doesnt quite bite as much as the cr

cr85 is faster, bites a little more.

depends what you want to do with it.

[SpikedPunch]

Me, I'd go for the bike that's still being made since it'd be easier to get parts for (I assume). Also green is a nicer colour :sunny:

[Sammikins]

Hmmm my thoughts are : the honda might hold it's price a little better? But Kawasaki parts are maybe cheaper? Grah tearing hair out!

[honda_power]

you can get cr parts just as easy, and will be able to for the next 10 years... some of us would argue about the colour as well...

[Sammikins]

Well the honda would compliment my red hair (as a honda salesman once pointed out) but i think the green would provide a nice contrast... but my gear is blue and black so that's gonna clash with both bikes graaaaah!!! :bash:

[honda_power]

if they are in shops go have a ride on both of them!

i think the cr looks 1000x better than the kx due to having shrouds on both sides, having the pipe on the correct side, not having a rear guard shaped like a shovel that hasnt been changed since the 80's and not being green.

[SpikedPunch]

if they are in shops go have a ride on both of them!

i think the cr looks 1000x better than the kx due to having shrouds on both sides, having the pipe on the correct side, not having a rear guard shaped like a shovel that hasnt been changed since the 80's and not being green.

I thought the '05 had shrouds both sides? The one shroud thing does look pretty awful.

[barty5]

Unless its a genuine part required your going to them cheap as any way what ever bike, Even then i get some discount on genuine so i wouldnt be to fussed about that side of things.

[honda_power]

maybe it does... is it the suzi and yami that have them one side

your best bet would be to ride them both

[Sammikins]

if they are in shops go have a ride on both of them!

i think the cr looks 1000x better than the kx due to having shrouds on both sides, having the pipe on the correct side, not having a rear guard shaped like a shovel that hasnt been changed since the 80's and not being green.

They're both far away like in mt maunganui & rotorua ... both just online dealers i think. just checked, the kx85 is actually an 04, and he wants $200 more than the honda guy for the 05....

[honda_power]

id say go for the newer one, you could prob find a better deal if you didnt buy from a shop though

[Sammikins]

id say go for the newer one, you could prob find a better deal if you didnt buy from a shop though

not sure if the honda people are a shop, just importers and stuff, looking at the prices people on trademe are asking, it seems like a pretty good deal

[L Rider]

i've found it easy as getting parts for mine. Only thing is the Honda dealers on the shore are bloody useless!! Kawasaki dealer on the other hand is awesum.
As i said before you really need to ride them & see which you prefer. We all have our preferences. No point buying based on colour or look if you don't even like riding it that much.
Maybe find some up here & test ride whether you intend on buying or not.

[L Rider]

Also look at what maintenance has been done on them. How many hours since top end? Who done the top end? Condition of bike overall? Any known problems?

[scott411]

i would go the KX, but i could be bias, ;)

but seriously, the KX85 has the easy powerband to trail ride with, (along with teh Rm and KTM 85) CR and YZ85 have a harder hitting more top end powerband due to being non power valve motors,

[Sammikins]

i would go the KX, but i could be bias, ;)

but seriously, the KX85 has the easy powerband to trail ride with, (along with teh Rm and KTM 85) CR and YZ85 have a harder hitting more top end powerband due to being non power valve motors,

How much harder are we talking? Cos my previous ride was a drz125... not exactly quick.

[honda_power]

not that much [i have ridden a yz and a rm 85]

saw that cr... looks like a decent deal for the amount of hours and the condition of it... especially when theres 03's on there for more

id have a look at this one... in auck as well

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-226944726.htm

[oldskool]

How much harder are we talking? Cos my previous ride was a drz125... not exactly quick.
I'd be more interested in how much bottom end it has, especially for riding trails. From what I've read the KX85 has it over the other mx bikes in this regard.

[honda_power]

or this one

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-226411901.htm

[L Rider]

I'd be more interested in how much bottom end it has, especially for riding trails. From what I've read the KX85 has it over the other mx bikes in this regard.

Can't you just change the gearing to suit? Or is that a dumb statement lol

[Sammikins]

awwwwww now im all confuzzled!

[L Rider]

awwwwww now im all confuzzled!

lol - i gather all this talk aint helped at all.

Reason i say about gearing is because my bike we had thawt just had standard gearing (never actually checked). Rachel brought a CR80 a year newer than mine. Who gearing seemed really low when i test rode it before she brought it. When we looked it up hers is in fact standard.
I've ridden hers around the learners at Sandpit & i don't feel like the front end is gonna lift whereas mine i can feel it wanting to come up quite easily.

i prefer mine, but she prefers hers so each to their own.

Her gearing is much better in tighter stuff as you don't hafta keep it in the revs as much but mine is better in the open.

hope i have confuzzled you more.

[Sammikins]

lol - i gather all this talk aint helped at all.

Reason i say about gearing is because my bike we had thawt just had standard gearing (never actually checked). Rachel brought a CR80 a year newer than mine. Who gearing seemed really low when i test rode it before she brought it. When we looked it up hers is in fact standard.
I've ridden hers around the learners at Sandpit & i don't feel like the front end is gonna lift whereas mine i can feel it wanting to come up quite easily.

i prefer mine, but she prefers hers so each to their own.

Her gearing is much better in tighter stuff as you don't hafta keep it in the revs as much but mine is better in the open.

hope i have confuzzled you more.

No that does kinda help, I can see myself stalling a whole lot since I used to nurse the DRZ round the convict track in mega low revs (??! funky riding style i guess) but it would be nice to be able to keep the front nice and light over all those whoops... i guess if I dont like the standard gearing it can always be changed later...

[B0000M]

i got a CR for my mrs, she lovs it. then she got pregnant and stopped riding, but for the breif time she rode it she thought it was awesome. they need to be revved if your'e trying to go up steep hills, but for the likes of woodhill they'd be pretty easy to ride.

as for the kx, ive never owned one myself. and hondas are just better :)

[L Rider]

No that does kinda help, I can see myself stalling a whole lot since I used to nurse the DRZ round the convict track in mega low revs (??! funky riding style i guess) but it would be nice to be able to keep the front nice and light over all those whoops... i guess if I dont like the standard gearing it can always be changed later...

Standard gearing you'd be able to do that alot easier than the likes of mine. if you can be bothered doing it you can change the gearing depending on where you're riding.
the 2t's don't like putting around - end up fouling plugs alot. I use to go through heaps of them when learning. Can adjust jetting to help with this though.

