What is the difference...

[Katman]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

[wbks]

Fuckwit motorcyclists ride Katana's, that's how

[grusomhat]

A fuckwit on a motorcycle will last almost 80% shorter than a fuckwit in a car.

[wbks]

But as a serious answer: A boy racer is seen doing burnouts and silly driving. A normal driver is seen going around obeying all road laws. A "fuckwit biker"(as I think public might interpret) is seen wheelieing, doing burnouts, speeding, stuff like that. Really so hard to tell?

[varminter]

Fuckwit motorcyclists ride Katana's, that's how

I resent that, ice cream cones at ten paces, see you at dawn, well make that ten am.

[Wingnut]

This would be a good post for the "Mormen Few" to answer - first hand knowledge and all.:lol:

[Ixion]

Actually, it's quite easy. Someone who wakes me up at 3 am is either a boi-racer of a fukwit-biker. If what awakens me has four wheels, the former, if two , the latter.

If it doesn't wake me up in the small hours , it's neither.

Boy racer has ceased to be a meaningful term. It now simply means someone 9usually young) of whom the speaker (usually old fossilised and bigoted) disapproves.

[NighthawkNZ]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

ummm 2 wheels...

[98tls]

Strange as it may sound what Joe public thinks of me when im riding doesnt much bother me,leaving myself open to a "dont moan when they try and kill ya then" rant i guess.

[Katman]

ummm 2 wheels...

And that's about the extent of it.

[slofox]

Boy racer has ceased to be a meaningful term. It now simply means someone (usually young) of whom the speaker (usually old fossilised and bigoted) disapproves.

Who you calling old and fossilised?

[Katman]

Boy racer has ceased to be a meaningful term. It now simply means someone 9usually young) of whom the speaker (usually old fossilised and bigoted) disapproves.

Precisely.

[dipshit]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

Did you see Close Up on TV this evening?

What a family of losers.

Moronic kiwi culture at its beast. (worst)

[Katman]

Did you see Close Up on TV this evening?

What a family of losers.

Moronic kiwi culture at its beast. (worst)

It's what prompted this thread.

[Aaron_newrider]

Precisely.

There isn't, both are willing to take risks to do something they enjoy.... Boyracer is a crappy term.... Maybe the cops should make it easier for us to do what we enjoy by giving us easily accessable places to do it.

Heven forbid - if you did skids on your own lawn - and a cop drove by I bet they would stop...

[dipshit]

And here's some young boy racer wankers on bikes...

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233234

[ManDownUnder]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

Motorcyclists are always right - ask anyone in here...

[ManDownUnder]

And bikes don't go "UUNS-UUNS-UUNS" all the way down the road...

[ManDownUnder]

And we giggle at "wankle"

[Mom]

And bikes don't go "UUNS-UUNS-UUNS" all the way down the road...

Mine does :D

[ManDownUnder]

Mine does :D

post edited... thanks

[Mom]

post edited... thanks

Thanks :bleh:

[tigertim20]

There isn't, both are willing to take risks to do something they enjoy.... Boyracer is a crappy term.... Maybe the cops should make it easier for us to do what we enjoy by giving us easily accessable places to do it.

Heven forbid - if you did skids on your own lawn - and a cop drove by I bet they would stop...

Fuck That. why the fuck should the cops be responsible for providing places for us to go nuts in vehicles? christ, heres two options.
Speedway, there are two wheeled (solo bikes) three wheeled (sidechairs) and four wheeled options. In the four wheeled, everything from no contact to damn near full contact classes. Costs spread between three grand for a mini stock, or less for a second hand one. or less for a production saloon. (all the way up to $100,000 plus 500kg 800HP plus methanol injected V8 sprintcars.....)
Now that option can be acheived for less than what some of those fuckwits spend on a set of rims for their cars. Thats one option where they can race, win prizes, be recognized as a skilled driver, and learn some skills too.

Option 2. and even cheaper. TRACKDAYS. Not that expensive and you can go as fast as you like. film it. put it on youtube, brag to your mates about how fast you went.

Oh, and then there are drag racing meetings held all over the place regularly that anyone can go in.

I am sick of all these fuckin boyracer cunts pissing on about 'oh well they should give us somewhere to go'. there are plenty of places to go do that kinda stuff, they are just using it as (a piss fuckin poor) excuse.

rant over! lol

[MadDuck]

Mine does :D

Mine goes "potato...potato...potato" apparently :bleh:

[Aaron_newrider]

Fuck That. why the fuck should the cops be responsible for providing places for us to go nuts in vehicles? christ, heres two options.
Speedway, there are two wheeled (solo bikes) three wheeled (sidechairs) and four wheeled options. In the four wheeled, everything from no contact to damn near full contact classes. Costs spread between three grand for a mini stock, or less for a second hand one. or less for a production saloon. (all the way up to $100,000 plus 500kg 800HP plus methanol injected V8 sprintcars.....)
Now that option can be acheived for less than what some of those fuckwits spend on a set of rims for their cars. Thats one option where they can race, win prizes, be recognized as a skilled driver, and learn some skills too.

Option 2. and even cheaper. TRACKDAYS. Not that expensive and you can go as fast as you like. film it. put it on youtube, brag to your mates about how fast you went.

Oh, and then there are drag racing meetings held all over the place regularly that anyone can go in.

I am sick of all these fuckin boyracer cunts pissing on about 'oh well they should give us somewhere to go'. there are plenty of places to go do that kinda stuff, they are just using it as (a piss fuckin poor) excuse.

rant over! lol

I would have to disagree - and there are afew good reasons why to be honest.

The police are not responsible to do it, but they are responsible to fix a community issue and their current approach is not working.

Speedway - the Waikaraka Park one? I looked on their site and nowhere does it give me information as to when/how I can go and race at all. And isin't it dirt? Also it has no drag race avalibale does it? I did a quick google search, and it didn't give me any information as to how I can be involved if I wanted to.

Right, so the track at Pukekohe - it's 70km's from Mairangi Bay on the north shore! Which is quite along way round trip. Especially when quite afew "boy racers" will be on there restricted and each will have to take their own car so that's alot of petrol, which is alot of money which young guys don't have.

I am not aware of any drag race meetings to be honest, and I'm a 20 year old. When I was 16 I was not aware of anything that was legal that I could do.

If alittle money was put towards promoting/organising events where "boy racers" could go and do what they want to do for a small fee under supervision, where the cops didn't ping them on the way in for no WOF/REGO, here are the organisations that would save money by doing so...

Ambulance
Police
Fire Brigade
Hospitals
Courts

Ambulance service has said "why should we have someone on standbuy for these events" why? because if you don't scrape one person off the road today, you will scraping 10 off the road tomorrow... 1/10th the cost... just an example don't look into the figures just get the jist.

Although, the cops make heaps of money off boy-racers so they may actually loose money.


That's my opinion and you're comments are most welcome. But don't write a stupid "fuck shit fuck shit" like the above... reply write a reply worth reading. :clap:

[Deano]

IThe police are not responsible to do it, but they are responsible to fix a community issue and their current approach is not working.


I stopped reading after this.

Police responsibility is to uphold the law. End of.

Do you have any responsibility at all ?

Honest question.

[Maha]

Did you see Close Up on TV this evening?

What a family of losers.

Moronic kiwi culture at its beast. (worst)

I watched part of the story...only part because my thoughts were..sorry for your lose but, dont point and blame anyone but your son. The father said '' he dosen't blame his son, he blames the car manufacture for producing the cars and the government for allowing these cars into the country''....:rolleyes:

They went on to say '' we dont why they we speeding''...
Um, try...because they were racing the other vehicle that got towed along with the rooted car. :niceone:

[Deano]

I
Speedway - the Waikaraka Park one? I looked on their site and nowhere does it give me information as to when/how I can go and race at all. And isin't it dirt? Also it has no drag race avalibale does it? I did a quick google search, and it didn't give me any information as to how I can be involved if I wanted to.

