Restrictions on bikes similar to firearms

[Mr Merde]

Lately it has come to my attention that there is a growing number of motorcycle related accidents.

I took it upon myself to make a few suggestions to LTNZ as to methoids which could alleviate some of these accidents or at least lessen the impact upon the general public who, on the whole, dont really like tose noisy machines anyway.

So below are my reccomendations.

I needed a benchmark so I based the suggestions upon that other dangerous object, firearms, andf the restictions placed upon them.
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1) motorbikes should be governed to a top speed of say 150kph and a 0-100 of 15 seconds.

2) as part of the licence the potential owner should have to provide a garage to keep the bike in when not in use so as to deter thefts

3)UMMMM FULL GEAR AT ALL TIMES, HIGH VIS VESTS ETC
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4) FLASHING LEDS

5) MUST ATTEND SAFETY REFRESHER COURSES EVERY 6 MONTHS

6) 3 YEAR LICENCE with a 123.75 cost of renewal

7) Strict rules on where and when you can operate a motorcycle.

8) Restricted classes of motorcycles with corresponding restrictions upon their security.

9) Bikes you can own but are not allowed to ride.

10) Minimum wheelbase restriction.

11) No drop bars as they may be construed as “racing equipment” unless you have a special racing licence that they can charge you another $200 for. Again strict security restrictions on where you can us this and security.

12) Restrictions on fuel tank size. No more than 10 litres unless you upgrade to the "racing licence" and satify the criteria for that class.

Feel free to add any other restrictions you think may be suitable.




Merde

[CookMySock]

What about, only square wheels allowed for the first 10,000kms, or one year, depending which one comes first.

After that, graduating to octogon wheels! (edit: unless you get a speeding ticket, then you go to triangle wheels, and 10,000km to be completed on them..)

edit again: Nah that will be negated by the latest ohlins shocks..
Steve

[riffer]

Yeah nice troll. :sleep:

[Swoop]

Surely a "vital part" will have to be removed when the bike is in storage??? Thieves have to be deterred somehow.

[hayd3n]

if this happens im leaving nz 0-100 in 15 what>?

[Motu]

LTNZ


What a fuckwit - LTNZ is long gone,it's been New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) for some time now.The important part of a troll is to make it look real....and you fuck up on the basics! Duh.

[Flip]

The rider must prove that he is a suitable person to hold and use a motorcycle. The rider must provide suitable references from 4 people, two must be imeadiate family (mother or wife) and two must must hold a full motorcycle license for more than 5 years.

The police can confiscate both license and motorcycle at their discretion, and the rider has to apply to the courts for their return.

[Spyke]

Do the same to cars then

[Marmoot]

Don't stop there.

In order to prevent more violent crimes, all the current violent criminals should be sentenced to death. Moreover, pregnancy and birth should be banned so as to avoid having new criminals being born.

And to lower unemployment, everyone who is currently classified as "unemployed" due to being in the productive age while not working should be sentenced to death. Ve vil achive 0% unemploymen in short order.

Ze drem vil finali kum tru!

[puddytat]

They must be emblazoned with graphic text & pictures of possible side effects

[chester]

trainer wheels are a must also...........

[=cJ=]

Surely a "vital part" will have to be removed when the bike is in storage??? Thieves have to be deterred somehow.

Like the key? :p

[Argyle]

All kiwis should be forced to do a theoretical test and practical test to gain any kind of bike license.
There should be three kind of categories:

125cc, 16years old, 18KW at the most.
600cc, 18years old, 33kw at the most.
full license XXXXcc, 21years old

All practical tests should consist of two parts, one there you do a "circuit" and prove that you can handle your bike, brake testing in 50kmh, 70kmh and 100kmh.
Second part a test in traffic.

No one is allowed to drive a bike on their car license except a moped.

[Shadows]

Every rider must wear a clown suit so as not to appear threatening to the general public.

[JMemonic]

What about, only square wheels allowed for the first 10,000kms, or one year, depending which one comes first.

After that, graduating to octogon wheels! (edit: unless you get a speeding ticket, then you go to triangle wheels, and 10,000km to be completed on them..)

edit again: Nah that will be negated by the latest ohlins shocks..
Steve

Bah behind in the news http://www.china.org.cn/china/photos/2009-05/07/content_17738257.htm

[spookytooth]

Also knives should be limeted to 1 per person per house hold,as they are used more than guns in crime.

[Swoop]

Like the key? :p
Nope. The key only gets you "access" to the item. A vital part still needs to be removed. Ignition, section of wiring, motor, etc... Something that prevents a thief operating the item without considerable inconvenience.

[Dare]

1) motorbikes should be governed to a top speed of say 150kph and a 0-100 of 15 seconds.
15 seconds? Sounds pretty dangerous to me, would take 7 seconds to pull out of my driveway and get to speed!

[mossy1200]

Ill put my bike in the van and take it for a drive.Ill have to be carefull as i might still break the 15sec rule.

[slofox]

Maximum allowed speed 4mph. Man with red flag and bell to walk in front...

Petrol to be stored separately from motorbike...

[jono035]

I like this idea. And to anyone who objects then you are a death-monger who lives off the fear of the poor parents involved and only want to be free to watch people kill each other and to kill other people.

All motorcyclists need to justify why they need a motorcycle. Given that the only reason to have a motorcycle is transport, then a GN250 is all you will be allowed without a special license. This special license will only allow you to use the bike at the track... You like the idea of riding a bigger bike? Tough, you need to give a reason why you should be able to, going fast is speeding, accelerating quickly is dangerous driving.

Any flash or fast looking bikes are also outlawed because that way we can keep people who want to kill themselves on a motorcycle from going 'hey, that bike looks awesome, I want a motorcycle too'.

That is ok though because all the tracks are being closed down because people moved in next door then realised that it could get a little noisy at times so complained to the council. The flash bikes are being banned because people think they look scary. The price of petrol for bikes is going up because the government is making it harder to import because it is 'dangerous'.

To everyone who reads this: Please bear in mind that when you read these restrictions (and wonder what the hell I have been smoking) that this is the same feeling that most firearms owners in NZ get when people start suggesting these so called 'solutions' to the 'problem' of firearms-related crime. Almost without fail these restrictions seem to be designed to cause the most grief for law abiding firearms license holders while simultaneously costing the tax payer a ridiculous amount to enforce with ZERO measurable benefit in terms of increasing safety.

Most of these restrictions that I have suggested are based off other existing restrictions on firearms license holders or restrictions that people have suggested.

Hunting and shooting is every bit as bred into our blood as motorcycles are. A lot of people grew up in families where they started out hunting rabbits and possums and have moved on to deer, pigs, goats, ducks etc. all of which are pests in a lot of places. A lot of people target shoot as a sport and do so just as safely and competently as a motorcyclist at a track day.

Please remember this next time you see someone spouting off about how law abiding firearms license holders should be required to submit to periodic cavity searches because in other countries 1 person per 40 million is killed each year in a high-school shooting, while simultaneously failing to provide statistics for high-school knifings or high-school poisonings or high-school beatings-to-death etc.

Sorry for the excessive ranting....

[Swoop]

Petrol to be stored separately from motorbike...
Damn. I forgot about that one! Good point!!!!!!

I like this idea...
Damn good post mate. Some people will get it.

[gwigs]

And anyone caught having fun on a bike should be jailed without trial.:spanking:
0-100k in 15 secs could the human body cope with such acceleration?

[Shadows]

And anyone caught having fun on a bike should be jailed without trial.:spanking:
0-100k in 15 secs could the human body cope with such acceleration?

Apparently one cannot breathe over 60mph.

But if one could... 0-100kph acceleration in 15 seconds surely would be better then 100-0kph in a fraction of a second.

[Mr Merde]

So manyt people have viewed this thread and about 10% have commented.

Forgive my obvious troll but I was just trying to make a point in a manner that you all should understand.

All the comments regarding bikes and safethy I have heard before. Most of them not in jest but raised as a serious means of controlling motorbikes and their riders.

Now just imagine what its like for those of us who choose to partake in the shooting sports.

We are a very lawabiding segment of the community. We are very safety concious and we are very tired of being hit upon when there is an incedent involving a firearm.

Did you know that the history of firerms control in this country was never a bout the firearms themselves. Its always been about control of the people who pocess them. In 1920 they brought in the first major arms legislation because they were afraid that there was going to be some sort of revolution. Think about it. The Russian Revolution, the anarchist uprisings, WW1 where people got used to using firearms on other people..

ARMS CONTROL IS ABOUT PEOPLE CONTROL

Always has been and always will.

How would you like it if you were constantly bombarded by new and improved controls being mooted or legislated for the control of how, when, what and where you are allowed to use a motorcycle.

Dont tell me it is not the same. It is. Remember

People Control.

A controlled populace is a docile populace and thetrefore less likely to react when other rights are slowly eroded.

Can you think of any of this errosioin of your rights?

How about thew smacking bill, how about the abolishment of the Privy Council, how about the police investiugating themselves after a compaint. How about the way your ele cted representatives pretty much ignore you once they have been elected. How about the right to protect yourself or your family (dont tell me tahts what the police are for as they are totally reacti ve to an event). How about the pay you pay for road works with yor taxes then have to pay again with a toll.

Just think about it.
Then make an informed decision, but sorry even though you may do that what good is it when you dont have the right to be heard. You protest you could be done for disturbing the peace or worse.

They, whoever they are have you by the short and curlies. They run your life from birth to death and make you pay all the way.


Chris

[wbks]

If there were crates of G36's and RPGs dropped on the corner of every street, available to every person in NZ, apart from more violence there would still be no "armed revolt", NZ is too docile. Maybe in ww1 time like you said, but now it could only really be about limiting what is available to criminals IMO. With control on weapons as strict as it is, you aren't going to see any full auto assault rifles in the hands of gangs like in the US, are you. What would people revolt for, anyway?

[MaxB]

I'm beginning to think that anyone over the age of 16 caught committing a serious crime on your property could be dealt to by the householder (and that includes firearms). The householder should be exempt from prosecution.

Example: If you catch some turd stealing your bike at night you should be able to shoot him in the backside and not go to jail.

The crims seem to have more rights than the victims. Look at that Clayton Weatherston. He was caught pretty much red handed in his ex's parents place. If he can bullshit his way through trial and the jury is thick he might actually walk free. Under my law Mum or Dad would have shot him and saved us a lot of trouble. They might have even saved her life.

[Finn]

Every rider must wear a clown suit so as not to appear threatening to the general public.

Most sportbike riders already do.

[Usarka]

The analogy is pants.

Gun = point, shoot, kill, repeat.

Bike = point, shoot, kill, die.

[jono035]

The analogy is pants.

Gun = point, shoot, kill, repeat.

Bike = point, shoot, kill, die.

If you want to nit-pick then it is more like this:

Gun = point, shoot, kill, repeat, point, shoot, injure, repeat, point, shoot, getkilledbyAOS.

Bike = point, shoot, kill, die x 100 peryear (would have copy/pasted 100x but that'd be obnoxious)...

[Usarka]

If you want to nit-pick then it is more like this:

Gun = point, shoot, kill, repeat, point, shoot, injure, repeat, point, shoot, getkilledbyAOS.

Bike = point, shoot, kill, die x 100 peryear (would have copy/pasted 100x but that'd be obnoxious)...

A biker can kill 100 (???) people while a gunman kills one then gets shot? :lol: Bahahahahaha thank you come again.

But if we're counting total deaths including holder of said weapon lets add to the deaths of innocent people by not forgetting the 50 odd people who kill themselves each year with firearms. Oooh no I didn't say that - head back in the sand :shutup:.

[Swoop]

A biker can kill 100 (???) people while a gunman kills one then gets shot?
I presume he is saying that 100 bikers get killed every year, not that a biker can kill 100 others.

[jono035]

A biker can kill 100 (???) people while a gunman kills one then gets shot? :lol: Bahahahahaha thank you come again.

But if we're counting total deaths including holder of said weapon lets add to the deaths of innocent people by not forgetting the 50 odd people who kill themselves each year with firearms. Oooh no I didn't say that - head back in the sand :shutup:.

The thought that someone might read it that way actually went through my head before I pushed submit but I figured nah, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt :D

Do you honestly think people need firearms to kill themselves? Of the 3 cases of suicide that I am familiar with (friend, friend of a friend, schoolmate) 2 hung themselves and 1 gassed himself in his car. The rate of firearms involvement in suicides has been steadily declining in fact.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10513144

"Mr Green said raw statistics showed crime involving firearms had slipped since 10 years ago from 1.7 per cent of all violent crime to 1.28 per cent.

Suicides involving firearms had decreased and the homicide rate involving firearms had dropped 35 per cent in the past 15 years, he said."

Edit: The fact that you are bringing suicide rates into this is a pretty clear indicator that you already have strong preconceived ideas about firearms control and safety. It is a tragedy when someone decides to take the course of committing suicide and to indicate that somehow the firearm that they used is responsible not only distracts from that, but is reprehensible in the way it belittles the problem, as if the primary motivator was 'because they could'. I am always happy to debate firearms control and am happy to admit there are areas that it can be improved on when they are pointed out. I do not believe that I am likely to receive the same courtesy from you, unfortunately. Thus far I have had to endure wise cracks made about firearms owners and their sexual proclivities, had someone claim that they had won the argument because I had not responded in time (apparently 10 minutes is the allowance) and now snarky comments about facts that I am implied to have suppressed for some reason? Surely over a subject as important as this a polite and articulate debate would not be entirely out of the question?

[Elysium]

Lately it has come to my attention that there is a growing number of motorcycle related accidents.

I took it upon myself to make a few suggestions to LTNZ as to methoids which could alleviate some of these accidents or at least lessen the impact upon the general public who, on the whole, dont really like tose noisy machines anyway.

So below are my reccomendations.


What!!? Thats crazy talk fool!