Motorcycles = smoking?

[GreyAngel]

passing comment in new AA directions magazine. comment or insult....


Road safety messages tend to imply public disobedience is to blame for our road toll. Public safety is not just about disobedience - it also involves providing information about what is and what is not safe, as we do for workplace and public health.

Take motorcycles - like smoking, perfectly legal and highly dangerous. The road toll features too many 40- or 50-year-old men who bought big machines and died on them. Of the 34 motorcyclists who died last year, only nine were not at fault.



http://www.aa.co.nz/aadirections/driver/Pages/Accident-Analysis.aspx

[Supermac Jr]

So then it follows logically that riding = smoking = having unprotected sex

we all know the dangers...
blahblahblah

[Drew]

passing comment in new AA directions magazine. comment or insult....

Road safety messages tend to imply public disobedience is to blame for our road toll. Public safety is not just about disobedience - it also involves providing information about what is and what is not safe, as we do for workplace and public health.

Take motorcycles - like smoking, perfectly legal and highly dangerous. The road toll features too many 40- or 50-year-old men who bought big machines and died on them. Of the 34 motorcyclists who died last year, only nine were not at fault.

http://www.aa.co.nz/aadirections/driver/Pages/Accident-Analysis.aspx

Dunno if it's an insult, but it does piss me off.

The just under a quarter of the fatalities were not their own demise, how does that compare to cage deaths?

[Maha]

Smoking can be dangerous, dont know about 'highly'...not everyone that smokes dies from a smoking related illness.

Motorcycling can be dangerous, but so can running with a knife. While you are within your rights do both theses things, it is probable that you will survive both acts on any given day.

The use of the word 'IS'... is the insult.

[Taz]

No smoking = stupid......

[slofox]

Smoking, to some degree, adversely affects the health of ALL who smoke. Motorcycling does not. So there!

[The Pastor]

yeah im so dangerous!

[-df-]

Smoking, to some degree, adversely affects the health of ALL who smoke. Motorcycling does not. So there!

2 strokes :P

[Elysium]

I feel so baaaad now. :ar15:

[Stirts]

Smoking, to some degree, adversely affects the health of ALL who smoke. Motorcycling does not. So there!

Unless of course you are one of the unlucky ones and have a partner who will "adversely affect your health" for spending all your free time out riding.

[elle-f]

it's a good thing I am not a 40-50 year old man then. I feel safe!

[HenryDorsetCase]

the AA is a tool of oppression. They lost my confidence, respect, and money when they supported the introduction of speed cameras. their opinion is worthless, they are bottom feeding scum.

[James Deuce]

The AA are reaching a little to compare the 10s of motorcycling deaths to the 10s of thousands of smoking related deaths every year.

Just cancel your membership. A random passing motorcyclist is usually vastly more helpful than any AA call out.

[MIXONE]

Well that's me farked then.My bike smokes too!

[Ixion]

The AA have a permanent "motorcycles are evil" mindset. It's cos the AA is run by ancient doddering narrow minded bigoted 100 year old fossilised brain dead zombies.

[slofox]

Unless of course you are one of the unlucky ones and have a partner who will "adversely affect your health" for spending all your free time out riding.

:2thumbsup:rofl::killingme:rofl::2thumbsup


Never thought of that...!

[Maha]

What about a biker that smokes??....
Does that person have no hope at all?

[slofox]

What about a biker that smokes??....
Does that person have no hope at all?

Not if you listen to the likes of AA....

[Stirts]

What about a biker that smokes??....

Farken sexy is my thought!

<img src= http://www.ema-usa.com/images/bow/Tuono_burnout.jpg></img>

[Maha]

Farken sexy is my thought!



Looks gay, I'll stick to Winfield.....:crybaby:

[mnkyboy]

Looks gay, I'll stick to Winfield.....:crybaby:

rich coming from a honda rider.

there's no hope for me either

[Drew]

Farken sexy is my thought!

http://www.ema-usa.com/images/bow/Tuono_burnout.jpg

Aprilia on the sliders AND leathers! Dude smokes cock. LOL

[Stirts]

Aprilia on the sliders AND leathers! Dude smokes cock. LOL

You sexist little bitch, it may very well be a dudette. Then you will be saying "smoke my cock" and she will be the one larfing! :bleh:

[McWild]

How can you all have such reckless disregard for your health?