Right, so the track at Pukekohe - it's 70km's from Mairangi Bay on the north shore! Which is quite along way round trip. Especially when quite afew "boy racers" will be on there restricted and each will have to take their own car so that's alot of petrol, which is alot of money which young guys don't have.

I am not aware of any drag race meetings to be honest, and I'm a 20 year old. When I was 16 I was not aware of anything that was legal that I could do.

If alittle money was put towards promoting/organising events where "boy racers" could go and do what they want to do for a small fee under supervision, where the cops didn't ping them on the way in for no WOF/REGO, here are the organisations that would save money by doing so...

Ambulance
Police
Fire Brigade
Hospitals
Courts

Ambulance service has said "why should we have someone on standbuy for these events" why? because if you don't scrape one person off the road today, you will scraping 10 off the road tomorrow... 1/10th the cost... just an example don't look into the figures just get the jist.

Although, the cops make heaps of money off boy-racers so they may actually loose money.


That's my opinion and you're comments are most welcome. But don't write a stupid "fuck shit fuck shit" like the above... reply write a reply worth reading. :clap:

Shit - I'm reading more now and all I'm hearing is waaah waaaah waaaah waaah.

Where's your dummy boy.

[Subike]

Heven forbid - if you did skids on your own lawn - and a cop drove by I bet they would stop...

I was in Rangiora on wed night, there was a guy doing a burn out up his own drive with the gate shut, the police arrived at the address and entered the property. I did not see the result of the police visit,but there was tyre smoke.
This was opp the New World car park, so was in full view of wed night shoppers

[nosebleed]

I would have to disagree - and there are afew good reasons why to be honest.

The police are not responsible to do it, but they are responsible to fix a community issue and their current approach is not working.

Speedway - the Waikaraka Park one? I looked on their site and nowhere does it give me information as to when/how I can go and race at all. And isin't it dirt? Also it has no drag race avalibale does it? I did a quick google search, and it didn't give me any information as to how I can be involved if I wanted to.

Right, so the track at Pukekohe - it's 70km's from Mairangi Bay on the north shore! Which is quite along way round trip. Especially when quite afew "boy racers" will be on there restricted and each will have to take their own car so that's alot of petrol, which is alot of money which young guys don't have.

I am not aware of any drag race meetings to be honest, and I'm a 20 year old. When I was 16 I was not aware of anything that was legal that I could do.

If alittle money was put towards promoting/organising events where "boy racers" could go and do what they want to do for a small fee under supervision, where the cops didn't ping them on the way in for no WOF/REGO, here are the organisations that would save money by doing so...

Ambulance
Police
Fire Brigade
Hospitals
Courts

Ambulance service has said "why should we have someone on standbuy for these events" why? because if you don't scrape one person off the road today, you will scraping 10 off the road tomorrow... 1/10th the cost... just an example don't look into the figures just get the jist.

Although, the cops make heaps of money off boy-racers so they may actually loose money.


That's my opinion and you're comments are most welcome. But don't write a stupid "fuck shit fuck shit" like the above... reply write a reply worth reading. :clap:

Oh man where do i start?.. I don't get what youre saying.

the thread you replied doesn't suggest that there is drag-racing at the speedway. it actually suggests drag-racing as option 3

the Police are not responsible for fixing community based problems (as you put it) they are responsible for criminal based issues. the community must be responsible for its own 'civil' issues.

back in my day, we didn't google everything we wanted to find out about... we picked up a phone and called (not texted either - voice over copper - old skool) or, or check this, even went and visted personally to find out information.

thought you were in Parnell, so what does the distance from Mairangi Bay have to do with anything?
if you can't afford the gas to 'race' legit, how can you afford the gas to 'race' illegal.

drag meetings are really quite regular, http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/ would be a good start.
back in the day was Street Meet on the last sunday of every month - easy peasy.

the reality is, you can't be arsed to race legally, and you enjoy the thrill of just a little lawbreak - no harm done ay.
if you were interested, you'd be making the effort to get the information, to make the sacrifices to afford the gas/entry fees/ transport costs and the all the other things that go into racing.

[bull]

I watched part of the story...only part because my thoughts were..sorry for your lose but, dont point and blame anyone but your son. The father said '' he dosen't blame his son, he blames the car manufacture for producing the cars and the government for allowing these cars into the country''....:rolleyes:

They went on to say '' we dont why they we speeding''...
Um, try...because they were racing the other vehicle that got towed along with the rooted car. :niceone:

Thats the part that i remember the most too - had my 12yr old in the room who also saw it and he was the first to say "crap, its the driver who pushes his foot to make the car go" think im doing ok as a parent so far, followed up with my son about making decisions, from passengers point of view, whether to sound like a pussy telling driver to slow down or end up dead. He saw where i was heading with this.

That father is hurting im sure and can let it go that he blames the cars but deep down you can guarantee that he knows whom was responsible.

[Ixion]

Fuck That. why the fuck should the cops be responsible for providing places for us to go nuts in vehicles? christ, heres two options.
Speedway, there are two wheeled (solo bikes) three wheeled (sidechairs) and four wheeled options. ..

Option 2. and even cheaper. TRACKDAYS. Not that expensive and you can go as fast as you like. film it. put it on youtube, brag to your mates about how fast you went.

Oh, and then there are drag racing meetings held all over the place regularly that anyone can go in.

..l

But many of the young men loosely called "boy racers" are not really into racing at all.

They just want to be able to hang out with some mates , show off their cars, and (if they're lucky) pull a chick.

Now , honestly, all you old folk, cast your minds back. And when I say "Remember a certain Mercury Coupe/Ford Zephyr/Valiant Charger", doesn't it ring a few bells?

Yes sure, they're going to be a bit noisey about it. So send them off somewhere where they're not going to wake people up. Not many folk sleeping along the Te Rapa straight .

And yes, they're obnoxious insufferable smart arses. Gee, I was too at that age.

Most of them aren't looking for anything as serious as organised competative motorsport (some may be into that, and good on them). They just want to hang out , brag to their mates, compare cars, impress the chick with the big tits, have a few beers and go home (preferably with said chick).Actually, pretty much the same as a bunch of bikers after a ride.

Stupid stunts like spreading diesel on the raod - clobber their arses right hard. Hooning around in the small hours where people are trying to sleep, ditto. But I don't think it's fair or natural to expect them to behave like grey cardigan wearing old fossils. I wasn't like that when I was their age. Nor were you. Old heads, young shoulders n stuff.

[davebullet]

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

You only need to tell who is an inconsiderate selfish risk taker vs those who are considerate and abide by the law.

As you know, motorcycles encourage pushing the envelope and making one become a fuckwit. There are far more normal and sedate car drivers as a ratio to total car drivers vs. those on motorcycles.

[Squid]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

the fuckwits on motorcycles ride kawasakis or hondas. :dodge: Usally on one wheel.

When was the last time you saw or heard of a bunch of bikers meeting up to go up and down the local straight peice of road at all hours though? Least we have the decency to find a set of twisties for that sort of carry on.

[Squiggles]

There isnt a difference besides two fewer wheels. Boy racers though, come on, Lets just label them Roadracers.


both are willing to take risks to do something they enjoy


Least we have the decency to find a set of twisties for that sort of carry on.

Is it acceptable then for me to play fuckwit on the twisty roads?...

[Mikkel]

The difference is, obviously, that the boi-racer is a primple faced youf with no respect of the law of the land who's going to spend the rest of his life paying off the fines collected for his anti-social behaviour...

... while the fuckwit biker is full grown man with plenty of tatoos and contacts in the drug dealing circles who will hunt down and brutally maim and kill you and your children if you ever presume to even indicate a mild displeasure with his conduct on the public roads.

[NighthawkNZ]

where the cops didn't ping them on the way in for no WOF/REGO, here are the organisations that would save money by doing so...

errr so you still want break the law that every one else has to abide by, by still driving an un-REGOed and un-WOFed car on the road getting to and from the site where you are allowed to do you boy racing????

