Trademe Know-alls

[topher]

What is it with these know-all pricks who "ask questions" with no intention of buying anything? Who cares whether the brake lever is from another year or the snatch licker is not standard. Fuck off and start a blog here where you'll really find out how much you know; let actual buyers and real sellers talk about what matters to them. Morons. It's too late for you to get a life, just jump off somewhere high onto something hard.

[YellowDog]

I find it amazing how the question askers rarely seem to be the actual bidders.

[tri boy]

You can get new snatch lickers?:shit:
Mine is damn near worn out.

[skidMark]

i make comments along these lines for the simple fact some people make slimeball sneaky listings that can catch a newbie out...

like the "1990 zxr 250" for 6 grand with brand new paintjob...

he neglected to mention a giant crash that caused it to need this... and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it...

ie... it had a 1989 swingarm and a 91-93 rear wheel...

theres some dodgy patch ups on trademe and i feel its not right...

[wbks]

i make comments along these lines for the simple fact some people make slimeball sneaky listings that can catch a newbie out...

like the "1990 zxr 250" for 6 grand with brand new paintjob...

he neglected to mention a giant crash that caused it to need this... and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it...

ie... it had a 1989 swingarm and a 91-93 rear wheel...

theres some dodgy patch ups on trademe and i feel its not right...So it's cool to scare away new buyers when for all you know it is a perfectly safe mod which newbies won't recognize?

[Disrespective]

So it's cool to scare away new buyers when for all you know it is a perfectly safe mod which newbies won't recognize?Excuse my ignorance but i think it's more along the lines of 'for all he knows it's a potentially dangerous mod'

[topher]

i make comments along these lines for the simple fact some people make slimeball sneaky listings that can catch a newbie out...

like the "1990 zxr 250" for 6 grand with brand new paintjob...

he neglected to mention a giant crash that caused it to need this... and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it...

ie... it had a 1989 swingarm and a 91-93 rear wheel...

theres some dodgy patch ups on trademe and i feel its not right...

The have-no-lives are more prevalent on classic sales trying to match engine numbers to frame numbers and side covers to conical hubs. On the other hand, a re-painted, re-built bike with a reg and a WOF could be perfectly alright. Do you wear a peaked cap and shiny boots? Want to be a policeman?

[topher]

You can get new snatch lickers?:shit:
Mine is damn near worn out.

Yeah, although recond. can be better value but steer well clear of the retreaded ones.

[wbks]

Excuse my ignorance but i think it's more along the lines of 'for all he knows it's a potentially dangerous mod'I can't imagine how a diferent year wheel and swingarm is dangerous assuming it's from the same model bike and obviously bolts straight in, but when I was a n00b looking for bikes, shit like that would scare me off the bike. I'd be pissed if some knob did that to my auction

[Weaver]

Do you want to trade this thread for my listing?

[Reckless]

...and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it..

Classic!!! Pure KB gold !!!

[topher]

Do you want to trade this thread for my listing?

Only if listing to starboard, a port list indicates previous owners have regantried the flange spreader.

[topher]

... and i feel its not right...

Try writing to you MP. That'll help you feel more important. Then follow up with a letter to the editor of the Herald, saying you wrote to your MP. Then even more people will see that you know an awful lot and must be very clever.

[peasea]

You can get new snatch lickers?:shit:
Mine is damn near worn out.

I bet your missus hates that!

[Harvd]

Do you want to trade this thread for my listing?

Dont get me started on this!

Bro wanna swp 4 ma 1988 'rolla on fully sick rims?

[mynameis]

I can't imagine how a diferent year wheel and swingarm is dangerous assuming it's from the same model bike and obviously bolts straight in, but when I was a n00b looking for bikes, shit like that would scare me off the bike. I'd be pissed if some knob did that to my auction

Because you're still a n00b.

[mynameis]

What is it with these know-all pricks who "ask questions" with no intention of buying anything? Who cares whether the brake lever is from another year or the snatch licker is not standard. Fuck off and start a blog here where you'll really find out how much you know; let actual buyers and real sellers talk about what matters to them. Morons. It's too late for you to get a life, just jump off somewhere high onto something hard.

:hug: :love:

All in the name of your right to know about the product you are buying aye ;)

[tri boy]

I bet your missus hates that!

Not as much as me.:p:niceone:

[skidMark]

The have-no-lives are more prevalent on classic sales trying to match engine numbers to frame numbers and side covers to conical hubs. On the other hand, a re-painted, re-built bike with a reg and a WOF could be perfectly alright. Do you wear a peaked cap and shiny boots? Want to be a policeman?


well when a bike has a gleaming new paintjob... incorrect swingarm and rear wheel... which is no different in size just a different look, it was not a fresh lick of paint to spruce it up as the ad described... it was a cover up for a big accident in which a new buyer should know about...

or else people get ripped off and i know myself how it feels to be scammed bigtime on buying a bike.

sorry for being human and giving a shit...

i see where you are coming from in some ways, but there is being a niggly bastard, and then there is protecting the new owner...

and the guy in the auction im talking about knew i was right because he didnt reply the further questions.

