Would you race superbike?

[CHOPPA]

Apart from the "cost" issue would you actually want to race the Superbike class on a 1000cc bike?

Theres lots of bla bla bla about the reason being cost etc etc but if it cost the same to race the superbike class as say F3 would you?

Or are you just happy with racing F2 F3 etc etc?

[DEATH_INC.]

You bet your ass I would.
It's ONLY the lack of funds that stop me....

[Whitebait]

You bet I would Uncle Chop Chop...........since your out of action for a little while wanna hook a brother up??:whistle:

[koba]

Dunno, If I won the lotto and could buy a competitive bike stright away I would definatley buy somthing slower first, I would then move up when I felt I wnated to and do it that way rather than just jumping straight on one.

[ajturbo]

i know my skill level is not up to the bike.... so no

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hell yeah!

[k14]

At this stage I would say no, just because I know that I am not up to the task. But after a few years on a 600 I might change my mind.

[cowpoos]

Done it...currently getting out of debt...to do it all again :)

[HDTboy]

I'd wait until I was near the front of 600sp consistently before thinking of Superbike. I stepped up to F2 too quickly for my skill level, and broke myself because of it.
Incidentally I was offered a superbike to race for a couple of rounds, and had to turn it down (it's been a while since I raced a 600).

[Str8 Jacket]

I wonder if I could blow up a superbike?...

[codgyoleracer]

Sure would, but the 50K minimum budget each year (assuming you want to do nationals) is a pain in the arse, followed by replacing the entire kit 2 years later........ Superbikes are Fun with a capital "F", may they long continue in whatever form.
Glen

[Sparky Bills]

Yip for sure!
I wouldnt care about being at the back. If I had a fully kitted Superbike to race id be the happiest lad in the land. :2thumbsup

Would be a steep learning curve though.

[jrandom]

I'm not fast enough to place, but I am timid enough to probably not hurt myself (much), so hell yeah.

If I magically became a gentleman of independent means, superbike racing would be my first choice of expensive hobby.

It's not a hobby for anyone with a life, a normal income and no corporate sponsorship, though.

[Tony.OK]

It's not a hobby for anyone with a life, a normal income and no corporate sponsorship, though.

Luckily I had no life before I started...................:weep:

Normal income and no sponsors is though a very painful thing when ya just wanna get out there and do it.

But hey...........I have a nice new toy in the shed, so can at least look at it and imagine it on the track :2thumbsup


So my answer is : HELL YEAH!!

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

The more power and the bigger the slids the better! Hopefully get to have a play in F1 soon.

[neil_cb125t]

Just 50K aye - why isit so much more than 600ss, or are they similar??

I suppose there are club racers - who go round and round.

Or you aim for the top. F1 hell yeah!!



Sure would, but the 50K minimum budget each year (assuming you want to do nationals) is a pain in the arse, followed by replacing the entire kit 2 years later........ Superbikes are Fun with a capital "F", may they long continue in whatever form.
Glen

[KS34]

For sure! Trying to put a season together (money, bike etc). Even if it is just the one season so I can say I have.

[Goblin]

I'd be happy just to get another start in f3 and posties this summer. Superbikes would be too far out of my league.:crazy:

[sinfull]

Nah, I'm far too old to be getting into that sort of shannanigans

[johan]

I would think twice before I'd commit to ride a ~180 hp superbike machinery competitively.

[Maido]

Hell yea! I had planned 2 seasons ago to ride one this year, but to be honest, I am in love with the 600 class!
I had such a hoot at the nationals just been that I decided to give it at least another year, it was honestly the most fun I have ever had racing.
The other reason was numbers, I would rather finish down the order in a bigger class than right up the front in a smaller class. With more numbers, there is always someone a little faster to pull you along and help you improve.

[scrivy]

I WOULDN'T WANNA STEP BACKWARDS TO A MEAGER 180 Hp!!!!:2thumbsup

[Deano]

Hell yeah - no question.

I've punted my thou round the track on open days and it is the shizzle.

[MIXONE]

i know my skill level is not up to the bike.... so no

+1.Too bloody late unfortunately!

[NinjaBoy]

For sure! Trying to put a season together (money, bike etc). Even if it is just the one season so I can say I have.

One season is never enough.

[Rcktfsh]

Sure would, but the 50K minimum budget each year (assuming you want to do nationals) is a pain in the arse, followed by replacing the entire kit 2 years later........ Superbikes are Fun with a capital "F", may they long continue in whatever form.
Glen

What are these nationals you speak off? 5 months out from the start MNZ is showing no information regarding 2010 on it's website.

[Tony.OK]

What are these nationals you speak off? 5 months out from the start MNZ is showing no information regarding 2010 on it's website.