[gunrunner]

Its easy ... Fuckwits know nothing bout their bikes , enthusiasts maintain and look after theirs .

:headbang:

[Aaron_newrider]

I stopped reading after this.

Police responsibility is to uphold the law. End of.

Do you have any responsibility at all ?

Honest question.

Quick note: I don't have a car or a bike at the moment and am out of my "let's loose my licence for pulling a handbreak" stage.... don't do dumb shit anymore. Used to think drink driving was ok when I was 16 - now I figure it's live vs $40 taxi.

Yeah "boyracers" should have some responsibility, definately, but if we leave the responsibility upto one group of people it never works. Police are there to uphold the law yes totally correct, but there are quite afew instances where police work within the community and if you look at their projects they do around the country this is shown.

For example, I was watching the news and police are asking in one smaller town for party's to have guest lists to judge the size and if there are likely to be problems so appropriate resources can be made avalibale.

:)

[Aaron_newrider]

Sorry - don't know how to break it up so i've used red



the thread you replied doesn't suggest that there is drag-racing at the speedway. it actually suggests drag-racing as option 3

Pointing out the fact that that's what move "boyracers" like to do so the option isin't that attractive to them.

the Police are not responsible for fixing community based problems (as you put it) they are responsible for criminal based issues. the community must be responsible for its own 'civil' issues.

Police work around the country with community based problems all the time - I think you need to look at this link http://www.police.govt.nz/service/community/index.html

back in my day, we didn't google everything we wanted to find out about... we picked up a phone and called (not texted either - voice over copper - old skool) or, or check this, even went and visted personally to find out information.

"Boyracers" aren't going to go to the trouble of finding stuff to be honest, need easy fast information as that's what everything else is like and that's what is expected these days to be honest


thought you were in Parnell, so what does the distance from Mairangi Bay have to do with anything?

I grew up in Mairangi Bay and that's where I would leave from, why pick at that point?

if you can't afford the gas to 'race' legit, how can you afford the gas to 'race' illegal.

Because at the moment they rase illegally down the road 5min from their house, not 140kms return trip away

drag meetings are really quite regular, http://forums.performancecar.co.nz/ would be a good start.
back in the day was Street Meet on the last sunday of every month - easy peasy.

Fantastic - so lets get the message out there to the young hoons and let them know it's on.

[ducatilover]

The difference is a fuckwit biker goes a fuckload faster and requires a rag and spatula to scrape up. Boi-racers take a crane and tow truck. Both are twats, both ruin the name for car enthusiasts and motorcyclists, both do not tend to have any idea of the limitations of the vehicle they are piloting, like the 'thrill' of projecting themselves down a road at a silly speed and have no sense to realise that once they push that little bit extra that lives are in grave danger. I like fast things, but there is a time and place. I'm not preaching from my pedastall, I fell off a few years back and don't have the damn ladder to it anymore :bleh: I hate the fuckwit cagers / boy racers and dick cheese bikers equally. I do not want to be riding happily one day and get wiped out by a damn eg civic that couldn't pull a turd off my boot driven by some hoodie/cap backwards faggot.

Rant over :mobile::niceone:

[Aaron_newrider]

But many of the young men loosely called "boy racers" are not really into racing at all.

They just want to be able to hang out with some mates , show off their cars, and (if they're lucky) pull a chick.

Now , honestly, all you old folk, cast your minds back. And when I say "Remember a certain Mercury Coupe/Ford Zephyr/Valiant Charger", doesn't it ring a few bells?

Yes sure, they're going to be a bit noisey about it. So send them off somewhere where they're not going to wake people up. Not many folk sleeping along the Te Rapa straight .

And yes, they're obnoxious insufferable smart arses. Gee, I was too at that age.

Most of them aren't looking for anything as serious as organised competative motorsport (some may be into that, and good on them). They just want to hang out , brag to their mates, compare cars, impress the chick with the big tits, have a few beers and go home (preferably with said chick).Actually, pretty much the same as a bunch of bikers after a ride.

Stupid stunts like spreading diesel on the raod - clobber their arses right hard. Hooning around in the small hours where people are trying to sleep, ditto. But I don't think it's fair or natural to expect them to behave like grey cardigan wearing old fossils. I wasn't like that when I was their age. Nor were you. Old heads, young shoulders n stuff.


Totally agree with that stuff there, when I was 16 I remember thinking I was all hot shot and stuff because I had the flashest car. Total little smart arse also :spanking:

One thing police have done is inform petrol stations that they are not to sell diesel to these kids at night, it's usually pretty obvious what it's for... and you know what, it worked! I was out south one night and heard some guy say he was going to get some, was at the petrol station with a can, and they wouldn't let him buy it. Good work police! Community policing, police fixing community issues.

When 16, If I had the opportunity to go and drag I would have, but I wouldn't have paid more than probably $30 for it, and I wouldn't have risked a full circut race cause i couldnt afford to fix dents and didnt want to dent.

Aaron

[ducatilover]

When 16, If I had the opportunity to go and drag I would have, but I wouldn't have paid more than probably $30 for it, and I wouldn't have risked a full circut race cause i couldnt afford to fix dents and didnt want to dent.

Aaron
But a circuit race is a lot safer then a road race, drags are well worth the money, unless you own a shitty japper and fuck it because the strip has a lot more grip...ahhh the turbo mirages blowing gear boxes :msn-wink:

[Squiggles]

But a circuit race is a lot safer then a road race, drags are well worth the money, unless you own a shitty japper and fuck it because the strip has a lot more grip...ahhh the turbo mirages blowing gear boxes :msn-wink:

Thats what makes this thread interesting... under the guise of "supporting" "boyracer" activities, He's actually talking about the same behaviour that labels riders "fuckwit bikers"

[ducatilover]

Thats what makes this thread interesting... under the guise of "supporting" "boyracer" activities, He's actually talking about the same behaviour that labels riders "fuckwit bikers"

You are right there :nono:

[Aaron_newrider]

Thats what makes this thread interesting... under the guise of "supporting" "boyracer" activities, He's actually talking about the same behaviour that labels riders "fuckwit bikers"

I'll support it if it's in a safe environment. In no post have I said boyracing on the street is ok. There are safe environments out there but not as easily accessable to young people as they could be and not targeted towards the boy racers to get them off the restreet.

I agree, if you do it on the street you are fuckwit, putting you life and others in risk. so lets get them off the street and on a track/drag stretch.

[mctshirt]

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

The good guys do the Kiwi Biker wave :msn-wink:

[tigertim20]

But many of the young men loosely called "boy racers" are not really into racing at all.

They just want to be able to hang out with some mates , show off their cars, and (if they're lucky) pull a chick.

Now , honestly, all you old folk, cast your minds back. And when I say "Remember a certain Mercury Coupe/Ford Zephyr/Valiant Charger", doesn't it ring a few bells?

Yes sure, they're going to be a bit noisey about it. So send them off somewhere where they're not going to wake people up. Not many folk sleeping along the Te Rapa straight .

And yes, they're obnoxious insufferable smart arses. Gee, I was too at that age.

Most of them aren't looking for anything as serious as organised competative motorsport (some may be into that, and good on them). They just want to hang out , brag to their mates, compare cars, impress the chick with the big tits, have a few beers and go home (preferably with said chick).Actually, pretty much the same as a bunch of bikers after a ride.

Stupid stunts like spreading diesel on the raod - clobber their arses right hard. Hooning around in the small hours where people are trying to sleep, ditto. But I don't think it's fair or natural to expect them to behave like grey cardigan wearing old fossils. I wasn't like that when I was their age. Nor were you. Old heads, young shoulders n stuff.

the ones who dont race, drag drift and be generally obnoxious annoying little sods arent the problem. never have been. I was responding to ANR's assertion that it is up to the [police etc to organize events especially for those who are into it.

