Did I overstep an imaginery mark?

[Biff]

Many of you may have dared to take a look a rather disturbing set of photos in a thread I posted today. While my original post was loaded with warnings, some people, possibly out of insatiable/morbid human curiosity, continued to open the images and have since complained that I probably shouldn't have posted them here.

I guess the question is - Is it ok to post these kinds of images here providing that you all receive ample warning that you may be offended by the images, therefore enabling you to decide for yourself whether you'd like to see them or not?

While I fully appreciate that some people may be offended by such images, my personal opinion is that providing people receive ample warning then they can decide for themselves whether or not they wish to view them. Images of naked ladies appear to be acceptable by most people, but I'm sure that there are some people here that would rather not view them, and even find them offensive. If the fear is that minors may view the kinds of images I posted today, then surely the same principle applies to images of nude ladies, or guys for that matter, doesn't it?

I appreciate that I now run the risk of getting a severe ear bashing from those member of KB that found the photos offensive, but I'd appreciate some feedback from both sides.

Thanks.

[Holy Roller]

Not exactly cricket
If one wants or needs to view such images they can do so at their own leisure. However My computer at home and at work has a blocking programme to exclude offensive material. I am by no means a prude, six years in the navy with porn of every variety being shown at breakfast while at sea, leaves little to shock me. How ever my children on the other hand have not been exposed to any such material in our home and I prefer it to stay that way.

Links to such sites would be blocked but the attachments even though I have selected R18 option it does not stop anyone from clicking and viewing.

If such posts must be made maybe just add a link to the site :whistle:
These things tend to get a bit carried away if some constraint is not shown or expected.

[Mr Skid]

Personally, I try to only start a thread if I feel it will somehow contribute to the site.

If I come across some new information that I think might be pertinent to members I'll post that. Likewise, if I've been for a ride and have some stories to tell I'll post that. If I've got a question to ask, or want to organise a ride, I'll start a thread too.

I personally find posts such the one in question irrelevant to the site, and it doesn't meet my criteria of what is a useful contribution. However there are a number of posts made that I consider to be frivelous, but judging by the number of replies other members disagree, and I believe the thread in question is no exception.

[madboy]

Biff, I personally have no issue with the piccies... but then my daughter doesn't even know how to turn this notebook on, and went to bed 5 hours ago anyway.

I can easily understand HR's view, though, and if perhaps I could suggest this as a similar case to an overcooked corner - in a touch too hard, looking at that rapidly approaching white line leading next to 12 inches of gravel, grass and a ditch/fenceline... but the corner opens just in time and you come out of it wondering WTF? it seemed like such a good idea 5 seconds ago??

Two results occur - you either realise that you got a little close to the limit there and perhap next time you'll approach it differently, or you think it was farking marvellous, can't wait to tell the boys how you nearly binned it doing some heroic act bla bla bla... depends on the individual doesn't it?

Shit, who am I to get on my high horse??!! I am not fit to pass judgement!!

[Teflon]

You had warnings, so i can't see why theres a problem.

[What?]

First issue is that there have been posts here in the past headed by such warnings AS A JOKE. How is anyone supposed to tell the difference?
Secondly BB, there is a huge difference between nudity and pornography (and whatever category that one belongs to). From comments read here over the last couple of years or so, I would guess that few here have a problem with simple nudity (unless it is at work), but many have an issue with pornographic or sick images.
IMO if you feel a need to post stuff like this, there are many far more suitable websites for you to do just that.

[FROSTY]

Biff I have an issue with it but for totally a totally unrelated reason.
I'm in a tenuous position with my ex wife. Custody issues and so fourth
The lawyer fellas just love finding links to porn sites -it "proves" Im some sorta pervert -I'm being paranoid I know but I don't wanna take the risk.
On a personal basis I couldn't care less

[betti]

its all good Biff, freedom of speech and all that eh? :niceone:

[Lucyloo]

There was plenty of warning! Me, being a naturally nosey person, still had to look.
Didn't offend me, but probably not the place for such a topic.
L.

[Racey Rider]

I chose to read the thread without opening the image.
That gave me a feel for weather it was bad, or just a joke.
Thankyou for the warnings. It didn't sound like something I wanted to see, so I didn't.

Haveing said that,, Theres enough junk posted on the site already.
My feelings are, That stuff is not needed or beneficial on KB.