Hahaa have just emailed P Pav this morning to ask when things will be announced, hard to sort proposals etc out without any facts aye.:crazy:

[sugilite]

Superbikes are a drug. Sigh :weep:

[SPman]

I'd like to try buckets one day...........

[Drogen Omen]

if Buells make it to the superbike class then hell yeah....

[ajturbo]

I'd like to try buckets one day...........
i think we would expect you to prove you could handle one first.....

[mossy1200]

Is someone giving one away.Pick me pick me.

[KS34]

One season is never enough.

Ha Ha, never a truer word spoken young man! Although it is one way of my lovely wife accepting the intended Doom.

[Patch]

hmmm . . . probably not - they is a bit slow I reckon, I'd get bored eventually

now Jet sprinting . . .

[Whitebait]

Sounds like superbike riders may have addictive personalities........

Maybe start a poll Choppa...........whats better for you............................... smoking crack or racing a superbike!!:eek5:

[lostinflyz]

superbike racing freaks me out. the one track day ive done on my 1000 just kinda flipped me out. i dont comprehend the world that way and its a real task to push anything. but its unbeleivable fun.

but i like f3. its nice and cruisy and you can push and jump off in fun ways without excessive injury. maybe f1 scares me cause im just such a crasher.

[Marknz]

no, can't see myself getting beyond clubbies and F2 to be honest. But then I might surprise myself...

[Brownstoo]

Fuck yes!
The only 'buts' here are that students don't have money and I still have chicken strips.

[CHOPPA]

Now that we have established that almost everyone would like to ride superbike instead of there current class why dont you???

There is a cheap way to race club superbike on the same budget you can run F2 and most of the faster F3 and pro twins bikes...

[puddytat]

Id like a blat on one....

but to race ,they're way fasterer than I am:gob:

[mossy1200]

Now that we have established that almost everyone would like to ride superbike instead of there current class why dont you???

There is a cheap way to race club superbike on the same budget you can run F2 and most of the faster F3 and pro twins bikes...
Your coments were followed by a link to LG Motorsports so i have submitted my application for sponcership.Now I wonder if that is what you ment by a cheap way.
Alternate would be someone can buy my 21 year old FZR1000 and race that in F1. sure a sub 1.14 is easy for someone who can ride(unlike myself).Although saying that I did qualify in round one and two and didnt come last.

I sit in my shed with wets on my posty waiting for it to rain 2minutes before the start of lg superbike race so that i can win me a dvd player.

[CHOPPA]

Your coments were followed by a link to LG Motorsports so i have submitted my application for sponcership.Now I wonder if that is what you ment by a cheap way.
Alternate would be someone can buy my 21 year old FZR1000 and race that in F1. sure a sub 1.14 is easy for someone who can ride(unlike myself).Although saying that I did qualify in round one and two and didnt come last.

I sit in my shed with wets on my posty waiting for it to rain 2minutes before the start of lg superbike race so that i can win me a dvd player.

haha nice! I didnt even get the dvd player, its a lucky dip... Yeah your on the right track, my main point im trying to make is everyone always says superbikes is too expensive but its only as expensive as you want it to be so its just an excuse....

[Wingnut]

haha nice! I didnt even get the dvd player, its a lucky dip... Yeah your on the right track, my main point im trying to make is everyone always says superbikes is too expensive but its only as expensive as you want it to be so its just an excuse....

But does that not depend on weather you wish to be competitive or not??

I dont think its an excuse - more a reality. If I could run a one litre and do it as cheap as what it costs me to run my 400 - then obviously I would. But reality is, thats not possible. Even just in the tyre dept. Or perhaps you just dont realise how smaller budget some people have to run on.

[Deano]

Now that we have established that almost everyone would like to ride superbike instead of there current class why dont you???

There is a cheap way to race club superbike on the same budget you can run F2 and most of the faster F3 and pro twins bikes...

My SV owes me $10k.

I calculated that I spent approximately $6000 on racing last year.

$1850 of this was sponsored in some way so actual cost to me was about $4150.

That was the winter series, Wanganui, Paeroa and the Cliffhanger.

Without some serious sponsorship, I really doubt I could run a SBK on that budget.

[Kiwi Graham]

But does that not depend on weather you wish to be competitive or not??

I dont think its an excuse - more a reality. If I could run a one litre and do it as cheap as what it costs me to run my 400 - then obviously I would. But reality is, thats not possible. Even just in the tyre dept. Or perhaps you just dont realise how smaller budget some people have to run on.

I sort of agree.

Running a 'superbike' V's running a 'litre' bike!