And to Aaron, you said something about a raceway being 70km away, that would be less than the distance most of these morons travel every thursday friday and saturday night round and round and round town anyway. a 140 km round trip in a cgae is bugger all, but here is what it comes down to for you
FINE for loud exhaust $150
Fine having a passenger $400 (each passenger)
Dangerous driving, can be a grand or more, plus loss of licence
I could go on and list the costs for various fines you would incur for driving like a dick, but bottom line, $150 for a track day is still gonna be cheaper in the long run (and probably in the short term too.)

As for 'but I dont know where to go', ask around. Go INTO the speedway and ask around. All the boyracers seem to be able to rally around, and find out where illegal drags and races are gonna be, why cant you channel that energy into finding out about track days, or looking into speedway etc?
show a bit of initiative!

[jono035]

Actually, it's quite easy. Someone who wakes me up at 3 am is either a boi-racer of a fukwit-biker. If what awakens me has four wheels, the former, if two , the latter.

If it doesn't wake me up in the small hours , it's neither.

Boy racer has ceased to be a meaningful term. It now simply means someone 9usually young) of whom the speaker (usually old fossilised and bigoted) disapproves.

As someone who drives a car that would normally have him tagged as a boy-racer, I agree entirely.

It has become a term for people to use when they want to refer to people they don't like but in a way that makes others automatically assume that the people referred to are hooligans and up to something illegal.

[jono035]

And to Aaron, you said something about a raceway being 70km away, that would be less than the distance most of these morons travel every thursday friday and saturday night round and round and round town anyway. a 140 km round trip in a cgae is bugger all, but here is what it comes down to for you
FINE for loud exhaust $150
Fine having a passenger $400 (each passenger)
Dangerous driving, can be a grand or more, plus loss of licence
I could go on and list the costs for various fines you would incur for driving like a dick, but bottom line, $150 for a track day is still gonna be cheaper in the long run (and probably in the short term too.)

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you're over-estimating how often people actually get charged with these offenses. I severely doubt that your average weekend-inner-city-drag-racer is getting $150 fines every weekend. And if they're anything like my friends 'boy racer' younger brother, then they will never pay them anyway and just lean on mum and dad to help them out when the big bad judge tries to send them to jail...

[Squid]

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

Actually come to think of it with the current gubberment the boy racers could soon be the ones with the squished ve-hicles. :spanking:

[tigertim20]

I agree with the sentiment, but I think you're over-estimating how often people actually get charged with these offenses. I severely doubt that your average weekend-inner-city-drag-racer is getting $150 fines every weekend. And if they're anything like my friends 'boy racer' younger brother, then they will never pay them anyway and just lean on mum and dad to help them out when the big bad judge tries to send them to jail...

I wasn't intending to say that they would get fined regularly, I was just pointing out the risk. I was probably better off pointing out that the cost difference between driving around town all night, and fucking your tyres from burnouts etc, and that of going to a track day is next to fuckall. My bad for not being clearer!

[jono035]

I wasn't intending to say that they would get fined regularly, I was just pointing out the risk. I was probably better off pointing out that the cost difference between driving around town all night, and fucking your tyres from burnouts etc, and that of going to a track day is next to fuckall. My bad for not being clearer!

Yeah, very true, driving around in circles anyway, might as well do it at speed!

[Dare]

the ones who dont race, drag drift and be generally obnoxious annoying little sods arent the problem. never have been. I was responding to ANR's assertion that it is up to the [police etc to organize events especially for those who are into it.

And to Aaron, you said something about a raceway being 70km away, that would be less than the distance most of these morons travel every thursday friday and saturday night round and round and round town anyway. a 140 km round trip in a cgae is bugger all, but here is what it comes down to for you
FINE for loud exhaust $150
Fine having a passenger $400 (each passenger)
Dangerous driving, can be a grand or more, plus loss of licence
I could go on and list the costs for various fines you would incur for driving like a dick, but bottom line, $150 for a track day is still gonna be cheaper in the long run (and probably in the short term too.)

As for 'but I dont know where to go', ask around. Go INTO the speedway and ask around. All the boyracers seem to be able to rally around, and find out where illegal drags and races are gonna be, why cant you channel that energy into finding out about track days, or looking into speedway etc?
show a bit of initiative!

I was in the car once with a few others when a fine for $800 was written out, I had a full license (for under 2 years) at the time but the lady in question wanted to be at the wheel. Could have been more but the copper was being 'nice'.

I find myself on Aarons side here, telling him to go to a speedway is not the same as solving the more general problem. For one thing speedway never appealed to me, I like to be able to turn in more than one direction. Drifting did appeal but never had the money for it. Drags also didn't appeal, handbrakies in wet carparks did.

A large part of boy racer culture is being just that bit outside the law, much like gangs and some bikers. Taking it to a track is sanitising the whole idea and yes those who are truly interested in the TECHNIQUE might be able to afford to hone their skills on a track (hey if daddy buys them an m3 then why the hell not, but I suspect daddy doesn't know about the tyre marks on SH16) but that is rather missing the point. Those who are into the CULTURE aren't generally that interested in the driving part, apart from believing they are all better than Fernando Alonso. They are more interested in the blow off valves and the girls in the passenger seat and the million watt sound system, none of which have anything to do with a track.

A discussion we had the other day went something like this, so called 'youths' have a certain competitive rebellious energy which has to be dissapated somehow. Unfortunately in our current society everything interesting/dangerous is or will soon be either illegal or incredibly expensive. Drugs, violence, boy racers, etc, etc, all fit into this universal trait and in Britain there is now almost outright war between council house youths and the so called keepers of the peace. It's easy to say take it to a track when you are thirty something and the smell of the pies in the oven are wafting over. But it's like internet piracy, no one has quite thought of a satisfactory solution.

Personally I respect the law, when it is looking, the rest of the time they are more... Guidelines.
Face it, put the cookies on the top shelf and your kids are gonna find a ladder. There HAS to be danger, and as such people are going to get hurt. But the more you pressure people to be on the straight and narrow the more they do rebel when they have had enough. This is how revolutions are started people! And also why Japanese businessmen do 300kmh runs in Tokyo, we are not robots and do not deserve to be treated as such.

[Katman]

And in the same 'what is the difference' vein.............

If a motorcyclist, through an act of stupidity kills another motorcyclist is there any difference between that and a Boy Racer losing control of their car while doing a doughnut and killing an innocent bystander?

[jono035]

And in the same 'what is the difference' vein.............

If a motorcyclist, through an act of stupidity kills another motorcyclist is there any difference between that and a Boy Racer losing control of their car while doing a doughnut and killing an innocent bystander?

Assuming you assign equal stupidity to each act then no. If neither of the victims were doing anything that would have normally been dangerous then the situation is the same.

[tigertim20]

I find myself on Aarons side here, telling him to go to a speedway is not the same as solving the more general problem. For one thing speedway never appealed to me, I like to be able to turn in more than one direction. Drifting did appeal but never had the money for it. Drags also didn't appeal, handbrakies in wet carparks did. the point I was making is that there are ways of doing what you want without breaking the law and being a dangerous cunt to the rest of the community. also, maybe you shouldn't be driving round in ANYTHING, until you can prove you drive round a simple oval track at speed on dirt, without losing control. I think many of these idiots would be too scared to drive on a real race track, cos all their mates would see the skills they DONT have...

A large part of boy racer culture is being just that bit outside the law, much like gangs and some bikers. Taking it to a track is sanitising the whole idea and yes those who are truly interested in the TECHNIQUE might be able to afford to hone their skills on a track It doesnt have to have anything to do with skill. just go have FUN, film it, put it on youtube, brag to ya mates that you were fastest that day... but that is rather missing the point. Those who are into the CULTURE aren't generally that interested in the driving part, apart from believing they are all better than Fernando Alonso. They are more interested in the blow off valves and the girls in the passenger seat and the million watt sound system, none of which have anything to do with a track. then why are they driving like fuggheads everywhere if they arent really interested in driving?