[speedpro]

I don't understand why you'd bother posting stuff like that. As innocent (and weird) as they may be I can just imagine the headlines if the general media got hold of the idea there were images like that on a 'biker' web site.

The question is - why bother?

Personally I can do without them, anywhere, but especially here. Thanks.

[**R1**]

IMO, it had ample warning.......and at the end of the day its a reflection of the fucked up world we live in......but each to their own.

[vifferman]

I chose to not look at the pictures, but did have a quick read of some of the content of the posts. Mind you, I wouldn't have bothered even doing that if I wasn't bored and trying to fill in a long and tedious day.

Personally, I don't see the point in posting stuff like that on here, as it doesn't add anything of value to the site, and if anything it tends to degrade the overall 'flavour' the site has as a (primarily) motorcycling forum. That's not to say that anything not directly related to motorcycling shouldn't be posted on here - in fact, I believe all kinds of discussions of non-MC stuff should be included. F'rinstance, there have been posts of a personal nature on here that have helped people get useful advice or allowed them to vent in a healthy way.

However, I think that unpleasant, sordid or otherwise objectionable material doesn't really benefit anyone, so it doesn't have a place here.

[MSTRS]

Personally I couldn't care less. However as others have said, this is a site for bikers and as such is not really the place for these sort of images etc. Nudity & graphic images are fine in the context of getting a laugh or getting across a serious message (as in the Aussie Gixxer crash) but the one that prompted this thread is utterly irrelevant to anything that KB is about IMO

[Biff]

Thanks all.
Although the pole has only been running for a short there is a definite split appearing, albeit a pretty much 50/50 one. As the number of people that have voted and stated views that clearly indicate a wish that they'd prefer I hadn't posted these images I'll refrain from posting this kind of stuff again. I'lve also removed the offending image.

But to all those people that looked, took offence and still whinged I've no sympathy for you whatsoever. What more warning do you need ? A forking flashing neon sign, rabid dogs guarding the thread & land mines?

Thanks again to everyone for your constructive feedback. :niceone:

[Maximus]

Thanks all.
Although the pole has only been running for a short there is a definite split appearing, albeit a pretty much 50/50 one. As the number of people that have voted and stated views that clearly indicate a wish that they'd prefer I hadn't posted these images I'll refrain from posting this kind of stuff again. I'll also ask the moderators to remove the images.

Thanks again for your constructive feedback. :niceone:
Man im just gutted that the bloody "mail marshall" at my new job wont even allow me to look EVEN IF I WANTED TO!!!

[Waylander]

Didn't offend me, so I'm one of those that don't care I do however think that it shouldn't have been posted on KB. I think of this site as sort of a living and evolving net version of an easyriders mag so nudity is fine but anything like those pics just isn't right. Just my thoughts on it.

[Lou Girardin]

Some people love to be offended. If you're warned and still read it don't complain, GROW UP

[Maximus]

Some people love to be offended. If you're warned and still read it don't complain, GROW UP
So very very true! . . . . . .

[pyrocam]

I chose to not look at the pictures, but did have a quick read of some of the content of the posts. Mind you, I wouldn't have bothered even doing that if I wasn't bored and trying to fill in a long and tedious day.

Personally, I don't see the point in posting stuff like that on here, as it doesn't add anything of value to the site, and if anything it tends to degrade the overall 'flavour' the site has as a (primarily) motorcycling forum. That's not to say that anything not directly related to motorcycling shouldn't be posted on here - in fact, I believe all kinds of discussions of non-MC stuff should be included. F'rinstance, there have been posts of a personal nature on here that have helped people get useful advice or allowed them to vent in a healthy way.

However, I think that unpleasant, sordid or otherwise objectionable material doesn't really benefit anyone, so it doesn't have a place here.

I dont mind it. I mean yeah the picture was 'Objectionable' to say the least. but it was in the 'off topic' forum. and sufficent warning was given (in RED text no less)

[Waylander]

I dont mind it. I mean yeah the picture was 'Objectionable' to say the least. but it was in the 'off topic' forum. and sufficent warning was given (in RED text no less)
Well that settles it then.From now on any warning that is serious will be made in red text and any that are done in jest will be made in purple. No confusion.:msn-wink:

[Hitcher]

I'm not so much worried about the pictures but rather your motivation for posting them.

[bugjuice]

I thought it was sickly funny, and personally, fake. But that doesn't matter. You had a big red warning there, and yet people still open it. But like someone said, you say don't and they do. And it is in the 'Rave On' section which clearly states is for content that has bugger all to do with bikes.. and I don't think that does, really.. when you think about it.. nah..

Anyhoo, someone sent me a funny ad that is about KY, so now I have a dilema. Do I post it or is it going to offend? Apparently it's genuine, so don't blame me, but is it worth it? Wouldn't have questioned it until now..

[White trash]

Anyhoo, someone sent me a funny ad that is about KY, so now I have a dilema. Do I post it or is it going to offend? Apparently it's genuine, so don't blame me, but is it worth it? Wouldn't have questioned it until now..

Post it!

A very wise man told me once "less bitchin' and more laughin' on this site I reckon".

I'm in agreement

[bugjuice]

Post it!

A very wise man told me once "less bitchin' and more laughin' on this site I reckon".

I'm in agreement
:apint: :niceone:

[Biff]

I'm not so much worried about the pictures but rather your motivation for posting them.

Simply to corrupt you Hitcher mwahahahaha.

[Biff]

Anyhoo, someone sent me a funny ad that is about KY, so now I have a dilema. Do I post it or is it going to offend? Apparently it's genuine, so don't blame me, but is it worth it? Wouldn't have questioned it until now..

Post it :niceone:

[bugjuice]

thinking about this 'warning' thing, if you saw a big red sticker on a drill that said 'Don't stick up nose and turn on', would ya?

[Holy Roller]

thinking about this 'warning' thing, if you saw a big red sticker on a drill that said 'Don't stick up nose and turn on', would ya?

A bit like the guy at Steel and Tube who cut reo-rod to length. Sign says "do not insert finger" or something to that end. Guy thinks to himself, I bet I can pull my finger out before the cut is made..... Only he doesn't realise that the device grips the rod to secure it before cutting...........
True story, now they have a tube welded on the front of it to ensure that fingers stay where they should.

[Motu]

Remember the Masport mowers had cast into the body - ''keep feet clear of blade''? - yeah well,I found out why didn't I...'bout 8 or 10 at the time.

[TonyB]

Remember the Masport mowers had cast into the body - ''keep feet clear of blade''? - yeah well,I found out why didn't I...'bout 8 or 10 at the time.
OOOOOOOOowwwwwwww! Still got all your toes then? I know someone who did the same trick- lost a few toes and a bit of foot, didn't even notice till she tried to walk and it felt funny.

[avgas]

Sadly my friends send me worse.....

[Skyryder]

Like a couple of other posters I let this one ride, if you excuse the pun. I was tempted to go and look so that I would have some idea of the material but decided against that on the following grounds.

First the site is a bikers site and that initself indicates that this is an adult forum. Rave On is where a member can post non bike material where no rules apply and this is as it should be. Once you get into censorship, you get into moral values. Now there is a place for that but not here where ideas and opinions can be expounded on freely; along with some serious adult humour.

Now many here have kids and while it is up to them to see that they do not access an adult site this is easier said than done.

Not too sure if you have kids Biff but would you like them to see the picture that you posted?? The answer to that may answer your question.

Skyryder

[inlinefour]

You had warnings, so i can't see why theres a problem.

Like he said... :whistle:

[Paul in NZ]

I dunno... I didn't bother looking as I've been really busy and just plain didn't care to.

Yes, kids can access this site but I'll bed a rucksack full of P crazed possums that they could find similar in under 10 minutes with the average search engine. All security settings do is make them try a little harder...

So my opinion is.... This IS a motorcycle site and by definition trolled and populated by a certain type of person that maybe just lives a little closer to the edge than is the norm. Hence a bit more ribald content is expected.

Some images (like the KY one) have a little class about them and are funny. Lower down we get into tittilating and lower still... Smutty... Probably still all Ok as long as they have some quality, relevancy or humour...

Then we get into straight porn. There to do one thing...

Right at the bottom we have stuff thats just there to shock. It's not funny and so yes (I assume - didn't see it), you probably did cross the line here. To me it's right up there with pictures of corpses and child pornography because people are getting HURT. These people have families....

Perhaps acceptable smut is that in which the subject is obviously being paid for and is professionaly done. ie a posed shot of a good lookin' guy / girl draped over a hot bike at a show or something...

Unacceptable is stuff with potential victims. Ie, unwilling or unwitting subjects. Lets face it, it could be a brother or sister in a moment of weakness or dispair. Would you be happy if your wife had a serious accident went to A&E and someone whipped out the box brownie, put it on the net with some dumb arsed comment. "Hey look at this dumb bitch did" No you would not... Just because the victim is mentally disturbed does not make it OK.

If I go out with you guys, get pished and fall down in the street I'm sure some kind soul here will put up a picture the next day. Maybe OK (depending). But would you (say) strip one of our inebriated lady members topless, snap off a few piccies and put that up on KB? No of course NOT!

So there IS a line some place.

I'd suggest that you may have a foot on it, and that counts as out in this game...

Paul N

[wkid_one]

Mate - again, who really bloody cares

[Biff]

Not too sure if you have kids Biff but would you like them to see the picture that you posted?? The answer to that may answer your question.

Skyryder

Yes I do have kids, two of them. While only my lad is old enough and capable enough to switch on the PC and log onto the internet to surf his favourite sites, I like to think that I keep a close eye on what he's doing and which sites he's visiting, and I do. But then again he's only 5, so doesn't know the powers of Google - yet. I also have software on the PC capable of blocking sites containing suggestive material and specific sites (iprotectyou - it's free to download). As and when he is old enough to know about and be capable of searching for such sites then the onus of responsibility clearly lays with me to ensure that I take the necessary measures to protect him, and my daughter for that matter.

The internet is NOT the place to allow your kids free access to roam in my book. As a parent it is my duty to police their actions. But the reason I am somewhat ‘sensitive’ to some of the concerns, and the only reason I removed the image, is that I understand that some parents may be happy to allow their kids to roam here, as it’s a motorbike forum. Albeit that it contains scenes of nudity, swearing and general adult material. I for one would not let my kids access this site, at least until they are much, much older.

If your question is do I think he'd suffer any harm from seeing this kind of image, I guess the honest answer is I don't know. Would I want him to? No - nor porn, nor news sites containing gory photos of mutilated bodies in war torn countries and about a billion other web sites that contain ‘dodgy’ images. There's only so much cotton wool in the world, and to wrap each and every child up in it is impossible. But as a parent I do what I can to shield my kids from what the world has to offer, in terms of material likely to corrupt, or scar.

I don't find the answer in your question sorry Bernie. Your question simply opens up a much wider issue, an issue that parents will worry about for eternity I guess.



Right at the bottom we have stuff thats just there to shock. It's not funny and so yes (I assume - didn't see it), you probably did cross the line here. To me it's right up there with pictures of corpses and child pornography because people are getting HURT. These people have families....


While I largely agree with what you've said Paul I must take issue with the above statement. There is no way on this planet that you can class the image I posted along with kiddie porn. Abusing children is an evil act conducted by a sick individual on an unsuspecting victim. This set of images on the other hand, if indeed they are genuine, is simply of a sick individual harming himself, there are no other victims. Unless that is you count those people that CHOOSE to look at the images.

As for images of corpses, I've seen some small video clips, possibly here, but certainly on other biking forums I frequent where the subject matter is of a dead biker, killed following a traffic accident. Serious question - would you prefer that we flatly refuse to accept these kinds of postings too? I for one never look at these images, I choose not to.

[Ms Piggy]

Hi Biff Baff,
Although there were ample warnings (and so I didn't look) there are some images that appear on this site that I have no choice but to look at and that's what I find difficult. Mostly I'm referring to the soft porn images a lot of guys feel the need to display.

Thanks for asking and taking the opinions into account though. :niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

While I largely agree with what you've said Paul I must take issue with the above statement. There is no way on this planet that you can class the image I posted along with kiddie porn. Abusing children is an evil act conducted by a sick individual on an unsuspecting victim. This set of images on the other hand, if indeed they are genuine, is simply of a sick individual harming himself, there are no other victims. Unless that is you count those people that CHOOSE to look at the images.

.

No mate, Just using extreme examples to illustrate a point...

And I think, based on your response that I was 100% successful. One image you find OK and a bit of a laugh and another repulses you. ie - There is a line which you won't cross. The problem is, that line exisits in different places for us all...

If there were rules (and I'm NOT suggesting we have porn police) then for me it would be a subjective decision as to if someone was an unwilling victim in the item and would I be comfortable viewing it... Often, context comes into it.

To explain. If you posted a picture of a mutilated corpse of a loved one that (say) got half eaten by a wild bear I would find that offensive and un necessary.

If the same picture was presented at a symposium on preventing bear attacks to illustrate some behavioural point and maybe prevent it happening again. It would NOT (to me) be offensive.

The line is very blurry...

For me (and I have worked in an Adult Supply store - I'm NOT against porn) I draw the line at pictures that I consider exploit, humiliate, embarrass or victimise the subject.

Kiddie porn falls into that (of course).... For me, pictures of mentally ill people that mutilate themselves also qualify, despite any warnings... (the Tom Scott cartoon today was iffy as well)

Cheers

Paul N

(hey, you DID ask)

[Midnight 82]

Thats the good thing about polls. I have no problem with anything, so long as its for a reason. :niceone:

[Biff]

(hey, you DID ask)

I did - and I love a bit of adult, constructive debate :niceone:

But as the old addage goes, " different strokes ... for guys with ropes!"

As for your example of the use of a photo in the correct context, can I simply rename the thread, "what not to do with a sharp blade and your knob?" :msn-wink:

[John]

Biff, you warned MORE than enough - they were R rated - you noted how disturbing they were, people saw them then they cry.

You werent forced to view them, but hey its your choice. I know mine - biff gives me something interesting to do at night.... mmm boobies.

Sorry to be such a little bitch but, he warned you :/ ... least he didnt trick link you to goatse...hehe

[SixPackBack]

Biff I have an issue with it but for totally a totally unrelated reason.
I'm in a tenuous position with my ex wife. Custody issues and so fourth
The lawyer fellas just love finding links to porn sites -it "proves" Im some sorta pervert -I'm being paranoid I know but I don't wanna take the risk.
On a personal basis I couldn't care less

That sucks!

[WINJA]

IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE BRAZIL THING WELL WHO CARES BIFF, NOT ME .
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN R18 FORUM FOR ACCIDENT SCENES, MURDERS ,SQUASHED POSSUMS AND SOFT PORN

[SixPackBack]

IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE BRAZIL THING WELL WHO CARES BIFF, NOT ME .
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE AN R18 FORUM FOR ACCIDENT SCENES, MURDERS ,SQUASHED POSSUMS AND SOFT PORN
Your a bastard WINJA you purposley missed out refrence to sheep and chicken porn just to keep me and zed away

[merv]

Are you talking about the beach in Brazil as mentioned by Winja, because if you are why worry, someone else posted bikini dare girls last year sometime and someone else posted Japanese girls dressed similarly? I don't remember any fuss back then, so why now? As you had the warnings up to make it work safe, fine by me.

[Waylander]

Are you talking about the beach in Brazil as mentioned by Winja, because if you are why worry, someone else posted bikini dare girls last year sometime and someone else posted Japanese girls dressed similarly? I don't remember any fuss back then, so why now? As you had the warnings up to make it work safe, fine by me.
Don't y'all check post dates? This thread is almost a good 5 months old. I don't even remember what thread spawned it.

[quietguy]

I remember seeing it. In a word, yes.

[merv]

Don't y'all check post dates? This thread is almost a good 5 months old. I don't even remember what thread spawned it.

Nah haven't got time to look at stuff that hard.

[WINJA]

Your a bastard WINJA you purposley missed out refrence to sheep and chicken porn just to keep me and zed away
ZED IS A REAL SICKO, HE HAS THIS PARTY TRICK CALLED DANCE OF THE FLAMEING ARSEHOLES, ITS WHERE HE HOLDS HIS BIBLE IN HIS BUTT CRACK LIGHTS IT ON FIRE AND DANCES AROUND WHILE TRANSVESTITES TRY TO PUT OUT THE FIRE BY URINEATING ON HIM WHILE THEIR BLINDFOLDED

[Waylander]

ZED IS A REAL SICKO, HE HAS THIS PARTY TRICK CALLED DANCE OF THE FLAMEING ARSEHOLES, ITS WHERE HE HOLDS HIS BIBLE IN HIS BUTT CRACK LIGHTS IT ON FIRE AND DANCES AROUND WHILE TRANSVESTITES TRY TO PUT OUT THE FIRE BY URINEATING ON HIM WHILE THEIR BLINDFOLDED

Sounds like one of those TV evangelists (sp?)

[Biff]

Ive done two searchs and cant find these bloody pictures anywhere biff:mad: .. post em up again will ya!:Punk:


Best I don't SM - the original photos were, alledgedly, a series of photos showing a guy cutting the end of his dick off. It was possibly/probably a fake, and I placed loads of warning to people not to open the images if they were 'sensitive', in work etc and I even stated what the photos were of, but still some people opened them and complained. So in the interest of good will I removed the photos and asked for the thread to be deleted.

[Two Smoker]

Well the poll says it all... if there is a sensitive image, there has to be warning... if it is warned it is upto you whether or not you look at it... But you cant complain if there is warning and you STILL look at it...

[Racey Rider]

ZED IS A REAL SICKO, HE HAS THIS PARTY TRICK CALLED DANCE OF THE FLAMEING ARSEHOLES, ITS WHERE HE HOLDS HIS BIBLE IN HIS BUTT CRACK LIGHTS IT ON FIRE AND DANCES AROUND WHILE TRANSVESTITES TRY TO PUT OUT THE FIRE BY URINEATING ON HIM WHILE THEIR BLINDFOLDED

Some times Personal Attacks are meant as a joke. (I've done this myself.)
Sometimes they can be funny
But Sometimes things can get a bit 'over the line'.

I don't think this was funny, or invoked.
But everyone is intitled to their view.

[John]

lets not become to PC :|

[Drew]

ZED IS A REAL SICKO, HE HAS THIS PARTY TRICK CALLED DANCE OF THE FLAMEING ARSEHOLES, ITS WHERE HE HOLDS HIS BIBLE IN HIS BUTT CRACK LIGHTS IT ON FIRE AND DANCES AROUND WHILE TRANSVESTITES TRY TO PUT OUT THE FIRE BY URINEATING ON HIM WHILE THEIR BLINDFOLDED
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Dude, thats fuckin funny, taking it any other way could imply its believable, wich in turn implies, someone knows one of the trannies, and so on and so forth... So to sum up, anyone who takes it seriously, must be a TRANSVESTITE.

[John]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Dude, thats fuckin funny, taking it any other way could imply its believable, wich in turn implies, someone knows one of the trannies, and so on and so forth... So to sum up, anyone who takes it seriously, must be a TRANSVESTITE.
Yea I like cake..

[Racey Rider]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Dude, thats fuckin funny, taking it any other way could imply its believable, wich in turn implies, someone knows one of the trannies, and so on and so forth... So to sum up, anyone who takes it seriously, must be a TRANSVESTITE.

lets not become to PC :|


Fair enough.
I guess it must be, I just can't understand why they would have to be Blindfolded?! :spudwhat:

[SixPackBack]

Fair enough.
I guess it must be, I just can't understand why they would have to be Blindfolded?!

Adds to the story and the mess......you don't want to think about it to much you'll have vision's......hope i can sleep tonite

[John]

Adds to the story and the mess......you don't want to think about it to much you'll have vision's......hope i can sleep tonite
those visions enhance my sleeping pleasure :D

[SixPackBack]

those visions enhance my sleeping pleasure :D

I count sheep, [well o.k just bbbbaaabara]

[SixPackBack]

I count sheep, [well o.k just bbbbaaabara]

bbbbbbbaaaahhhh

[John]

bbbbbbbaaaahhhh
is this a joke :| because that freaks even me out.

[Drew]

is this a joke :| because that freaks even me out.
Things are starting to get a bit scary. Lets all just go back to thinking about the flaming arsehole dance again... No lets not, a mental image that helps me sleep, is to picture sweeping turns, a wide road, and Rosan Barr naked :puke: :rofl:

[WINJA]

Things are starting to get a bit scary. Lets all just go back to thinking about the flaming arsehole dance again... No lets not, a mental image that helps me sleep, is to picture sweeping turns, a wide road, and Rosan Barr naked :puke: :rofl:
NAH MATE CAROLINE TAYLOR OR THE ASIAN OFF "5 SOMETHING" ITS A KIDS SHOW LIKE THE WIGGLES BUT WITH CHICKS

[Drew]

NAH MATE CAROLINE TAYLOR OR THE ASIAN OFF "5 SOMETHING" ITS A KIDS SHOW LIKE THE WIGGLES BUT WITH CHICKS
That would be High Five, and any chick who acts that thick, can't be all there. I am convinced, there is a conspiracy, to brainwash everyone into living in the imaginary world, where you can drive cars made from a cardbaord box, and your stuffed dog talks to you. (Isn't that what the "Sun of Sam said he heard?)