To be ultra competitive of course its going to be fukin expensive. But to simply ‘compete’, need not be.
I’m coming back to racing after a break of some time and will be doing it on a litre bike with very few mods from road guise, seeing if it’s still what I want to do, and doing it as cheaply as possible starting in the clubmans class. If I still ‘have what it takes’ what ever that means I’ll consider moving on to F1 etc.

My intension is to race for the thrill and love of the sport rather than try and win the championship. There is no getting away from the fact that to be competitive (and providing you have the talent) and run up at the front in a ‘serious’ class is going to cost money, regardless of what class your in.

[aff-man]

haha nice! I didnt even get the dvd player, its a lucky dip... Yeah your on the right track, my main point im trying to make is everyone always says superbikes is too expensive but its only as expensive as you want it to be so its just an excuse....

unfortunately not chop...

And the main reason is...tyres.

Sure a super competative sv rider may change thier tyres every race but they don't need to.

You look at your tyres after a couple races and an f3 riders tyres? Never raced on new slicks for this reason.

Also (and this goes for every level) but the bigger and faster and more powerfull the bike the more cash you need to put into it to keep you safe with regards to suspension etc. You know what its like pushing a machine that starts doing interesting things in the corners...

That being said id do it. Started my racing from the deep end and its a good way to learn if you've got a level head.

[Drew]

Getting a bike can be cheap, if you're in the right place right time. But running the bike does cost a bit more mate.

Tyres is just the start, I've got a 4 year old bike, that is semi competitive, but unless something happens pretty soon, I'll have to sit some rounds out ot pay for the head to be serviced.

[Tony.OK]

Getting a bike can be cheap, if you're in the right place right time. But running the bike does cost a bit more mate.

Tyres is just the start, I've got a 4 year old bike, that is semi competitive, but unless something happens pretty soon, I'll have to sit some rounds out ot pay for the head to be serviced.

Let me know which races your sitting out bro..........................might have to enter those ones hahaaa:bleh:

I can see what Chop's saying in regard to F2 v's F1, the difference in running costs would be very similar, especially given that F2 can have an extra race per meeting.

There are ways around some costs............tyres can be second hand ones, but that can be dodgey if they're past their best....................aye Drew?
I ran with a stock engine last season and my only running cost was some oil, filters and you guessed it............tyres.
I guess it all boils down to where you want to be in the field, if your happy to just be there then costs can be reduced by a good amount, if ya wanna be at the sharp end.............in any class............it's going to cost money at some stage...................welcome to racing:niceone:

[scrivy]

Ok, here it is.....

You solo boys are all poofters.......... :spanking::nono:

Why complain about tyre wear, suspension, costs involved and the like, when you all know the answer is right in front of you.

Go racing sidecars!!! :clap::headbang:
I used a near canvas rear tyre to set the lap record at Timaru last year, against ultra competitve machinery too.
I use 1 front tyre every 18 months, 2 rears a year, brake pads... what the feck are they?? 1 chain a year. Brake fluid and oil changes??? WTF?? Don't do enough miles to warrant it.....
..........and........ we have more Hp than your superbikes too!!! We're allowed 1300cc!!! Why settle for anything less???

It just leaves ya extra money for travel and accommodation, beer and debauchery................ :devil2:

[wharfy]

If money wasn't a concern (like I won lotto : ) Yeah I'd do it, I'd be fuckn slow but hey SOMEONE has to come last :)

I probably wouldn't do the nats though - way to slow for that just get in the way.

[CHOPPA]

But does that not depend on weather you wish to be competitive or not??

I dont think its an excuse - more a reality. If I could run a one litre and do it as cheap as what it costs me to run my 400 - then obviously I would. But reality is, thats not possible. Even just in the tyre dept. Or perhaps you just dont realise how smaller budget some people have to run on.

You guys are agreeing with me in a sense, the reason behind it is not the money but the fact your gonna get beaten. Whats wrong with an older apparently uncompetitive bike? Do you think you would be able to win if you were on a new bike?

You dont have to have new tyres, the tyres im running in oz are as hard as fuck, i did a full practice day on stock suspension running good lap times and at the end of the day they were fine. I actually used them the next day for practice and qualifying and i sold them for $300au cause they still were mint for a road tyre.

[CHOPPA]

BTW im not saying to all the F3 riders go race superbike lol I think all the other classes are really good but if you really want to race superbike theres always a way. Theres heaps of threads on here complaining that superbike is too expensive. It doesnt have to be at club level and if there were more 1000cc bikes then its more likely that they will add a pre 2000 class to run combined as so many want. They aint gonna make a new class and say oh all you guys that said you wanted this can race now cause those people are full of shite

[Deano]

You guys are agreeing with me in a sense, the reason behind it is not the money but the fact your gonna get beaten.