100% of motorcyclists AND smokers die.

FACT.

Wake up.

[Drew]

You sexist little bitch, it may very well be a dudette. Then you will be saying "smoke my cock" and she will be the one larfing! :bleh:

If it's a chick, she's got no boobs!

And to be honest, I dont know any chick that would respond favourably, to "smoke my cock".

[vgcspares]

the AA is a tool of oppression. They lost my confidence, respect, and money when they supported the introduction of speed cameras. their opinion is worthless, they are bottom feeding scum.

what this man said PLUS - what a bunch of toadying tossers the AA are, anyone truly concerned with road safety would query the net effect of taxing peoples speed down to an untaxing level:

no experience of driving faster than a dodgem = no skill set whatsoever = no ability to tackle anything that hasn't happened before

end result: accidents and, oh yeah, we were trying to stop these weren't we ???

[Katman]

It's cos the AA is run by ancient doddering narrow minded bigoted 100 year old fossilised brain dead zombies.

A bit like BRONZ then.

:whistle:

[merv]

... and can all you 40 and 50 year old men stop fricken crashing like you do, its giving the rest of us a bad name?

[Swoop]

What about a biker that smokes??....
Does that person have no hope at all?
What if that person was also an AA member?:crazy:

[Drew]

... and can all you 40 and 50 year old men stop fricken crashing like you do, its giving the rest of us a bad name?

Does that mean I can go on crashing like no mans business?

[AllanB]

IMO the AA of late has become a money grabbing organisation and lost my respect some time ago. Personally I ignore comments of that nature. You are of course most welcome to write to them or better yet if you are paying a subscription to them write and cancel it (telling them why).

[merv]

Does that mean I can go on crashing like no mans business?

Guess so you're not in the "bad" age group:rockon:

[GOONR]

it's a good thing I am not a 40-50 year old man then. I feel safe!

Well I'm buggered, might just as well climb in the coffin now, (almost) 40 years old, male, returning to biking and I smoke!:bye:

[varminter]

Well I'm ok, I don't smoke and I'm over 60. The AA are a bunch of elitist pricks, the magazine seems to feature overseas trips, it's all I can afford is to pootle in to town (almost) I saved money and stuck a blow for freedom and canceled my membership.

[chrispy121]

why do these guys always winge about bikes crashing when most of these accidents would be prevented if the roads were in a better condition.
they never mention how many accidents happen on non marked road works or the fact they ignore the cheese cuter campaign.
even on the TV article they had about 40 year old bikers even had MP's riding harleys in front of parliament with no safety gear or even helmets. well they were setting a good example for road safety but they must be safe as they wernt speeding!

[Kickaha]

Does that mean I can go on crashing like no mans business?

May as well, you're already quite good at it:whistle:

[slofox]

... and can all you 40 and 50 year old men stop fricken crashing like you do, its giving the rest of us a bad name?

I must be OK then - I'm 60...so can I crash all over the place then huh?

[YellowDog]

I must be OK then - I'm 60...so can I crash all over the place then huh?
OK - So to recap:

Us middle aged guys who have one night stands with loose women who go at it so fast that the smoke starts to cloud our vision. SHOULD NOT RIDE MOTORCYCLES.

I think that Motorcycles are the least if our prolems.

I have never liked the AA. I stopped using them years ago when I realised they were in the business of taking money for nothing. It took me years to get my wife to stop using them. If I break down, I phone a friend to help out and they rely on the same from me.

I don't need the AA and wouldn't trust a word they say.

[Katman]

or the fact they ignore the cheese cuter campaign.


Why wouldn't they.

So do 90% of motorcyclists.

[chrispy121]

Why wouldn't they.

So do 90% of motorcyclists.
true but it is a bit rich that they preach about road safety then ignore things like this and road conditions then just blame it on any one who smokes and rides a bike:Oops:

[oldrider]

The AA have a permanent "motorcycles are evil" mindset. It's cos the AA is run by ancient doddering narrow minded bigoted 100 year old fossilised brain dead zombies.


... and can all you 40 and 50 year old men stop fricken crashing like you do, its giving the rest of us a bad name?

Yippee, I am outside the target range of Ixion's 100 year olds and the AA's 40 and 50 year olds, Mr in between no less! :wari:

:blip: Err...OK.....but....? :scratch: Why? :confused:...and....:whocares:.....I must have missed something significant here! :o

[Paul in NZ]

OOOOOOHHHHH I'm seriously pissed now...

I'll cancel my membership tonight - they forget that every 50 year old motorcyclist probably owns at least 1 car too....

[cs363]

This is fairly typical of the sort of mindless drivel the AA has been responsible for putting out over the last few years. Rather than the voice of the motorist which they used to be, they seem to have become some sort of support network for the cocks at the LTSA.
Almsot every press release etc., you read from them seems to distance then even further from the every day driver and motorcycle rider who they claim to represent. :tugger:'s the lot of them!

[koba]

OOOOOOHHHHH I'm seriously pissed now...

I'll cancel my membership tonight - they forget that every 50 year old motorcyclist probably owns at least 1 car too....

The are a rip anyway.

I typed out a big rant on this but just deleted it because it isn't worth wanking on about, in my eyes most motorists would never use their services enough to justify the cost.

[Drew]

Why wouldn't they.

So do 90% of motorcyclists.

Same thing is it? A safety authority ignoring your quest, and motorcyclists not getting involved.

You say some fucking stupid shit sometimes man.

[Jonno.]

it's a good article that implies too many born again riders are dying and there are no ads targeting them where as cell phone use while driving gets ad time where 1person died last year. it is quite good. the quote is completely out of context

[awayatc]

AA?

worked for me......
Been only to a few meetings myself.......
But am still sober though.....


Mostly

[Drew]

it's a good article that implies too many born again riders are dying and there are no ads targeting them where as cell phone use while driving gets ad time where 1person died last year. it is quite good. the quote is completely out of context

You saying that there needs to be TV ads, telling 40-50 year olds not to get bikes again?

There should perhaps be an advanced handling course for someone who has been off bikes for a while, but it could only ever be voluntary. Were it funded by LTSA, (with the money saved from not bothering with ads that have limited success at best), methinks people would do it.

[jrandom]

Same thing is it? A safety authority ignoring your quest, and motorcyclists not getting involved.

It's not Katman's quest.

I think he's more among the percentage who prefer to back themselves to control where their bikes go than the percentage who shit their pants when they see things being built on the roadside that they don't want to crash into.

[gwigs]

I used to smoke and ride at the same time.....how dangerous was that....
I gave up smoking but I dont plan on giving up riding now I have returned to it
But Ive passed the 50 mark so I must be ok now then.
Also the AA report says 34 were killed ,they didnt say how many 40-50 yr olds
were among them.:rolleyes:

[gijoe1313]

So if you are between 40-50, smoke and ride a two-storker smoker, you must be death incarnate! :scratch:

I gave up my AA membership the day I got rid of the cage! :woohoo:

[Jonno.]

You saying that there needs to be TV ads, telling 40-50 year olds not to get bikes again?

There should perhaps be an advanced handling course for someone who has been off bikes for a while, but it could only ever be voluntary....

no. the point is targeting the wrong things such as speeding when it is not really the cause of many accidents where.as driving too fast for the conditions is.

[Dare]

no. the point is targeting the wrong things such as speeding when it is not really the cause of many accidents where.as driving too fast for the conditions is.
I don't think it has ever been put better than that. 130 on a straight open road with no traffic is safer than 80 on the bridge in todays wind.

[knottsav]

hear hear! In full agreement....a very sensible and insightful comment.


You saying that there needs to be TV ads, telling 40-50 year olds not to get bikes again?