A discussion we had the other day went something like this, so called 'youths' have a certain competitive rebellious energy which has to be dissapated somehow. Unfortunately in our current society everything interesting/dangerous is or will soon be either illegal or incredibly expensive. Drugs, violence, boy racers, etc, etc, all fit into this universal trait and in Britain there is now almost outright war between council house youths and the so called keepers of the peace. It's easy to say take it to a track when you are thirty something... try again, I am not some 30 or 40 year old bugger whinging about the younguns of today, I do track days, my friends do too. suggesting trackdays for racing, drifting or just fucking around and speedway etc, is a way of giving them a chance to do what they want to do, without being dangerous, endangering peoples lives and being a bloody nuisance.

Personally I respect the law, when it is looking, the rest of the time they are more... Guidelines.
Face it, put the cookies on the top shelf and your kids are gonna find a ladder. There HAS to be danger, and as such people are going to get hurt. yes. all of this is present on a track day too. twenty cars hammering it round the track at redline blah blah blah Either accept, and take note of the LEGAL ways of having fun, or shut the fuck up and stop whinging when you get fined $1000 your car crushed, and your arse nailed to the wall because you behaved like a cock on the road.
..........

[tigertim20]

And in the same 'what is the difference' vein.............

If a motorcyclist, through an act of stupidity kills another motorcyclist is there any difference between that and a Boy Racer losing control of their car while doing a doughnut and killing an innocent bystander?

why even ask such a silly question? if someone is doing something stupid, and kills someone... I mean shit, do i even need to finish this sentence? there are accidents, where something unforseeable occurs, due simply to 'fate' or because a circumstance beyond the control of those involved occurred, and then there are people who kill because they were selfish, stupid, ignorant and dangerous on the road.

[jono035]

..........

I think he was meaning that the driving is just how it manifests itself and that it is actually more about doing the modern equivalent of showing off your courage and hunting prowess by taking out a saber tooth tiger with a flint-ended spear.

Basically doing something dangerous and rebellious to get the adrenaline flowing and show the other people around that you have courage and strength.

You may say that track days are dangerous, but it is a different kind of danger and one that isn't as palpable. Not to mention there isn't much rebellion either. The lack of that combination is what makes it less appealing than being an idiot out on the street.

[Dare]

My oh my aren't we getting riled up! :bleh:

In the interests of keeping this civil and my points somewhat constructive...


Quote:
the point I was making is that there are ways of doing what you want without breaking the law and being a dangerous cunt to the rest of the community.

Yes, there are ways to do what you want without breaking the law, read my post as to why breaking the law is part of the culture. I don't condone it I am simply informing, so if you want to do something about it please suggest a method of making the legal way more attractive to the boy racer... Seeing as that is kind of the only way your going to be doing anything other than whinging about these 'dangerous cunts'

also, maybe you shouldn't be driving round in ANYTHING, until you can prove you drive round a simple oval track at speed on dirt, without losing control. I think many of these idiots would be too scared to drive on a real race track, cos all their mates would see the skills they DONT have...

Maybe so, maybe there should be stricter laws concerning which weetbix packets come with licenses in them but that has been discussed elsewhere...

It doesnt have to have anything to do with skill. just go have FUN, film it, put it on youtube, brag to ya mates that you were fastest that day...

What? With the skills you don't have? RE: Above.

then why are they driving like fuggheads everywhere if they arent really interested in driving?

Uhm, if they were interesting in driving they wouldnt drive like 'fuggheads' would they? I'm interested in driving and I make a point of being a better driver than the majority of people I share the road with ;)

More to the point they aren't interested in driving, they are interested in what will impress their mates

try again, I am not some 30 or 40 year old bugger whinging about the younguns of today, I do track days, my friends do too. suggesting trackdays for racing, drifting or just fucking around and speedway etc, is a way of giving them a chance to do what they want to do, without being dangerous, endangering peoples lives and being a bloody nuisance.

That's totally fine, now tell me why boy racers don't do just that? Are they just ignorant of track days?

yes. all of this is present on a track day too. twenty cars hammering it round the track at redline blah blah blah Either accept, and take note of the LEGAL ways of having fun, or shut the fuck up and stop whinging when you get fined $1000 your car crushed, and your arse nailed to the wall because you behaved like a cock on the road.

Are you talking to me or just in general? Because I don't recall whinging, or behaving like a cock on the road ;)

[Dare]

I think he was meaning that the driving is just how it manifests itself and that it is actually more about doing the modern equivalent of showing off your courage and hunting prowess by taking out a saber tooth tiger with a flint-ended spear.

Basically doing something dangerous and rebellious to get the adrenaline flowing and show the other people around that you have courage and strength.

You may say that track days are dangerous, but it is a different kind of danger and one that isn't as palpable. Not to mention there isn't much rebellion either. The lack of that combination is what makes it less appealing than being an idiot out on the street.

Thankyou, that is exactly the point I was making. Rep sent XD

Humans, especially males, have a competitive drive that we cannot deny. It manifests itself as risk taking to show we are better than the next guy. Like it or not, it's something we have to deal with & not ignore.

[jono035]

Thankyou, that is exactly the point I was making. Rep sent XD

Humans, especially males, have a competitive drive that we cannot deny. It manifests itself as risk taking to show we are better than the next guy. Like it or not, it's something we have to deal with & not ignore.

Yeah, for all that we have built these magical glass castles around ourselves and think of ourselves as so civilised, a lot can be learned from taking a good long look at the behaviour of some of the 'animals' that we forget are our close relations.

This instinct evolved a long long time ago and I seriously doubt that any amount of legislation will wash it away. In the meantime any attempt to modify this behaviour needs to be coupled with a careful understanding of how it will be applied in other ways once you stop the behaviour you are targeting.

[tigertim20]

No, not wound up, don't confuse my rather coarse syntax as an interpretation of the mood, 'tis just how I speak!

to quote you...
Yes, there are ways to do what you want without breaking the law, read my post as to why breaking the law is part of the culture. I don't condone it I am simply informing, so if you want to do something about it please suggest a method of making the legal way more attractive to the boy racer... Seeing as that is kind of the only way your going to be doing anything other than whinging about these 'dangerous cunts'
my bad, I was getting the impression you were supporting and condoning those idiotic behaviours, I have suggested many ways in the past of making these things more attractive, but alas, the people that I would like to listen, don't want to!

maybe there should be stricter laws concerning which weetbix packets come with licenses in them but that has been discussed elsewhere...
agreed!

It doesnt have to have anything to do with skill. just go have FUN, film it, put it on youtube, brag to ya mates that you were fastest that day...

What? With the skills you don't have? RE: Above.
- read that part again "it DOESNT have to have ANYTHING to do with skill, just go have FUN


Uhm, if they were interesting in driving they wouldnt drive like 'fuggheads' would they? I'm interested in driving and I make a point of being a better driver than the majority of people I share the road with
I work with alot of youth down here, and I have found, by the assertion of the very idiots causing the trouble, that generally it IS about the driving to these idiots. They want 2 things, to have the most powerful, blinged, tricked out car, and they wanna show their mates that they can 'handle' the thing. hence why they go drifting and dragging etc.

More to the point they aren't interested in driving, they are interested in what will impress their mates
Yep, and they try to impress their mates by displaying what they view as 'a controlled demonstration of their skill and driving prowess'

That's totally fine, now tell me why boy racers don't do just that? Are they just ignorant of track days?
in some cases, yes. Many of them (ones I have worked with especially) had no idea that they can simply pay a small token amount to thrash their own cars around an international raceway like teretonga or levels all day, and frankly, many of them are excited at the thought of taking to the track, and showing of videos and lap time to their mates. perhaps if they were aware of the opportunity they would utilize it. I know of several cities where BR's have lobbied to get their own burnout pad etc, but havent been aware of 'trackdays'

Are you talking to me or just in general? Because I don't recall whinging, or behaving like a cock on the road
I am not speaking to any single person in particular, I dont know you,so it would be unfair of me to assume what kind of person you are or what kind of attitude you have. I am talking to the idiots who think they are a law unto themselves, participate in illegal activities involving their cars, then piss and moan that they got fined for having cutties, and uncerted mods, and lost their liscence cos they were caught drifting and being a general fucking nuisance

[Katman]

Anyway, back on topic.........

So what about those Fuckwits on Motorcycles?

[Ixion]

I think many of these idiots would be too scared to drive on a real race track, cos all their mates would see the skills they DONT have...

It doesnt have to have anything to do with skill. just go have FUN, film it, put it on youtube, brag to ya mates that you were fastest that day...

then why are they driving like fuggheads everywhere if they arent really interested in driving?

.. try again, I am not some 30 or 40 year old bugger whinging about the younguns of today, I do track days, my friends do too. suggesting trackdays for racing, drifting or just fucking around and speedway etc, is a way of giving them a chance to do what they want to do, without being dangerous, endangering peoples lives and being a bloody nuisance.

yes. all of this is present on a track day too. twenty cars hammering it round the track at redline blah blah blah


But, once again, many of the people we are discussing are not very interested in being "fastest" , or showing of "skillz". Trackdays simply *isn't* what they want to do.

The term boyracer is very misleading. It should really be called boycriuser. Many of them ahve a far greater affinity with the crusier bikers than the sprotsbikers.

It's not about going fast . Or, only a bit of it is about being fast. Perhaps have the *potential* to go fast, but competative speed driving isn't really part of the phat car scene.

Not everybody equates fast driving with good driving.



A discussion we had the other day went something like this, so called 'youths' have a certain competitive rebellious energy which has to be dissapated somehow. Unfortunately in our current society everything interesting/dangerous is or will soon be either illegal or incredibly expensive.


Very true. For about a million years we've bred young men to be aggressive and rebellious. Because those qualities had survival value for the species. Mark, NOT for the young men, most of them died. But, the ones who survived were the ones who got to breed.

Now, we don't have a use for that rebellious aggressive energy. We must either arrange a war and send them out to die in the good old fashioned way, or accept that they will find outlets for those drives one way or another.

And providing socially approved neutered , safe activities for them is NOT an answer. They wouldn't be interested. Even *I* wouldn't be interested, and I'm certainly not young.

So long as they're not doing any real harm to anyone other than themselves, what's the problem?

[Katman]

So long as they're not doing any real harm to anyone other than themselves, what's the problem?

How many times has irresponsible behaviour in or on motor vehicles done real harm to other people?

Your blase attitude does no-one any favours - least of all yourself.

[AllanB]

I was in Rangiora on wed night, there was a guy doing a burn out up his own drive with the gate shut, the police arrived at the address and entered the property. I did not see the result of the police visit,but there was tyre smoke.
This was opp the New World car park, so was in full view of wed night shoppers

I understand that from next month you'll get demerit points for skids in your undies.

[Ixion]

How many times has irresponsible behaviour in or on motor vehicles done real harm to other people?

Your blase attitude does no-one any favours - least of all yourself.

I done lots of irresponsible behaviour on bikes. Never done anyone any harm though.

They don't bother me, I don't bother them. Sort of my rule in life. Except for rats, wetas and politicians. They're vermin and need to be exterminated.

[Katman]

I done lots of irresponsible behaviour on bikes. Never done anyone any harm though.



That's great.

Should we just ignore the irresponsible behaviour that has caused others harm?

[mattian]

Anyway, back on topic.........

So what about those Fuckwits on Motorcycles?

What about them?? they will always be around.... just like fuckwits in cars, just like fuckwits you may meet randomly walking down the street on a saturday night, or in the queue at your local New World supermarket.
I know that during my daily life I will always come into contact with at least one fuckwit. I try not to let 1 fuckwit ruin my day, when 90% of people I meet on a day to day basis are good and decent people. Just like 90% of people I encounter on the road are good and decent citizens. I am not going to let Mr Fuckwit ruin my day or my enjoyment of riding a bike.

[AllanB]

Anyway, back on topic.........

So what about those Fuckwits on Motorcycles?

Depends.

The sun came out in Christchurch today (after it has been away for 3 weeks or more) so I went for a ride to Little River for a coffee and a piece of ginger slice. All very nice and I had a sociable chat with a few riders doing the same.

I was cruising 110-115 ish and I passed a few cars who were farting along at 85-90. That means I whizzed past at a good 30 kph faster than them - most likely waking them from their slumber, or at the very least giving them a bit of a shock as they appeared unaware of me being anywhere near them.

There is a possibility I was referred to as a 'fuckwit motorcyclist' by at least one of the drivers.

Personally I think of myself as a responsible one - (ignoring the obvious speed above the legal limit :rolleyes:) I only pass when it's clear and safe, and try my best to act with consideration to other road users.

[Ixion]

That's great.

Should we just ignore the irresponsible behaviour that has caused others harm?

Nope. I said before. If they (boy racers or bikers) fuck others about (keeping people awake, diesel on road, noisy exhausts , whatever), kick them up the arse hard as.

If they're (whoever 'they' may be) aren't fucking other folk around, then I reckon what they do is none of my business (or yours) .

Do whatever you want, but be ready to be held accountable for it. or, another way, 'An it harm none, do what thou wilt'.

[Katman]

What about them?? they will always be around.... just like fuckwits in cars, just like fuckwits you may meet randomly walking down the street on a saturday night, or in the queue at your local New World supermarket.


So if the government introduce draconian laws to combat fuckwits in cars (that, in turn, impact severely on Car Enthusiasts), you're happy for them to do the same to combat Fuckwits on Motorcycles (even if, in turn, it severely impacts on all motorcyclists)?

[mattian]

So if the government introduce draconian laws to combat fuckwits in cars (that, in turn, impact severely on Car Enthusiasts), you're happy for them to do the same to combat Fuckwits on Motorcycles (even if, in turn, it severely impacts on all motorcyclists)?

The government have already introduced "draconian" laws that we all have to abide by...... and, it doesnt severely impact my enthusiasm for motorcycles. for example..... its illegal to wheelie my motorcycle whenever the hell I want on the road or, patch it up whenever the light goes green. Thats not going to stop me enjoying my ride. I choose to obey the law when I ride..... and, I choose to enjoy my life while going about my daily business.

[jono035]

So if the government introduce draconian laws to combat fuckwits in cars (that, in turn, impact severely on Car Enthusiasts), you're happy for them to do the same to combat Fuckwits on Motorcycles (even if, in turn, it severely impacts on all motorcyclists)?

I'm not particularly happy with either option, and you've just presented what is called a False Dichotomy (http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/False_dichotomy).

[Katman]

The government have already introduced "draconian" laws that we all have to abide by...... and, it doesnt severely impact my enthusiasm for motorcycles. for example..... its illegal to wheelie my motorcycle whenever the hell I want on the road or, patch it up whenever the light goes green. Thats not going to stop me enjoying my ride. I choose to obey the law when I ride..... and, I choose to enjoy my life while going about my daily business.

Do you really think that the government have reached the point yet where they think "Ah well, we've done everything we can. At least we tried"?

[Katman]

I'm not particularly happy with either option, and you've just presented what is called a False Dichotomy (http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/False_dichotomy).

So do you really think that the government is capable of thinking in any manner other than 'Black or White'?

[mattian]

Do you really think that the government have reached the point yet where they think "Ah well, we've done everything we can. At least we tried"?

No, there will always be assholes who ruin it for the rest of us..... who take stupidity to a new level of obnoxiousness on the roads, they have always been around and always will be.
I am not going to let that small percentage of idiots ruin my life or, my enjoyment of it. I can live without doing wheelies on my bike or donuts in my car. choose life.

[jono035]

So do you really think that the government is capable of thinking in any manner other than 'Black or White'?

I sure don't, but that wasn't the question you just asked before :)

[oldrider]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

Poy racers belong to "them" and motorcycle fuckwits belong to "us". :devil2:

Even the public can see that "them" boy racer's use cages with four wheels. :weird:

Whereas "our" fuckwits ride bikes with two wheels, although some hold one up off the road to save on tyre wear. :first: (sort of like fox terrier dogs carrying one leg)

Foxies and fuckwits are highly tuned skilfull animals but both seem to be full of piss and need to relieve themselves often. :rolleyes:

"Them" boy racers should be exterminated, they are really bad people and dangerous too! :nono: Zere should be laws to crush zem! :headbang:

[Katman]

I am not going to let that small percentage of idiots ruin my life or, my enjoyment of it.

What if that small percentage induce those that have the power to do so, to ruin our enjoyment of Motorcycling?

[mnkyboy]

Heven forbid - if you did skids on your own lawn - and a cop drove by I bet they would stop...

As I found out they do - stopped and watched me do a burnout in my driveway. Asked me what the hell i was doing - told them I was having fun before replacing a tyre. Wanted to give me a ticket for something but realised they couldn't

[mattian]

What if that small percentage induce those that have the power to do so, to ruin our enjoyment of Motorcycling?

"Enjoyment" is a subjective term. What do you find enjoyable? The government make many many laws that I abide by everday without ever noticing how that has dimished my "enjoyment" of life.
I obey the rules everytime I go out on the road, it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of riding.

[jono035]

As I found out they do - stopped and watched me do a burnout in my driveway. Asked me what the hell i was doing - told them I was having fun before replacing a tyre. Wanted to give me a ticket for something but realised they couldn't

Air/Noise pollution perhaps? :rolleyes:

[jono035]

"Enjoyment" is a subjective term. What do you find enjoyable? The government make many many laws that I abide by everday without ever noticing how that has dimished my "enjoyment" of life.
I obey the rules everytime I go out on the road, it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of riding.

When you have grown up with something that has 'always been like that' it is very different from waking up one morning to find out that something you used to do and enjoy has just been marginalised that much further.

Then again I'm just bitter because of the harebrained push to change the E category firearms classification at the moment.

[Ixion]

So if the government introduce draconian laws to combat fuckwits in cars (that, in turn, impact severely on Car Enthusiasts), you're happy for them to do the same to combat Fuckwits on Motorcycles (even if, in turn, it severely impacts on all motorcyclists)?

You missed the bit about politicians


They don't bother me, I don't bother them. Sort of my rule in life. Except for rats, wetas and politicians. They're vermin and need to be exterminated.


I left ginga coppers out. Them too.

Rather fight the vermin than folk that aren't bothering me

[Ixion]

As I found out they do - stopped and watched me do a burnout in my driveway. Asked me what the hell i was doing - told them I was having fun before replacing a tyre. Wanted to give me a ticket for something but realised they couldn't


That cop required a years therapy after that. Ruined his day it did.

Like when y' get stopped. "Just a routine check ". Check alcohol, licence , rego, WoF. "[thinks] Shit, everything's in order - WTF can I give him a ticket for - oh bugger [aloud, over the sound of grinding teeth] Thank you, carry on "

y' just *know* how totally pissed off he is . Ride off with big smile on face. Free world 1, cops 0.

[wbks]

You missed the bit about politicians



I left ginga's out. Them too.

Rather fight the vermin than folk that aren't bothering meFixed:niceone:

[Katman]

The government make many many laws that I abide by everday without ever noticing how that has dimished my "enjoyment" of life.


How about the possibility of............

Your yearly registration will now be $1000.

or........

As of this date no motorcycle over 500cc will be imported into the country.

[jono035]

That cop required a years therapy after that. Ruined his day it did.

Like when y' get stopped. "Just a routine check ". Check alcohol, licence , rego, WoF. "[thinks] Shit, everything's in order - WTF can I give him a ticket for - oh bugger [aloud, over the sound of grinding teeth] Thank you, carry on "

y' just *know* how totally pissed off he is . Ride off with big smile on face. Free world 1, cops 0.

Unless recently changed then I don't believe they can breath test you without being given reason to believe that you have been drinking.

[jono035]

How about the possibility of............

Your yearly registration will now be $1000.

or........

As of this date no motorcycle over 500cc will be imported into the country.

Hey wait a minute... You sound like the guy who is coming up with some of the proposed firearms legislation... :Oi:

[Flip]

Is there really a problem.... They are easy to identify...... They pay a hell of a lot of tax so I don't have to (thanks guys)...... Ok driving around at night is a bit of a pain..... They mostly kill themselves, no problem here, applied eugenics..... It keeps them off bikes, which was somthing their fathers did....

Its just fashionable at the moment to be a boy racer, just as it was fashionable for my generation to have a motorbike.

[Katman]

Hey wait a minute... You sound like the guy who is coming up with some of the proposed firearms legislation... :Oi:

And if someone as dense as me can come up with them imagine what the politicians are capable of.

[jono035]

And if someone as dense as me can come up with them imagine what the politicians are capable of.

True, they get more practice too!

[Maha]

True, they get more practice too!

Probably earn more than Steveman too.....:niceone:

[Ixion]

There y'go. Something we all agree on. The enemy is not boy racers or fuckwit bikers. It's politicians.

Now, you wants to step forward to head up a cadre?

[Katman]

Is there really a problem.... They are easy to identify...... They pay a hell of a lot of tax so I don't have to (thanks guys)...... Ok driving around at night is a bit of a pain..... They mostly kill themselves, no problem here, applied eugenics..... It keeps them off bikes, which was somthing their fathers did....

Its just fashionable at the moment to be a boy racer, just as it was fashionable for my generation to have a motorbike.

Wake up man. This thread actually isn't about Boy Racers.

[Katman]

Now, you wants to step forward to head up a cadre?

My forehead's bleeding enough already.

:brick:

[Flip]

Wake up man. This thread actually isn't about Boy Racers.

You lost me here?

[oldrider]

You lost me here?

It's about the comparison of "motorcycle fuckwits" to the public image of "boy racers"!

Katman is asking, "what is the difference" and if any, how would the public know?

Katman is passionate about the image that motorcyclists portray to the general public and how the end result affects motorcyclists in general!

In other words, "We reap what we sow" and only "we", the motorcyclists, can control that by our public behaviour!

I admire Katman's persistence and resolve. (excellent qualities in any man)

I fear the task is so big, that to some, he (Katman) appears to be tilting at windmills and those who might hear him, may stop listening!

That would be a shame, because the general public and officiator's of all descriptions view us (motorcyclists) as an unnecessary evil nuisance!

Similar to the current public attitude to the "boy racer brigade". (Katman's question, what's the difference?)

Have any of you ever wondered why other motorists fail so often to see us?

It is because in their subconscious minds, we do not belong, so they mentally dismiss us from their reality and run us over!

Sorry officer, I simply did not see him, is, in their minds, a justifiable excuse and they expect to be supported in that, by the officer and the general public!

Katman believes we can change that attitude by our behaviour!

I agree with him, the question is, DO YOU?

If you do, Katman is asking you to do something about it! :niceone:

Good luck Katman. : :first:

[Katman]

Well at least someone's been listening.

:niceone:

[Pussy]

It's about the comparison of "motorcycle fuckwits" to the public image of "boy racers"!

Katman is asking, "what is the difference" and if any, how would the public know?

Katman is passionate about the image that motorcyclists portray to the general public and how the end result affects motorcyclists in general!

In other words, "We reap what we sow" and only "we", the motorcyclists, can control that by our public behaviour!

I admire Katman's persistence and resolve. (excellent qualities in any man)

I fear the task is so big, that to some, he (Katman) appears to be tilting at windmills and those who might hear him, may stop listening!

That would be a shame, because the general public and officiator's of all descriptions view us (motorcyclists) as an unnecessary evil nuisance!

Similar to the current public attitude to the "boy racer brigade". (Katman's question, what's the difference?)

Have any of you ever wondered why other motorists fail so often to see us?

It is because in their subconscious minds, we do not belong, so they mentally dismiss us from their reality and run us over!

Sorry officer, I simply did not see him, is, in their minds, a justifiable excuse and they expect to be supported in that, by the officer and the general public!

Katman believes we can change that attitude by our behaviour!

I agree with him, the question is, DO YOU?