For me it is simply the cost - refer my earlier post with my costs for the SV650. I would use at least twice as many tyres on a thou.

I don't race my CBR thou cause it's my baby and I don't want to risk binning it.

I know I would get beaten but I reckon I would do alright on a thou.

[Clivoris]

Great thread Chop. I can't get my hollow head around a (old and uncompetitive) 600 yet so I can't even contemplate racing a Superbike. Part of me would love to but I think the chickenitis will bite hard first.

[Shaun P]

I would only consider superstock 1000 funded primarily by myself again, main reason being cost and availability of slicks.

[CHOPPA]

For me it is simply the cost - refer my earlier post with my costs for the SV650. I would use at least twice as many tyres on a thou.

I don't race my CBR thou cause it's my baby and I don't want to risk binning it.

I know I would get beaten but I reckon I would do alright on a thou.

Yeah i hear ya, someone in your situation would cost more because you have the ability to out ride a sub standard thou... But.... I might even try prove my theory at testing next friday cause ill be testing on my ozzy rubber, but if you run these road compound tyres they arnt too much of a disadvantage and they would last 3 rounds so 2 sets over the whole series and you wouldnt need wets*

Apart from the tyre situation i really dont see how a 1000cc bike cost more then an sv and there is an answer to the tyre argument. Personally id rather run a thou on the harder tyre then ride an sv :bleh: would be good to see you on a thou! You were f*cken fast at that hillclimb, maybe you should see tony about some fairings or something :msn-wink:

[Deano]

Yeah i hear ya, someone in your situation would cost more because you have the ability to out ride a sub standard thou... But.... I might even try prove my theory at testing next friday cause ill be testing on my ozzy rubber, but if you run these road compound tyres they arnt too much of a disadvantage and they would last 3 rounds so 2 sets over the whole series and you wouldnt need wets*

Apart from the tyre situation i really dont see how a 1000cc bike cost more then an sv and there is an answer to the tyre argument. Personally id rather run a thou on the harder tyre then ride an sv :bleh: would be good to see you on a thou! You were f*cken fast at that hillclimb, maybe you should see tony about some fairings or something :msn-wink:

Cheers bro - appreciate that.

I reckon I'll get there one day in the not too distant future...maybe a couple of years.

[DEATH_INC.]

You guys are agreeing with me in a sense, the reason behind it is not the money but the fact your gonna get beaten.
No, it's simply the money for me. I can't afford a bucket budget, let alone F1...
I raced the old SRAD for a bit, I think I got 2nd to last at manfield most of the time, when I didn't crash....after the first round I knew there was no chance of a good finish...

Whats wrong with an older apparently uncompetitive bike?
When you're a competitive person, it's massively frustrating having guys you know you can outride blast past you on all the straight bits....



Do you think you would be able to win if you were on a new bike?
Maybe not win, but I think I could run near the sharp end...

[CHOPPA]

No, it's simply the money for me. I can't afford a bucket budget, let alone F1...
I raced the old SRAD for a bit, I think I got 2nd to last at manfield most of the time, when I didn't crash....after the first round I knew there was no chance of a good finish...

WELL ITS CERTAINLY MORE EXPENSIVE THEN NOT RACING LOL

When you're a competitive person, it's massively frustrating having guys you know you can outride blast past you on all the straight bits....

YES TRUE BUT ITS FUN AS WELL, I RACED A 600 IN F1 LAST YEAR

Maybe not win, but I think I could run near the sharp end...

If you can run at the pointy end on a good bike then on a $10k bike with hard tyres you could as well. Thats all it cost to set up my k7 superstock bike, also i have a 180hp k7 in race trim for 10k over here. Thats about the same price as a half decent sv. Still thats more then a bucket hahaha

[brads]

Im not sure I buy into all this about tyres being the main reason SBK is to expensive,last year I did 2 club days,1 track day and half a day of friday practice at teretonga on 1 set of tyres,aound 80 laps all up,soft front,medium rear,the left overs from the nats are going to be used up during the winter series where the conditions are going to be colder so times will be slower,no point in tearing up new tyres if your not going to gain from it,just have to use your head.Yes the top guys in most classes change there tyres every race(during the nats),doesnt mean everyone has to,problem is, people think to stay competitive you have to,but are they competitve to start with?

[Drew]

If you can run at the pointy end on a good bike then on a $10k bike with hard tyres you could as well. Thats all it cost to set up my k7 superstock bike, also i have a 180hp k7 in race trim for 10k over here. Thats about the same price as a half decent sv. Still thats more then a bucket hahaha

You are setting your bike up, to run in Superstock, on the tyres you have to run there.

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

ps. Your 180 horse weapon, was a deal done by Suzuki New Zealand, for team LG. Not available to Joe Bloggs. What I got my bike for, is cheaper than I have seen anything that'd compete with it for.


Im not sure I buy into all this about tyres being the main reason SBK is to expensive,last year I did 2 club days,1 track day and half a day of friday practice at teretonga on 1 set of tyres,aound 80 laps all up,soft front,medium rear,the left overs from the nats are going to be used up during the winter series where the conditions are going to be colder so times will be slower,no point in tearing up new tyres if your not going to gain from it,just have to use your head.Yes the top guys in most classes change there tyres every race(during the nats),doesnt mean everyone has to,problem is, people think to stay competitive you have to,but are they competitve to start with?Read above.

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

[cowpoos]

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

[Deano]

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

Didn't you win IOMTT last year bro ? Don't be modest now.:msn-wink:

[Drew]

Top guys do their setups on used tyres...209GP's,super corsa pro's,etc are fine on a thou...have a nosey and see what the guys who race Isle of man use on their 200hp missles...road tyres!!

You ever have a go on a wanked superbike Ryan? Or are you talking second hand knowledge here? Are you trying to tell me, that the first tyres Andrew Stroud put on his K8, were used? Or for that matter, that he left the standard tyres on it from the shop? I doubt it lots. Perhaps he rode it a couple times before the suspension was done, and the motor had ever pony wrung out of it, on road tyres. But he set it up, with whatever he intended to race on, or he aint that bright.

If not, perhaps he should have, and Bugden mightn't have beaten him again.

I can understand running road tyres at th Isle of Man...On the road

[Bren_chch]

ok assuming i didn't have a bike... which i don't.

I would race super bike nationals on a: 05/06 Gsxr1000 or a r1, std engine, Slipon pipe and 2 sets of fairings, 1 set of rims. i'd want ohlins front and rear, and I could do a nationals on 4k worth of tires. I wouldnt be fussed where i finished.

Bike: MIGHT get one for - 11k? (cheapest)
Ohlins front and rear - 4500k???
Slipon Muffler 900 - 1100k for top of line??
2 sets of fairings - 900 (used)
Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round $600?

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

OK at the end of it i have a great bike for club racing and have learnt a huge amount from racing the national series and being with the top riders in NZ and i'm all set machine wise for maybe another national series.

Assuming i do another national series the costs would be:

Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round 600?

Total: $7,200.00

All this is not even taking in to account food and flights.

Its a rich mans game even doing it on the cheap.

So all in all you have raced a total of 12 times over 5 rounds. How many times can you race per day in the vic series?

I guess one thing with the 600's is you can sell your tires on to road riders to get some money back.

[Drew]

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.


Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.

[Bren_chch]

Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.

Yes Drew... I know that, i highlight that fact for a reason. of which i am not sure yet! :apint:

[Deano]

Are you trying to tell me, that the first tyres Andrew Stroud put on his K8, were used? Or for that matter, that he left the standard tyres on it from the shop? I doubt it lots.

You need to HTFU bro.....

He might have ridden it home on the stock tyres though. :rolleyes:

Actually, I doubt it lots too.

[Deano]

ok assuming i didn't have a bike... which i don't.

I would race super bike nationals on a: 05/06 Gsxr1000 or a r1, std engine, Slipon pipe and 2 sets of fairings, 1 set of rims. i'd want ohlins front and rear, and I could do a nationals on 4k worth of tires. I wouldnt be fussed where i finished.

Bike: MIGHT get one for - 11k? (cheapest)
Ohlins front and rear - 4500k???
Slipon Muffler 900 - 1100k for top of line??
2 sets of fairings - 900 (used)
Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round $600?

So without any crash damage we are looking at $24,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.

OK at the end of it i have a great bike for club racing and have learnt a huge amount from racing the national series and being with the top riders in NZ and i'm all set machine wise for maybe another national series.

Assuming i do another national series the costs would be:

Dunlops Slicks 4200k worth, 6 sets (special fictitious price)
entry fee's, travel and accommodation for all rounds at a guess 2400k???
Bike Fuel for all round 600?

Total: $7,200.00

All this is not even taking in to account food and flights.

Its a rich mans game even doing it on the cheap.

So all in all you have raced a total of 12 times over 5 rounds. How many times can you race per day in the vic series?

I guess one thing with the 600's is you can sell your tires on to road riders to get some money back.

The SV option is looking cheap

[Drew]

Yes Drew... I know that, i highlight that fact for a reason. of which i am not sure yet! :apint:Gotta love the "edit" function. I was gonna ask what the point was.


You need to HTFU bro.....

That I do bro. I'll have new tyres next round, so my tough credit will be lower still aye.

[Chrislost]

Apart from the "cost" issue would you actually want to race the Superbike class on a 1000cc bike?

Theres lots of bla bla bla about the reason being cost etc etc but if it cost the same to race the superbike class as say F3 would you?

Or are you just happy with racing F2 F3 etc etc?

If someone gave me a superbike, I would be at every event .

[johan]

If I already had a std bike that i was thinking about racing then we are looking at $13,700.00 total cost for 5 rounds which only have 2 super bike races at each round.



That's translates to about ~$260/week for a whole year.

Which is a fair amount of money for a hobby, or a competition not rendering any income/price money what so ever.

[Deano]

That's translates to about ~$260/week for a whole year.

Which is a fair amount of money for a hobby, or a competition not rendering any income/price money what so ever.

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not:niceone:

[Tony.OK]

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not:niceone:

Lower your standards mate...............................maybe them Welly ones are high class.........................but ya get what ya pay for even in regard to that huh?:clap:

Oh too many pills tonite:doctor:

[johan]

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not:niceone:

Good point. Eventhough a whore can generate you some income, the maintenance would be like an italian twin.

[CHOPPA]

I agree if your a good rider and want to do the very best you can possibly do without having anything holding you back then yes you will have to spend a small fortune.

When guys go racing F3 on an old 400cc or something they have the same choices if you wanted to do the very best you could possibly do without the bike holding you back in anyway that would cost prob more because its easier to out ride the bike. I bet everyone riding in that class would feel that there bike is underpowered compared to someone elses and some other guys bike corners quicker but they still race. Why dont many people adopt the same attitude in superbike?

[ajturbo]

Why dont many people adopt the same attitude in superbike?


is it because.... some know their limits?
is it because..... some don't want to know their limits???

is it because.... the feeling of the front/rear moving is too much for them?

is it because.... some fear the "perceived" pain if they go beyond their limits...?


i think the LACK of education ( on HOW to RACE) is a big thing here in NZ

[Wingnut]

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

Brads came in ahead of Choppa at Teretonga in race one in the last nats....If he was motivated and wanted to spend the $$$, he could be consistantly running at the top (I'm sure Choppa would agree with this). He is qualified in his comments I believe.

[brads]

You are setting your bike up, to run in Superstock, on the tyres you have to run there.

I am trying to set a bike up, to run in Superbike here. How can it be properly set up, for road tyres, or second hand ones for that matter? You put a brand spanking tyre on at Manfield nats, and it was a dud. If I put on a second hand tyre, I might end up chasing grip the tyre never had from new.

ps. Your 180 horse weapon, was a deal done by Suzuki New Zealand, for team LG. Not available to Joe Bloggs. What I got my bike for, is cheaper than I have seen anything that'd compete with it for.

Read above.

Also though, how do you think you'd get on against Craig Sherriffs, Hayden Fitzgerald, and Choppa in a race. Those guys are the bench for this winter series, and I know Craig and Hayden were both using new tyres at round two.

I do run a thou, I get along not bad, and I'm a REAL competitive mother fucker. There's no point trying to say to someone like me, "you dont need new tyres".

You may be a REAL competitive mother fucker,but are you the same on track?ie,do you battle with craig,hayden and choppa or just line up against them,I guess this answers one of the questions as to why the nats fields are low,if you throw new tyres on alot during the winter its no wonder people cant afford to compete in the nats,but thats another thread..................................

[CHOPPA]

is it because.... some know their limits?
is it because..... some don't want to know their limits???

is it because.... the feeling of the front/rear moving is too much for them?

is it because.... some fear the "perceived" pain if they go beyond their limits...?


i think the LACK of education ( on HOW to RACE) is a big thing here in NZ

Spot on, but its not a cost thing :msn-wink:

[speedracerjimmy]

You may be a REAL competitive mother fucker,but are you the same on track?ie,do you battle with craig,hayden and choppa or just line up against them,I guess this answers one of the questions as to why the nats fields are low,if you throw new tyres on alot during the winter its no wonder people cant afford to compete in the nats,but thats another thread..................................

i agree with brad there is no point wasting good money throwing new tyres at your bike in winter.you can go just as fast on old ones.you really wana save those new tyres for the summer when you can really push hard and set your good times and find a good set up thats gna work for the nats.

[Tony.OK]

i agree with brad there is no point wasting good money throwing new tyres at your bike in winter.you can go just as fast on old ones.you really wana save those new tyres for the summer when you can really push hard and set your good times and find a good set up thats gna work for the nats.

Trick is to have a good source for these used tyres though really.............................if ya can get some from someone you trust or ya know the tyres history then all good.
There's a fair few people buyin old take offs that are/should've been binned.

Check the manufacture dates folks...................more than a year old? Don't bother, esp on a litre bike.

That being said they are getting harder to find.................especially if you have to run a particular brand, no point testing on something new and potentially pissing off yer sponsored supplier either.

Also buying new can be just as cheap overall, use em once or twice then flick em off to someone thats happy to use used, both parties run at a lower cost then:niceone:

[CHOPPA]

Trick is to have a good source for these used tyres though really.............................if ya can get some from someone you trust or ya know the tyres history then all good.
There's a fair few people buyin old take offs that are/should've been binned.

Check the manufacture dates folks...................more than a year old? Don't bother, esp on a litre bike.

That being said they are getting harder to find.................especially if you have to run a particular brand, no point testing on something new and potentially pissing off yer sponsored supplier either.

Also buying new can be just as cheap overall, use em once or twice then flick em off to someone thats happy to use used, both parties run at a lower cost then:niceone:

Use your summer tyres in the winter

[mossy1200]

Use your summer tyres in the winter

Tyres cant be that much difference as im already using 4 sets new rubber for the winter series on my fat arse posty.Must grind more bike away at some point.

[Tony.OK]

Use your summer tyres in the winter

Hahaa yeah.........................that'd work if unlike me you'd not sold everything ya could to get a new bike, that now ya can't afford to use lol.

But i am enjoying sitting on it pretending to be fast....................and my tyres aren't wearing at all:bleh:

[Robert Taylor]

Yes, undoubtedly Superbikes are an expensive class and it doesnt matter how much you massage the rules they always will be expensive.
Lets look at it from another angle. There may be a handful more bikes on the grid if you allowed ''SP'' type bikes into the class. Eg top spec Ducatis etc. That would enrichen the class and also removes the effective alienation of people with such bikes that may want to race. Right now they can only do Bears and thats pretty well subscribed.

[k14]

Everyone at the Nats, only get two races per round. There's no cross entering.
Nope... 125GP, F3 and Sidecars get 3 races.

[Kickaha]

Nope... 125GP, F3 and Sidecars get 3 races.

Although in three races we still do less laps than they do in two

[johan]

Yes, undoubtedly Superbikes are an expensive class and it doesnt matter how much you massage the rules they always will be expensive.
Lets look at it from another angle. There may be a handful more bikes on the grid if you allowed ''SP'' type bikes into the class. Eg top spec Ducatis etc. That would enrichen the class and also removes the effective alienation of people with such bikes that may want to race. Right now they can only do Bears and thats pretty well subscribed.

I've heard rumours about a tricked out 1198r up north in race trim. Unfortunately it can't be raced in nationals because the swing arm and triple clamp are changed to corse parts.

Even the basic 1198s with its carbon fibre mud guard can't compete in nationals, if I've read the rules correctly (section 8-10).
It also comes with a data logger, which might be banned according to section 12?
You would have to down grade the bike...

[Robert Taylor]

I've heard rumours about a tricked out 1198r up north in race trim. Unfortunately it can't be raced in nationals because the swing arm and triple clamp are changed to corse parts.

Even the basic 1198s with its carbon fibre mud guard can't compete in nationals, if I've read the rules correctly (section 8-10).
It also comes with a data logger, which might be banned according to section 12?
You would have to down grade the bike...

Yes, its in our workshop.

[Drew]

You may be a REAL competitive mother fucker,but are you the same on track?ie,do you battle with craig,hayden and choppa or just line up against them,I guess this answers one of the questions as to why the nats fields are low,if you throw new tyres on alot during the winter its no wonder people cant afford to compete in the nats,but thats another thread..................................This is my first year with the thou, but I'll say I'm quicker than a mid pack guy, (if the results from the last round are anything to go by).


Use your summer tyres in the winter

Can I use yours? I started in winter.

[johan]

...

You dont have to have new tyres, the tyres im running in oz are as hard as fuck, i did a full practice day on stock suspension running good lap times and at the end of the day they were fine. I actually used them the next day for practice and qualifying and i sold them for $300au cause they still were mint for a road tyre.


Hi choppa, what hard street tyres did run if I may ask?

[aff-man]

Spot on, but its not a cost thing :msn-wink:

I have a bike... and although it's missing an ohlins here or there it is basically race ready. i.e. I have full race fairings and tank etc etc and it has a few go fast bits in it.

Plan was to do the winter series......

I did the first round and won't be doing any more...

Why you ask.....

it is not lack of ambition or will, if I could I would. it is because it costs me over a grand to do a round and i still owe money for the last one. let alone trying to scrape together for the next one.

So yes... it IS a cost thing.

[GIXser]

Ok, here it is.....

You solo boys are all poofters.......... :spanking::nono:

Why complain about tyre wear, suspension, costs involved and the like, when you all know the answer is right in front of you.

Go racing sidecars!!! :clap::headbang:
I used a near canvas rear tyre to set the lap record at Timaru last year, against ultra competitve machinery too.
I use 1 front tyre every 18 months, 2 rears a year, brake pads... what the feck are they?? 1 chain a year. Brake fluid and oil changes??? WTF?? Don't do enough miles to warrant it.....
..........and........ we have more Hp than your superbikes too!!! We're allowed 1300cc!!! Why settle for anything less???

It just leaves ya extra money for travel and accommodation, beer and debauchery................ :devil2:



All you do it it for is so you guys can have a shower together afterwards....:msn-wink:

[GIXser]

Cheaper than a whore though....or maybe not:niceone:

or a wife.......

[Hawkeye]

I wonder if I could blow up a superbike?...

Hell's You have the unique ability to blow up anything (on two wheels).:bleh:

[Biggles08]

I have a bike... and although it's missing an ohlins here or there it is basically race ready. i.e. I have full race fairings and tank etc etc and it has a few go fast bits in it.

Plan was to do the winter series......

I did the first round and won't be doing any more...

Why you ask.....

it is not lack of ambition or will, if I could I would. it is because it costs me over a grand to do a round and i still owe money for the last one. let alone trying to scrape together for the next one.

So yes... it IS a cost thing.

I'm not sure but I think Choppa's point is not whether it is merely a 'Cost' thing... rather the people who use it as an excuse not to race superbikes...I tend to agree with him...I don't think it would be much more per round to race a superbike over my bike (F2)....however, they are BOTH expensive!!!:blank:

[aff-man]

I'm not sure but I think Choppa's point is not whether it is merely a 'Cost' thing... rather the people who use it as an excuse not to race superbikes...I tend to agree with him...I don't think it would be much more per round to race a superbike over my bike (F2)....however, they are BOTH expensive!!!:blank:

yeh an F2 vs an F1 I don't think there is a lot of difference except maybe chewing through rears a bit faster...
But between the likes or f3 and f1 I do think the cost difference is quite big. It also depends how competative and safe you wanna be. Using used slicks etc is a cheaper way of going but when you get to the bigger bikes having 180HP going through a tyre that has done unknown amount of heat cycles, or breaking hard down from 280+, it does put racing on fecked tyres in perspective. I used old tyres on the old 00 r6 and it still slid around a bit and although would never be competative like that was heaps of fun.. Don't think i'd be able to do the same on my current bike let alone a superbike.

[mossy1200]

My wife complains less than some of you guys and my posty has soaked $4k this year for 2 rounds and my tyres are sponcered.If it keeps costing I could be racing f1 for the same price.LOL
Cant take cash to the grave.
I notice the bike mags are doing bigger articles about the winter series.
I wonder if LG is already creating interest in the sport.
Crouds at round 2 were bigger than I have seen before.

[driftn]

My oath I would race a superbike, try and stop me if money was not an object.

Oh is this an invitation to have a go on your bike chop? Ill be carefull. Promiss.

[slowpoke]

I don't see the point in fronting up with a set of tyres capable of a lap record when you're a few seconds off the pace.

I'n running a Superbike and I reckon my total tyre bill for the Winter Series will be less than $1000. Sure, I'll miss a couple of rounds with mongrel work commitments but that's still good value I reckon. Barring other racer's huge misfortune I won't be on the podium but I won't be last either. Pre-loved rubber rocks!

You may actually be faster on a 600 or love the agility and sweeping corner speed of a 125GP bike but the double edged sword that is sheer horsepower is an experience not be missed. Everyone should experience it once in their racing lives......and it doesn't have to cost a fortune.

[CHOPPA]

I don't see the point in fronting up with a set of tyres capable of a lap record when you're a few seconds off the pace.

I'n running a Superbike and I reckon my total tyre bill for the Winter Series will be less than $1000. Sure, I'll miss a couple of rounds with mongrel work commitments but that's still good value I reckon. Barring other racer's huge misfortune I won't be on the podium but I won't be last either. Pre-loved rubber rocks!

You may actually be faster on a 600 or love the agility and sweeping corner speed of a 125GP bike but the double edged sword that is sheer horsepower is an experience not be missed. Everyone should experience it once in their racing lives......and it doesn't have to cost a fortune.

Even less if your were running s/h dunlops....