Motard scarcity at VMCC. Options?

[Clivoris]

I've posted about this in the Motard section but no-one has turned up to offer suggestions:(. The question is, why don't we get bigger Motard fields at the Actrix Winter Series? Personally I am a fan and have defended their inclusion for years but this is getting laughable given the size of the fields. Any realistic ideas about how we can draw them in, or do we write the class off and explore other options? I can hear The Bears pounding at the door, or perhaps the Post Post-Classics? Do we cancel the class and use the time for extra races in the other classes?

[quallman1234]

Could be to do with the circuit they run on?

[Clivoris]

Could be. They get the same as everyone else now. If it just isn't what they want then we can't really help it.

[Str8 Jacket]

I had a very interesting chat with a Motard racer at the Hill Climb this year Clive. Remind me to have a chat with you on Sat at the track... :yes:

[James Deuce]

I should buy one and then race myself.

[Str8 Jacket]

I should buy one and then race myself.

We would probably rather that you raced a bike.

[Clivoris]

I had a very interesting chat with a Motard racer at the Hill Climb this year Clive. Remind me to have a chat with you on Sat at the track... :yes:


I should buy one and then race myself.

Same answer to both posts. Bloody tease:wari:

[Tony.OK]

Sounds like the SBK issue with a chook chasing twist mate...........

What sort of numbers are ya talking Clive? And at what number do ya pull the pin?

Seems to be alot of people with alot to say in the past about letting 'em on track, now the numbers are falling? Go figure:crazy:

Bung 'em in with F3 again, then everyone can get more laps in (did I say that out loud)

[Str8 Jacket]

Same answer to both posts. Bloody tease:wari:

Hey, we all know that you cannot have a 'sensible' discussion on KB mate!! ;)

[Quasievil]

Yes its slack and I agree we are on the verge of loosing the VMCC support.
Im coming on Saturday to btw (changed my mind)

Anyway there are 9 entries there should be way more but in its defence the issues are

1/ There arent as many motard racers out there as there are sportsbike riders. so you will usually get smaller feilds
2/ Some motarders (I said some) feel the longer tracks cook their engines and pipes (remember a Motard revs fuck loads higher than any sportsbike) for me I am fine with the bigger tracks.
3/ There is the distance thing most motarders I guess are Auckland?

Anyway here is what Im doing about it

Shortly I will be promoting a new website that will be 100% motards, it wont be super active as obviously its a smaller group, but it will provide a one stop shop for Motarders to go to in relation to events as well as racing tips etc etc etc, think KB but smaller.
I already have support from KTM nz as well as a bunch of other businesses and I believe it will also promote the sport.

Currently Motards are out on a limb and have no real unification, this is what I want to change.

So if I can ask VMCC to stick with it and hopefully we can turn it around for next year, in the meantime I will be doing what I can to get punters to the track.

[montsta56]

Sounds like the SBK issue with a chook chasing twist mate...........

What sort of numbers are ya talking Clive? And at what number do ya pull the pin?

Seems to be alot of people with alot to say in the past about letting 'em on track, now the numbers are falling? Go figure:crazy:

Bung 'em in with F3 again, then everyone can get more laps in (did I say that out loud)

Do not bung them in with F3 please just get rid of them to allow more track time for proper bikes.:finger:

[bistard]

Sounds like the SBK issue with a chook chasing twist mate...........

What sort of numbers are ya talking Clive? And at what number do ya pull the pin?

Seems to be alot of people with alot to say in the past about letting 'em on track, now the numbers are falling? Go figure:crazy:

Bung 'em in with F3 again, then everyone can get more laps in (did I say that out loud)

Tony.you cant just bung them back in F3,as the speed difference at the end of the front & rear straights is down right dangerous,not to mention the weird lines they take

Clive,no doubt you have some contact details for the Motarders,send them out a letter,stating you front up in numbers,or they will loose their spot

Bears,now theres an idea

Good luck sorting this one

[sinfull]

So if I can ask VMCC to stick with it and hopefully we can turn it around for next year, in the meantime I will be doing what I can to get punters to the track.
Nahhhhh too late, out with the tards in with the bears !!!!!! Hip Hip ....

Orrr getting back on topic, someone could do a promo drive at the MX race scene ! See if a few of them riders want to save washing their bikes all the time !
What does it cost for a MX rider to convert a bike for road racing ?

[Clivoris]

Sounds like the SBK issue with a chook chasing twist mate...........

What sort of numbers are ya talking Clive? And at what number do ya pull the pin?

Seems to be alot of people with alot to say in the past about letting 'em on track, now the numbers are falling? Go figure:crazy:

Bung 'em in with F3 again, then everyone can get more laps in (did I say that out loud)
We have had a lot of pressure in the past to keep the class with lots of promises that people will come. We have 9 entered in 2 classes for this weekend. It will need to be more to justify the use of the track-time over next season. Including them in F3 is certainly an option now that MNZ have opened it up again (with restrictions), but there are pro's and cons on this for the Actrix Winter Series.


Yes its slack and I agree we are on the verge of loosing the VMCC support.
Im coming on Saturday to btw (changed my mind)

Anyway there are 9 entries there should be way more but in its defence the issues are

1/ There arent as many motard racers out there as there are sportsbike riders. so you will usually get smaller feilds
2/ Some motarders (I said some) feel the longer tracks cook their engines and pipes (remember a Motard revs fuck loads higher than any sportsbike) for me I am fine with the bigger tracks.
3/ There is the distance thing most motarders I guess are Auckland?

Anyway here is what Im doing about it

Shortly I will be promoting a new website that will be 100% motards, it wont be super active as obviously its a smaller group, but it will provide a one stop shop for Motarders to go to in relation to events as well as racing tips etc etc etc, think KB but smaller.
I already have support from KTM nz as well as a bunch of other businesses and I believe it will also promote the sport.

Currently Motards are out on a limb and have no real unification, this is what I want to change.

So if I can ask VMCC to stick with it and hopefully we can turn it around for next year, in the meantime I will be doing what I can to get punters to the track.

Cheers Quasi,
that sheds some light and I can appreciate the effort. There are lots of motards out there mate if the street meetings are any evidence. However, it seems that there are similarities to other situations we have encountered. Some people will point out that there are garages full of (insert class here) bikes that aren't being raced, because(insert reason here). The suggestion is then made to create or bring back a class, but the bikes just don't turn up. We could actually handle it if we were told that the Winter Series just doesn't work for motards, then we could get on with doing what does interest racers.
We have also toyed with the idea of hiring the track extension at Manfield exclusively for motards (and maybe buckets) on the weekends we are using the short circuit. Problems with this would be no timing (I think), and having a complete and independent crew to run it. We just don't have the person-power or a motard obsessed person to run with this idea, to do this at the moment. The plus would obviously be the mega track time for the motards at 3 meeting over winter.

[Crasherfromwayback]

A big single flat out in top is asking for trouble...and it's boring too!

[Quasievil]

Do not bung them in with F3 please just get rid of them to allow more track time for proper bikes.:finger:


Ah ha ........why not get rid of old F3 bikes? and make room for modern machinery, who wants to watch a 1980's slow pieces of junk anyway?

Get my point?

[Quasievil]

Clive,no doubt you have some contact details for the Motarders,send them out a letter,stating you front up in numbers,or they will loose their spot

Bears,now theres an idea

Good luck sorting this one

Clive if this is available I would dearly love this information, I know legal shit might get in the way, but I can market the event big time !
I can also use it to promote the Motard site.

if its possible let me know, perhaps even ask them if they will allow the transfer of info to me.

[Clivoris]

Clive if this is available I would dearly love this information, I know legal shit might get in the way, but I can market the event big time !
I can also use it to promote the Motard site.

if its possible let me know, perhaps even ask them if they will allow the transfer of info to me.

We will have contact info for those who have entered our events previously. We probably can't pass it on to you without consent but could pass a link, or your contact info onto them without any privacy hassles.

[Skunk]

Ah ha ........why not get rid of old F3 bikes? and make room for modern machinery, who wants to watch a 1980's slow pieces of junk anyway?

Get my point?
I'm glad you're kidding.


You are kidding right? Otherwise my plans for World NZ domination end right here.

[sinfull]

We will have contact info for those who have entered our events previously. We probably can't pass it on to you without consent but could pass a link, or your contact info onto them without any privacy hassles.
Or perhaps an oily rag Tarders special !

[montsta56]

Ah ha ........why not get rid of old F3 bikes? and make room for modern machinery, who wants to watch a 1980's slow pieces of junk anyway?

Get my point?

The bikes are not all old or slow. An F3 grids are normally full. So what is your point??

[Benk]

Can we have a poll? :devil2:

[Skunk]

The bikes are not all old or slow. An F3 grids are normally full. So what is your point??
:corn::corn:

[Quasievil]

The bikes are not all old or slow. An F3 grids are normally full. So what is your point??

My Point is that you where clearly having a go with your "proper bike" comment

If you have a attitude about motards then keep it to yourself.

Fact is its a fast growing sport which is a winner all round so get used to it.

[Tony.OK]

Do not bung them in with F3 please just get rid of them to allow more track time for proper bikes.:finger:

Tony.you cant just bung them back in F3,as the speed difference at the end of the front & rear straights is down right dangerous,not to mention the weird lines they take
Didn't that get a bite:Oops:

We have 9 entered in 2 classes for this weekend.

So they'll run as 1 mixed class?

Was surprised by the same thing at PMCC rnd 2 when they ran 2 classes with only a handfull in each.

9 is like top level National SBK's anyway...............that means they're special:innocent:

[k14]

I'm surprised they don't have the support. Last weekend at levels I think there were at least 15-20, didn't count but if someone knows some more precise number then pipe up. They are usually a well subscribed class at all tracks down here so I'm unsure why they aren't as popular up north!

[sharky]

Perhaps it's because Motards are supposed to be run on tracks part tarmac and part dirt and this is now being offered elsewhere.

[Nicksta]

i think you'll find motards are like F1 right now.. a few less riders considering the times... i've seen huge motard classes... if they dont like the long straights, how about running the old club circuit and doing more laps like the winter series 2 years ago so they get equal track time?

I disagree with including them in F3, it is already oversubscribed as it has protwins and F3 in one and having to have a qualify basis with only 35 grid positions. There is no suitable "road" class and i for one am happy to see them get the track time they pay for in their own class as long as the minimum number of entrants show up.

[Quasievil]

You will find that Motards dont want to run with F3 anyway, I dont.


Last year R6? the short track using the infield dummy grid was cool but we should get the same track time ie 6 laps on this track was kinda well short!
maybe that short track again but double the laps to 12............hell 10 would do.

[Billy]

I've posted about this in the Motard section but no-one has turned up to offer suggestions:(. The question is, why don't we get bigger Motard fields at the Actrix Winter Series? Personally I am a fan and have defended their inclusion for years but this is getting laughable given the size of the fields. Any realistic ideas about how we can draw them in, or do we write the class off and explore other options? I can hear The Bears pounding at the door, or perhaps the Post Post-Classics? Do we cancel the class and use the time for extra races in the other classes?

Seems simple enough too me.Run both classes together on the club circuit with a seperate flag for group 2,20 secs delay 8 laps.Incidentally according to the confirmed entries list,Pre 82 senior=1 entry,Pre82 junior=2 entries,125GP=8 entries,250 Minilites=5 entries.Incidentally,Dont mean too bring this up here,But owing to the fact I have emailed the club twice and received NO reply,What is happening with the wet tyre rule for 250 minilites,It needs to be cleared up ASAP,To avoid a dispute on race day

[Shorty_925]

I'll wait till after practice to find out what its like on a larger track on a motard...but they're a blast around kart tracks, and guessing the streets.

World Supermoto might be 1 class next year, but on these larger circuits they could be slightly different with the larger engines to a 450...maybe a circuit around the pits with some jumps for the supermotards..?

Every F3 rider that got passed by a motard must have hated that....of all things to get passed by.. :scooter:

[Quasievil]

Incidentally according to the confirmed entries list,Pre 82 senior=1 entry,Pre82 junior=2 entries,125GP=8 entries,250 Minilites=5 entries.

lol well thats interesting :crazy:

[Skunk]

Incidentally according to the confirmed entries list,Pre 82 senior=1 entry,Pre82 junior=2 entries,125GP=8 entries,250 Minilites=5 entries.
Kinda misleading Billy.
All the Posties run off one grid so the numbers are there .
Same with GP, Minilites and Streestock.
The point is there are only 4 entries in each Motard class - total of 8 on the grid.

That is the issue. 8 on the grid. They wanted their own grid. They got it.

Where are the bikes? Help solve the problem, don't point the finger.

[Shorty_925]

wanted their own grid or forced...? I thought those 'proper' bikes wanted them out of F3?..

[Quasievil]

That is the issue. 8 on the grid. They wanted their own grid. They got it.



9 now YAY for me !

[Crasherfromwayback]

9 now YAY for me !

Stop it...I may just have to buy some 17" rims for my 450 if you get too many and have too much fun!

[Billy]

Kinda misleading Billy.
All the Posties run off one grid so the numbers are there .
Same with GP, Minilites and Streestock.
The point is there are only 4 entries in each Motard class - total of 8 on the grid.

That is the issue. 8 on the grid. They wanted their own grid. They got it.

Where are the bikes? Help solve the problem, don't point the finger.
Point the finger???What planet are you on??I was merely pointing out that other classes are suffering as well,Maybe something to do with the recession maybe not.I dont see why the question needed to be asked on this forum when the solution is obvious as stated in my earlier post

[Quasievil]

Stop it...I may just have to buy some 17" rims for my 450 if you get too many and have too much fun!


nah you wont youre not good enough to race with us, I heard you where really slow.............................................. ......................






reverse Phsycology (however the fuck you spell it)

[Crasherfromwayback]

nah you wont youre not good enough to race with us, I heard you where really slow.............................................. ......................






reverse Phsycology (however the fuck you spell it)

I am. I crash a lot too!

[Quasievil]

I am. I crash a lot too!

Dam well that didnt work.
be good to see you on the track mate.

[Skunk]

Point the finger???What planet are you on??I was merely pointing out that other classes are suffering as well,Maybe something to do with the recession maybe not.I dont see why the question needed to be asked on this forum when the solution is obvious as stated in my earlier post
I read you wrong then. My apologies. I took your comment as meaning 'why isn't something being done about them'. Sorry.

I don't think you can use the slip road now - could be wrong though.

With all this rain has anyone checked it's not Lake Manfeild?

[Deano]

She'll be right by Saturday....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dam well that didnt work.
be good to see you on the track mate.

Yeah I fronted up at Taupo to see who was about doing what. Primarily went to support a friend of mine...but yeah...kinda made me want to see if I can still squeeze (big squeeze) into my leathers. We'll see. But road racing dirtbikes is how I started out...and I've always loved it.

[Skunk]

She'll be right by Saturday....

But Friday! Think of the Friday!

[Deano]

I don't have the luxury of test days mate.

[scracha]

Wot about throwing some cones in the middle of the longer straights to stop their motors blowing up?

Sorry...but the F3/Pro twins/125 grid is full as it is.

Kick em out and get the post post classics bikes out there.

[Billy]

I read you wrong then. My apologies. I took your comment as meaning 'why isn't something being done about them'. Sorry.

I don't think you can use the slip road now - could be wrong though.

No,Your not allowed to park up there while a race is in progress on the 2 longer circuits

[roadracingoldfart]

nah you wont youre not good enough to race with us, I heard you where really slow.............................................. ......................









reverse Phsycology (however the fuck you spell it)

Hes never been fast Quasi , its the choice of bike he uses.....:yawn:


I am. I crash a lot too!


Youve always been a bloody mid corner menace Pete :innocent::scooter:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hes never been fast Quasi , its the choice of bike he uses.....:yawn:




Youve always been a bloody mid corner menace Pete :innocent::scooter:

Only cause that's where I normally bin it!

[roadracingoldfart]

Only cause that's where I normally bin it!


Ahhhh , thats a cop out , we all learnt from crashing but you carried on longer , stamina i guess lol.

[Foxzee]

We need to get this thread back on track as it was posted guys...

[Shorty_925]

The first round had a decent number didnt it? Like Quasi suggested earlier, using the club circuit though with more laps getting the same track time.

Is Manfiled up for creating a track around the pits with a dirt section like Taupo has? Saw it on saturday, the berm before the step-up was just about completely covered in water.

[eelracing]

Ditch them if numbers aint coming in.

As per Scratchas point,introduce a post post classics class,call it pre 95 or 99 Evo's if you will and they will come.Worth a shot as motards have had there chance.

Theres a reason post classics and F3/superlights/twins are oversubscibed.
And it must bring in plenty of moolah for the club to boot.

As crasher stated,long straights and motards don't gel.They need heaps of corners and a dirt section to mix it up in.
Most of them are probably motoxing through winter anyway.

[Quasievil]

guys dont get pre occupied on the dirt thing, most (as far as im aware) dont like dirt, some do some dont and the donts outway the dos.

[Clivoris]

Seems simple enough too me.Run both classes together on the club circuit with a seperate flag for group 2,20 secs delay 8 laps.Incidentally according to the confirmed entries list,Pre 82 senior=1 entry,Pre82 junior=2 entries,125GP=8 entries,250 Minilites=5 entries.Incidentally,Dont mean too bring this up here,But owing to the fact I have emailed the club twice and received NO reply,What is happening with the wet tyre rule for 250 minilites,It needs to be cleared up ASAP,To avoid a dispute on race day

The other classes with low numbers aren't the same problem because they are run within other classes. Re the "No reply" Billy, I have previously explained that this is nothing to do with me. I have forwarded your e-mails and told those involved to get back to you. Please have a go at them and not at me. I can do no more.

Other points raised about introducing dirt sections. I don't know if we could and to be honest am not interested enough to check it out or do the work it would require. We have one occasional Motard rider I'm not convinced that it is what NZ Motard riders want either. I do have some sympathy with the idea of shorter straights and more corners being better and more attractive. Would this bring them out? Are there Motard riders passionate enough about it to use the extension during the short track rounds of the winter series?

Paeroa has a pretty bloody long straight. We have also had requests from Motard racers to run on the same circuit as the other bikes. When we ran the club circuit, I thought the motards did get more laps than the longer races?

I think I have counted 2 motard riders replying to this thread. Maybe the Motard racers don't subscribe to this site but this is an attempt to get some feedback from them. Maybe motard racing at the Actrix Winter Series just isn't attractive enough and they are voting with their feet?

[Sonykid]

How about adding BEARS to the existing Motard class?, They are all BEARS bikes anyway. This would give an opportunity to see some of the 100+ bears bikes that turn out to the Mothers Race day each year and should not take any more time, just bigger feilds in a class. Seems a bit of a luxury to have 5 or 6 Motards running around by themselves.

[sharky]

guys dont get pre occupied on the dirt thing, most (as far as im aware) dont like dirt, some do some dont and the donts outway the dos.


Really?

Why do you guys choose to ride a dirt bike then? (Honest question)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Really?

Why do you guys choose to ride a dirt bike then? (Honest question)

I'm all for getting dirty!

[Wannabiker]

.....bears......!

[Billy]

The other classes with low numbers aren't the same problem because they are run within other classes. Re the "No reply" Billy, I have previously explained that this is nothing to do with me. I have forwarded your e-mails and told those involved to get back to you. Please have a go at them and not at me. I can do no more.

Other points raised about introducing dirt sections. Maybe motard racing at the Actrix Winter Series just isn't attractive enough and they are voting with their feet?

Firstly Clive,I was not having a go at you,I know you have done everything within your power to rectify the situation.But I also recognise there are other Vic club commitee members that frequent this site and I thought it might bump them into a reply.Apparently not!!.I have spoken to Jim Tuckerman this morning and raised my concerns with him so hopefully neither of us need worry about it any further as it will be taken care of.

Secondly,You have clearly misunderstood my statement regarding the other classes,As I pointed out too Andrew,I was merely pointing out that other classes are also low on numbers and that it may possibly be due to the current economic climate.

Thirdly,Running a dirt section at Manfeild is not an option.Manawatu Orion experimented with running Moto X at the same meetings as roadrace back in 1978 to try and get more competitors and spectators to attend,(Yes shock horror,this problem is not a new one,Its been going on for 30 yrs,But thats a whole other story)And the resulting mess where the dirtbikes crossed the track(in between turns 3 & 4) was a complete disaster,especially when it rained and I seriously doubt Manfeild are gonna let motorcycles rip up their infeild anyway.
Hope this clears up those issues for you and good luck for the weekend

[Shorty_925]

There is the demand for dirt, thats why theyve gone out and created a series in Taupo.

As for running within the Vic series, maybe putting a few cones down a straight to slow it down and have the chance to back it into a corner could be a better option..? And same go's for running the back section of manfiled with buckets sounds a great idea, and like most things, problem being having enough helpers to run is the next problem.

[ajturbo]

Yes its slack and I agree we are on the verge of loosing the VMCC support.
Im coming on Saturday to btw (changed my mind)

Anyway there are 9 entries there should be way more but in its defence the issues are

1/ There arent as many motard racers out there as there are sportsbike riders. so you will usually get smaller feilds
2/ Some motarders (I said some) feel the longer tracks cook their engines and pipes (remember a Motard revs fuck loads higher than any sportsbike) for me I am fine with the bigger tracks.
3/ There is the distance thing most motarders I guess are Auckland?

Anyway here is what Im doing about it

Shortly I will be promoting a new website that will be 100% motards, it wont be super active as obviously its a smaller group, but it will provide a one stop shop for Motarders to go to in relation to events as well as racing tips etc etc etc, think KB but smaller.
I already have support from KTM nz as well as a bunch of other businesses and I believe it will also promote the sport.

Currently Motards are out on a limb and have no real unification, this is what I want to change.

So if I can ask VMCC to stick with it and hopefully we can turn it around for next year, in the meantime I will be doing what I can to get punters to the track.
thanks for this Q...

but it is THEIR/YOUR hands...


BEARS has been talked about......


go the BUELL...........

[ajturbo]

Wot about throwing some cones in the middle of the longer straights to stop their motors blowing up?

Sorry...but the F3/Pro twins/125 grid is full as it is.

Kick em out and get the post post classics bikes out there.
THIS is an interesting idea!!!!

more talking on this idea????

we would need a bit more time to put out cones..(5min??":???)

interesting idea matey

OH SHIT.. Bourbon glass MT....:angry:

[Kickaha]

And the resulting mess where the dirtbikes crossed the track(in between turns 3 & 4) was a complete disaster,especially when it rained and I seriously doubt Manfeild are gonna let motorcycles rip up their infeild anyway.
Hope this clears up those issues for you and good luck for the weekend

You could have them enter and exit on the old return road after splash so there would be no dirt onto the main circuit

[SWERVE]

Hey if ya want big "chook chaser" fields then move south.:scooter:
Every time they race down here the fields just get bigger & bigger (must have been 30+ at levels last weekend.):Punk:
Keeps growing like this and they will have to split the class to accomodate numbers.............oh just love it when us "southies' do something better than ya "northeners".:done:
Both levels & ruapuna have decent straights and i have never seen an engine failure yet........ lets face it if ya own a modern 4 stroke thumper you aint scared of maintanace.:shit:
However although i love them and would be there too if i could afford one, i cant see the attraction of racing a motard on a long track designed for road bikes/cars, it really needs an off road or technical section thrown in to sort the men from the boys. i believe this would also help to lure some of the motox boys.:bye: It was good to see some of the fast tarmac boys losing a bit of sweat on the small section at greymouth last year.:wari:
Also heard a rumour that the upgrade planned for Teretonga may include a tarmac of road type section with jumps /banked section etc...... like the european tracks have.:rockon:

[Billy]

You could have them enter and exit on the old return road after splash so there would be no dirt onto the main circuit

Yip,But that wouldnt give them access to the best part of the infeild and Manfeild wouldnt let it happen anyway so its probably a dead duck.The place has definitely taken a HUGE step backwards from the days Rob and Wendy Lester ran it

[ajturbo]

You could have them enter and exit on the old return road after splash so there would be no dirt onto the main circuit
fuck off mainlander

[Ivan]

Do not bung them in with F3 please just get rid of them to allow more track time for proper bikes.:finger:

I agree we in formula 3 have a full grid as it is and then allowing them in there is rediculous, The differences are huge liek you say lines also the fact the handle bars protude a long way out etc I have no problems with motards I just dont think that the class should be mix and matched with road and dirt.

[svs]

same thing happened with the sidecars.

I'm all for the motards, but if 9 entries across 2 classes is all we got then that's not good.

Are there other motard events on clashing with the VMCC rounds? How about the crowd up at tauramanui? (mind you when we thought all the riders we going there a few years ago, I called him, and he thought they were all coming to Manfeild! :) )

The motard guys have to spread the message. Give them fair warning to pick the numbers up (like the rest of the season) but if things don't improve then look at running something else next year - or better still - keep the existinf number of classes and go for more track time

[mossy1200]

THIS is an interesting idea!!!!

more talking on this idea????

we would need a bit more time to put out cones..(5min??":???)

interesting idea matey

OH SHIT.. Bourbon glass MT....:angry:Back straight cones out by the marshy before warm up lap , add front straight cones during the warm up lap.no lost time.Reduce them one lap for the extra time the race will take by slowing them mid straight and race will take same time.

[Peter Smith]

Back straight cones out by the marshy before warm up lap , add front straight cones during the warm up lap.no lost time.Reduce them one lap for the extra time the race will take by slowing them mid straight and race will take same time.

Cones are very dangerous, if a rider clips a cone or two into the path of the bikes behind there could be a nasty accident.
They talked about this at for Taupo before, but to try and ride over a cone while in a corner would certainly end in tears.

[svs]

Cones are very dangerous, if a rider clips a cone or two into the path of the bikes behind there could be a nasty accident.
They talked about this at for Taupo before, but to try and ride over a cone while in a corner would certainly end in tears.

It was how it was done a few years ago.

Like Peter said, riders just clip the cones and send em flying, and then ride through them after a lap or two. Didn't work. Now if you filled them with concrete :devil2: (only kidding)

[Peter Smith]

It was how it was done a few years ago.

Like Peter said, riders just clip the cones and send em flying, and then ride through them after a lap or two. Didn't work. Now if you filled them with concrete :devil2: (only kidding)

Now your talking. Add some spikes and a few land mines and then I'd come to watch.:Punk:

[GaZBur]

I'm surprised they don't have the support. Last weekend at levels I think there were at least 15-20, didn't count but if someone knows some more precise number then pipe up. They are usually a well subscribed class at all tracks down here so I'm unsure why they aren't as popular up north!

You are actually way out at 15-20. That is more like the regular number we have seen at Teretonga recently. Last weekend at Levels there were 31 Motards. Every time I ride there is a new guy or gal on a Motard. If it keeps growing at this rate there may be a need to run S1 and S2 seperately. I believe the reason they are populsr is because down here we get to race at least 2 events a month so the interest is kept up.

[racer40]

we usually get a big feild of motards at the TRRS, 29 last year, 32 in 07 with no dirt section & expecting another healthy grid this year

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

upturned plastic cones on the track aint gonna upset a dirtbike im sorry to inform. they would however stuff up a roadbike

[flame]

Think of the BEAR's Clive, think of the BEAR's :Punk::)

I know of quite a few NOT competing this year at VMCC, but given there own class they would be there with bells on (myself included)

Some of us are already working hard to bring BEARs back to the North Island. A little help from VMCC could go a very long way :rockon:

[crazefox]

yeah clive bring back BEARS you good man

[crazefox]

and not the bear you drink either cause that is bad

[SWERVE]

I agree flame.
Dont think you would have problem with grid numbers if VMCC had a BEARs class.
Think you might be surprised how many "southerners" you attracted too.
GOOD LUCK

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

Like they were attracted at the nationals when VMMC did support BEARS and about 5 bikes grided up?

[sinfull]

Like they were attracted at the nationals when VMMC did support BEARS and about 5 bikes grided up?

That wasn't bears, that was dukes lol ! but we're talking club racing, not national support classes !

[flame]

Like they were attracted at the nationals when VMMC did support BEARS and about 5 bikes grided up?

awww meh! we've already been over that in another thread. There were MANY reasons why only a few turned up for the Open Twins class at Nats. BEARs is another story altogether:Punk:.

[scracha]

Not many motards turned up again. :innocent:

[Quasievil]

upturned plastic cones on the track aint gonna upset a dirtbike im sorry to inform. they would however stuff up a roadbike

And what do you base that on?

[ajturbo]

Not many motards turned up again. :innocent:
and Quassi binned it...:niceone:

[Sonykid]

yeah clive bring back BEARS you good man

Another Vote for BEARS in VMCC Club racing. Why not give it a go on a trial Basis?

[ajturbo]

Another Vote for BEARS in VMCC Club racing. Why not give it a go on a trial Basis?
i think the Vic club wont change anything till next season....

but hey, would would i know?

[Billy]

i think the Vic club wont change anything till next season....

but hey, would would i know?

FUCK ALL Me thinks,Bwahahahaha

[Quasievil]

As I understand it this thread is about , Why not so many Motards, not lets get rid of Motards and throw in something else.

You need 8 to race and we had at least 9 so thats a race, get over it people.

Plans are in place to get more numbers so stop dancing around trying to stick a noose rope on our class please.

[Sonykid]

Actually Quasi, I think you will find the original post had a much wider focus than you are suggesting, Yes this is about why so few Motards are racing but also about options for change and efforts to increase the numbers.

It seems perfectly justifiable under the circumstances for those of us with BEARS bikes and nowhere to ride them competitively to have a crack at getting some track time with VMCC.

In the mean time maybe you could, along with your 8 motard buddies, sign up for some of the new motard races being held at Taupo!.

So far there are more people putting there hands up for BEARS than Motards here although I have suggested you could run Both in a BEARS class as us BEARS riders are not too fussy.


:no:

[Quasievil]

Actually Quasi, I think you will find the original post had a much wider focus than you are suggesting, Yes this is about why so few Motards are racing but also about options for change and efforts to increase the numbers.

It seems perfectly justifiable under the circumstances for those of us with BEARS bikes and nowhere to ride them competitively to have a crack at getting some track time with VMCC.

In the mean time maybe you could, along with your 8 motard buddies, sign up for some of the new motard races being held at Taupo!.

So far there are more people putting there hands up for BEARS than Motards here although I have suggested you could run Both in a BEARS class as us BEARS riders are not too fussy.


:no:

I think if you read through the posts you will notice lots of negative attitudes towards Motards, its the same kinda attitude that exists for Sidecars.
Motards are referred to in many negative ways with names like retards chook chasers etc, whilst I dont really care (sticks n bones etc) I think a bit of respect from sportsbike riders in acknowledging the other classes wouldnt go a miss (frankly speaking)

If the numbers dont go up in VMCC fine flag it, but constructive comments would be a better form for this subject matter.

[Shorty_925]

Sonny, whats wrong with signing up to the F1 or F2 classes...?

Personally speaking, it wasnt much fun racing out there, track is just too open for motards(in my opnion). My fault (undergeared), and wasnt prepeared to just sit on the rev limiter waiting for the next corner to arrive, so practiced backing it into turn one(though to limited success) in race 1, and for me tighter tracks and sliding the rear around is more fun for myself than what those faster turns are.

[steve74]

I only just noticed this thread, im not sure about the north island but in the south there are a lot of winter series motocross and enduro racing this time of year and seen as 80 percent of our motard boys race on the dirt there is no point in organising anything on the tarmac until the summer. We race Motards at our local kart track and just cant get anyone to turn up. however come labour weekend and the Greymouth street race and we have to turn them away. we had 40+ entries last year. It seems once the dirt wheels come off and the slicks go on then they have Greymouth street race, Burt Munroe, Nelson street race and a few at ruapuna and levels between october and janurary. this is when we realy see them in force down this way.

just what ive noticed anyway

[TK3]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........

[ajturbo]

FUCK ALL Me thinks,Bwahahahaha
:spanking:... hahahahahah

[ajturbo]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........
please send this to the vic club if you would like a reply...

[TK3]

please send this to the vic club if you would like a reply...

I'm answering the question that was asked at the start of the thread, sorry I'm answering for myself other riders may or may not have a different view but that is what I thought about it.

[Quasievil]

I'm answering the question that was asked at the start of the thread, sorry I'm answering for myself other riders may or may not have a different view but that is what I thought about it.

Yeah thats a good point actually TK3, respect to VMCC of course but as a constructive thing the above is correct, we also raced with the 125s as well.

I remember coming into the pits to be greeted with a black flag, the "offical" stopped us all and told us "this is a road racing event and you are not allowed to put your leg out (only motards raced) if you do it again the race will be stopped.

Shit like that and the above probably didnt inspire many to return, so perhaps a certain clarity from VMCC would be the go to boost it next year?

[slowpoke]

I'd like to race BEARS myself one day, if I can get my mitts on a suitable bike, but it's hard to argue the case for a separate BEARS race when there are already classe(s) available for BEARS bikes to race in. How would you even run it? Somebody on an old 2 valve 400 Duc with 45hp on track at the same time as a 170hp 1198 Duc....YIKES! Much better to organise dedicated BEARS events with appropriate classes, I reckon.

To my mind the problem is Manfeild just isn't a good track to race at on a motard. The best circuit would be the track extension only, but that sucks for spectators (and therefore sponsors) and they'd soon get the shits and head for the gate. Taupo long circuit is much the same I guess, with motards allergic to that back straight. Which explains why they get better numbers darnsarf as the tracks look to be a bit more motard friendly.

I dunno what the answer is. It's all very well to say we should run Post Post Classic's or BEARS but I can just see the same situation as last years Manfeild Nat's where when all was said and done, more was said than done when it actually came time to front up.

My feeling is that if someone really wants to race then they will already be racing, you won't all of a sudden get a whole lot of new people come crawling out of the woodwork dusting off old bikes if a new class is created.

Good luck Clive!

[Skunk]

Shit like that and the above probably didnt inspire many to return, so perhaps a certain clarity from VMCC would be the go to boost it next year?
Not VMCC, you need MNZ to clarify it.
VMCC runs to MNZ rules.
VMCC (or any other club) doesn't make or enforce the rules.

[Clivoris]

I think it also had to do with how things were run last year with the motard races, I think we could all agree that it was a mess, i raced in every round last and every race, none of the riders knew what was the go until turned up on the day and even then it changed on the starting grid... Short track in reverse, long track, short track, were in with F3,. now were not, legs out, no legs out.... make a rule and stick with it. Last year we had between 15 and 30 riders to each round and in the last round when we were all lined up and told we weren't allowed to put our legs out I know three guys that left before the round started. No other group of rider get treated this way and if they did they would turn up either, we payed the same entry fee as every one else so why were we treated so differently.?...........( as he gets down from his soapbox)...........

This type of feedback is exactly what I need to hear. We could do very well to be more consistent. One of the difficulties we have are that sometimes the MNZ rules are open to interpretation and unfortunately, misunderstanding and it is the steward who always has the final say on the day. I think it is understood now that motards can enter F3 if they ride foot-up style. VMCC have supplementary regs that rule motards out of other classes because that is the way we wanted it. To change this we would need to go back to MNZ and get our events re-permitted. We figure give motards their own class and try to please more people. In motard only races, leg out is perfectly legit. This is really good food for thought. Thanks.

[Billy]

Not VMCC, you need MNZ to clarify it.
VMCC runs to MNZ rules.
VMCC (or any other club) doesn't make or enforce the rules.

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????

[sinfull]

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????
Something to do with the vic club has obviously got up your nose Billy !
I have read a number of your posts and have found all to be constructive, this sort of stuff (public dissing) don't sound like you mate !

[Skunk]

REALLY!!! Superbikes with 600s,Supersport with F3,125&250gp bikes,Minilite 250,Pre89 post classic bikes with 2000 or later bodywork,No check helmet strap board held up prior to every official practice or race,Wet tyre rule at Taupo that cost Pete Sales the Post classic junior No1 plate ????
Billy - you should know that the wet tyre rule at Taupo has nothing to do with the Vic Club.
We do hold the Check Hement Strap board up (as well as check them ourselves).

[Billy]

Something to do with the vic club has obviously got up your nose Billy !
I have read a number of your posts and have found all to be constructive, this sort of stuff (public dissing) don't sound like you mate !

All i am doing here Bill is pointing out the facts,It has nothing to do with a vendetta against the vic club,I think they do a very good job of running their series and the people involved are all good enthusiastic people who are doing the best they can.But to get on a public forum and confuse everybody with a misaligned statement as Andrew has done here is not going to help anyone.Has it crossed anybodys mind that this could be part of the reason for low numbers in some classes ??Not that I seriously think it is but has anybody asked the riders that question ??The problem Ive found with these forum thingys is,If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.

[Billy]

Billy - you should know that the wet tyre rule at Taupo has nothing to do with the Vic Club.
We do hold the Check Hement Strap board up (as well as check them ourselves).

1 If the wet tyre rule at Taupo had nothing to do with the Vic club,Then why was it you were seen actively enforcing it.Of course it has something to do with the Vic club,You guys are running the meeting,As an official you should know the rulebook inside out.
2 If you are now holding the check helmet strap board up,As the rulebook states you must,Then it must only have started this past weekend as at rd 2 I had to remind of it.While its a bloody good idea to check them if you have sufficient time and manpower,But essentially its not your responsibility to physically check them however it is the grid marshalls responsibility too ensure that board is held up!
Once again you have misunderstood the post.If you cant read that post and think,Oh yea hes right,Maybe we dont run exactly too the rulebook because weve got supp regs,Maybe we need to be more clear about some of our rulings,Then thats your problem not mine

[sinfull]

The problem Ive found with these forum thingys is,If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.
Fair enough Billy, i don't really know enough to comment on anything else, but agree with you re how comments usually get constued as negative and i appologise !

[Billy]

Fair enough Billy, i don't really know enough to comment on anything else, but agree with you re how comments usually get constued as negative and i appologise !

No apology needed,Everybodys entitled too an opinion.If I dont say it,Who will? and the same goes for anybody else on a public forum

[Skunk]

1 If the wet tyre rule at Taupo had nothing to do with the Vic club,Then why was it you were seen actively enforcing it.Of course it has something to do with the Vic club,You guys are running the meeting,As an official you should know the rulebook inside out.But if the MNZ Steward tells the club to do something at a meeting we MUST do it. You must know that...

2 If you are now holding the check helmet strap board up,As the rulebook states you must,Then it must only have started this past weekend as at rd 2 I had to remind of it.I'm late holding it up once and now we don't do it? Come on... Anyway the rule states it must be shown to the riders. Nothing about holding it up at all.

While its a bloody good idea to check them if you have sufficient time and manpower,But essentially its not your responsibility to physically check them however it is the grid marshalls responsibility too ensure that board is held up!We have to check the back protectors anyway...

Once again you have misunderstood the post.If you cant read that post and think,Oh yea hes right,Maybe we dont run exactly too the rulebook because weve got supp regs,Maybe we need to be more clear about some of our rulings,Then thats your problem not mineMy problem is you post all these issues here on this forum (in a thread about Motards and why they aren't turning up) and we don't see them coming to the Club by any official channel.

I'm sick of people taking pot-shots at VOLUNTEERS at every chance.

[Billy]

But if the MNZ Steward tells the club to do something at a meeting we MUST do it. You must know that...
I'm late holding it up once and now we don't do it? Come on... Anyway the rule states it must be shown to the riders. Nothing about holding it up at all.
We have to check the back protectors anyway...
My problem is you post all these issues here on this forum (in a thread about Motards and why they aren't turning up) and we don't see them coming to the Club by any official channel.

I'm sick of people taking pot-shots at it's VOLUNTEERS at every chance.

Have a word too yourself mate.You stated earlier in the thread you run to MNZ rules,All I did was point out that you dont and why I thought you didnt.If you dont want people taking popshots at you DONT tell porkies!! and furthermore I have sent a number of emails to the club regarding my concerns and not 1 bit of feedback not too mention countless hours on the phone to Dee Wintle,Clive Banks,Trevor Delaney and Paul Booth when he was on the commitee.Oh by the way,If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler???HAVE A NICE DAY

[Skunk]

If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler?
Yes, we'd have to. He's in control. I wouldn't agree - but I'd have to do it.

Sorry if we don't follow every rule to the letter but we'd like people to enjoy themselves. We do the best a small bunch of (mostly) unthanked, unpaid, volunteers can.

Seems we fall well short of expectation. Perhaps we should ALL give it up until we can do it right?

Thanks for pointing out a few things we are getting wrong. I'll note them down for the next committee meeting.

Now, what were the reasons Motards are not turning up?

[Sparky Bills]

Have a word too yourself mate.You stated earlier in the thread you run to MNZ rules,All I did was point out that you dont and why I thought you didnt.If you dont want people taking popshots at you DONT tell porkies!! and furthermore I have sent a number of emails to the club regarding my concerns and not 1 bit of feedback not too mention countless hours on the phone to Dee Wintle,Clive Banks,Trevor Delaney and Paul Booth when he was on the commitee.Oh by the way,If the MNZ steward told you a metre was 300mm long I assume youd shorten your ruler???HAVE A NICE DAY


This really isnt the thread for this.
It started off asking what is to be done with the motard class. Keep it going or not.
These guys/girls are all giving up their time for us. If you keep pushing them they will simply turn around and say why do I even bother...
Just let it go and let the thread get back on topic.

[ajw_888]

I'd be there in a flash but I'm a little short at the mo.

[slowpoke]

If you write something that could be taken as either Negative or Positive,It always seems to be construed as negative.

I reckon time, place and tone have sumthin' to do with it.

Take this thread for example, any of your posts could probably be seen as fair comments but taken in total, combined with the public off topic nature would lead someone to assume, rightly or wrongly, that you aren't happy with the way VMCC are running things.

Not having a go, just reread a few posts and pretend you are a VMCC volounteer....

Personally I reckon they do a great job, and to expect unpaid volounteers who help out at 6 events (some would do less than that) a year to know the nuances of every rule is just unreasonable. It's club racing after all, with both officials and riders learning and improving as we go. All you can ask is that people do their best and cut 'em a bit of slack when things don't quite go to plan.

Not holding up a "check helmet strap" board occasionally is getting a bit nit picky dontcha think? If a rider has to be told how to wear a helmet there's sumthin' wrong. To VMCC's credit I've never gone on track without having to lift my head to show the strap or had a love tap on the back checking my back protector.

But referring all this back to motards, which the thread is about, all classes experience the ups and downs of club racing. I can recall Nick Prestige and someone else in F2 also caught out at Taupo by the tricky conditions/wet weather rules and missing a race because of it, so motards aren't experiencing anything unique. Nick and co sucked it up and fronted up at the next round, so the question remains: where are the motards and why aren't they racing?

My feeling is that full circuits are seen as boring to motard riders (if you wanted to keep the wheels in line you'd buy a road bike wouldntcha?) and hard on the machines. All of which just goes to show how frikkin' special that big beautiful boy Quasi really is......

[TK3]

This type of feedback is exactly what I need to hear. We could do very well to be more consistent. One of the difficulties we have are that sometimes the MNZ rules are open to interpretation and unfortunately, misunderstanding and it is the steward who always has the final say on the day. I think it is understood now that motards can enter F3 if they ride foot-up style. VMCC have supplementary regs that rule motards out of other classes because that is the way we wanted it. To change this we would need to go back to MNZ and get our events re-permitted. We figure give motards their own class and try to please more people. In motard only races, leg out is perfectly legit. This is really good food for thought. Thanks.

Welcome, I am actually in great support of the Vic club meetings and have found them to be, by far the best run club meetings in New Zealand... well the north island anyway, you guys do an awesome job and it was great to see this year that you have varied thing up a lot with the tracks and short and long race meets, I was disappointed last year with how the motards were treated like second class citer... ceters.... cieterson.... people. But glad to see a post like this to sort things out. Big ups for putting your hands up. All and all I think keep doing what your doing except make sure everyone comes to see the motards race cause deep down we all know everyone jealous of us cause we are the best...:Punk:

Ps I am back racing at the next round:headbang:

[gatch]

From a spectator point of view I am not much of a fan of the motards. At manfield anyway...

I know that the numbers are sufficient to form a grid but with 3km of track to spread out over and the bikes not being suited to extended periods of wide open throttle, it does not make for very good viewing. Please note I am not just taking a shot at the competitiors just because, I just thought I would throw in a voice from a different angle..

[roadracingoldfart]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

[Quasievil]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.



I tap mine out to ten tenths and I have never had a issue, its setup correctly and tuned correctly so bring it on I say.
One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.

[roadracingoldfart]

I tap mine out to ten tenths and I have never had a issue, its setup correctly and tuned correctly so bring it on I say.
One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.


Eggsackly .... !!!

And we all know a Motard with a sack of spuds on it goes really fast down the 10/10ths straight aye .:laugh:
I aint ever seen a 4 stroke crap its load due to that sort of work , a 2 stroke yes , when ya back off for the first turn haha.

I hate creative reasoning to create a scapegoat.

[Kickaha]

One year racing and nothing damaged as a result either.

Not even crash damage?:shifty:

[Shorty_925]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

The chances of it going bang are higher. The bikes werent designed to be tapped out for long periods, as you simply cant do that on a motox track . Yes if geared correctly then wouldnt have to worry, unlike myself on saturday, where i was under geared so finding the limiter far too early and im not about to sit on the limiter and wait for my bike to say enough. Maintenance levels were set for the bike being raced at motox, not open road race tracks, so to be on the safe side instead of saying good bye to a load of cash.

[roadracingoldfart]

The chances of it going bang are higher. The bikes werent designed to be tapped out for long periods, as you simply cant do that on a motox track . Yes if geared correctly then wouldnt have to worry, unlike myself on saturday, where i was under geared so finding the limiter far too early and im not about to sit on the limiter and wait for my bike to say enough. Maintenance levels were set for the bike being raced at motox, not open road race tracks, so to be on the safe side instead of saying good bye to a load of cash.


My initial reaction to your post is ...... "my bike isnt suitable to road racing "

but ill re-read it before i post a reply , ok.

Paul.

[gatch]

I just counted the threads with referance to "a Motard cant hold a full throttle down a big long straight " theme.

I want to know , why is it people think a modern 4stroke multi valve single cant hold a full throttle for half the bloody island ??.

If its geared correctly and jetted well then i would have severe issues with any brand engine not holding together.

Seriously , are we expected to accept all single 4 strokes are time bombs with 30 second throw away pistons ??

If that was the ratio then a ducati would only last 1 min before it blows and we all know they stopped chucking cases in about 1990 lol.

Paul.

Sorry if my post was not clear, I do not mean to imply that they CAN'T, just that they are not intended for this purpose as are other race bikes.

[scracha]

Sorry if my post was not clear, I do not mean to imply that they CAN'T, just that they are not intended for this purpose as are other race bikes.

So basically we've to shorten the track (cones) for 8 or 9 bikes that no other class particularly wants to race with ? Honestly, as much as I feel sorry for Quasi and the other guys that do make the effort to turn up, if they don't start showing up in numbers then they should be ditched IMHO. If Manfield is too long for them then they should be racing around car parks.

[Shorty_925]

Carparks would be good but with 7 day trading that we have here there isnt really the chance, though a night race around a mitre10 mega seems like a good thought...

[tee]

136539

public roads are fine too.....

[Sketchy_Racer]

I'm of the opinion of that if there aren't enough entry's for a class regardless of the type of class then they need to be removed, that is if they can't be put into another class. The only class motards would really fit into at a VMCC meeting is F3, which is usually fully subscribed anyway, and it certainly wouldn't be fair to toss the F3 riders out of their class to fit motards in now would it!
Motards have there place, without a doubt and do make a good cross over from MX to road racing, but I don't think the VMCC series is the one to do it. They run road race series, and have done there best to accomodate the motards. However there is a motard only race series being started soon I believe which will be really good for the sport!

Cheers,

-Glen

[Deano]

it certainly wouldn't be fair to toss the F3 riders out of their class to fit motards in now would it!
Motards have there place,

I agree Glenn. Not much in life is fair, and personally I would like to see Motards going the same way as overseas - that is a combination of dirt and tar - it was great to watch at Wangas a couple of years ago.

Anything less seems to be a second cousin to the "real thing". I would be interested to see how many MXers/motarders would cross over if the Motard class was a combination of dirt/tar.

It may not be practicable at Manfeild if they are going to bring dirt back onto the track but surely there is some common ground to work on here ?

[Clivoris]

I think that the logic of what Glen, Deano and others are saying is pretty sensible. It does however seem that the VMCC could be doing some things better. We need some input this season at the committee level from Motardeers about what would work. I hear the call for more consistency in rule application and I think we have it sorted now. Which circuit we race is another issue, as we have had Motardeers request the same circuit as the others. Can't please everyone I guess. More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.
I really appreciate the input in this thread people. Thanks.

[slowpoke]

. More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.



That is the best idea I've heard so far, and I'd definitely go along to watch.

[Skunk]

More and more I'm thinking that tarmac oriented Motardeers would do well to get alongside bucket racers.
Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.

[Clivoris]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.

Oh bugger. I should have known it was too simple.

[ajturbo]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.
we have looked at the possibility of using the back circuit along side the 150's... but it would need a duplicate race committee... are there enough motardeers and 150's supports to do this????

[Pumba]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

We do let the Motards run up here at Mt Welly on the oval, great to watch, but there have been less of them turning up over the last year.

I know they run at Tamuranui Kart Track, which has the dedicated off road section (short but it is off road). Do they run at Roys Hills??

But I agree motard would be no fun at the slipway, and I wouldnt like to see them using Kaitoke after all the effort that has gone in by the welly crew.

My $0.02 anyway.

[Crasherfromwayback]

we have looked at the possibility of using the back circuit along side the 150's... but it would need a duplicate race committee... are there enough motardeers and 150's supports to do this????

The problem is as old as I am. I started racing moto-x bikes on tar...to decide if I liked road racing enough to wanna do it properly. I did...and did. BUT...I was lucky. There were heaps of street racing circuits happening then. I raced at Masterton, Gisborne, Auckland and Wanganui. Before my time there was Taihape, Onekawa and Lyall Bay. I rode a KX500 at Manfeild a couple of times...and it sucked arse. So...I guess I'm saying that as a guy that still loves road racing a modified dirtbikes...it's just how it is. Proper road racing tracks are hard on dirt bikes and boring if you're on one...and it's not the organizers fault we choose to ride mud bikes!

You guys and Gals that wanna road race dirt bikes...get together and organize a decent street circuit with lots of 90 degree corners...short straights...and bumps...and we'll once again give those tar babies a scare!

Till then..stop fucking moaning and leave the organizers in peace.

As you were.

P

[steveyb]

As much as he can wind up some people, what Pete says here makes alot of sense.
Perhaps if the Motarders support the meetings at Taupo this month and September, more organisers might think it is worth getting into.

Enjoy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As much as he can wind up some people, what Pete says here makes alot of sense.
.

Eh? Me? Wind people up? Sheeeeesh mate...that hurts!

[Skunk]

Eh? Me? Wind people up? Sheeeeesh mate...that hurts!
I see see you in pain now...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I see see you in pain now...

Oh you know it mate! I'm hurting real bad. I joined this site to make new friends seeing as I have none in the real world. Gonna go and have a boohoo now.

[roadracingoldfart]

Oh you know it mate! I'm hurting real bad. I joined this site to make new friends seeing as I have none in the real world. Gonna go and have a boohoo now.



Pete youve never had friends , Even Johnny B told me your a coont. He laughted rite after so i dont know what that meant lol. :innocent: :shutup:

[RDjase]

We do let the Motards run up here at Mt Welly on the oval, great to watch, but there have been less of them turning up over the last year.

I know they run at Tamuranui Kart Track, which has the dedicated off road section (short but it is off road). Do they run at Roys Hills??

But I agree motard would be no fun at the slipway, and I wouldnt like to see them using Kaitoke after all the effort that has gone in by the welly crew.

My $0.02 anyway.

Yes , they run at roys hill, there is a meeting on today, seem to get good numbers of Buckets and Tards, lots of out of towners too

[Shorty_925]

Heres a view of the volumes that turned up today at Roys Hill.

[Clivoris]

Heres a view of the volumes that turned up today at Roys Hill.

Not bad at all. Well done for putting it on. How'd that guy riding his front wheel go? Am I missing out a new launch technique?

[Shorty_925]

It worked, he almost got the holeshot!

[That Guy]

looks cools I had planned to be there but still waiting for parts. Next time I hope!

[TK3]

Heres a view of the volumes that turned up today at Roys Hill.

When's the next race???

[DELLORTO]

just go on the pmcc website

[Sonykid]

There is a Motard only event at Taupo on Sunday 9th August and another on the 12th September for thoses interested. Organised hy Honda Riders Club as far as I can tell.

[Shorty_925]

When's the next race???

Next is 4th of October(thought will double check). You can check out some photos in the Motard fourm from yesterday as well. Alot of the guys there were the usual bunch and some new. Most of the guys from yesterday are racing at taupo this weekend.

[TK3]

Next is 4th of October(thought will double check). You can check out some photos in the Motard fourm from yesterday as well. Alot of the guys there were the usual bunch and some new. Most of the guys from yesterday are racing at taupo this weekend.
Are you still able to register??

[Shorty_925]

Best to contact: rob@hrcnz.co.nz

[slowpoke]

Where? Slipway won't work. Kaitoke and many other kart tracks - no way.

Back circuit at Manfeild? Have to talk to Manfeild about that - can't see it though.

Good idea but I doubt it's workable without some real effort.


We do let the Motards run up here at Mt Welly on the oval, great to watch, but there have been less of them turning up over the last year.

I know they run at Tamuranui Kart Track, which has the dedicated off road section (short but it is off road). Do they run at Roys Hills??

But I agree motard would be no fun at the slipway, and I wouldnt like to see them using Kaitoke after all the effort that has gone in by the welly crew.

My $0.02 anyway.

What's the problem with running at the facilities mentioned above? The only decent motard racing I've seen was at a kart track in WA and it was fuggin' brilliant.

[sinfull]

Oily rag minutes !!

Motards to be advised to increase their numbers or BEARS will replace them. Questions as to why the drop off. No answers.

Polishes up his triumph badge !!!!

[ajturbo]

hope it not your belt buckle your talking about....

OH and WATCH out for a better handling buell passing near you any day soon..