So rather than confusing ya, personally i would go test ride a kx & a cr & see which you like. Then you can decide what things you will change on it etc - probably wanna ride it a few times before you do this as its gonna be a change with the new bike anyway.

[L Rider]

i got a CR for my mrs, she lovs it. then she got pregnant and stopped riding, but for the breif time she rode it she thought it was awesome. they need to be revved if your'e trying to go up steep hills, but for the likes of woodhill they'd be pretty easy to ride.

as for the kx, ive never owned one myself. and hondas are just better :)

Agree they are easy to ride - mine is first bike i've ridden. Didn't even know how to change gears when we brought it - infact didn't know anything!! I survived.

[honda_power]

awwwwww now im all confuzzled!

ok....

Some 85's have powervalves [RM, KX, SX], and some dont [CR, YZ].

Powervalves smooth out the power a little and give the bike a little more bottom end power. This makes the bike easier to go slow on.

That said, theres not that much of a difference. All 85s haul on top and have fuck all down low. [Thats where the 100's come in, the extra 15cc's are concentrated down low so the bike is a lot better for trail riding]

I think that the cr is the better bike out of the two, just because kawasakis [and suzukis] are not worth as much as the others for some reason. So if you went for the kx you would be paying an extra $200 for an older bike thats not worth as much. If you wanted a kawi i think you could find a better deal

[Sammikins]

ok....

Some 85's have powervalves [RM, KX, SX], and some dont [CR, YZ].

Powervalves smooth out the power a little and give the bike a little more bottom end power. This makes the bike easier to go slow on.

That said, theres not that much of a difference. All 85s haul on top and have fuck all down low. [Thats where the 100's come in, the extra 15cc's are concentrated down low so the bike is a lot better for trail riding]

I think that the cr is the better bike out of the two, just because kawasakis [and suzukis] are not worth as much as the others for some reason. So if you went for the kx you would be paying an extra $200 for an older bike thats not worth as much. If you wanted a kawi i think you could find a better deal


Powervalves sound nice... Okay Im sorting it out Im gona go test ride some bikes methinks.

[Sammikins]

not that much [i have ridden a yz and a rm 85]

saw that cr... looks like a decent deal for the amount of hours and the condition of it... especially when theres 03's on there for more

id have a look at this one... in auck as well

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-226944726.htm

Sounds a little cheap though, too good to be true?

[Sammikins]

Ok just spoke to that guy and checking out a cr85 on sunday, wants a quick sale cos his son is bored with it and overseas, theres a park across the road from his factory to tear up in the middle of penrose, mint!!

[honda_power]

nah, if your meaning stolen/ $ owing get the frame numb before you go look at it and check it

my yz was a 'too good to be true' kinda deal, turned out the guy was a millionare and didnt really care what it sold for lol... so good deals are out there

go have a look and a ride anyway

[Sammikins]

nah, if your meaning stolen/ $ owing get the frame numb before you go look at it and check it

my yz was a 'too good to be true' kinda deal, turned out the guy was a millionare and didnt really care what it sold for lol... so good deals are out there

go have a look and a ride anyway

More worried about secret broken stuff that they pretend they didn't know about when it breaks 2 weeks later...

[honda_power]

looks pretty clean... still running std pipe, bars and graphics even - they are the first things to break or peel if ridden hard. Also got honda logos on side of the seat - they wear off quite easy so it hasnt been used that much. Of course, they could have been swapped back on but i doubt it.

Maybe take a kber in auckland to check it out with you.

even if you had to do a top end soon it would still be a good deal

[Sammikins]

looks pretty clean... still running std pipe, bars and graphics even - they are the first things to break or peel if ridden hard. Also got honda logos on side of the seat - they wear off quite easy so it hasnt been used that much. Of course, they could have been swapped back on but i doubt it.

Maybe take a kber in auckland to check it out with you.

Done. Spoke to the guys dad, he sounds pretty genuine... Told me all about his son and how he has too many bikes and got bored of this one etc... nice guy.

[barty5]

as for the kx, ive never owned one myself. and hondas are just better :)

Just knew it was only a matter of time for that line hahahahaha

[cheese]

Either is good and you will learn to ride either. I would invest in a flywheel weight though.

[oldguy]

KX85 they don't make the CR85 anymore.

[oldskool]

Either is good and you will learn to ride either. I would invest in a flywheel weight though.
You had much experience with these? Are they any good for light weight (cc) bikes? On TM the guy who trades Stealhy has them for everything else but KX125. He advertises mostly for 250cc while I've looked at them. Would FWW make much difference to a 85?... if you can find one for it.

[clmintie]

I really don't think you will need a fly wheel weight on a KX 85, they have good enough bottom end for trail riding, especially for a light weight such as your self (you're welcome...)

I'm on call this weekend and the KX is getting a piston/rings etc (at 99.4 hours.....only did rings at 50) but you're welcome to have a blat on it next weekend somewhere............... Don't rush into anything without riding a few....... Have you sold Darren yet?

[honda_power]

You had much experience with these? Are they any good for light weight (cc) bikes? On TM the guy who trades Stealhy has them for everything else but KX125. He advertises mostly for 250cc while I've looked at them. Would FWW make much difference to a 85?... if you can find one for it.

my mate looked into getting one for his kx250, was told by the bike shop that they could get one made for cheaper, at any weight he wanted

[L Rider]

You had much experience with these? Are they any good for light weight (cc) bikes? On TM the guy who trades Stealhy has them for everything else but KX125. He advertises mostly for 250cc while I've looked at them. Would FWW make much difference to a 85?... if you can find one for it.

Are you looking at getting one for yours? I recently saw one on TM - not sure if still listed or not though.
Have also seen for an 85, not that i'd bother with one - i don't think you need one.

[B0000M]

i have one on the mrs's cr85. makes a big difference.

the sthely comes with good instruction and fitting equipment too. no mods were required.

[Sammikins]

I really don't think you will need a fly wheel weight on a KX 85, they have good enough bottom end for trail riding, especially for a light weight such as your self (you're welcome...)

I'm on call this weekend and the KX is getting a piston/rings etc (at 99.4 hours.....only did rings at 50) but you're welcome to have a blat on it next weekend somewhere............... Don't rush into anything without riding a few....... Have you sold Darren yet?

Aww shucks, lightweight haha tell that to the cow at the pub that told me Im fat... :bash:

Darren is on tm at the moment but no sign of interest yet ... gonna miss that bike. :bye: yeah got one of each lined up for a test ride on sunday, but keen to try a few and see what it's like. I do know for a fact that I am waaaay overdue for an upgrade.

[B0000M]

Aww shucks, lightweight haha tell that to the cow at the pub that told me Im fat... :bash:

Darren is on tm at the moment but no sign of interest yet ... gonna miss that bike. :bye: yeah got one of each lined up for a test ride on sunday, but keen to try a few and see what it's like. I do know for a fact that I am waaaay overdue for an upgrade.

either way keep in mind that you'd be wise to invest in an FMF Fatty pipe for it, this will dramaticly increase low to mid range power... on any 2 stroke.

for those noobs to 2 strokes, for example in 1997 the bills pipe gave the CR80 an additional 6HP - from 17-23 at the wheel whilst boosting mid and low range significantly (refering to ADB's 'minirider' 1997 model pipe shootout)

[oldskool]

Are you looking at getting one for yours? I recently saw one on TM - not sure if still listed or not though.
Have also seen for an 85, not that i'd bother with one - i don't think you need one.
Yes I am looking at getting one...maybe Bartz can help in that dept. My bike has larger sprocket than standard and still not happy with hardly any bottom end. Little cc bikes are hard work around the tight stuff if they hit like a light switch.

[FROSTY]

My biased opinion is to grab the KX85. They are mechanically unchanged for a number of years and for a small bike have a not bad at all bottom end power

[oldskool]

I'd set up a poll thingy for you, like Cheese does, if I knew how to, but it seems like there are more votes for the KX85 than the CR85 at this stage.
My vote is get the KX85 (that'll be my next bike for the kids)

[flyingcr250]

I'd set up a poll thingy for you, like Cheese does, if I knew how to, but it seems like there are more votes for the KX85 than the CR85 at this stage.
My vote is get the KX85 (that'll be my next bike for the kids)

cant go wrong with a honda lol :wari:

[honda_power]

seriously... voting?

bikes nowdays are so even, just go out and buy a good one in your price range and not worry about what colour it is...

Whatever you end up with, youll get used to, powervalved or not.

Just buy the best deal you can. Fuck the colour. Easy.

I vote cr due to the price. Jesus, its $1800, they might as well give it away... It will sell if you muck around wanting to test dif. bikes

[clmintie]

Hitting the gym and cycling and swimming will be next. Riding a fast, lightweight 'proper' MX'er will change your life forever..........God I'd love to be starting out again, there's sooo much choice nowadays. "Youth is wasted on the young..." (GBS)

[B0000M]

powervalve for little gain = more shit to maintain

also the honda is newer and cheaper, and from what i can see is also largely unchanged from 96 lol.

evidently new technology is not a top priority in little bikes!

plus the exaust is on the wrong side in the kx, i used to burn my left leg all the time on my mates kx when i was a little fulla.

[Rupe]

Why worry about brand?

Just go look at them and have a little test run. then buy the best one, it's that simple. Most people on here won't have ridden both a cr85 and kx85 extensivley that are answering on here. And if you rode a mint cr, and a shagged kx that was falling to pieces you'd like the cr more, and vice versa. just get the best bike for your money.

And don't worry about what aftermarket bits you need on it, you need to concentrate on if the type of bike (mx 85cc) is going to be right for what you will use it for. This is done buy riding them.

[Midget200]

Hmmm my thoughts are : the honda might hold it's price a little better? But Kawasaki parts are maybe cheaper? Grah tearing hair out!

Took a KX85 out on Wednesday for the day! It was awesome. Also thanks Grace I rode her bike the other weekend as well. The KX85 went so well through the tight stuff, totally different from the heavy 250! Big ticks all round. However I haven't tried the CR! Loved the power band, although I nearly got left behind on a few occasions! Definitely try them both out though. The power band is totally different to a 4 stroke for sure! I've got my bike on Trade Me and looking for an 85 as we speak.

[Rupe]

seriously... voting?

bikes nowdays are so even, just go out and buy a good one in your price range and not worry about what colour it is...

Whatever you end up with, youll get used to, powervalved or not.

Just buy the best deal you can. Fuck the colour. Easy.

I vote cr due to the price. Jesus, its $1800, they might as well give it away... It will sell if you muck around wanting to test dif. bikes

just read your post, couldn't agree more.

[Sammikins]

Why worry about brand?

Just go look at them and have a little test run. then buy the best one, it's that simple. Most people on here won't have ridden both a cr85 and kx85 extensivley that are answering on here. And if you rode a mint cr, and a shagged kx that was falling to pieces you'd like the cr more, and vice versa. just get the best bike for your money.

And don't worry about what aftermarket bits you need on it, you need to concentrate on if the type of bike (mx 85cc) is going to be right for what you will use it for. This is done buy riding them.

Good advice...

[FROSTY]

--tell ya wot--cruise over here tomorrow and borrow the kx85 here--as long as its back sundday before 2.0pm all shiney again

[Sammikins]

--tell ya wot--cruise over here tomorrow and borrow the kx85 here--as long as its back sundday before 2.0pm all shiney again

Generous offer and thnx for the thought but yeah busy all weekend!!

[cheese]

Yes I am looking at getting one...maybe Bartz can help in that dept. My bike has larger sprocket than standard and still not happy with hardly any bottom end. Little cc bikes are hard work around the tight stuff if they hit like a light switch.

Contact Tjebbe Bruin in north coat. He makes them. However I think it won't help a 125, they are just like that.

[oldskool]

Good advice...
That's how I came across my KX125. Best buy for $2000 at the time. I couldn't care a toss what brand it was as long as it was jappo. But you asked for a comparison here between a KX85 and a CR85, horses for courses all things being equal, it narrows it down somewhat. Of course commonsense comes into it when you factor in year, wear, blah blah blah.

[2strokekid]

yea i wuld probli go 4 tha cr they r alot faster thn wat the kxs r

[Ktmboy]

yea i wuld probli go 4 tha cr they r alot faster thn wat the kxs r

Sorry dude, but Sami is not really "after da speed".
Our KX seems to smoke most others regardless of type. Even other KX's, its not the bike its the rider and the way they ride.

Sami, IMO, and knowing the type of riding you do the CR would be alot harder to handle for you. Any 85 without a powervalve is harder to manipulate around tracks and trails as per the riding you do. If you were to participate in MX only then this is an entirely different kettle of fish(another strange saying, where did this saying come from?) and you would have a wider choice.

Most peeps here (Booom, Honda_Power, no offense) don't know you from a bar of soap(jeez, full of the reoteric tonight) so don't really understand you ability and riding style.

We have had numerous KX85's and have not really had any probs apart from the normal wear and tear. The same of our friends whom have CR's, YZ's etc etc. Its all about maintenance.

But the bike with a power valve will make your riding so much more pleasurable as well as being very versatile.

All bikes are relevent price wise on resale depending on condition.

[scott411]

powervalve for little gain = more shit to maintain

KTM lovers say the same about a linkage, i know what i would rather have

powervalves came in the the early 80's, fuck knows why Honda and Yamaha never put them on 85's

[honda_power]

Sorry dude, but Sami is not really "after da speed".
Our KX seems to smoke most others regardless of type. Even other KX's, its not the bike its the rider and the way they ride.

Sami, IMO, and knowing the type of riding you do the CR would be alot harder to handle for you. Any 85 without a powervalve is harder to manipulate around tracks and trails as per the riding you do. If you were to participate in MX only then this is an entirely different kettle of fish(another strange saying, where did this saying come from?) and you would have a wider choice.

Most peeps here (Booom, Honda_Power, no offense) don't know you from a bar of soap(jeez, full of the reoteric tonight) so don't really understand you ability and riding style.

We have had numerous KX85's and have not really had any probs apart from the normal wear and tear. The same of our friends whom have CR's, YZ's etc etc. Its all about maintenance.

But the bike with a power valve will make your riding so much more pleasurable as well as being very versatile.

All bikes are relevent price wise on resale depending on condition.

im not talking about speed/riding ability though.
If you had a kx and cr of the same years, in the same cond, for the same price, then my advice would be to ride and choose.

But as the kx is a good $700+ more, and as the kawasakis [not that they are a bad bike] resale value is a lot less, It wouldnt be smart to buy that kx.

Powervalves really arnt that amazing as people are making out, sure, might give it a tiny bit of bottom end, but you dont buy an 85 for the bottom end power, you buy it to scream. Half an hour on the cr and she'll be used to it, if not, she should really not be on any 85 in the first place. 85's really arnt made for putting around. No, not even the KX's.

The way you guys are talking it sounds like she would be better to stick with the drz.

[barty5]

im not talking about speed/riding ability though.
If you had a kx and cr of the same years, in the same cond, for the same price, then my advice would be to ride and choose.

But as the kx is a good $700+ more, and as the kawasakis [not that they are a bad bike] resale value is a lot less, It wouldnt be smart to buy that kx.

Powervalves really arnt that amazing as people are making out, sure, might give it a tiny bit of bottom end, but you dont buy an 85 for the bottom end power, you buy it to scream. Half an hour on the cr and she'll be used to it, if not, she should really not be on any 85 in the first place. 85's really arnt made for putting around. No, not even the KX's.

The way you guys are talking it sounds like she would be better to stick with the drz.

sami dont want the under powered drz with no suspesion in the front etc etc bike its sale its under sized for her short as she is (not takin the piss she'sittin next to me) its to small she towers over it and no i dont think that bar riser would help at all its also under powered so where goig to go and try out a couple over the weekend report back then (rupe if yah readin catch you sunday to try the kx sat day not going to work)

[Ktmboy]

im not talking about speed/riding ability though.
If you had a kx and cr of the same years, in the same cond, for the same price, then my advice would be to ride and choose.

But as the kx is a good $700+ more, and as the kawasakis [not that they are a bad bike] resale value is a lot less, It wouldnt be smart to buy that kx.

Powervalves really arnt that amazing as people are making out, sure, might give it a tiny bit of bottom end, but you dont buy an 85 for the bottom end power, you buy it to scream. Half an hour on the cr and she'll be used to it, if not, she should really not be on any 85 in the first place. 85's really arnt made for putting around. No, not even the KX's.

The way you guys are talking it sounds like she would be better to stick with the drz.

The powervalve not only gives bottom end, it also smooths out the delivery of the powerband. This is exactly the thing you need when riding tight forestry tracks with trees as Sami does. its not about "you buy it to scream" as you don't want that type of delivery on a trail ride. MX yes.
Yes I agree KX's were not made for puttering around on, but they are bloody good at it. Better than a CR.

My son ride's KX's. He rides tight technical stuff and has done so for years and his style suits a powervalve because he hooks higher gears to get low down grunt.

On the MX track he needs to get on the pipe more(even tho he is generally in the top 20% of races) due to his X country up bringing. But Sami is not a full on MX rider.

She will go further faster on a valved bike.

[barty5]

In my defence i will be down at ardmore and up at dome valley come summer, i dont love trail that much and i wanna do jumps and mx and stuff. - sammikins

[Ktmboy]

In my defence i will be down at ardmore and up at dome valley come summer, i dont love trail that much and i wanna do jumps and mx and stuff. - sammikins

The KX is still good for that. Again its the rider skill set.

For example, Logan won junior summer series MX last year at Ken Fells on his KX. Came third in the Inter school championship team's event this year at Ardmore out of 117 teams.
Yet always in the top 3 of junior X country, GNCC, Two Man events etc.

Stock std KX85. Same bike as has been produced for what 5 years now.

[honda_power]

was writing another big message, then the computer decided to switch off.
Cant be fucked re-writing

Basically all iv been trying to say...

who gives a fuck about the colour. Buy the best deal avalible. That cr your gonna look at looks good, and is in no way a worse bike due to it not having a valve.
But that kx is not a good deal. You could get a newer kx for that price.

Everyones repping the bikes that they own... haha

[Ktmboy]

was writing another big message, then the computer decided to switch off.
Cant be fucked re-writing

Basically all iv been trying to say...

who gives a fuck about the colour. Buy the best deal avalible. That cr your gonna look at looks good, and is in no way a worse bike due to it not having a valve.
But that kx is not a good deal. You could get a newer kx for that price.

Everyones repping the bikes that they own... haha

I haven't seen the bikes on TM.

In theory the CR are more expensive from new so they should be more exp secondhand.

If the KX is like 20% more then I'd be still looking too and not be in a hurry.

[L Rider]

Sammi, like i've already said - try some then you decide which you prefer.
I learnt on the CR so they can't be that hard to ride considering (not that i ride well now though haha).

I see you're trying some out over the weekend:woohoo:
Looking forward to hearing how you get on & which you prefer.

When i brought mine i just looked on TM for an 80/85 which i liked at a decent price. had no idea bout these power valves etc, probably a good thing or i would have ended up all confused.

[cheese]

Power valves are a big deal, but how much smoothing do they give on a 85?

Anyway do like that old joke about teh guy that has 3 women to pick for a wife and he chose teh one with the biggest tits - try em as see which one you like!! LOL

[FROSTY]

To throw the proverbial feline in amongst the birds.
Sammykins what is it about YOUR bike you don't like??
What about it DO you like??
What about the suzuki 85 --what about that do ya like/dislike?

Guys not havin a go here but without answers to those questions its impossible to offer educated advise







I'd like to bet a chocky fish the answer is not likeing the shit suspension and lack of top end oomph-- and liking the 4 stroke bottom end power.

[barty5]

To throw the proverbial feline in amongst the birds.
Sammykins what is it about YOUR bike you don't like??
What about it DO you like??
What about the suzuki 85 --what about that do ya like/dislike?

Guys not havin a go here but without answers to those questions its impossible to offer educated advise







I'd like to bet a chocky fish the answer is not likeing the shit suspension and lack of top end oomph-- and liking the 4 stroke bottom end power.


yah kinda hit the nail on the head to small as shes not the tallest person (not real short either) but still finds she feels like she is towering over it .

Where do i pick up the fish

[SpikedPunch]

yah kinda hit the nail on the head to small as shes not the tallest person (not real short either) but still finds she feels like she is towering over it .

Where do i pick up the fish

There's a pic in my album showing the height difference between the rm100 (same height/frame as kx85) and the dr-z. 85s got more suspension travel tho I think so it's not a huge difference when sitting on it?
Go the KIPS :woohoo:

[barty5]

There's a pic in my album showing the height difference between the rm100 (same height/frame as kx85) and the dr-z. 85s got more suspension travel tho I think so it's not a huge difference when sitting on it?
Go the KIPS :woohoo:

its about 70mm taller

[buffstar]

Well the honda would compliment my red hair (as a honda salesman once pointed out) but i think the green would provide a nice contrast... but my gear is blue and black so that's gonna clash with both bikes graaaaah!!! :bash:

once you are covered in sand and/or mud the riding gear dosnt matter:yes:

[FROSTY]

The seat height thing is actually a bit deceptive. LOOKING at a seat and SITTING on a seat of a trailee given shes about 65kg I think is about 60mm difference

[L Rider]

To throw the proverbial feline in amongst the birds.
Sammykins what is it about YOUR bike you don't like??
What about it DO you like??
What about the suzuki 85 --what about that do ya like/dislike?


Not sure if they changed the frame size with the RM85 but a RM80 has a shorter (as in length) frame than the CR80. Very noticeable when riding.

[L Rider]

so, how did you get on with test rides over the wknd? found which you like?

[barty5]

so, how did you get on with test rides over the wknd? found which you like?

someone hit the buy now before we could get to the cr but she did enjoy the ride on rupes kx85

[L Rider]

someone hit the buy now before we could get to the cr but she did enjoy the ride on rupes kx85


Gotta get in fast aye with the cheap good deals. I'm sure there'll be others that she could try out unless she's now thinking she'll go for the Kx?

[Sammikins]

The seat height thing is actually a bit deceptive. LOOKING at a seat and SITTING on a seat of a trailee given shes about 65kg I think is about 60mm difference

65kg??! Excuse me?! :bash::bash::bash:

[Sammikins]

so, how did you get on with test rides over the wknd? found which you like?

Kx85 was pretty choice, still preferred the height of the kx125 though, just not ready for a 125cc... 2T that is... need to find a cr85 to try out now...

[Sammikins]

To throw the proverbial feline in amongst the birds.
Sammykins what is it about YOUR bike you don't like??
What about it DO you like??
What about the suzuki 85 --what about that do ya like/dislike?

Guys not havin a go here but without answers to those questions its impossible to offer educated advise







I'd like to bet a chocky fish the answer is not likeing the shit suspension and lack of top end oomph-- and liking the 4 stroke bottom end power.

Crap suspension, underpowered, SLOW! Oh and the drum brake sucks, specially if it gets water in it and rusts.
Like the reliability, smooth delivery, and yeah bottom end power.

[B0000M]

Kx85 was pretty choice, still preferred the height of the kx125 though, just not ready for a 125cc... 2T that is... need to find a cr85 to try out now...

it sounds like i may be in auckland in the next few weeks for work. i also have a cr85

[FROSTY]

Crap suspension, underpowered, SLOW! Oh and the drum brake sucks, specially if it gets water in it and rusts.
Like the reliability, smooth delivery, and yeah bottom end power.
Ok have you tried a BIG wheel --ie the one with longer travel suspenders and disk front brakes?
Im sorta wondering if you would be better with a XR200
Four stroke and better get up n go than the suzuki

[Sammikins]

Ok have you tried a BIG wheel --ie the one with longer travel suspenders and disk front brakes?
Im sorta wondering if you would be better with a XR200
Four stroke and better get up n go than the suzuki

Too heavy, and yeah the 85 was a big wheel. I would love to stick with fourstrokes but the weight is a bit of an issue for me, so I'll just have to get used to twostrokes.

[FROSTY]

Too heavy, and yeah the 85 was a big wheel. I would love to stick with fourstrokes but the weight is a bit of an issue for me, so I'll just have to get used to twostrokes.
No a suzuki 125 big wheel :argh:

[L Rider]

Kx85 was pretty choice, still preferred the height of the kx125 though, just not ready for a 125cc... 2T that is... need to find a cr85 to try out now...

How tall are you? I sat on John's KX on the wknd & i could no where near touch the ground, even to get one foot down my butt was off the side of the seat lol - its not set up for my weight though.
I find mine perfect height for me.

[L Rider]

Too heavy, and yeah the 85 was a big wheel. I would love to stick with fourstrokes but the weight is a bit of an issue for me, so I'll just have to get used to twostrokes.

Weight issue is a biggie with the 4t & chicks i think.
You will have fun on a 2. No where near as scary as many pple make out. we had more pple telling us that they are no good to learn on & that they'd put me off bikes for life than pple saying good things about them.
So glad we didn't listen & i got mine.

[Sammikins]

Weight issue is a biggie with the 4t & chicks i think.
You will have fun on a 2. No where near as scary as many pple make out. we had more pple telling us that they are no good to learn on & that they'd put me off bikes for life than pple saying good things about them.
So glad we didn't listen & i got mine.

Yeah Im sure I will manage, the powerband thing did give me a wee bit of a fright every now and then, caught me out once and ended up doing some wierd wheelie jumpy thingy over a bank ahhaha but Im like not majorly worried, and yeah if I do end up really really hating it I can always sell it no harm done...

[L Rider]

Yeah Im sure I will manage, the powerband thing did give me a wee bit of a fright every now and then, caught me out once and ended up doing some wierd wheelie jumpy thingy over a bank ahhaha but Im like not majorly worried, and yeah if I do end up really really hating it I can always sell it no harm done...

Lol yeah i've done similar a few times - you get use to it. Or you can change sprockets - thats no expensive to tame it down a bit & give it bit down low.

[barty5]

No a suzuki 125 big wheel :argh:

she has one already

[Sammikins]

How tall are you? I sat on John's KX on the wknd & i could no where near touch the ground, even to get one foot down my butt was off the side of the seat lol - its not set up for my weight though.
I find mine perfect height for me.

1.7m... the seat on aarons kx had been shaved a bit though, could kinda touch the ground on tippy toes, but was all good.

[L Rider]

1.7m... the seat on aarons kx had been shaved a bit though, could kinda touch the ground on tippy toes, but was all good.

You're a fraction taller than me - i think i'm bout 166cm.

[Crisis management]

Don't stress about this getting you feet on the ground bit, I can just tip toe on the 200 and on the 990 can only get one foot down.....if I stuff that one up it gets painfull really fast!
As long as one foot ends up on the ground, that's all you need, once your moving (and that is the idea, right?) your feet aren't supposed to be dragging along beside you. Just practise starting and stopping with one foot down, I've always ridden that way and thats been 30 odd years...I haven't died yet.

[Sammikins]

Don't stress about this getting you feet on the ground bit, I can just tip toe on the 200 and on the 990 can only get one foot down.....if I stuff that one up it gets painfull really fast!
As long as one foot ends up on the ground, that's all you need, once your moving (and that is the idea, right?) your feet aren't supposed to be dragging along beside you. Just practise starting and stopping with one foot down, I've always ridden that way and thats been 30 odd years...I haven't died yet.

That's how it was on the kx125, one foot down was enough, but before the seat was shaved i couldn't even get one leg over the seat... hahaha

[lizzywutang]

yeah i agree with crisis - i am 1.65cm and although i have had the springs in my RM125 changed to match my weight (thanks to danger) - i definately don't have both feet on the ground when sitting and i get on fine... the best thing i ever did was take the leap from my DRZ125L to the RM125... haven't looked back... and the powerband - it's all part of the fun and you quickly get used to it...

[L Rider]

Don't stress about this getting you feet on the ground bit, I can just tip toe on the 200 and on the 990 can only get one foot down.....if I stuff that one up it gets painfull really fast!
As long as one foot ends up on the ground, that's all you need, once your moving (and that is the idea, right?) your feet aren't supposed to be dragging along beside you. Just practise starting and stopping with one foot down, I've always ridden that way and thats been 30 odd years...I haven't died yet.


Hubby rides like that - doesn't bother him - but me well i just can't do it lol gotta be able to put both feet down if need be - i need to often.

So if you're comfortable riding like that Sammikins then you'll be sweet

[L Rider]

That's how it was on the kx125, one foot down was enough, but before the seat was shaved i couldn't even get one leg over the seat... hahaha

to get my leg over John's it was a effort alright.

[FROSTY]

she has one already
Nahh its the drum brake one--thats the small wheel--honust eenjun

[FROSTY]

Hubby rides like that - doesn't bother him - but me well i just can't do it lol gotta be able to put both feet down if need be - i need to often.

So if you're comfortable riding like that Sammikins then you'll be sweet
Nail on head --What happens is as confidence and experience grows the smaller the bikes feel.
Young william is now 5 feet tall and is only one foot on the ground on his KX85 but he's happy as a sandboy. Actually I chucked him on the 125 honda and he was fine on that too.
Sammykins I kinda thought about this with you over the weekend and I do wonder if you shouldnt give a kx125 a bit of a squirt and see how ya feel. Its actually not that unpleasant burbling along at low revs and the real kick doesn't come till ya give its neck a bit of a wring.
All I'm suggesting here is give it a burst

[barty5]

Nahh its the drum brake one--thats the small wheel--honust eenjun

dont know where your getting your info from but she hasa drz125L which is big wheel and both the small and large are drum rear.

[SpikedPunch]

Nahh its the drum brake one--thats the small wheel--honust eenjun

You're confuzzed - the dr-z 125 little wheel has drum brakes front and rear, the big wheel has a disc front, drum rear :)

[FROSTY]

I must be pissed--I thought her bike had a drum front brake

[Sammikins]

I must be pissed--I thought her bike had a drum front brake

no just rear. and yeah i have had a go on a 125, was mint, just wanna go with somethin less powerful first. its a bit of a leap from the drz to a 125 2t

[cheese]

to get my leg over John's it was a effort alright.

LOL I just had to say that I read that comment without reading the rest of the thread first and had a quiet little laugh to myself!! Not such a little John huh?

Anyway, your bike, are you sure you want to jump into a MX bike? The fact that you said somewhere that you use the lower end of the rev range I wonder if you will be well suited to a 2 smoker MX bike. I just wonder if there is some mods you can do to your DRZ to liven it up? No doubt you will learn fast on a MX bike, but maybe the likes of a 150 4 stroke will be better? or are they all shit?

[barty5]

LOL I just had to say that I read that comment without reading the rest of the thread first and had a quiet little laugh to myself!! Not such a little John huh?

Anyway, your bike, are you sure you want to jump into a MX bike? The fact that you said somewhere that you use the lower end of the rev range I wonder if you will be well suited to a 2 smoker MX bike. I just wonder if there is some mods you can do to your DRZ to liven it up? No doubt you will learn fast on a MX bike, but maybe the likes of a 150 4 stroke will be better? or are they all shit?

The weight is also a big factor here as well the 150 4s are to much for her to pick up once a little tired becomes a real strugle then your that knackered you just end up droppin it again.

[L Rider]

LOL I just had to say that I read that comment without reading the rest of the thread first and had a quiet little laugh to myself!! Not such a little John huh?


haha thats why you need to read everything not just bits!! lol or probably i should word things a bit better:Oops:

[cheese]

Bah I couldn't be bothered scrolling through 8 pages. I knew what you were on about, thought it was just funny.

Barty - if the weight is such a big issue, how about a BMX? Just having a laugh about what some women perceive is heavy is a state of mind. I've watched a neighbour complain that the 7kg weed eater was too heavy for her to pick up and then she went and picked up a 15kg child without hesitation.

[Sammikins]

Bah I couldn't be bothered scrolling through 8 pages. I knew what you were on about, thought it was just funny.

Barty - if the weight is such a big issue, how about a BMX? Just having a laugh about what some women perceive is heavy is a state of mind. I've watched a neighbour complain that the 7kg weed eater was too heavy for her to pick up and then she went and picked up a 15kg child without hesitation.

Had a go on Reckless's daughters CRF150, had a little more pep and the height/weight was a wee bit better but still I'm sure I'll get over it in no time. And the weight is an issue, picking up something off the ground that is double my body wieght is kinda difficult, also the fact that I wind up under the bike with my legs tangled up in it doesn't help.

[B0000M]

cheese you're begining to sound like the rest of the 4 stroke population!

an 85 will be sweet as. light and plenty of power with good suspension.

if theres not enough bottom end, chuck a pipe on it. its not like they take off and do backflips when the revs get up anyway.

kids around the world learnt how to be good riders on 80/85s for the last 25 years - its not that hard

[scott411]

flywheel weight would be a better and cheaper option for more bottom end,
FMF fatty's are about the only pipe around that make better bottom end on 85's

[Sammikins]

cheese you're begining to sound like the rest of the 4 stroke population!

an 85 will be sweet as. light and plenty of power with good suspension.

if theres not enough bottom end, chuck a pipe on it. its not like they take off and do backflips when the revs get up anyway.

kids around the world learnt how to be good riders on 80/85s for the last 25 years - its not that hard

Exactly. So many ladies on here started off on 85's and are doing fine. If they cope, why the hell can't I?

[L Rider]

You will be totally fine. Maybe by saying "you'll just have to get use to it" pple have interrupted that as you not being that keen???

Seems to me that you have made your decision to go for an 85. Good choice i reckon.
Don't let people talk to out of it. You know how to ride a bike - i didn't when i got mine. I didn't even know how to start it, change gears - nothing.
Yeah i've come off mine but nothing major & i'm far from scared of it.

Go for it you won't be dissappointed.

[cheese]

Just throwing options out there that's all. Sure you'll be fine on your 85.

[random rider]

You will be totally fine. Maybe by saying "you'll just have to get use to it" pple have interrupted that as you not being that keen???

Seems to me that you have made your decision to go for an 85. Good choice i reckon.
Don't let people talk to out of it. You know how to ride a bike - i didn't when i got mine. I didn't even know how to start it, change gears - nothing.
Yeah i've come off mine but nothing major & i'm far from scared of it.

Go for it you won't be dissappointed.

I agree - on another thread people were talking about moving up to higher spec bikes and sizes too soon. I agree that it is good to learn skills on a slightly smaller bike and then move up.

Hell I totally get the lifting bike off yourself. I was out alone and came a massive cropper and legs caught and bike litterally on top of me....lifting it up was a nightmare. :argh: In saying that I can lift my bike onto the car rack I have without help normally!

[B0000M]

onto the car rack I have without help normally!

where do you get these from? i want to have a look at a few to see how they work.

would be handy if im doing a long trip - eg auckland to be able to drive my car up there instead of having to take the van or trailer

[Sammikins]

where do you get these from? i want to have a look at a few to see how they work.

would be handy if im doing a long trip - eg auckland to be able to drive my car up there instead of having to take the van or trailer

Seen them on Trademe. Can't find any at the moment though

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Other/auction-226481901.htm

[random rider]

where do you get these from? i want to have a look at a few to see how they work.

would be handy if im doing a long trip - eg auckland to be able to drive my car up there instead of having to take the van or trailer

Guy by the name of Derek Lane - I will hunt out his details for you. Had to get a custom towbar for the down weight but cost of rack vs. cost of trailer/parking it/WOF etc is still cheaper for me.
Mine you can't ride bike up to it but lift it into the slots. If you are in AKL you are welcome to come and have a look.
It gives me freedom - well as much as my car allows anyway :scooter:

[Sammikins]

I'm highly contemplating getting one... do they all require special towbars?

[raglanash]

There is an 03 CR85 at Hamilton motorcycles, they want 3.5k. It has been sitting there for over a year, I talked to one of the guys there when I was looking for an 85 for my wife, I think they traded it for around 2.5k, I recon you could get it for that or maybe even less. Its been hanging out there for ages. Its on their website. www.hamiltonmotorcycles.co.nz

[Sammikins]

There is an 03 CR85 at Hamilton motorcycles, they want 3.5k. It has been sitting there for over a year, I talked to one of the guys there when I was looking for an 85 for my wife, I think they traded it for around 2.5k, I recon you could get it for that or maybe even less. Its been hanging out there for ages. Its on their website. www.hamiltonmotorcycles.co.nz

Not really keen on spending anything over $2000 for an 03, although they did drop the price on my DRZ by about $1300...

[random rider]

I'm highly contemplating getting one... do they all require special towbars?

Yeah - fortunately. Most towbars (well for cars) are used to pulling and not the pressure being pushed down directly on it. North Shore towbars put mine on and wasn't an issue. Also means that if I do tow something the tow bar is real secure and strong so no issues.
When first got the rack had to get people to help me for a start as just couldn't lift - it is about technique. I really like it.
Took the bike on the back to Tussock buster - fuel on car was ok and it didn't slow me down - I was one of the suckers that got a speeding ticket:bash:

[Sammikins]

Yeah - fortunately. Most towbars (well for cars) are used to pulling and not the pressure being pushed down directly on it. North Shore towbars put mine on and wasn't an issue. Also means that if I do tow something the tow bar is real secure and strong so no issues.
When first got the rack had to get people to help me for a start as just couldn't lift - it is about technique. I really like it.
Took the bike on the back to Tussock buster - fuel on car was ok and it didn't slow me down - I was one of the suckers that got a speeding ticket:bash:

Lmao Nth shore towbars, i think my father in law works there. How much did you pay for your carrier thingy??

[random rider]

Lmao Nth shore towbars, i think my father in law works there. How much did you pay for your carrier thingy??

Rack was $300-$350 ish - I think ;) and then the tow bar was just under $500. So when compared to trailer that I wouldn't use for anything else it made sense. The "arms" come off so not always on there.
I know it ain't for everyone but is just me and gives me freedom to go out riding and saves my brother and SIL having to cart my bike around for me.

Here's his details: derek.lane@xtra.co.nz - he is real nice guy

[B0000M]

Not really keen on spending anything over $2000 for an 03, although they did drop the price on my DRZ by about $1300...

as a benchmark, i paid $3500 for an 06 bigwheel, which looks to have done very little use, FMF pipe, FMF muffler, Vforce reeds, Pro Taper? or similar fat bars, hour meter (not on since new) race start thing on the fork, new FLU graphics kit, and in real tidy condition.

[noobi]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-228886020.htm

[Rupe]

as a benchmark, i paid $3500 for an 06 bigwheel, which looks to have done very little use, FMF pipe, FMF muffler, Vforce reeds, Pro Taper? or similar fat bars, hour meter (not on since new) race start thing on the fork, new FLU graphics kit, and in real tidy condition.

ouch, lucky hondas are the best bike in the world:yawn::bash:

[B0000M]

ouch, lucky hondas are the best bike in the world:yawn::bash:

im confused about what you;re saying


and yes, hondas are the best bike in the world

[barty5]

im confused about what you;re saying


and yes, hondas are the best bike in the world

Nah there noy who won the AMA wasnt a honda not even close

[cheese]

Cause we all buy a bike because of AMA standings..... Not!

[B0000M]

well if we consider most consecutive ama wins, which would indicate consistant best bike-ly-ness, then honda / mcgrath wins

[SpikedPunch]

Not necessarily relevant but in defence of MXers on the trail, looks like a lot of the women doing well in gncc etc ride 125 smokers. :rockon:

...Personally I'd recommend a nice 100, I hear they're the best bike ever :rolleyes:

[Rupe]

im confused about what you;re saying


and yes, hondas are the best bike in the world

seems a bit expensive, got some fruit on it though. Hondas seem expensive thats all.

[Sammikins]

well if we consider most consecutive ama wins, which would indicate consistant best bike-ly-ness, then honda / mcgrath wins

Did Honda/McGrath win on an 85??

[B0000M]

Did Honda/McGrath win on an 85??

lol, no sorry

[A&R]

Got a kx85 and rm85 will be in sandpit probably wednesday or sometime this week. Drop me a pm and you can have a go on both. The rm85 has been modified a bit (ports opened up and jetted different, uses more fuel now too) I imagine a bit more like a cr or yz. It has less bottom end than the kx but more peaky top end.

[Sammikins]

Got a kx85 and rm85 will be in sandpit probably wednesday or sometime this week. Drop me a pm and you can have a go on both. The rm85 has been modified a bit (ports opened up and jetted different, uses more fuel now too) I imagine a bit more like a cr or yz. It has less bottom end than the kx but more peaky top end.

If I see you around at Sandpit this weekend I'd be keen as a bean!

[Midget200]

If I see you around at Sandpit this weekend I'd be keen as a bean!

Yeah I'm sold on my KX85! Oh yeah it rocks. Went out today and it went like a dream. Yeah having a bit of trouble with the power band, but it's got some cool power! Different from a 4 stoke, but the weight is way cool! I'm sure that 'harnessing' the power will come with time! Just awesome bike. You're more than welcome to have a ride!

With the trailer thing, yeah get out there early. I drive, in and drive out, don't do much of the reversing thing! Don't be too proud to accept help if it's offered either! The guys are way cool at the bike park and always willing to help out!

[Rupe]

Yeah I'm sold on my KX85! Oh yeah it rocks. Went out today and it went like a dream. Yeah having a bit of trouble with the power band, but it's got some cool power! Different from a 4 stoke, but the weight is way cool! I'm sure that 'harnessing' the power will come with time! Just awesome bike. You're more than welcome to have a ride!

With the trailer thing, yeah get out there early. I drive, in and drive out, don't do much of the reversing thing! Don't be too proud to accept help if it's offered either! The guys are way cool at the bike park and always willing to help out!

good to see you like it.

When reversing go slow as, so the mistakes are smaller and easier to correct. If you just want to go in a straight line backwards you can keep an eye on the wing mirrors. if you start to see more of the trailer in one than the other, turn gently towards it and it will straighten.

[flyingcr250]

good to see you like it.

When reversing go slow as, so the mistakes are smaller and easier to correct. If you just want to go in a straight line backwards you can keep an eye on the wing mirrors. if you start to see more of the trailer in one than the other, turn gently towards it and it will straighten.

no no no, the trick is to go as fast as you can doing the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time, :2guns: and then say "oh well lucky my boyfriend is a panelbeater" :argue:

[barty5]

no no no, the trick is to go as fast as you can doing the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time, :2guns: and then say "oh well lucky my boyfriend is a panelbeater" :argue:

But he is a hair dresser ??????????

[flyingcr250]

But he is a hair dresser ??????????

was talking bout my exgirlfriend the trailer wrecking, car breaking, crackwhore. :laugh::laugh:

[secondfield]

But he is a hair dresser ??????????

Nah' thats her husband aint it :innocent:

[barty5]

Nah' thats her husband aint it :innocent:

yup...........

[A&R]

If I see you around at Sandpit this weekend I'd be keen as a bean!

Will be at the pit tomorrow, Thursday. Couldn't get a trailer today.
If anyones from KB there come over and say hi. have a landcruiser with hirepool trailer and a load of bikes on board + at least 4 kids!!!

[Sammikins]

no no no, the trick is to go as fast as you can doing the most amount of damage in the shortest amount of time, :2guns: and then say "oh well lucky my boyfriend is a panelbeater" :argue:

No in my case its "Lucky my Daddy is a panel beater and looooves doin freebies, he'll fix it up awesome as, I promise" followed by a phonecall to said father "Daaaad, I love you...." , "Oh Daughter...what have you done/broken/damaged this time?..." :innocent: