150 STREETSTOCK at WANGANUI

[speights_bud]

Hi guys,

Ben from MOTORAD has asked me to post up here to see who's interested in a 150 streetstock class at Wanganui in Dec.

We need 20-25 'pre-confirmed entries' ie names on paper before mnz/Tri series organisers will decide whether to run the class or not.

please email Ben the following detai ls to:

Parts@Motorad.co.nz

Name,
Contact Number,
Age,
NZ driver Licenses held (I am told you Need either Full Car or Full Motorcycle)


This is a great chance to see some 'street stock' bikes racing on the streets!

Unfortunatly the Driver License's that need to be held will count out some of our younger riders, soo if you know someone with a suitable bike get them interested or even beg/borrow their bike for yourself!

Cheers

Paddy

ENTRY FORMS:

Entry forms are up on the web site www.cemeterycircuit.co.nz

[ajturbo]

i wonder if the VIC club would let me use their bike for this???

will ask at the next meeting....

i'll be good advertising, as i will be going so slow... heaps of time for the crowd to see any sponsors name...

[DELLORTO]

does this include 250cc inline 4's??

[Str8 Jacket]

Hmm, me and Malcolm talked about this after the last round after you'd told me about it. TBH I dont believe I am riding anywhere near well enough to race Wanga's this year. Next year definately! Malcolm is definately keen and I think we may be able to convince him to take the 150 instead of the 400 this year. Anyway, we will already have 2 150's and a bucket for TRRS, so they'll be no room for the VFR too... ;)

If it came down to the fact that they needed more people to make it happen then I would definately just go out there and give it my best so it could happen.

There are going to be a few people that probably will be against a streetstock150 class @ Wanga's so it's going to be interesting to see how they've 'made way' for this to happen.... hmmm :wait:

[Billy]

Hi guys,

Ben from MOTORAD has asked me to post up here to see who's interested in a 150 streetstock class at Wanganui in Dec.

We need 20-25 'pre-confirmed entries' ie names on paper before mnz/Tri series organisers will decide whether to run the class or not.

please email Ben the following detai ls to:

Parts@Motorad.co.nz

Name,
Contact Number,
Age,
NZ driver Licenses held (I am told you Need either Full Car or Full Motorcycle)


This is a great chance to see some 'street stock' bikes racing on the streets!

Unfortunatly the Driver License's that need to be held will count out some of our younger riders, soo if you know someone with a suitable bike get them interested or even beg/borrow their bike for yourself!

Cheers

Paddy

If the road closure is done properly (local council act 1972) which is all thats required for Wangas as no roads are under the jurisdiction of Transit NZ.Then you dont need a civil licence.However I doubt MNZ will allow it as it would be too dangerous for the younger riders

[Duke girl]

Why is Racing on a Street Circuit more dangerous than Racing on a race track?

[Str8 Jacket]

Why is Racing on a Street Circuit more dangerous than Racing on a race track?

Less run off, kerbs, road markings, potholes at a start I guess these could be valid reasons?.. I guess you could also assume that they are only really wanting "older" riders with more experience on the road. But I get what you're saying! ;)

[sunhuntin]

not a racer, but keen to see anything new on the track. explain for me what exactly streetstock is?

[racer40]

hi speights bud, just a reminder we are still running the s/stocks at the TRRS, & so far over 30 bikes entered in the combined buckets/ s/stocks. & if i remember rightly you only just got in as a reserve last year.. only a reminder mate.

[Pumba]

Well if you dont have the S/S numbers maybe we could throw a few buckets in there to make them up:whistle:

[Str8 Jacket]

Well if you dont have the S/S numbers maybe we could throw a few buckets in there to make them up:whistle:

Great idea! They could open the gates and let spectators through every 2nd lap then...

[Pumba]

Great idea! They could open the gates and let spectators through every 2nd lap then...

:oi-grr:Ohhh, come on thats just mean:bleh:

[Str8 Jacket]

:oi-grr:Ohhh, come on thats just mean:bleh:

Yeah, but I am a bitch and I reckon that seeing as I race both buckets and streetstock I am allowed to mock! :chase:

[WarrenW]

not a racer, but keen to see anything new on the track. explain for me what exactly streetstock is?

Streetstock is an entry level class aimed at 150cc twostrokes that were produced about 5 years ago. Cheap racing with very minimal mods and add-ons eg no tyre warmers - road tyres only etc. The Vic Club experimented with 250cc four strokes in the class and these have been successful.

Fun close CHEAP racing = street stock.

[steveyb]

Streetstock is an entry level class aimed at 150cc twostrokes that were produced about 5 years ago. Cheap racing with very minimal mods and add-ons eg no tyre warmers - road tyres only etc. The Vic Club experimented with 250cc four strokes in the class and these have been successful.

Fun close CHEAP racing = street stock.

Nearly Warren, but no cigar.
Streetstock 150 was indeed introduced as an entry level class with the aim of using the 150cc 2-stroke commuter bikes that Suzuki and Kawasaki imported for one, maybe two years. The last year that Suzuki made these bikes was I believe 1998, so they are all getting quite long in the tooth now.
They first made an appearance at the Suzuki Central Series back in 1998 or 1999.
Newer bikes are now being targetted for the Streetstock class with the omission of the 150 in the name. These bikes at MNZ level are 250cc 2 cylinder 4 strokes (Hyosung GTR, Kawasaki GPX etc) as they can be bought new and are actually not bad bikes. VMCC introduced the use of 250cc 4 cylinder 4 stroke race replicas, but that has really only caught on at VMCC and maybe Canterbury(??). These bikes are also getting pretty old now, so the future lies in the 250cc 2 cylinder bikes it seems.
In Australia they are using, quite widely, the Honda CBR150, but Honda NZ only imports the CBR125 here.

I rode a Kawasaki KR150 at Wanganui back in like 2002 or something (cheers to the big fella Mr Sully), and save for a warped brake disc, it was more fun than rolling with a gaggle of hookers in a jelly bowl! Yee haar!!

But the youth issues such as inexperience should be considered carefully, and the liability issues are also more pronounced.

My own opinion is that Streetstock riders aged 15 to 18 only, with at least 10 meetings on closed circuits should be allowed to enter Streetstock at Wanganui, so that (and now I wait for the howls of protest from the old farts) maybe this one event (and maybe Paeroa also??) could be used to showcase youth-only racing.

Furthermore, I would be keen to see all of the Streetstock entries pitted in the same place together so the public can come and see them and chat and maybe gain some converts.

If it comes to pass that they decide to allow Streetstock entries, I will organise this part of it and corral the kids if anyone is keen.

Enjoy.

[Str8 Jacket]

My other opinion about it is (and now I wait for the howls of protest from the old farts) that maybe this one event (and maybe Paeroa also??) could be used to showcase youth-only racing, with a maximum age of 18 years.

WOW! Do you know how many street stock racers are over 18 ATM!! Friggen burglars.... :dodge:

[Racey Rider]

I'm keen, - but yet to confirm availability.

Though I do like the idea about young riders only (in this instance), if the numbers can be found.

If that was the case - I would put my KR150 up for a young rider to use should there be a need. (South Is guys maybe?)

But if us old guys are allowed in - how bout we mix it up a little bit.

Reverse Grid Anyone?! :whistle:

Racey

[ajturbo]

i'm just about 18......

[Str8 Jacket]

i'm just about 18......

Luke's not even 18...

[sunhuntin]

cool, sounds interesting. could be a good way to bring more numbers in. thanks for explanation guys. :2thumbsup

[Racey Rider]

i'm just about 18......


Luke's not even 18...

Don't worry Love ... He's only talking about his I.Q.

[Billy]

Less run off, kerbs, road markings, potholes at a start I guess these could be valid reasons?.. I guess you could also assume that they are only really wanting "older" riders with more experience on the road. But I get what you're saying! ;)

Yip,Add to that lamp posts,Traffic islands,Waratahs and a completely different scenario too closed circuit racing where the crowd and numerous other distractions are right there in your face.After all the reason Wangas was stopped as a national points round was cause the riders considered it too dangerous

[MOTOXXX]

i've raced at wanganui on my rg150 a couple years ago, as did Niel_cb125t. We raced in F3 and it was a bit dodgy with the big boys passing us. It was GREAT fun but i dont think they should be at wanganui even in there own class.

Its a beginers class and its a bit of a liability when you have close spectators at every bend. The class is ment to get people into racing and move them up to bigger things.

The meeting has enough trouble fitting in ALL the classes in and keeping all the racing to a tight deadline without having a slow lapping beginers class.

[Sparky Bills]

i've raced at wanganui on my rg150 a couple years ago, as did Niel_cb125t. We raced in F3 and it was a bit dodgy with the big boys passing us. It was GREAT fun but i dont think they should be at wanganui even in there own class.

Its a beginers class and its a bit of a liability when you have close spectators at every bend. The class is ment to get people into racing and move them up to bigger things.

The meeting has enough trouble fitting in ALL the classes in and keeping all the racing to a tight deadline without having a slow lapping beginers class.


Hmmmm some good points there...
Im a bit torn between the 2.
I think it would be great to have some youngsters racing at Wangas.
And think they would have a ball racing infront of an actual crowd cheering them on.
However... As Eamon said, they have enough trouble keeping the meeting running on time without having another class added.
Didnt they used to have a buckets class too?

[quallman1234]

Now i read somewhere in the rules that, you dont need a full.
Learners licences not allowed. But restricted are fine. as long as it obeys the law for under 250cc what will be fine for streetstock. Its in the rules somewhere ill find it later, but im on a tiny laptop atm.

Im kinda keen, and might as well just too get the entries up.

[ajturbo]

i will NOT let luke race there....yet!

i would "LIKE" to race there.... but i cannot see this happening....

[Whitebait]

Wouldnt we be better off to give every other class an extra lap rather than give the scooters a class?????

I watch them a Taupo...........a bit like watching paint dry!!! :spanking:

[Str8 Jacket]

I watch them a Taupo...........a bit like watching paint dry!!! :spanking:

:shake: <whatever> <whatever>

[quallman1234]

Wouldnt we be better off to give every other class an extra lap rather than give the scooters a class?????

I watch them a Taupo...........a bit like watching paint dry!!! :spanking:

They were only like 2 seconds off the back off F3 when Neil did it.

[JayRacer37]

Yes, but the back of F3 is a bit like watching...oh, you get it :bleh:

[Skunk]

Wouldnt we be better off to give every other class an extra lap rather than give the scooters a class?????

I watch them a Taupo...........a bit like watching paint dry!!! :spanking:


Yes, but the back of F3 is a bit like watching...oh, you get it :bleh:

Oh yeah, I forgot - all you 'heros' never had to learn to race. You were World Class just after being born.

[Kickaha]

I can remember watching Dennis Charlett race one at Ruapuna as a support race for the DrinkDrive500, I think that was after he'd won his first NZ championship

What class will be dropped to fit them in at Wanganui?

[Whitebait]

Don't get me wrong Streetstock is a good entry level class!

I'm hoping to get a couple of people into it next year.

Boxing day is a spectators event..........and I'm pretty sure if motards don't get a dirt section streetstock won't get a class.........just my opinion.

Why don't you guys jump in F3 if they're that quick?????

[Skunk]

Ignore me - shite day a work.

Personally I wish people would watch the Streetstock and Bucket classes as that is where are young talent is. Find them there and help them along.
Instead people seem to turn their backs and the talent is missed for years while everyone wrings their hands wondering when our next Aaron Slight/Simon Crafer etc will turn up. The answer is that without help early he/she will be too old.

[JayRacer37]

Oh yeah, I forgot - all you 'heros' never had to learn to race. You were World Class just after being born.

Hey man - I spent two years getting carved up by Fishie, Baden and others at buckets, it took me quite a while to figure this racing thing out :)

[sinfull]

Hey man - I spent two years getting carved up by Fishie, Baden and others at buckets, it took me quite a while to figure this racing thing out :)

!...........
Hardest part's coming down !

[JayRacer37]

!...........
Hardest part's coming down !

Hmm...yes, I did plenty of crashing too... ;)

[sinfull]

Hmm...yes, I did plenty of crashing too... ;)Enough of that ! So what ya ridin now ?

[sinfull]

Ignore me - shite day a work.

Personally I wish people would watch the Streetstock and Bucket classes as that is where are young talent is. Find them there and help them along.
Instead people seem to turn their backs and the talent is missed for years while everyone wrings their hands wondering when our next Aaron Slight/Simon Crafer etc will turn up. The answer is that without help early he/she will be too old.Gimme an age limit here ! i see a slight chance !

[JayRacer37]

Enough of that ! So what ya ridin now ?

I went out to Ruapuna today on my ZX-7R, but it was a touch out of its depth...I'm not sure how long I will live without a modernish thousand :)

[sinfull]

I went out to Ruapuna today on my ZX-7R, but it was a touch out of its depth...I'm not sure how long I will live without a modernish thousand :)
Right answer ! Still fun though aye ! Depth or ? took me maybe 6 emails to trade my usedby to a fit for a usedby ! How much ya want it ?

[wharfy]

Why is Racing on a Street Circuit more dangerous than Racing on a race track?

I am not convinced it is, IT looks more dangerous for sure but I have yet to see any stats that prove it. Wanganui and Greymouth (the only street circuits I have raced) are both VERY much slower than any of the tracks I have raced (Taupo, Manfield, Ruapuna).

Street races are great fun too.

Wanganui has been running for 50 years I would like to see a comparison between Wanaganui and Pukekohe for Fatalities, Injuries over the last 50 years.

[Billy]

I am not convinced it is, IT looks more dangerous for sure but I have yet to see any stats that prove it. Wanganui and Greymouth (the only street circuits I have raced) are both VERY much slower than any of the tracks I have raced (Taupo, Manfield, Ruapuna).

Street races are great fun too.

Wanganui has been running for 50 years I would like to see a comparison between Wanaganui and Pukekohe for Fatalities, Injuries over the last 50 years.

Yeah,That probably wouldnt be ant sort of indication as Wangas is only used once a year (apart from a couple of years during the 80s where they ran a mid winter meet) so youd be comparing approx 60 meetings at Wangas against probably 1000s at Puke over that 50 years and that maybe part of the reason they dont run streetstock 150 at Puke

If street racing wasnt more dangerous than closed circuit,Then why did the top riders in the country lobby MNZ to have Wangas dropped from the National championship ???

[Duke girl]

Whats wrong with giving the Streetstock class a go and then the organisers can at least see for themselves how it turns out and if its worth continuing it on as a class for Street Racing.
We can all voice our opinions about it but unless the organisers can see for themselves the outcome or running a Streetstock Race we will be left wondering. You have to start somewhere in Road Racing and not everyone can afford buying a bigger cc bike as their 1st bike to race.
Streetstock Racing is 1 class that is suppose to be a cheap and fun way of getting into Road Racing for the 1st time and you can only work your way up as experience and money allows you too.
My 2c worth.

[speights_bud]

hi speights bud, just a reminder we are still running the s/stocks at the TRRS, & so far over 30 bikes entered in the combined buckets/ s/stocks. & if i remember rightly you only just got in as a reserve last year.. only a reminder mate.


Thanks dude, i don't know if i'll have a bike this year though, another rider is currently making the use of it and he may wish to race it at TRRS or wanga's if it ever actually happens or if he can enter in time, i've taken a bit of time off racing to get my trade Cert sorted and get some $$ saved to get into a bigger class:niceone:

[speights_bud]

Wouldnt we be better off to give every other class an extra lap rather than give the scooters a class?????

I watch them a Taupo...........a bit like watching paint dry!!! :spanking:

interesting you say that and i can understand exactly what you mean from a spectator point of view, however i must add that the TRRS organisers made comments about how intense the streetstock racing was. there was definatly some good battling going on

[neil_cb125t]

Hey peps,

I raced my RG150 at wangas about 4 years ago in F3. was a blast!! throw a small front sprocket on and you'll double the size of your left calve muscle!!

They have a bunch of chook chasers that turn up, sound like desiel tractors - go round and round - most boring racing ive ever seen.:spanking::spanking::spanking:


interesting you say that and i can understand exactly what you mean from a spectator point of view, however i must add that the TRRS organisers made comments about how intense the streetstock racing was. there was definatly some good battling going on

[SWERVE]

My 2 cents worth........
Yey bring on streetstock to the streets...... make it open age (under 18 must have 10+ log book entries):Punk:
Cos those youngsters are gonna show ya old buggers a clean pair of heels.:2guns:
It would bring the awesome young talent into the public eye.
Agree pit them all together and make a show of it.
The racing would be fast enough to make it exciting......... how many 150,s do ya think can fit around a corner at the same time):shit:
As for experience making you safer...... a lot of these youngster spend almost every weekend racing for a number of months a year (some have filled more than one log book in a year) And its only the in-experienced that crash...YEH.:shutup:
And as for those of you who think its similar to paint drying.......... it may look sedate from afar at a race circuit, but having mixed it with the young guns as a coach i can tell you watchin them a close quarters on the steets will "open ya eyes' to their level of skill and ability.:blink:
YES im biased........ my boy races and would love to hit the streets..... we are already bringing the 675 & SV650 and have room for the 150 too.
But most of all the young talent needs to be showcased and believe me there is some serious talent waiting to shine.:sunny:
Sorry for ranting but how many of ya 30/40 something guys who moan about not getting as many laps or dropping a class are going to be racing at international level or beyond in a few years.......................... Well some of these guys will and some will if they get more exposure and recognition so hey put some of that effort into supporting the next "slighty"
:soon:

[7mmWSM]

Yes I'll be keen - alway wanted to have a crack at a place like wanganui!

As a spectator sport - to have 25 or so 150 racing together will make for some very tight and interesting racing.

Lets hope it all goes ahead

[ajturbo]

at least they will be the quietest ones on the track:done:

[ajturbo]

Thanks dude, i don't know if i'll have a bike this year though, another rider is currently making the use of it and he may wish to race it at TRRS or wanga's if it ever actually happens or if he can enter in time, i've taken a bit of time off racing to get my trade Cert sorted and get some $$ saved to get into a bigger class:niceone:


you mean you have a girlfriend?:laugh::laugh:

[Str8 Jacket]

you mean you have a girlfriend?:laugh::laugh:

You're just jealous that he's faster than you and has a girlfriend! :p

[ajturbo]

You're just jealous that he's faster than you and has a girlfriend! :p
:girlfight: :love: :girlfight:

SHUT UP.......:laugh:

[speights_bud]

You guys made me LOL :laugh:

[quallman1234]

Well i "entered", for the extra entry.

Maybe we should get some old buggers on some 150's and see how they compare?

[speights_bud]

Well i "entered", for the extra entry.

Maybe we should get some old buggers on some 150's and see how they compare?

Thats exactly the idea! get beggin the young fulla's to borrow their bikes and come have a play!

[Duke girl]

If you want to see how healthy the Streetstock feilds are down Sth then have a look on page 87 of Kiwirider. The photo saids it all and I would love to see fields like that at Wanganui. Maybe someone should get in contact with the South Island Motorcycle Clubs to see if any of their Streetstock riders would be interested in competitng at Wanganui. It sure would build the class up Big Time.

[SWERVE]

As you say Duke girl fields are huge down here....but most of those rides are junior 14-17 so unless a way to let them compete at wanganui without a full civil licence can be found it will rule most of them out.
I have entered our team 150 on the list al;ready......if a solutiion can be found then my lad Ants will ride... if not then i will ride it.
i am sure junior riders have been accomodated at Greymoth ( providing they have plenty of experience) i can never remember being asked to prove that i had a civil licence to race there.
Lets hope it all goes ahead

[Kickaha]

i can never remember being asked to prove that i had a civil licence to race there.

You don't need one at Greymouth, it all depends on how the road closure is done

[ttelp15]

whitebait they will probably lap laster than what you did last year!! how else do you attract young people to get into road racing. This class will benefit road racing and hopefully see more people joining the sport.

[steveyb]

License rule seems to indicate that a civil license is only required when the road froms part of a main highway.
So at Paeroa it seems that one is necessary, but at Wanganui not.
BUT, it is then up to the organisers to decide what level of proven (as much as a license actually does prove anything) competence they want a rider to show.
Remember that there is currently NO MNZ proof of competence.
Having 10 or however many entries in your logbook is no proof of competence to do anything except fill in a logbook and navigate your way to the circuit.
The organisers at Wanganui have made a decision and will no doubt publicise that soon enough. I think it will please most people.
I am half pleased with what I wanted to see, but I think that it should be a great show all round as long as everyone treats it in the correct manner.

Please see my earlier post about gathering the SS150 together in one place. This would do just as much good from a marketing perspective as having them racing at all.

Moto Academy NZ will be there with our bikes and riders (those who do not have family Xmas engagements) and I will be happy to manage (with help) an area for the SS150 riders.

Enjoy.

[SWERVE]

I agree steveb just having them there, displayed in a professional manner would go a long way to raising the profile. I think putting them all together in an area would be the answer.
My lad is coming even if he cant race the 150 himself. so he would be on hand to assist.

Lets hope the decision reached is the correct one and only aids the junior race scene cause.............. not hinder it.

[quallman1234]

I hear this is likely to be going ahead. :banana:

[rachprice]

I would but dont have enough races under my belt...unfortunate

[oyster]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

[Maarty]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't 150's compete at Whyndam as pert of the burt Munro?

[oyster]

There was no Streetstock (150) class at Burt Munro.
For the last two years there have been a small number of 150's at both Burt Munro and at Greymouth racing off the back of Formula 3 This has been in compliance with MNZ F3 rules, plus the riders had been confirmed as very capable, both by skill and maturity to ride in this class safely. They have also been managed and coached as a team to further ensure safety.
Naturally,having SS bikes in F3 raises some concerns, but the stewards have been happy. and certainly were consulted in these cases. They always have the right to deny entry at any time, as they can with any rider.
The only real concern has been that the 150's have mixed it with the slower half of F3 where, particulary at street meetings, some really incompetent riding by the F3 riders has occurred around the SS riders.

This same process, correctly led and managed, could occur at Wanganui in the F3 class.

[Str8 Jacket]

I hear this is likely to be going ahead. :banana:

Yep, awesome news!! :wari:

Anyone know how many 'comfirmed' entries there are for SS150's yet?

[Billy]

Streetstock is a class for the introduction and development of new, and in particular, young riders
Streets circuits are by nature not as safe as formed circuits and require an advanced level of judgement and "race maturity" to be ridden safely.

Putting these two together would an irresponsible act by the organisers, and negligent by MNZ if they approved it.

Besides, looking at the age spread in Streetstock in the south, over half of them would be ineligible. Is that fair to disqualify them?

If people in the mid north island want to showcase Streetstock for what it is (should be) then put it on as the support class at the Manfeild nationals (last year I saw only 3 bikes out in the support class in one race, I'm sure SS would improve on that...)
Get busy and recruit, train and support 30 or 40 boys and girls from 13 to 17 years old and it'll be a success.
Or, a bit easier and more practical, support your local youngsters and get them down to the South Island for the Ruapuna GP National round. A full feild of youngsters (under 18) at lap record pace at the front, close racing and TV coverage, good crowd sizes. Would Wanganui be better than that? Not likely....

Yes well said Pete.I have taken my concerns re this too Jim Tuckerman and hopefully He will put an end to it today.The Idea of showcasing 25+ young riders is a brilliant idea,But the first problem is there arent 25 streetstock riders in the North Island and anybody who claims they are getting 25 150s at their meetings up here is bullshitting (as has been claimed by a club member to Jim)and if it were too be showcased the Manfeild or Taupo rounds would be the sensible place for that to happen.In fact why not talk too Scrivvy and Chris about maybe doing a 1 hr race for them in conjunction with the NZBADD endurance race ???

[ajturbo]

Yes well said Pete.I have taken my concerns re this too Jim Tuckerman and hopefully He will put an end to it today.The Idea of showcasing 25+ young riders is a brilliant idea,But the first problem is there arent 25 streetstock riders in the North Island and anybody who claims they are getting 25 150s at their meetings up here is bullshitting (as has been claimed by a club member to Jim)and if it were too be showcased the Manfeild or Taupo rounds would be the sensible place for that to happen.In fact why not talk too Scrivvy and Chris about maybe doing a 1 hr race for them in conjunction with the NZBADD endurance race ???
hey billy and pete...

i agree with you guys.... apart from ONE thing...just a little thing..

one of our vic club sponsored riders is eligible for this race,

would he not be ready for this race after attending most of the test days and all our races?

not trying to filter down what you guys are saying.... but asking a question,
to be honest, I think he will be ready.....

[Billy]

hey billy and pete...

i agree with you guys.... apart from ONE thing...just a little thing..

one of our vic club sponsored riders is eligible for this race,

would he not be ready for this race after attending most of the test days and all our races?

not trying to filter down what you guys are saying.... but asking a question,
to be honest, I think he will be ready.....

The problem for me is not that I dont think some of the younger riders couldnt cope with it.Its more about some of the older guys that have been in the class for sometime,Coupled with some of the younger riders who havent quite grasped the severity of the situations they get themselves and everybody around them into.Because theyve done the bulk of their racing at Manfeild and Taupo theyve gotten away with some pretty dodgy moves that they wont get away with on a street circuit.As an experienced rider who has ridden in that class over the last couple of Actrix series and ridden at a whole host of street circuits,All I see is a disaster waiting to happen.In the last 2 years I have witnessed people who should know better doing dumb shit like,Letting go of the brake lever and turning the throttle back on when you outbrake them,Look directly at the rider next to them in the braking area too see when they brake and then run clean off the track,Look behind on entering a corner too see whos behind them or where they are and on it goes.Can you imagine the consequences of some of those actions through the esses or over the bridge at Wanganui when theres 25 bikes all about the same speed and lamp posts, traffic islands and air fencing all over the place???.If you have a 150 rider who you think is ready for Wanganui,Enter him in F3

[ajturbo]

THANKS billy...

this is the sort of reply i wanted....

i will be forwarding this onto the rider's dad...

this may not be what some would like.. but it is the TRUTH...

thanks again!!

AJ

[Str8 Jacket]

Hey Billy, I get where you are coming from and I do believe that there are a few people that have entered Wanganui SS150 this year that are capable. Malcolm is entering and I believe that he is more than capable along with a few others I can think of that may enter. Maybe you are right, maybe they should enter in F3 but I seriously think that it would be safer to have them all together and alone. I thnk that the organisers are serious, they have printed the entry forms with SS150 class on them.
I myself will not enter as I am in no way ready to. However people know there own limits and abilities and I think that they should be able to give it a go. It could be a mess but the most experienced super bike rider may also kill themselves in front of you. I reckon, let it happen. Even if it only happens once then at least they did it...

Just my opinion not saying that you're wrong... :)

[ajturbo]

Hey Billy, I get where you are coming from and I do believe that there are a few people that have entered Wanganui SS150 this year that are capable. Malcolm is entering and I believe that he is more than capable along with a few others I can think of that may enter. Maybe you are right, maybe they should enter in F3 but I seriously think that it would be safer to have them all together and alone. I thnk that the organisers are serious, they have printed the entry forms with SS150 class on them.
I myself will not enter as I am in no way ready to. However people know there own limits and abilities and I think that they should be able to give it a go. It could be a mess but the most experienced super bike rider may also kill themselves in front of you. I reckon, let it happen. Even if it only happens once then at least they did it...

Just my opinion not saying that you're wrong... :)
malcom is MORE than capable!!!!

[koba]

malcom is MORE than capable!!!!

I'm keen to do Wangas this year, I do have other options open to me taking the VFR in F3 or Post Classics.
I'd be keen to give the streetstock a go if they need the numbers.
It would be a great race to finish my 'apprenticeship' in.

I definatley don't think it is the place for learners but there are a reasonable ammount of streetstock riders out there that are capable plus racers that would normally be on other bikes that could come in for a bit of a play.

Even if streetstock doesn't get the green I would consider the RG in F3 over the VFR as the VFR has about twice the power and about half the handling...

[Billy]

Hey Billy, I get where you are coming from and I do believe that there are a few people that have entered Wanganui SS150 this year that are capable. Malcolm is entering and I believe that he is more than capable along with a few others I can think of that may enter. Maybe you are right, maybe they should enter in F3 but I seriously think that it would be safer to have them all together and alone. I thnk that the organisers are serious, they have printed the entry forms with SS150 class on them.
I myself will not enter as I am in no way ready to. However people know there own limits and abilities and I think that they should be able to give it a go. It could be a mess but the most experienced super bike rider may also kill themselves in front of you. I reckon, let it happen. Even if it only happens once then at least they did it...

Just my opinion not saying that you're wrong... :)

Yip,All very good points and I agree Malcom is more than capable.However there are much better places to promote streetstock,As I mentioned earlier the idea of a 1 hour race in conjunction with the NZBADD Endurance race is a far better place where everybody including riders like yourself can also participate and then the class can be promoted properly and under controlled conditions.While I havent spoken too Scrivvy myself Im sure he would make room for it if he can see how it would move the sport forward (Regretfully I doubt they could fit in this year but who knows,Give him a call).As Peter Jones (Oyster)has already pointed out it needs to nutured properly and through a club,Something I am working through with a club at the moment and Jos Mason from NZBADD and Myself are putting a scholarship together for the new 250 production class along with the help of some other high profile KBersWhich will hopefully include a full National assault.More details will be released soon regarding this and the new proposed NZBADD junior series and rider training scheme.It will be big,It will be good but most importantly it WILL be well organised,Safe and be for everybody not just a few who fit a certain criteria for the sake of 15 minutes of fameRemember,We have a new President now and Hes working his butt off behind the scenes trying to get things back on track and a group of us older riders have been working behind the scenes to get this new 250 class off the ground,But not til its been worked through thoroughly and we are all sure its done right.Remember,Safe,Fun &Fair.Of course all these ramblings are only my take and I cant possibly know everything

[koba]

Of course all these ramblings are only my take and I cant possibly know everything

But you HAVE been around for a fair while so you probably do know a fair bit more than most of us.

I like the sound of what you are talking about here, let me know if I can help. (being organised is not my strong point but I can help in other ways.)

[racer40]

hi everone, talking with leighton of wanganui yesterday, the s/stock class is a happening thing for wanganui, in fact for the whole tri series with overall trophys as well, but only if the numbers promised to leighton happen, so i guess its up to the individual if they do it. as far as a 1 hour race within the TRRS we just cannot fit it in timewise, but could look at it in the future if thats what riders want. Chris

[Billy]

But you HAVE been around for a fair while so you probably do know a fair bit more than most of us.
SO YOUR SAYING IM OLD THEN
I like the sound of what you are talking about here, let me know if I can help. (being organised is not my strong point but I can help in other ways.)
Yip will do,Im sure we will find summit for you to do

[7mmWSM]

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