[wbks]

:hug: :love:

All in the name of your right to know about the product you are buying aye ;)Kost people asking the questions have no intent to buy at all, the serious ones ask for a phone number and call you to ask in person


Because you're still a n00b.And so a different year wheel, and swing arm is harmful how?

[wbks]

well when a bike has a gleaming new paintjob... incorrect swingarm and rear wheel... which is no different in size just a different look, it was not a fresh lick of paint to spruce it up as the ad described... it was a cover up for a big accident in which a new buyer should know about...

or else people get ripped off and i know myself how it feels to be scammed bigtime on buying a bike.

sorry for being human and giving a shit...

i see where you are coming from in some ways, but there is being a niggly bastard, and then there is protecting the new owner...

and the guy in the auction im talking about knew i was right because he didnt reply the further questions.Describing it like that... It's likely that they would have fixed anything affected by the crash, but like you're getting at it might be that they're just trying to flick it off. It's pretty obvious stuff like that the buyer should spot, but I guess like you said you might as well ask and if they are genuine then either no harm no foul or it saves someone a lot of trouble. Good on yer...

[mynameis]

Originally Posted by skidMark http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129305994#post1129305994)
...and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it..


Classic!!! Pure KB gold !!!

Marks trained eyes can only spot his own skids in his undies.

[mynameis]

well when a bike has a gleaming new paintjob... incorrect swingarm and rear wheel... which is no different in size just a different look, it was not a fresh lick of paint to spruce it up as the ad described... it was a cover up for a big accident in which a new buyer should know about...

or else people get ripped off and i know myself how it feels to be scammed bigtime on buying a bike.

sorry for being human and giving a shit...

i see where you are coming from in some ways, but there is being a niggly bastard, and then there is protecting the new owner...

and the guy in the auction im talking about knew i was right because he didnt reply the further questions.

Jokes aside I am actually with skid on this one ;)

[mynameis]

Kost people asking the questions have no intent to buy at all, the serious ones ask for a phone number and call you to ask in person

And so a different year wheel, and swing arm is harmful how?

You're still a n00b :D

[wbks]

You're still a n00b :DAlways learning... But yes, n00b:laugh:

[James Deuce]

It's a calling.

[Hoon]

Yep I'm guilty as well. Sometimes people advertise stuff and neglect to mention some of the finer details. i.e.
- selling an alarm system without disclosing that it costs $100 to unlock without the installer code.
- selling bike parts that are not from the model listed

If the seller is offended then it's their fault for not being up front in the first place.

[pzkpfw]

A few years back a guy on TM was selling some Suzuki 250 with a 400 motor in it. He kept going on about how it was "legal" because no-one would notice. (The guy selling the bike even posted pictures of his W.O.F. to "prove" the bike was "legit"... I still have pics of his rego and VIN)

I asked questions like "What's the difference between 'legal' and 'getting away with it'". Which he ignored.

As far as I could see, some real beginner might buy the bike and hurt themselves (don't give me "buyer beware" or point out the faster 250's) or buy into the "it's 'legal'" thing and maybe get stung by big fines one day.

Tyre kickers and train spotters may be annoying, but I'm with skidMark on the issue of trying to help potential buyers.

[mynameis]

Yep I'm guilty as well. Sometimes people advertise stuff and neglect to mention some of the finer details. i.e.
- selling an alarm system without disclosing that it costs $100 to unlock without the installer code.
- selling bike parts that are not from the model listed

If the seller is offended then it's their fault for not being up front in the first place.

+1


A few years back a guy on TM was selling some Suzuki 250 with a 400 motor in it. He kept going on about how it was "legal" because no-one would notice. (The guy selling the bike even posted pictures of his W.O.F. to "prove" the bike was "legit"... I still have pics of his rego and VIN)

I asked questions like "What's the difference between 'legal' and 'getting away with it'". Which he ignored.

As far as I could see, some real beginner might buy the bike and hurt themselves (don't give me "buyer beware" or point out the faster 250's) or buy into the "it's 'legal'" thing and maybe get stung by big fines one day.

Tyre kickers and train spotters may be annoying, but I'm with skidMark on the issue of trying to help potential buyers.

+2

Yaay skids got a few brownie points from us :)

[Okey Dokey]

I think it is nice that you knowledgable ones try and point out things that aren't clear/obvious. If the buyer has nothing to hide, where is the problem?

I'm not sure that is what irked the OP, however.

[marty]

i make comments along these lines for the simple fact some people make slimeball sneaky listings that can catch a newbie out...

like the "1990 zxr 250" for 6 grand with brand new paintjob...

he neglected to mention a giant crash that caused it to need this... and only a trained eye such as mine could spot it...

ie... it had a 1989 swingarm and a 91-93 rear wheel...

theres some dodgy patch ups on trademe and i feel its not right...

well you would know, trying to sell a POS with mismatched (leaking) forks......i would have thought you'd need an LVC with 250cc forks on a 650?

[Sparky Bills]

Its doesnt just happen on tard me...:shutup:

[FROSTY]

What is it with these know-all pricks who "ask questions" with no intention of buying anything? Who cares whether the brake lever is from another year or the snatch licker is not standard. Fuck off and start a blog here where you'll really find out how much you know; let actual buyers and real sellers talk about what matters to them. Morons. It's too late for you to get a life, just jump off somewhere high onto something hard.
Hate to say this dude but I ask questions like this fairly regularly.
When dealing with a trader from a long way away its a way of guaging the honesty and attitude of the trader.
it might seem unimportant to you but your response will decide if I bid on your bike or not.
I wouldn't call myself a tyre kicker
I've been known to buy a bike or two over the years. In the last 2 weeks Ive purchased 4 bikes and Im interested in two others.

[imdying]

When dealing with a trader from a long way away its a way of guaging the honesty and attitude of the trader.
it might seem unimportant to you but your response will decide if I bid on your bike or not.Well put, I've done the same myself.

[topher]

Hate to say this dude but I ask questions like this fairly regularly.
When dealing with a trader from a long way away its a way of guaging the honesty and attitude of the trader.
it might seem unimportant to you but your response will decide if I bid on your bike or not.
I wouldn't call myself a tyre kicker
I've been known to buy a bike or two over the years. In the last 2 weeks Ive purchased 4 bikes and Im interested in two others.

Look. If you're genuinely interested in buying a bike (or whatever) of course you ask questions. And keep asking till you know what you need to know. But if you're using TM as a forum to show off your prodigious knowledge, stroking your own ego with the excuse you're looking after "the little bloke" ( when your own little bloke is what you're really stroking) , then piss off and get a life.

[FROSTY]

Methinks sir you protesteth too much.

[James Deuce]

Look. If you're genuinely interested in buying a bike (or whatever) of course you ask questions. And keep asking till you know what you need to know. But if you're using TM as a forum to show off your prodigious knowledge, stroking your own ego with the excuse you're looking after "the little bloke" ( when your own little bloke is what you're really stroking) , then piss off and get a life.
Nah. If I see blatant BS I'll call it. I've both bought and helped people get crapheaps rideable after gross misrepresentation on TM and "inspections" by supposedly reputable people.

Who bunched your undies? Scammers are scum. Trademe aren't going to help when it goes wrong, and I'm picking you won't be either.

[short-circuit]

Look. If you're genuinely interested in buying a bike (or whatever) of course you ask questions. And keep asking till you know what you need to know. But if you're using TM as a forum to show off your prodigious knowledge, stroking your own ego with the excuse you're looking after "the little bloke" ( when your own little bloke is what you're really stroking) , then piss off and get a life.

Yep I agree with you - You're problem is that you're (for the most part) appealing to another audience full of know alls and strokers :dodge:

[James Deuce]

Yep I agree with you - You're problem is that you're (for the most part) appealing to another audience full of know alls and strokers :dodge:
Ooo, strokers. That reminds me, Piratejafa has an RD350E on Trademe.

[ducatilover]

Hmmm so because my bike has a few different pieces does that mean it has been crashed skidmark? It hasn't been laid down in new zealand, but it has new paint. And a different guard on the front, and a silly fairing which I love.

[dave_a]

Dont sell anything dodgy and you wont get dodgy questions,I havent had anything like that on any of my auctions, I think someone has every right to know everything possible about what they are buying.

Sounds like you wher snapped out trying to lie about something you where selling

[Hoon]

Hmmm so because my bike has a few different pieces does that mean it has been crashed skidmark? It hasn't been laid down in new zealand, but it has new paint. And a different guard on the front, and a silly fairing which I love.

No it just means that if you sell it you should explain this in the Ad, instead of conveniently overlooking it in the hope of not putting anyone off. Also 'hasn't been laid down in new zealand' can be interpreted as 'was crashed overseas' so you would no doubt be getting questions asking to elaborate on this.

[Bigsexy]

I can't imagine how a diferent year wheel and swingarm is dangerous assuming it's from the same model bike and obviously bolts straight in, but when I was a n00b looking for bikes, shit like that would scare me off the bike. I'd be pissed if some knob did that to my auction

I dont think he said it was dangerous ???:innocent:

The point is: dude hears about the orsm-ness of a kawasaki 250c and wants one but doesnt know what the fark he is looking at and just hands over 6g cash right?

