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FROSTY

12th July 2009, 15:07

ya gotta wonder if its the same guys doncha?
recieved today about one of our bikes for sale.
Email: james100135@yahoo.com
Message:
Hello Seller,
My Name is Williams James. I 'm a citizen of United Kingdom ,but I have all my business with my family in United State of America . I have the intention of purchasing your advert for sale. I 'll pay you with a cheque,and wait for the clearance before the pick up arrangement. Concerning the shipping arrangement,my shipping company will come for the pick up once the transaction has been sealed. If this is okay with you,do get back to me with your LAST PRICE so that I can forward the payment to you. Regard.

spacemonkey

12th July 2009, 15:12

Mmmmm Spam.... It so tasty!

Pretty lame as far as internet scam's go these days. :rolleyes:

steve_t

12th July 2009, 15:28

Ooohh... a cheque this time.... not the usual Paypal scam... hopefully Paypal has clamped down on the previous scams.

The cheque is being held up by customs. Please send $1000 and I'll get your cheque released :msn-wink:

NighthawkNZ

12th July 2009, 15:38

Hiflyer

12th July 2009, 15:42

So did you do it?

Disco Dan

12th July 2009, 16:06

Money, spam? Heck all I seem to get are russian lady boys... They must know my weakness... :doctor:

"Hey my dear! How are you today? My Hope are you all good? I really miss you. and I am very worried about you. My hope is you still remember me? I shall be very glad if you answer me. and also send your photo. I was looking for a very long time your email, when I have a problem with my mailbox. and I had to create another mailbox. My hope is you remember me yet? and I will work to restore the data from the old mailbox. and now I am writing to you a letter with the hope that you still remember me. I send you my photo. I am looking for my soulmate of my heart and soul. Who would be the foundation for me in a difficult moment. Who would have always supported me morally. and did not fall into the abyss of the cold and loneliness. And I am so happy that I was able to find your email. and now I am writing you with great hope for the answer ... I am already tired of this world of loneliness. I am tired of coming home and cooking for one person. and then sit and eat one. Go into the cold bed and fall asleep with tears in her eyes, without embracing a beloved person .... I want a simple woman happiness. To love and be loved. I want to come home earlier than my beloved man, and meet him at the door. and give him a kiss. To prepare him a delicious meal. because it is cooked with love ... spilled in the embrace of a beloved man. That's all I want in my life. And all the things that I really do not have enough in my simple life. I want to find my soulmate, who will appreciate not only my body. but I will respect the beauty of my inner world, my soul. I want to find someone with a good and kind heart. I just want to be happy in this life with my favorite person. I do not need anything else. I respect in a man - is honesty, kindness, love for children. I appreciate these qualities in a person. my hope is that you will be man??? I await your speedy response. Best wishes to you and a good day. Naty."

CookMySock

12th July 2009, 17:48

They will pay you with someone elses' bank account that they have a usename and password for. The transaction WILL be reversed.

This is what viruses are FOR. They sit on your PC and wait until you do your internet banking and they sniff your username and password keystrokes and report them back to daddy in brasil. I have been in a chatroom with thousands of compromised Linux Servers all talking away merrily as they automatically scanned for, and hacked new networks, and with keyloggers scrolling dozens of lines of credit card numbers per second. It was a sickening sight watching thousands of peoples lives scroll past my eyes.

NEVER be tempted to get involved. If you go and create a new bank account for the purpose of one dodgy transaction, there is a large chance that you could get convicted of fraud, for deliberately involving yourself in what you know to be a money laundering scheme.

Steve

Mikkel

12th July 2009, 18:09

No wonder why english teachers can make a lot of money in certain places. :rofl:

MarkH

12th July 2009, 19:16

Cheque arrives and you bank it . . . cheque clears . . . bike gets picked up and taken away . . . it turns out that international cheques don't quite clear as much as your bank makes out, transaction gets reversed and there is nothing you can do about it.

It seems to me that Frosty's bullshit sniffer is on the money here, which will save him from being out of the money!

Swoop

12th July 2009, 19:27

First name as "Williams"??

Pussy

12th July 2009, 19:30

First name as "Williams"??
He's an identical twin..... shares the name with his brother

CookMySock

12th July 2009, 19:59

Cheque arrives and you bank it . . . cheque clears . . . bike gets picked up and taken away . . . it turns out that international cheques don't quite clear as much as your bank makes out, transaction gets reversed and there is nothing you can do about it.It isn't so much about the time.. It's that the chequebook will be stolen or similar.

The danger arrives when some kiwi gets clever, and tries to open a bank account to cheat the system. This is fraud.

Steve

MarkH

12th July 2009, 20:40

It isn't so much about the time.. It's that the chequebook will be stolen or similar.

Yes it could be, but the problem is that unlike a New Zealand cheque, when an international cheque appears to have cleared it can still be reversed right the fuck out of your bank account. Why do you think the buyer is offering to let the cheque clear before he has the bike picked up? This is not the first time I have heard of a similar scam.

Laava

12th July 2009, 21:42

surely it wouldn't hurt to have some fun with this person? Get some response and make him/her work for their money?

megageoff76

12th July 2009, 21:51

Yeah, play their game for a bit of fun.

This website has some hilarous examples of replies to email scammers to get you started.

http://www.whatsthebloodypoint.com/

CookMySock

13th July 2009, 08:16

Yes, it is fun. Just never give out any particulars.

http://www.419eater.com/

Steve

Jantar

13th July 2009, 10:23

A very common method with the cheque scam is that the cheque will be for considerably more than the value of the bike, and you will be asked to use the funds towards the purchase of the bike, and to pay the freight on the bike out of the cheque. Only after it has cleared of course.

Then once the bike has gone and all bills settled, any remaining funds please return via Western Union.

One month after you thought the cheque had cleared, it is reversed. You have sent your bike, and paid the freight, and given some cash as well.

Accept the deal, bank the cheque into an account different from your main account, and tell them you haven't yet received the cheque. You should be able to string them along for some weeks before they realize that they are being played.

Never give out any genuine bank details, or any personal information like home address phone number etc.

Have fun.

slofox

13th July 2009, 13:52

I had a similar approach here - some "American living in Japan" whose English language skills suggested he had been away from the USA for a looooonnng time indeed, wanted to purchase about $12,000.00 worth of Central Otago Pinot Noir...yeah right. I played him along for a bit, just emailing back and forth to see what would happen - at the same time involving the local police and the security team at my ISP...his angle was to get me to cover the freight charges in advance...fukkin likely cuzzie!
I eventually got bored and told him to fook oof. Which he did.

CookMySock

13th July 2009, 17:52

Accept the deal, bank the cheque into an account different from your main account, and tell them you haven't yet received the cheque.DON'T. This is fraud. It doesn't matter that they are breaking the law - this does not excuse you.

You are knowingly taking part in an global crime syndicate. Do it and face the consequences.

Steve

JimO

13th July 2009, 18:51

DON'T. This is fraud. It doesn't matter that they are breaking the law - this does not excuse you.

You are knowingly taking part in an global crime syndicate. Do it and face the consequences.

Steve

how is banking a cheque that you recieved as payment fraud, how are you to know that the cheque sender is a conman.

marty

13th July 2009, 19:10

Jiminy

13th July 2009, 19:32

I have the intention of purchasing your advert for sale.

Easy: sell the advert and keep the bike, then repeat!

pzkpfw

13th July 2009, 19:41

(
Today I got an actual letter, hand-written envelope and a 50-something cent stamp and all, wanting me to put my name on a list and send $10 to someone. Now that's old school scammery.
)

Sparrowhawk

13th July 2009, 19:56

Jantar is right. I had to deal with this a few times when I worked for a bank.

International cheques are cleared by the bank usually within 7-14 days, however there is recourse over it for 3 months (from memory), it's a long time anyway.

The cheque itself, after being received by your bank, is POSTED overseas to the originating bank, who then decide to honour or dishonour it, then POST it back to your bank. By which stage 2 or 3 weeks, at least, have past, you've spent the money, sent the goods, wired back the remainder of the funds, and you're screwed.

spacemonkey

13th July 2009, 20:04

What specific offence is being committed?

Probably the theft of money from some poor suckers bank account I'd guess..........

marty

14th July 2009, 10:49

DB is adamant it is fraud, not theft. I was just interested in which fraud offence it is

spacemonkey

14th July 2009, 17:39

Fraud, theft.

.... *Meh* At the end of the day its the same thing I feel in this instance.