There should perhaps be an advanced handling course for someone who has been off bikes for a while, but it could only ever be voluntary. Were it funded by LTSA, (with the money saved from not bothering with ads that have limited success at best), methinks people would do it.

[PrincessBandit]

I used to smoke and ride at the same time.....how dangerous was that....

Just got back from a week in Raro - over there you ride with no helmet, jandals and heaps of them smoke while they're riding......

[Bonez]

Just got back from a week in Raro - over there you ride with no helmet, jandals and heaps of them smoke while they're riding......Did they wave?

[PrincessBandit]

Stop trying to hijack this thread to be a waving one!!! :lol:

No, they don't wave. You'd be doing the royal wave your entire ride as every 10 seconds you pass a vehicle of the 2 wheeled variety.

But judging by the state of most cars and bikes there (rust issue alone...) I can't imagine that WoFs would feature highly. Or if they are meant to comply to a safety standard it's either way different from ours, or most don't bother. Quite an eye opener to see kids who'd be barely 3 years old hanging on to the back of mum's teeshirt behind her on the scooter, legs dangling free, etc etc. Not to mention the other end of the scale with poor old scooters weighed down with an excessive amount of kilos from 2 large bodies crammed on board :msn-wink:

[PrincessBandit]

Back on track though with the OP, motorcycling does not = smoking. Smoking is a disgusting habit therefore motorcycling does not equate with smoking.


My share of stirring for the day.

[Bonez]

But my motorcycle smokes?:dodge:

[jafar]

passing comment in new AA directions magazine. comment or insult....


Road safety messages tend to imply public disobedience is to blame for our road toll. Public safety is not just about disobedience - it also involves providing information about what is and what is not safe, as we do for workplace and public health.

Take motorcycles - like smoking, perfectly legal and highly dangerous. The road toll features too many 40- or 50-year-old men who bought big machines and died on them. Of the 34 motorcyclists who died last year, only nine were not at fault.



http://www.aa.co.nz/aadirections/driver/Pages/Accident-Analysis.aspx

This doesn't say how old the deceased were, are they all in the 40-50 age group? I'd suggest they are not & someone is being economical with the truth. :rolleyes:
More media bullshit to sell their magazine perhaps ?:Playnice:

[sondela]

it's a good thing I am not a 40-50 year old man then. I feel safe!

heh heh ditto :rolleyes:

[slofox]

I have been an AA member for over 35 years...I treat it as a form of insurance - there for when I have a vehicle (of any sort) problem. I have been grateful for membership enough times during all those years to keep up the premium (which reduces with length of membership). I completely ignore the attitudes that are sometimes displayed in the magazine. In fact I usually don't even read it...I have always found the call-out staff to be pretty good people.

Just to give a little more balance to this thread - here are some more quotes from that same article.

"We found that road safety messages on TV are often misleading and that they create more problems than they solve."

"...government advertising suggests you should be grateful to receive a speeding ticket because it will save your life. In fact, exceeding speed limits aren't (sic) a major issue.'

"It is true however that unsafe speed for the conditions is a factor - as it was in over half the accidents we analysed. Many crashes occur on road bends because drivers take them too fast (especially in SUV's or when it's wet.)"

"Nor is it true that middle aged New Zealand drivers creeping a few kilometres over the limit on long empty straights dominate the road toll."

"It is apparent that one in six (crashes) were caused by people who don't care about any kind of rules...men who speed, drink, don't wear seat belts, have no valid licence or WOF's - who are basically renegades."

"Then there are alcohol related fatal crashes. There were 44 last year. Most were well over the limit and most involved speed or renegades or both."

"Perhaps road safety messages themselves are problematic, as they tend to imply public disobedience is to blame for our road toll."

"Fatigue is a huge issue, not for young families as in the TV commercial, but for commercial drivers, older people and tourists,"

"Half of the 12 fatalities caused by not wearing seat belts involved big SUV's. People seem to assume SUV's protect them - but they don't."

So there you have it. The article is not just an attack on motorbikes. It does make some valid points.
Having said that, I will be sending them a little note drawing to their attention the idiocy of equating motorbiking with smoking and pointing out that they stand to lose support and credibility when they make stupid statement like that.
Finally, I would have to say that either the author, Peter King, needs grammar lessons or that someone needs to hire a better proof reader...most of the quotes above are as written...

[James Deuce]

I have been an AA member for over 35 years...I treat it as a form of insurance - there for when I have a vehicle (of any sort) problem. I have been grateful for membership enough times during all those years to keep up the premium (which reduces with length of membership). I completely ignore the attitudes that are sometimes displayed in the magazine. In fact I usually don't even read it...I have always found the call-out staff to be pretty good people.


I canned mine (my wife had insisted I have it when I got back into bikes) when a call centre staff member told me that the AA didn't "do motorcycles" when I got a flat in the middle of nowhere.

Instead I rang Stu at TSS and they picked me up. For free.

I'm surprised that you think that AA has any credibility with anyone under 60. They've left my wife on the side of the road with broken car full of young kids, more than once. She's not a slow learner or anything, she felt secure that the AA card in her wallet would be helpful. I've upset people with my comments about the AA before, but I only have my experience to go by, and that experience says that the average random biker is more reliable than the AA.

[Badjelly]

...Take motorcycles - like smoking, perfectly legal and highly dangerous....

However insulted one might feel about this, it's undeniable, surely?


The AA have a permanent "motorcycles are evil" mindset. It's cos the AA is run by ancient doddering narrow minded bigoted 100 year old fossilised brain dead zombies.

True.

[slofox]

I canned mine (my wife had insisted I have it when I got back into bikes) when a call centre staff member told me that the AA didn't "do motorcycles" when I got a flat in the middle of nowhere.

Instead I rang Stu at TSS and they picked me up. For free.

I'm surprised that you think that AA has any credibility with anyone under 60. They've left my wife on the side of the road with broken car full of young kids, more than once. She's not a slow learner or anything, she felt secure that the AA card in her wallet would be helpful. I've upset people with my comments about the AA before, but I only have my experience to go by, and that experience says that the average random biker is more reliable than the AA.

I can only go on my own experiences JD. So far, I have had positive interaction only. However, if I was treated as your Mrs was, or told they "don't do motorbikes", then I would be out of there as well.

I don't know about the credibility issue - to be honest I have never thought about it. As I said, I can only go on my own experiences...

I'll post up when and if AA replies to the email I sent them this morning about that article. Could be interesting.

[SPman]

The AA have a permanent "motorcycles are evil" mindset. It's cos the AA is run by ancient doddering narrow minded bigoted 100 year old fossilised brain dead zombies.
Just tell it like it is Les...don't hold back now......

Smoking, to some degree, adversely affects the health of ALL who smoke. Motorcycling does not. So there! Unless Katman or the Mormon few are on the road

I saw a lot of scooter riders smoking, whilst carving up the Parisian traffic - are they doubly at risk?

[MarkH]

it's a good thing I am not a 40-50 year old man then. I feel safe!

Shit - 40-50 years old and recently returned to biking, damn that's me!


... and can all you 40 and 50 year old men stop fricken crashing like you do, its giving the rest of us a bad name?

So far I am not in the crash statistics - I wonder how many of us 40-50 year old born-again bikers that havn't crashed there are?

The only thing I regret about returning to biking is that I didn't do it a few years earlier!

[Badjelly]

So far I am not in the crash statistics - I wonder how many of us 40-50 year old born-again bikers that havn't crashed there are?

You mean since being "born again"?

I haven't crashed (yet) in my second biking life. I couldn't exactly say that about the first one. :(

PS: Oops sorry, doesn't apply to me, I'm over 50.

[MarkH]

You mean since being "born again"?

Yeah - I was more reckless and took more risks back when I was 18-20 riding a 2-stroke 250 (so both riding & smoking).

[MaxB]

passing comment in new AA directions magazine. comment or insult....

Take motorcycles - like smoking, perfectly legal and highly dangerous. The road toll features too many 40- or 50-year-old men who bought big machines and died on them. Of the 34 motorcyclists who died last year, only nine were not at fault.


You would think it would be fairly easy to get the 34 accident reports to see how the authorities attribute cause and fault. Yeah right. I sometimes had to get similar reports etc as part of my job. They obviously remove the details of the victims but sometimes the details the LTSA use are not what is provided by the emergency services. Already a slant is being put on the figures.

Then people like the AA chop up that data into little chunks to suit their own ends and the details are even more blurred. Then it is fed to us.

Sloppy at best.

[NordieBoy]

"Half of the 12 fatalities caused by not wearing seat belts involved big SUV's. People seem to assume SUV's protect them - but they don't."

So that could also read...

"Half of the 12 fatalities caused by not wearing seat belts involved normal cars. People seem to assume normal cars protect them - but they don't."

[MotoKuzzi]

Shit - 40-50 years old and recently returned to biking, damn that's me!



So far I am not in the crash statistics - I wonder how many of us 40-50 year old born-again bikers that havn't crashed there are?

The only thing I regret about returning to biking is that I didn't do it a few years earlier!

Plus 1. KB poll needed?

[Swoop]

From the same magazine I noticed this little gem of an advert.

"Ride hard - Live free"?
"... each hour, the door opens ... as a scuptural motorcycle revs up to mark the time!"




Well then...

[NordieBoy]

From the same magazine I noticed this little gem of an advert.

"Ride hard - Live free"?
"... each hour, the door opens ... as a scuptural motorcycle revs up to mark the time!"




Well then...


I've just been sick...

[Swoop]

I've just been sick...
... I know the feeling. To begin with I couldn't work out if the clock was a pisstake on bikers in general, being in a car magazine...:rolleyes:

[slofox]

I canned mine (my wife had insisted I have it when I got back into bikes) when a call centre staff member told me that the AA didn't "do motorcycles" when I got a flat in the middle of nowhere.



I checked this out with AA today JD and they told me that they do do motorbikes...so I dunno......

I still think it is cheap breakdown insurance....

[James Deuce]

I checked this out with AA today JD and they told me that they do do motorbikes...so I dunno......

I still think it is cheap breakdown insurance....

Please understand that I know that. I'm not sure their weekend call centre staff do.

[avgas]

I think its correct.
Riding is like smoking. I know smokers who lived to 90.
Riding like a fuck means you will die like one. Likewise smoking like one means you will be living-dead later in life.

[prettybillie]

So then it follows logically that riding = smoking = having unprotected sex

Ahhh why is everything so good so bad :(:(:(

mwahahaha

[sondela]

I know smokers who lived to 90.


just as an aside, my grandpa smoked (a lot) and rode motorbikes.... he lived to 87, and he was a real lively old gent too! :D his death wasn't smoking or bike-related..

[Ixion]

I think its correct.
Riding is like smoking. I know smokers who lived to 90.
Riding like a fuck means you will die like one. Likewise smoking like one means you will be living-dead later in life.

By extension, does that mean that if you fuck like a biker you will die like one?

[James Deuce]

By extension, does that mean that if you fuck like a biker you will die like one?

Is that a penis extension and will there be diagrams?

[Ixion]

You need me to draw you a picture ?

[Max Preload]

2 strokes :P

We'll leave your sexual prowess out of this...


the AA is a tool of oppression. They lost my confidence, respect, and money when they supported the introduction of speed cameras. their opinion is worthless, they are bottom feeding scum.

Fuck'n spot on, Bevan!

[James Deuce]

You need me to draw you a picture ?

Yes. Feminists raised me.

[ready4whatever]

wouldnt call smoking dangerous. hazardous

[GOONR]

wouldnt call smoking dangerous. hazardous

I dunno, when Michael Jackson set light to his hair it was definitely smoking and that looked dangerous to me.:eek5:

[1wheel riot]

live in the moment its like geting freky with a brod you just met you no shes dirty you just hope she dose'nt use her teeth:crazy::wacko::angry2:

[NordieBoy]

That sentence hurt my brain.

[James Deuce]

After reading that sentence it is good to realise one still has a brain.