If you do, Katman is asking you to do something about it! :niceone:

Good luck Katman. : :first:

Couldn't have said it better myself!
Good one, oldrider!

[Dare]

That cop required a years therapy after that. Ruined his day it did.

Like when y' get stopped. "Just a routine check ". Check alcohol, licence , rego, WoF. "[thinks] Shit, everything's in order - WTF can I give him a ticket for - oh bugger [aloud, over the sound of grinding teeth] Thank you, carry on "

y' just *know* how totally pissed off he is . Ride off with big smile on face. Free world 1, cops 0.
Had a conversation with a trainee cop mate of a mate recently. What people need to understand is they are us, if you give us shit we will start a fight, if you give them shit they will know a rule to arrest you. It's that simple. By being polite you are actually giving them less job satisfaction than if you swore at them. Incidentally the guy openly admitted to provoking a reaction so he could arrest various people, not a traffic cop but still... Interesting.


Unless recently changed then I don't believe they can breath test you without being given reason to believe that you have been drinking.
'It's night time' seems to work just fine...


Sorry officer, I simply did not see him, is, in their minds, a justifiable excuse and they expect to be supported in that, by the officer and the general public!
In my mind Rav 4's don't belong but you don't see me ramming them at intersections, maybe I need a better excuse than 'I didn't see 3 tons of badly designed metal' :D Those things feel safe because you can't see out.

The public image of boy racers/fuckwit motorbikers is mostly media (and now on close up, some boy racer that died) but personal experience is strong if it is there, followed by 'a mate said' followed by 'a guy in a pub said'. Unfortunately we are a bit of a bugbear to those who believe in columns of numbers on a page, and so I think the best way to fix peoples impression of us is to publicly crow when our crash statistics go down (which we should all work on, being grouped in with scooters and dirt bikes doesnt help street bikers cause though)... No but seriously don't do wheelies infront of old people, they get scared and write down your license plate.

:headbang:

[AD345]

It's about the comparison of "motorcycle fuckwits" to the public image of "boy racers"!

Katman is asking, "what is the difference" and if any, how would the public know?

Katman is passionate about the image that motorcyclists portray to the general public and how the end result affects motorcyclists in general!

In other words, "We reap what we sow" and only "we", the motorcyclists, can control that by our public behaviour!

I admire Katman's persistence and resolve. (excellent qualities in any man)

I fear the task is so big, that to some, he (Katman) appears to be tilting at windmills and those who might hear him, may stop listening!

That would be a shame, because the general public and officiator's of all descriptions view us (motorcyclists) as an unnecessary evil nuisance!

Similar to the current public attitude to the "boy racer brigade". (Katman's question, what's the difference?)

Have any of you ever wondered why other motorists fail so often to see us?

It is because in their subconscious minds, we do not belong, so they mentally dismiss us from their reality and run us over!

Sorry officer, I simply did not see him, is, in their minds, a justifiable excuse and they expect to be supported in that, by the officer and the general public!

Katman believes we can change that attitude by our behaviour!

I agree with him, the question is, DO YOU?

If you do, Katman is asking you to do something about it! :niceone:

Good luck Katman. : :first:

What a load of twaddle, supposition and fearmongering. The silliest part about all this is that Katman (and possibly yourself) have become what you fear.

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

[jono035]

'It's night time' seems to work just fine...

I was pulled over at 11am and hadn't drank a drop of alcohol in over a week. I just got a little annoyed really because he just shoved the tester in my face and said 'say your name and address' which would seem a little bit forward for something that amounts to a voluntary search.

[jono035]

What a load of twaddle, supposition and fearmongering. The silliest part about all this is that Katman (and possibly yourself) have become what you fear.

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

Hmmm, I thought the point made by both Katman and Oldtimer was quite important... People who are not motorcyclists are the ones who make the decisions on what we should be allowed to ride, how we should be allowed to ride and what we should be charged to do so. Surely it is an important distinction that, in the same vein as cagers, it is a small percentage among us that behave in a reckless and dangerous manner and that we law-abiding (relatively, perhaps) bikers should not be tarred with the same brush...

Edit: A Jehovah's Witness on a motorcycle might actually have more luck! I'd have a chat to him no worries, probably not about anything religious though...

[jrandom]

Edit: A Jehovah's Witness on a motorcycle might actually have more luck!

Edbear and his C50 Boulevard seem to do OK. I don't think he preaches from the saddle, though...


Have any of you ever wondered why other motorists fail so often to see us?

It is because in their subconscious minds, we do not belong, so they mentally dismiss us from their reality and run us over!

I dunno. Based my own purely anecdotal evidence, I think most motorcyclists who get taken out are far more responsible for 'not being seen' than they'd like to admit.

It's funny how it tends to be newer, less experienced, riders who are more invisible to car drivers.

In my experience, car drivers, on the whole, try to be courteous and responsible. They're just really shit at maintaining situational awareness and understanding the physics of controlling a vehicle.

If you ride on the road in a way that requires more from them than they have to give, you will come a cropper.

[Swoop]

Strangely enough, the difference between "hoons" on bikes and "hoons" in cages is quite evident in my neighbourhood.
Almost every night there is the sound of 4-wheeled motorists turning rubber into smoke. Varying sounds of baked-bean-can-equipped exhausts fitted to speeding vehicles, is a regular event.
Biker problems? Zero. Zilch. None.

the fuckwits on motorcycles ride kawasakis or hondas. :dodge: Usally on one wheel.
We all know that Hondas cannot wheelie...:first:

Hey wait a minute... You sound like the guy who is coming up with some of the proposed firearms legislation... :Oi:
Yes. A lot of familiar "logic" being shown here...

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling
Nice. I like it. Nagging fuckwits on a crusade to brainwash others. There must be money at stake. All crusades require money.

It's funny how it tends to be newer, less experienced, riders who are more invisible to car drivers.
Quite true. Not percieved as "a threat" to the driver. A happy yellow jacket assists this immesurably.

[oldrider]

What a load of twaddle, supposition and fearmongering. The silliest part about all this is that Katman (and possibly yourself) have become what you fear.

The jehovah witnesses of motorcycling

So many men, so many opinions, you are welcome to your's.

Here the pilots adage springs to mind: There old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are not so many old bold pilots! :rolleyes: Cheers, Jehovah John.

[Katman]

So many men, so many opinions, you are welcome to your's.

Here the pilots adage springs to mind: There old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are not so many old bold pilots! :rolleyes: Cheers, Jehovah John.

Amen, Brother John.

:innocent:

[Hitcher]

Hmmm, I thought the point made by both Katman and Oldtimer was quite important... People who are not motorcyclists are the ones who make the decisions on what we should be allowed to ride, how we should be allowed to ride and what we should be charged to do so. Surely it is an important distinction that, in the same vein as cagers, it is a small percentage among us that behave in a reckless and dangerous manner and that we law-abiding (relatively, perhaps) bikers should not be tarred with the same brush...
It's too late. We've already been tarred. Just look at the cost of your next motorcycle registration if you have any doubt about that.

[boomer]

between Boy Racers and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

There are Car Enthusiasts and there are Boy Racers........

........just as there are Motorcyclists and Fuckwits on Motorcycles.

How is the public supposed to tell the difference?

Same way we tell the difference between old grumpy farts and kill joys..

[jono035]

It's too late. We've already been tarred. Just look at the cost of your next motorcycle registration if you have any doubt about that.

Mines due in a week. Just about fell over when I looked at the numbers...

[Pussy]

Amen, Brother John.

:innocent:
I thought if you crossed katman with a Jehovah's witness, you'd get someone who knocks on your door and tells YOU to fuck off!.... :D

[Hitcher]

Same way we tell the difference between old grumpy farts and kill joys..

There's a difference?

[jono035]

There's a difference?

Plenty of killjoys around who aren't old... Most are grumpy though...

[Spyke]

How about the possibility of..........
As of this date no motorcycle over 500cc will be imported into the country.

two stroke 500cc roadbikes
:niceone: