Has Katman's campaigning had any effect on how you ride on the road? [Archive]

kiwifruit

21st July 2009, 15:48

Its been around 2 years since Katman started offering us his views on road safety and rider conduct. We're all aware that his approach is not inline with how we might do it, but he is doing it. Has is campaigning had any effect on how you ride on the road?

R6_kid

21st July 2009, 15:51

Not directly, but I have 'toned down' my riding through my own realisations. God knows why i'm thinking of getting a motard...

Maha

21st July 2009, 15:56

Hes not targeting people like me so no.

PS: I never vote.

hogfire

21st July 2009, 15:56

Wasnt aware of it. Did a motorcycle Ride Right Course in Dunedin. Which was really good and gave me extra skill and things to know when riding. Was worth every dollar

Mully

21st July 2009, 15:56

Nah, but then I ride like a little pig-tailed girl anyhoo.

SARGE

21st July 2009, 15:57

Bitching about squids on the internet isnt campaigning

kiwifruit

21st July 2009, 16:00

Bitching about squids on the internet isnt campaigning

call it what you will

SARGE

21st July 2009, 16:02

call it what you will

thought i just did....

ajturbo

21st July 2009, 16:03

who is Katman..???
i didn't even know there was a member with that name..

mynameis

21st July 2009, 16:09

Meeeeoooooowwwww

Swoop

21st July 2009, 16:10

Did he have a campaign?

Damn. Didn't notice.

nudemetalz

21st July 2009, 16:14

He's a fullah with good taste in 'Zooks !!

sinfull

21st July 2009, 16:20

I don't believe it to be his campaign that led to my, taking it to the track !
But i applaud him for his efforts !

The Pastor

21st July 2009, 16:20

which one is katman?

Pussy

21st July 2009, 16:21

He's a fullah with good taste in 'Zooks !!
That he has, and I admire him for his efforts :niceone:

Mikkel

21st July 2009, 16:33

which one is katman?

He's that guy with the Suzuki.

mattian

21st July 2009, 16:38

It annoys me the way he dances around the debate by posing a new question everytime someone makes a good point. Its like he just won't acknowledge that he just might be wrong about some things! However, I do believe the mans heart is in the right place and cares about his fellow bikers....... he just has a very funny way of showing it.

Matt Bleck

21st July 2009, 16:45

bikes don't kill people, rappers do! :yes:

hospitalfood

21st July 2009, 16:51

who is katman ?

hang on a min, I just don't care.............

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 16:54

No. But as much as I hate to admit it, being on 95 points has had a temporary effect. It's not just a case of losing my job if I lose my license, I lose my business.

slofox

21st July 2009, 16:57

I had to say no. Not because I disagree with katman. It's because I already ride as defensively as I can (most of the time anyway). That's how come I am still riding at mumblemumble years of age.

Str8 Jacket

21st July 2009, 16:59

He instills a sense of conscience in me.

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 17:07

Has his complaining had any effect on how you ride on the road?

There, fixed it for you.

vifferman

21st July 2009, 17:07

He has given me pause for thought.
I can't say that when I've given myself a reality check when riding, that I've thought of Katman, but perhaps it has had an influence.
More than that though is my Vivid Imagination: I've seen enough gnarsty videos and had enough spills to know what it feels like, and sometimes get little flashes of "what might happen" that cause me to back off / tone it down / pull my head in / whatever.

sinfull

21st July 2009, 17:12

He instills a sense of conscience in me.
http://bp0.blogger.com/_QXe4jAsYBoE/RjtbbWa6P7I/AAAAAAAAAMg/ljvjzCU6vVA/s400/Hell+Girl+2.jpg

MSTRS

21st July 2009, 17:15

I had to say no. Not because I disagree with katman. It's because I already ride as defensively as I can (most of the time anyway). That's how come I am still riding at mumblemumble years of age.

Eggs-akery

Bonez

21st July 2009, 17:20

Did he have a campaign?

Damn. Didn't notice.Buried deep in PD I beleive.

Oh, here it is:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=62402&page=40

Doh!!

I think the most important thing to come out of it was that his sis PrincessBandit made a good chocolate cake. Or was that another thread?

oldrider

21st July 2009, 17:23

I had to say no. Not because I disagree with katman. It's because I already ride as defensively as I can (most of the time anyway). That's how come I am still riding at mumblemumble years of age.

Just like slofox!

If Katman helps "one" rider stay alive and out of unnecessary trouble he will have achieved his goal and be well satisfied I am sure.

It's not compulsory to read his threads or posts so readers can't really complain that he is bothering them at all.

Personally my only claim to anything "motorcycling" is that I am still doing it after 55 years of owning and riding bikes, so I must have got some things right.

I can still count my serious crashes on one hand but Katman's critics would probably say thats because I ride like a Nanna, well that's OK by me too! :ride:

twinkle

21st July 2009, 17:33

I reckon he's a nice contrast to the "I went for a ride today and got my knee down and binned and broke something and look how fucked up my bike is, hurr hurr hurr" posts.

DMNTD

21st July 2009, 17:34

On a certain level, yes

If Katman helps "one" rider stay alive and out of unnecessary trouble he will have achieved his goal and be well satisfied I am sure.
+1

It's not compulsory to read his threads or posts so readers can't really complain that he is bothering them at all.
Completely agree

howdamnhard

21st July 2009, 17:37

No, but then I ride like a nana.

one fast tl1ooo

21st July 2009, 17:39

Nope not at all

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 17:44

I reckon he's a nice contrast to the "I went for a ride today and got my knee down and binned and broke something and look how fucked up my bike is, hurr hurr hurr" posts.

I been in a cave for a while - when were these all posted?

Maha

21st July 2009, 17:48

Some may see it as 'harping on' but I feel Steve is pretty passionate about what he is saying, He has alot of knockers (no not tits) so good on him for sticking at it.

SixPackBack

21st July 2009, 17:50

Katman needs to buy a Corolla.....oh and SUCK MY COCK katman :mellow:

I am more likely to bust a move these days knowing at some level it pisses the sycophant off.......So no, katman's show boating makes me faster:Pokey:

RC1

21st July 2009, 17:55

dont take much notice of his threads cause hes a fuckwit IMHO

Owl

21st July 2009, 18:01

Katman makes me want to be a better man!

:rofl:

Sorry, I borrowed that from a movie.:D

Seriously though, I'm interested in hearing what any biker has to say. Whether I agree or not is a different matter.

I don't think my riding has changed due to Katman, but I certainly make more effort to be considerate to other road users, which he may have had some influence!

Katman

21st July 2009, 18:11

Can I vote?

(And btw, I'm claiming the 'Not telling' percentage as well).

:msn-wink:

jrandom

21st July 2009, 18:17

katman's show boating makes me faster

Can't say we've noticed that effect.

:dodge:

Blackshear

21st July 2009, 18:40

While I said no, I'm not in anyway saying that I do disagree with what he is trying to get across. I think he just grinds our gears because (just running out into a shooting range with a target on my belly here) he is going against majority of the peoples grain. I.e, we bitch and moan, he provides an alternate perspective that doesn't rub well when we have been in the biker perspective all too many times.

And sometimes you can just tell he feeds off of our reactions :cool:

TL;DR

He's a good guy, and what he says 90% of the time is true - but that being said, what anyone says can only be taken as an opinion.

rainman

21st July 2009, 18:55

I had to say no. Not because I disagree with katman. It's because I already ride as defensively as I can (most of the time anyway). That's how come I am still riding at mumblemumble years of age.

What he said. Apart from the mumbling...

short-circuit

21st July 2009, 19:11

Since he defriended me the other day I've been knee down and redlining it off the clock every day

Katman

21st July 2009, 19:14

Since he defriended me the other day I've been knee down and redlining it off the clock every day

You're really upset about that, aren't you?

It's the third time you've mentioned it.

saul

21st July 2009, 19:17

No we all choose our own ride:banana:

EJK

21st July 2009, 19:18

What was his campaign?

98tls

21st July 2009, 19:23

Rather listen to Katman than many of the full of bullshit internet bikers that seem to frequent these parts.Thank fuck for the ignore button.

short-circuit

21st July 2009, 19:36

You're really upset about that, aren't you?

It's the third time you've mentioned it.

Yeah it cut me deep, real deep.

Please refriend me and I'll never suggest you're a windbag on KB again. In fact stay tuned and I'll make a friend request right away....

idleidolidyll

21st July 2009, 19:39

nah, it's just made me lose respect for the guy

Boob Johnson

21st July 2009, 19:53

Bitching about squids on the internet isnt campaigning
+1

who is Katman..???
i didn't even know there was a member with that name..
Think yourself lucky :laugh:

That he has, and I admire him for his efforts :niceone:
Mad ranters unite :baby:

btw, I'm claiming the 'Not telling' percentage as well

:msn-wink:
lol you say that like it makes a lot of difference Steve lol.

The overwhelming response says it all really.

On a personal level he has a point, sometimes & ive always maintained that, but his troglodyte head bashing against a brick wall approach just doesn't appeal to most & the poll here suggests just that. Personally again, I read a lot about motorcycling & ride as often as I can in order to hone my skills. Katman's so called "campaign" which is more accurately described as "mad rantings that often end in PD" are far from the only source of this type of info, thankfully. I feel he limits his own success rate by his approach therefore renders himself almost useless. But as has been mentioned if he saves but one life then it is worth it.

I just seems a little redundant to aim for just one :scratch:

Katman

21st July 2009, 19:59

I just seems a little redundant to aim for just one :scratch:

Truth is, I'd have been satisfied with just one 'yes' vote.

Hitcher

21st July 2009, 20:00

Mr Katman's "campaigning" has forced me to delight in savouring the delights of a naked Italian howling with erotic delight at or near her red line, and understanding how the strategic application of throttle can provoke her front wheel to become momentarily unconstrained from the Earth's gravitational attraction.

bogan

21st July 2009, 20:01

seems to me like hes more than happy to dish out advice for his idea of the greater good, but completely incapable of taking other advice, most of which is meant to help him in his quest to make roads safer for bikers.

doc

21st July 2009, 20:08

Mr Katman's "campaigning" has givin me Tinitus. I understand you can get creams to stop the "Itch"

Boob Johnson

21st July 2009, 20:21

Truth is, I'd have been satisfied with just one 'yes' vote.
While it makes for a lovely cliche........"one life saved" it's hard to respect a process that alienates so many

jrandom

21st July 2009, 20:28

I reckon Katman and his old Suzuki would give most of the people who don't like his posts the learn.

Pussy

21st July 2009, 20:32

I reckon Katman and his old Suzuki would give most of the people who don't like his posts the learn.
And I reckon he would, too

SixPackBack

21st July 2009, 20:38

I reckon Katman and his old Suzuki would give most of the people who don't like his posts the learn.

And I reckon he would, too

So the biggest whinger of 'safe' riding has obviously been observed riding at a fair clip?....on the road?
If true Sergeant Showboat would be one big mac sized hypocrite would he not?

Pussy

21st July 2009, 20:43

So the biggest whinger of 'safe' riding has obviously been observed riding at a fair clip?....on the road?
If true Sergeant Showboat would be one big mac sized hypocrite would he not?
He's been known to attend trackdays.....

SixPackBack

21st July 2009, 20:55

He's been known to attend trackdays.....

.........And never observed riding in a spirited manner on the road?.......Jrandom should be commenting on this as well!

Katman

21st July 2009, 20:58

.........And never observed riding in a spirited manner on the road?.......

Yeah, I've observed plenty of it.

SixPackBack

21st July 2009, 21:05

Yeah, I've observed plenty of it.

Dodging the question katman!

Grahameeboy

21st July 2009, 21:08

Dodging the question katman!

I do believe that is a "Touche" moment...:rolleyes:

short-circuit

21st July 2009, 21:09

Dodging the question katman!

Fallibility on the part of the messenger does not negate the validity of the message.

Grahameeboy

21st July 2009, 21:09

Mr Katman's "campaigning" has givin me Tinitus. I understand you can get creams to stop the "Itch"

Did you say "Titch".....where are you Finn..

Grahameeboy

21st July 2009, 21:10

Fallibility on the part of the messenger does not negate the validity of the message.

But your elbow is connected to your arm bones....

short-circuit

21st July 2009, 21:11

Fallibility on the part of the messenger does not negate the validity of the message.

Even god gets it wrong sometimes - Gay Christians for example

ManDownUnder

21st July 2009, 21:13

no - but only because I know it all already

gwigs

21st July 2009, 21:15

DADDA,DADDA,DADDA,DADDA,DADDA,DADDA,KATMAN.....is he a caped crusa der ? :whistle:

Motoracer

21st July 2009, 21:22

Katman

21st July 2009, 21:27

I don’t know whether this Katman character is an effective smart preacher, or not. However, I will give him thumbs up for his intention of saving lives and improving rider safety.

The way to a better future for all is by integrating the "safety 1st" rule above all.

I'm all out of green shit for tonight so I'll say it here.......

Thanks, I appreciate the comment.

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 21:53

The way to a better future for all is by integrating the "safety 1st" rule above all.

Be careful what you wish for, next thing you know they will be banning motor racing in the interests of safety. Who knows, they may even ban adventure playgrounds for kids.

Katman

21st July 2009, 22:03

Be careful what you wish for, next thing you know they will be banning motor racing in the interests of safety. Who knows, they may even ban adventure playgrounds for kids.

Perhaps we'd be better off showing a more positive attitude towards 'self-imposed' safety rather than sitting back and waiting for Big Brother to impose his own form of safety on us.

98tls

21st July 2009, 22:09

Perhaps we'd be better off showing a more positive attitude towards 'self-imposed' safety rather than sitting back and waiting for Big Brother to impose it on us. Fuck no mate,way to sensible.You have to remember that many on here are from the play station nation,they confuse riding ability with key tapping ability,hence all the shit in this thread.Sadder still i have no doubts they honestly believe and indeed think that the readers of said shit actually believe it.

ducatilover

21st July 2009, 22:13

I think Katman makes many good points. But, sadly it wasn't his advice or well typed opinions that changed my riding, going backwards into a concrete strainer post at 160kmh a few years back did.

Good taste in zooks too :headbang:

ducatilover

21st July 2009, 22:14

Fuck no mate,way to sensible.You have to remember that many on here are from the play station nation,they confuse riding ability with key tapping ability,hence all the shit in this thread.Sadder still i have no doubts they honestly believe and indeed think that the readers of said shit actually believe it.

That is exactly why I went splat:(

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 22:20

Perhaps we'd be better off showing a more positive attitude towards 'self-imposed' safety rather than sitting back and waiting for Big Brother to impose it's own form of safety on us.

Yeah, I can see that working.
Self imposed oppression, great idea, why didn't I think of that?
Kind of reminds me how Vietnam lost the war with America.

Katman

21st July 2009, 22:24

Self imposed oppression, great idea, why didn't I think of that?

Self imposed oppression?

I think it was you who thought of that. Nobody else has mentioned it.

The Stranger

21st July 2009, 22:31

Self imposed oppression?

I think it was you who thought of that. Nobody else has mentioned it.

Come on Katman, just because you don't know any big words there's no need to be bashful. Step up and take your credit.

Katman

21st July 2009, 22:33

Come on Katman, just because you don't know any big words there's no need to be bashful. Step up and take your credit.

I'm big enough and ugly enough to put my own words in my mouth - thanks anyway Noel.

Slicksta

21st July 2009, 22:47

Brian d marge

21st July 2009, 23:02

Bitching about squids on the internet isnt campaigning
and like squids are going to be at the LTSA reading the road code

Mr K is right and Kiwis will not be told about their driving ( cos their mate was Stirling moss so they know how to handle a car/bike )

If anyone has to stand up to the plate,, its the person who has had a near miss in the last few years. Ya road craft needs work. Man up.....

I've had two near misses in the last TEN YEARS ( and there are others on here that have MUCH better records )

How about ( just a suggestion , for a start,,,,, you know ... ) giving way? moving over and err let the other idiot through ...

here's a radical thought ...... smile,,,,,,, just because some other dipshit is stressed , you are on a bike , life is good ,,,so who cares what the idiots do

Stephen

Pixie

21st July 2009, 23:09

I'm just waiting for him to kill himself

98tls

21st July 2009, 23:15

I'm just waiting for him to kill himself Who?...........

SixPackBack

22nd July 2009, 05:23

Fallibility on the part of the messenger does not negate the validity of the message.

Bullshit.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"......."don't do as I do, do as I say"..etc.
The deafening silence from katman and my rep comments leave little doubt that in fact katman is a capable rider that has been observed in the the not to distant past road racing, and giving others the learn.
It completely destroys his ramblings and exposes him as an attention seeker.

kiwifruit

22nd July 2009, 08:25

It completely destroys his ramblings and exposes him as an attention seeker.

<img src="http://i29.tinypic.com/r1dguw.jpg">

Katman

22nd July 2009, 08:30

in fact katman is a capable rider that has been observed in the the not to distant past road racing, and giving others the learn.

You have me intrigued. :scratch:

(Or perhaps you're now just clutching at straws).

Is it my speeding ticket for 116kph that has you confused?

peasea

22nd July 2009, 08:57

and like squids are going to be at the LTSA reading the road code

Mr K is right and Kiwis will not be told about their driving ( cos their mate was Stirling moss so they know how to handle a car/bike )

If anyone has to stand up to the plate,, its the person who has had a near miss in the last few years. Ya road craft needs work. Man up.....

I've had two near misses in the last TEN YEARS ( and there are others on here that have MUCH better records )

How about ( just a suggestion , for a start,,,,, you know ... ) giving way? moving over and err let the other idiot through ...

here's a radical thought ...... smile,,,,,,, just because some other dipshit is stressed , you are on a bike , life is good ,,,so who cares what the idiots do

Stephen

Hang on, hang on. Near misses can often occur through absolutely no fault of your own. For example: The missus was just in front of me, cruising around a round-about. There were two lanes. Mister Fucknuckle in the right-hand lane (driving a small s/w) decides at the last second he's going to exit the round-about, stage left. He cut across my lady's snout with inches to spare. A 'near miss' that was certainly not her doing and it wasn't the first. The first time I saw someone pull a stunt like on her that I gave the twat a smack in the head.

I will agree that on many occasions you can see what's coming and avoid it simply by being alert and treating all other users as a danger your health and wellbeing.

I had a small truck pull out on me the other day, I braked, so he decided he'd carry on. No apologetic wave, no nothing. Not even an indicator!

The Stranger

22nd July 2009, 10:09

The first time I saw someone pull a stunt like on her that I gave the twat a smack in the head.

So it wasn't a near miss at all then.

boomer

22nd July 2009, 10:17

http://i29.tinypic.com/r1dguw.jpg

bwahahhahhahahaha

peasea

22nd July 2009, 10:19

So it wasn't a near miss at all then.

Quite right; I connected.

Brian d marge

22nd July 2009, 13:16

Hang on, hang on. Near misses can often occur through absolutely no fault of your own. For example: The missus was just in front of me, cruising around a round-about. There were two lanes. Mister Fucknuckle in the right-hand lane (driving a small s/w) decides at the last second he's going to exit the round-about, stage left. He cut across my lady's snout with inches to spare. A 'near miss' that was certainly not her doing and it wasn't the first. The first time I saw someone pull a stunt like on her that I gave the twat a smack in the head.

I will agree that on many occasions you can see what's coming and avoid it simply by being alert and treating all other users as a danger your health and wellbeing.

I had a small truck pull out on me the other day, I braked, so he decided he'd carry on. No apologetic wave, no nothing. Not even an indicator!

Well I haven't had one

maybe its my positioning , 50cal in the side car ,,but I haven't had a near miss in a long time ( hand on heart,, I honestly cant remember when it was too long ago !)

I like these self propelled truck , they can launch out of drive ways and be in the centre of the road before a bike can take a counter measure ..

Id be asking myself why some can avoid these incidences yet others seem to have them everyday

Stephen

peasea

22nd July 2009, 13:20

Well I haven't had one

maybe its my positioning , 50cal in the side car ,,but I haven't had a near miss in a long time ( hand on heart,, I honestly cant remember when it was too long ago !)

I like these self propelled truck , they can launch out of drive ways and be in the centre of the road before a bike can take a counter measure ..

Id be asking myself why some can avoid these incidences yet others seem to have them everyday

Stephen

You sure do have to be alert.

I don't have them everyday but I see them coming often enough so manage to avoid them and you're right about positioning. If you can't see people's eyes, they probably can't see you. I often see riders cruising along behind cars in their LH (not RH) wheel track; you're invisible there, and that's just a starting point.

The Stranger

22nd July 2009, 14:45

Well I haven't had one

maybe its my positioning , 50cal in the side car ,,but I haven't had a near miss in a long time ( hand on heart,, I honestly cant remember when it was too long ago !)

I like these self propelled truck , they can launch out of drive ways and be in the centre of the road before a bike can take a counter measure ..

Id be asking myself why some can avoid these incidences yet others seem to have them everyday

Stephen

Perhaps as you raised the near miss aspect you would care to define "near miss".

Maha

22nd July 2009, 14:51

Perhaps as you raised the near miss aspect you would care to define "near miss".

Near miss= Fah man that was close.....

kiwifruit

22nd July 2009, 15:08

Interesting poll results so far... quite positive!

Maha

22nd July 2009, 15:13

Interesting poll results so far... quite positive!

Pity that a poll was attached though, polls on here count for nothing and it wasn't needed.

kiwifruit

22nd July 2009, 15:15

Pity that a poll was attached though, polls on here count for nothing and it wasn't needed.

What a negative nelly.

The Stranger

22nd July 2009, 15:19

Interesting poll results so far... quite positive!

Yes, very. We can only hope we see a corresponding drop in accident stats.

Maha

22nd July 2009, 15:20

What a negative nelly.

Possibly, but to me, the poll is judging the Man not the message.

Katman

22nd July 2009, 15:30

Possibly, but to me, the poll is judging the Man not the message.

Shit, if that's the case, I'm doing better than I expected.

:eek:

bogan

22nd July 2009, 16:23

Possibly, but to me, the poll is judging the Man not the message.

Both I'd say, he gets and A for effort, but a D at best for tact, if he could improve on his delivery style it would probably completely reverse the poll outcome.

Katman

22nd July 2009, 16:31

Both I'd say, he gets and A for effort, but a D at best for tact, if he could improve on his delivery style it would probably completely reverse the poll outcome.

But if you're using the whole alphabet a D's still pretty good, isn't it?

MSTRS

22nd July 2009, 16:40

But if you're using the whole alphabet a D's still pretty good, isn't it?

"The Headmaster feels that little Stevie might be best placed in the Special Ed Unit. He has been struggling all year with the concept of an alphabetic marking system, and as such, has fallen well behind in his other classwork. The Headmaster also thinks that a year or so in the Unit will be invaluable for Stevie's social development."

Maha

22nd July 2009, 17:12

Both I'd say, he gets and A for effort, but a D at best for tact, if he could improve on his delivery style it would probably completely reverse the poll outcome.

That is possible, the poll votes so far outway the posts in the thread (110 at time of this post) not everyone will back their vote with a comment.

Brian d marge

22nd July 2009, 17:29

Perhaps as you raised the near miss aspect you would care to define "near miss".

Getting the wrong test results from the clinic , or any heart stopping ( oh sh1t ) worrying moment

Stephen

PrincessBandit

22nd July 2009, 18:36

I have always tried to ride in a courteous manner as it is in my nature to be like that. However Katman's questions always add an opportunity to reflect and reassess ideas, concepts and assumptions.

His questions are not usually abusive or abrasive - this comes from the degeneration in debate which follows.

I think he has had more influence than many would be prepared to publically admit to (probably because it might mean owning up to less than desirable attitudes and behaviour....) Not to mention that lots of people don't like their boat being rocked.

Slicksta

22nd July 2009, 18:52

I have always tried to ride in a courteous manner as it is in my nature to be like that. However Katman's questions always add an opportunity to reflect and reassess ideas, concepts and assumptions.

His questions are not usually abusive or abrasive - this comes from the degeneration in debate which follows.

I think he has had more influence than many would be prepared to publically admit to (probably because it might mean owning up to less than desirable attitudes and behaviour....) Not to mention that lots of people don't like their boat being rocked.

Agreed.
The way he comes across to me is that he is trying to make people stop and think about the way they ride and is trying to make people see that its not only themselves they hurt if they crash due to reckless riding.
I don't see how some of you think he is imposing his views upon you, last time i checked he had not put a speed governor on my bike.

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 18:52

"The Headmaster feels that little Stevie might be best placed in the Special Ed Unit. He has been struggling all year with the concept of an alphabetic marking system, and as such, has fallen well behind in his other classwork. The Headmaster also thinks that a year or so in the Unit will be invaluable for Stevie's social development."
Gold, absolute gold :clap:

Here's a lil pic that sum it up...

PrincessBandit

22nd July 2009, 18:54

Here's a lil pic that sum it up...

Wow Boob, your self portrait is a stunner.

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 19:00

Wow Boob, your self portrait is a stunner.
The girl or the dinosaur?

PrincessBandit

22nd July 2009, 19:06

The girl or the dinosaur?

Take your 'pic' baby. They're both outstanding.

cs363

22nd July 2009, 19:15

Agreed.
The way he comes across to me is that he is trying to make people stop and think about the way they ride and is trying to make people see that its not only themselves they hurt if they crash due to reckless riding.
I don't see how some of you think he is imposing his views upon you, last time i checked he had not put a speed governor on my bike.

Agreed too. I know that he doesn't always put the message across in terms that are agreeable to some people, but I believe he is well intentioned.
There are some on KB that have had past disagreements with Katman and now seem determined to disagree with everything he says and rather than debate the relevant points have resorted to a personal slanging match.
At the end of the day, if his posts have made one or two people think about how they ride and adjust accordingly then he's done a good deed IMHO.

I can't really say that his campaign, crusade or whatever you want to call it (I would call it well intentioned advice) has made much if any difference to how I ride as I err on the side of caution when riding on the road as I'm not so concerned about my skill or lack of, I'm much more concerned about the unseen threat that could be lurking around the next corner - you know the type, the SUV driver from Remuera that thinks their 2 tonne 4WD can corner at the same speed as their Porsche Boxster, half pissed on their way back from the skifield.... and so many other similar threats we face on a daily basis.

I freely admit I didn't ride with this sort of forethought/insight when I was a teenager, but of course back then I was 10ft tall and bulletproof and I was also sadly lacking the benefits of that great teacher - experience. I just hope some of the younger guys that mock the sort of advice given out by Katman live to gain similar experience...

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 19:26

There are some on KB that have had past disagreements with Katman and now seem determined to disagree with everything he says and rather than debate the relevant points
Is that a joke? Surely that is a troll? You have seen the KB'er site award he won?

"Stone Deaf"

Ever wonder why? He's well known for avoiding any intelligent debate on his own issues instead resorting to what in most cases ends up in PD, for good reason.

You most probably won't but do a little home work on the last two years of this.

Take your 'pic' baby. They're both outstanding.
I thought since were talking about ya bro's ability to convey the message it was a rather fitting picture

The poll results speak for themselves

:msn-wink:

Katman

22nd July 2009, 19:43

The poll results speak for themselves

Indeed they do Boob.

It seems my efforts have been well and truly vindicated.

MotoKuzzi

22nd July 2009, 19:50

One of the things I enjoy about KB is evaluating the range of opinions that are expressed about everything. I don't think he's directly influenced my riding but the discussions around his posts have been entertaining and educational.

cs363

22nd July 2009, 19:50

Is that a joke? Surely that is a troll? You have seen the KB'er site award he won?

"Stone Deaf"

Ever wonder why? He's well known for avoiding any intelligent debate on his own issues instead resorting to what in most cases ends up in PD, for good reason.

You most probably won't but do a little home work on the last two years of this.

The poll results speak for themselves

Definitely not a joke, and the mere fact that some disaffected people have nominated a person for an award doesn't neccessarily mean they deserve it, plenty of people nominate and vote as a pisstake. For instance Sully60 is site perv, does that mean he's a filthy old pervert in a trench coat? Of course it doesn't.
I've seen plenty of the debates to which you refer and whilst Katman is certainly not blame free, as in most arguments blame can be cast on both sides.
It's also very difficult to argue with those that don't want to listen, again this can go both ways.
The poll results only speak for those who voted, like any statistics they can interpreted in many ways for whichever use serves, and unfortunately like most polls on KB are relatively meaningless.

But, as Maha posted - the poll seems to me to be more about judging Katman than his message, as seemingly do your comments.

I certainly wasn't directing my comments at you, and I see even in your earlier posts you admitted he had a point - and after all this is what this is all about isn't it?
Katman's impassioned beliefs rather than any personal issues you or others may have with him. I certainly don't agree with every single thing he says, but I do applaud him for trying to change some riders dangerous habits.

reofix

22nd July 2009, 20:00

Compare what Katman says about personal responsibility and the whole stupid "cheesecutter" campaign which asks the authorities to stop using proven lane division systems that save lives because we cant stop our big ol bikes from crashing into them ... ffs

Bonez

22nd July 2009, 20:13

What happened to the...

No wait, here it is :msn-wink:

Bugger, Boob bet me to it.

paturoa

22nd July 2009, 20:18

Yes, I've disagreed initially with some stuff which has made me think, which must have changed my approach

.... but I still support complaining about arsehole road users, including the biker kind.

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 20:26

Definitely not a joke, and the mere fact that some disaffected people have nominated a person for an award doesn't neccessarily mean they deserve it, plenty of people nominate and vote as a pisstake. For instance Sully60 is site perv, does that mean he's a filthy old pervert in a trench coat? Of course it doesn't.
I've seen plenty of the debates to which you refer and whilst Katman is certainly not blame free, as in most arguments blame can be cast on both sides.
It's also very difficult to argue with those that don't want to listen, again this can go both ways.
The poll results only speak for those who voted, like any statistics they can interpreted in many ways for whichever use serves, and unfortunately like most polls on KB are relatively meaningless.

But, as Maha posted - the poll seems to me to be more about judging Katman than his message, as seemingly do your comments.

I certainly wasn't directing my comments at you, and I see even in your earlier posts you admitted he had a point - and after all this is what this is all about isn't it?
Katman's impassioned beliefs rather than any personal issues you or others may have with him. I certainly don't agree with every single thing he says, but I do applaud him for trying to change some riders dangerous habits.
Again is that a joke? Because you disagree it means some are voting as a pisstake? lol this gets better all the time! If that is in fact true, would it not be true that its the same in reverse? I bet if the votes were 70% in favour of Katman your story would be different. Mate the question has been asked & the results are there for all to see.

You have a lot to learn about conveying a message. The man will always be judged along side his message as it is as important as the message itself. Hence why hobo's aren't well regarded speakers on wealth creation.

If he could actually back up half of what he says in an intelligent debate (which is well documents against him) he might get a bit more respect. Until then his "Stone Deaf" award & current poll result speak volumes.

Katman

22nd July 2009, 20:30

Until then his "Stone Deaf" award & current poll result speak volumes.

As I've said Boob........

Indeed they do.

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 20:34

As I've said Boob........

Indeed they do.
Arrrrrr ignorance............such bliss. I had nothing to do with your "stone deaf" award but can only applaud whoever voted you for it :first:

Only Katman could even attempt to put a spin on 70% against :baby:

Katman

22nd July 2009, 20:40

Arrrrrr ignorance............such bliss. I had nothing to do with your "stone deaf" award but can only applaud whoever voted you for it :first:

Only Katman could even attempt to put a spin on 70% against :baby:

Boob, you poor deluded fuck.

As I have said - if I have caused even 1 person to reconsider how they conduct themselves on their motorcycle, it's a victory.

Boob Johnson

22nd July 2009, 20:44

Boob, you poor deluded fuck.

As I have said - if I cause 1 person to reconsider how they conduct themselves on their motorcycle, it's a victory.
And as ive said..........your approach seems to aim at just that...........one :Pokey:

the "stone deaf" award is well earned

:msn-wink:

Katman

22nd July 2009, 20:50

the "stone deaf" award is well earned

Did you read the description of the 'Stone Deaf' nomination?

Rather true to the mark if you think about it.

scumdog

22nd July 2009, 21:01

As I have said - if I cause 1 person to reconsider how they conduct themselves on their motorcycle, it's a victory.

If it means they've saved themselves from binning by doing so I presume?

Katman

22nd July 2009, 21:04

If it means they've saved themselves from binning by doing so I presume?

Yes, that's what I meant.

Maha

23rd July 2009, 07:31

Why didnt everyone that voted, vote Yes?
They may have slowed the rate (or even stopped) Katman from posting further threads of the very nature that this thread is about.
I think its called Reverse Psychology.

cs363

23rd July 2009, 19:28

Again is that a joke? Because you disagree it means some are voting as a pisstake? lol this gets better all the time! If that is in fact true, would it not be true that its the same in reverse? I bet if the votes were 70% in favour of Katman your story would be different. Mate the question has been asked & the results are there for all to see.

You have a lot to learn about conveying a message. The man will always be judged along side his message as it is as important as the message itself. Hence why hobo's aren't well regarded speakers on wealth creation.

If he could actually back up half of what he says in an intelligent debate (which is well documents against him) he might get a bit more respect. Until then his "Stone Deaf" award & current poll result speak volumes.

Quite the contrary, I think the mere fact that people have bothered to vote means that by and large they have actually thought about what Katman has to say, so it's irrelevant which way they actually voted. The point is, they have thought about what he has to say, therefore he has made a difference by causing them to think. Maybe I didn't make myself clear in my previous post and for that I apologise, but I do believe many who would have voted 'No' did so because Katman may have rubbed them up the wrong way. We are obviously viewing this subject from different angles (as people tend to do) you seem to be focussing on the question itself, which I agree is black or white, whereas I am looking at it from the point of whether he has given them cause to think.

I'm not sure of your history with Katman, obviously you two have banged heads on more than one occasion but there is no need to take your animosity for him out on me.

You may not like Katman and that's your prerogative, however to be so dismissive of his message is a concern - any motorcyclist who does not have some concern for the safety of themselves (and other riders) gives me cause for concern.

cs363

23rd July 2009, 19:29

Why didnt everyone that voted, vote Yes?
They may have slowed the rate (or even stopped) Katman from posting further threads of the very nature that this thread is about.
I think its called Reverse Psychology.

:lol: Now that is a good question!

cs363

23rd July 2009, 20:33

Well I must apologise to all those who PM'd me regarding Mr Johnson, you were correct - he did resort to red rep and abuse rather than the intelligent debate he quotes publicly that he prefers.
:tugger:

Boob Johnson

24th July 2009, 23:55

Well I must apologise to all those who PM'd me regarding Mr Johnson, you were correct - he did resort to red rep and abuse rather than the intelligent debate he quotes publicly that he prefers.
:tugger:
Keep ya knickers on CS363, it's just an online forum.

After your previous statement(s) one could only imagine you akin to the Iraqi minister of interior. With the poll showing 70% against & the red rep you got from several members, im happy to leave it at that :msn-wink:

No real point in debating with farm yard animals

Pearls before swine

ps: the ones who you seem to have befriended use the rep system with such effect :msn-wink:

Hitcher

26th July 2009, 19:33

Thanks to Mr Katman, I was forced to chase a Porsche Carrera 4S back over the Rimutakas. I think Mr Porsche Driver had his traction control turned off or something, judging by the way the thing squirmed around. While the Porsche had great lines, its driver didn't.

Number One

26th July 2009, 20:06

Sully60 is site perv, does that mean he's a filthy old pervert in a trench coat? Of course it doesn't.

Maybe not to you..but to me he is :blip:

On topic - I ride careful and considerate because I didn't when I started out and fell off and hurt myself - that was all it took really. That AND before I get on my bike and go for a ride (now only on weekends *sniff*) I have to kiss my little boy goodbye and see you later. I am absolutely committed to seeing him grow up...that said I have had near misses and all have been 'near misses' because I was riding defensively and had that little bit in reserve.

I ride for good times not quick ones.

cs363

27th July 2009, 21:10

Maybe not to you..but to me he is :blip:

On topic - I ride careful and considerate because I didn't when I started out and fell off and hurt myself - that was all it took really. That AND before I get on my bike and go for a ride (now only on weekends *sniff*) I have to kiss my little boy goodbye and see you later. I am absolutely committed to seeing him grow up...that said I have had near misses and all have been 'near misses' because I was riding defensively and had that little bit in reserve.

I ride for good times not quick ones.

:lol: As long as he keeps the trench coat for private dress-up sessions at your house, all well and good.... :shifty:
And a big :2thumbsup: for your mature approach to riding, especially in light of the wee one, something others could learn from.....that's of course if they didn't resemble the attached pic so much.....

TLMAN

27th July 2009, 22:39

Who's Katman?