Then this nubee rocks up chuffed as with a kwagi that his mates have raved about how they are so great thinking he has "The real deal"

Then!!!


Na bro thats a Bitsa...:shit: :sick:




:oi-grr::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::2guns:

Honesty is the best policy :tugger:

[Bigsexy]

well you would know, trying to sell a POS with mismatched (leaking) forks......i would have thought you'd need an LVC with 250cc forks on a 650?


:woohoo: Fork seals are cheap

[marty]

i think the fork seals will be the least of the worries.

[skidMark]

well you would know, trying to sell a POS with mismatched (leaking) forks......i would have thought you'd need an LVC with 250cc forks on a 650?


Well no... i went and asked a certifier and he said no...

the bike is sold anyway.

[topher]

Dont sell anything dodgy and you wont get dodgy questions,I havent had anything like that on any of my auctions, I think someone has every right to know everything possible about what they are buying.

Sounds like you wher snapped out trying to lie about something you where selling

Nope. I've bought more than I've sold on TM (much to the noisy disgust of the chancellor of the domestic exchequer). I recently bought a '68 Triumph - it was advertised on TM a couple or three times and every time the same plonkers argued about whether the engine was '70 or '71, whether the front brake was 68 or 69 and all sorts of other tweed-coat bullshit. A quick, relatively inexpensive VIR check would have shown them (as it did me) the bike was registered new in NZ and that the current owner had the bike the last 22 years. The owners said on TM it was reg and WOF and gave the engine and frame numbers. The VIR confirmed continual registration since '68. To me it was plain that the trader was honestly representing the bike yet these tossers apparently knew more about the bike than that 22 year owner from looking at 5 640x480 pics...

So yeah, perhaps I "protest too much" as someone mentioned earlier. This is a rant thread and I'm having one. Again, so my rant is clear - A seller should expect searching questions from those with a real interest in buying but shouldn't have to put up with his sale being turned into a forum.

And I know this won't make a tiny bit of difference to what happens on TM but I feel better and no animals have suffered.

[James Deuce]

Now that's different!

Arguments amongst the brand congniscenti are not only expected but encouraged. If you'd mentioned the Triumph bit in the first post you'd have our sympathy. The authentic restoration vs the sensibly maintained and modified classic arguments can be quite hilarious, and also confounding.

Oddly, one very rarely strikes a Harley or BMW authenticity vs practicality argument. It's usually limited to defunct English and Italian brands.

[mossy1200]

I find it amazing how the question askers rarely seem to be the actual bidders.
check this guys questions and not one bid.Sold the bike for $206.00 Guess it was out of his price range.

hows it.do you have other spare parts for the bike? jayrx7 (110 ) 6:50 pm, Sat 11 Jul
there was a box of parts that it looks like the porevious owner had got to get the bike going but not installed so those parts go with bike.Owners service manual and a spare front disc.Bike suits someone who wants bike for spares or project but it would need a lot of time and some parts to get it going and on road again. 7:15 pm, Sat 11 Jul
one other thing on the bike.are there badges or stickers written in suzuki on the tank thanks? jayrx7 (110 ) 7:23 pm, Sat 11 Jul
I think they are badges .i will check on the way back from a walk and leave the confirmed answer in the question/answer section.Cheers 7:33 pm, Sat 11 Jul
Seller Comment: screw on badges.Intact but black areas could do with repainted.Tank solid but top dint and surface rust. 8:16 pm, Sat 11 Jul
can you give me a meauurement of the seat.from the top front across to the back thanks jayrx7 (110 ) 10:55 pm, Mon 13 Jul
seat is 660 long across the top paded area.Seat is aged and could do with recovered. 5:58 pm, Tue 14 Jul

[Hoon]

I recently bought a '68 Triumph - it was advertised on TM a couple or three times and every time the same plonkers argued about whether the engine was '70 or '71, whether the front brake was 68 or 69 and all sorts of other tweed-coat bullshit.

I'd be happy. Comments like that can scare off potential bidders which means you can get it for a better price. In fact, I'm also guilty of doing that too - pointing out flaws (cunningly disguised as a questions) to keep the interest down - under the wifes account of course :)

However I do agree it sucks when you want an item and someone comments "OMG is that the super rare pro race SP version that legend has Gary McCoy hand forged from titanium plates removed from his own body?!?!?" so yeah I guess it swings both ways.

[ducatilover]

No it just means that if you sell it you should explain this in the Ad, instead of conveniently overlooking it in the hope of not putting anyone off. Also 'hasn't been laid down in new zealand' can be interpreted as 'was crashed overseas' so you would no doubt be getting questions asking to elaborate on this.

I have stated it is recently painted. "hasn't been laid down in nz" is because I don't know the japanese history but am the only New Zealand owner. All can be explained to a potential buyer and I would happily answer any questions, showing I am honest and have nothing to hide about my pride and joy :rockon: