R1 vs Porsche

[SpankMe]

Mr. Jeremy "I'm too much of a giant pussy to ride a bike" Clarkson sets up a head-to-head Yamaha R1 vs Porsche Carrera 4 race at the Thruxton race track.

http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv

[murhf3]

Mate I hav it if you want it,but to be honest its more like bike follows car for 7min,its not that great

[Waylander]

Oh piss off ya dick (to whashisname who likes to hear himself talk.) the bike looked so much pretier goin round the track than that box on wheels.:msn-wink:

[bugjuice]

damn dial-up.. I'll know in 24 mins.. :angry2:

[Coyote]

Saw that on TV. Thats a very good series, Clarkson is great in some of them, but that episode pissed me off

Different result with 5th Gear though: http://www.ducatifan.com/5thGear999gallardo.wmv
Sorry those with dail-up

[T.I.E]

and what about the price difference?

and who do you think really has the balls?

[bugjuice]

Saw that onTV. Thats a very good series, Clarkson is great in some of them, but that episode pissed me off

Different result with 5th Gear though: http://www.ducatifan.com/5thGear999gallardo.wmv
Sorry those with dail-up
awwwwww damn it.. :angry2:

[jrandom]

What they *failed* to mention is that for the price of the Carrera, you could have 10 R1s...

I'll stick with two wheels, methinks.

And perhaps Mr Jeremy 'I Beat Off With Swarfega' Clarkson should have timed how long it took the respective vehicles to get home from the track via the gridlocked M25, too. :shifty:

[Coyote]

When the car is showing off, you can see the tracks from previous takes when the car didn't actually look better than the bike, stupid Clarky boy

[GSVR]

Neil McKenzie who's ambition is to grow an Avacardo tree from a stone vs Jason Plato who's been racing in the britisn touring car championship for the last three years and his ambition is to win it.

If I was on the bike I'd be giving the car right of way too. The car held the R1 up as you can see from the video.

[gav]

Yeah, but you'd be pissed if you were cornering as hard as you could on yer R1, and some prick drove around the outside of you in a Porsche...... :angry2:

[Waylander]

Saw that on TV. Thats a very good series, Clarkson is great in some of them, but that episode pissed me off

Different result with 5th Gear though: http://www.ducatifan.com/5thGear999gallardo.wmv
Sorry those with dail-up
Think I know what my next bike is gonne be.:love: By the way you wouldn't happen to have the next one alluded to at the end of the clip would ya?

[Coyote]

Think I know what my next bike is gonne be.:love: By the way you wouldn't happen to have the next one alluded to at the end of the clip would ya?
Like to get hold of that video thats meant to be 'later in the series'. That car looks awesome... for a car anyway

[bugjuice]

it downloaded half of it, then it must have given up.. stupid dialup. Might as well watch it at work.
Aren't they playing that series on TV at the weekend? I've seen those running for the past few weeks, but can't remember when

[jrandom]

That car looks awesome... for a car anyway

The Gallardo?

I've been in one (didn't get to drive it, but).

Sure, it's horn, but I still couldn't help thinking 'or I could have 10 MV Agusta F4-1000s'.

Or a GSXR1000 and a bloody nice house, come to think of it.

[Coyote]

The Gallardo?

I've been in one (didn't get to drive it, but).

Sure, it's horn, but I still couldn't help thinking 'or I could have 10 MV Agusta F4-1000s'.

Or a GSXR1000 and a bloody nice house, come to think of it.
Nah, I was on about the Monza at the end of the video

The 1970 Chevy Chevelle is still the best looking cage ever though

[Coyote]

And of course, the car that Michael Jackson turns into in my Avatar is pretty awesome aswell :lol:

[Waylander]

Nah, I was on about the Monza at the end of the video

The 1970 Dodge Chevelle is still the best looking cage ever though
That would be CHEVY!!! As in Chevrolet not Dodge. Dodge made the charger though.

[Waylander]

Can't forget about the Pontiac GTO either. Even looks good in yellow.
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/sportive/pontiac/images/Pontiac.Gto.Judge.jpg

[Quasievil]

Cant I have a porsche and a Motorbicycle ?
I doubt the porsche would catch up to a bike that quick in the first corner ?
it was rigged for Clarksons personal hatred of Bikes

[justsomeguy]

The 1970 Dodge Chevelle is still the best looking cage ever though

No it's not........
It's the shelby cobra 427.......... the meanest mother fu_ _ er of them all.


http://www.car-posters.com/prod_images/fordcob.jpg

And as far as this comparo goes........ what's the bloody point? I like both apples and oranges, they both have their own flavours and can be used in different ways.......... i'd take either one.

[inlinefour]

Woopdeedo, the bike was merely 3/4 of a second behind and if the shicane had have been at the start of the curcit and a straight with a finish line at the end, then the Porshe would have been way behind. Jeremy claims to be a hetro? Me thinks he is just a pussy, to scared to ride a bike, more like it!

[Waylander]

Ooooooooooh Baracuda!!!http://www.cars-on-line.com/11200/68cuda11245-A.jpg
Oh and the road runner. Just love them American Muscle cars.
http://www.ridejudge.com/rides/00015662.jpg

[justsomeguy]

Though I rate the Ferrari 330 P4 as the most beautiful

http://vinnih.hsc.be/ferrari/ogp/330_p4-2.jpg

[justsomeguy]

Ooooooooooh Baracuda!!!
Oh and the road runner. Just love them American Muscle cars.



They sure don't make them like they used to. Do they boy ????:2thumbsup

[Waylander]

Though I rate the Ferrari 330 P4 as the most beautiful


Haha looks familiar.
And nope they sure as hell don't.

[Waylander]

Oh and a couple of these would be nice too.
First one is a Ford Torino. Not sure what the second one is.:msn-wink:

[gav]

The Shelby Mustang GT500E
http://www.gearheadracing.com/carpictures/GT500E/GT500E-010.jpg
from Gone in 60 Seconds, pretty cool for a car....
http://www.gearheadracing.com/carpictures/GT500E/GT500E-012.jpg

[scumdog]

Nah, I was on about the Monza at the end of the video

The 1970 Dodge Chevelle is still the best looking cage ever though

Yeah, and I've got a Honda R1 in my gargre too!

[Krusti]

I :love: Elleanor...

[scumdog]

No it's not........
It's the shelby cobra 427.......... the meanest mother fu_ _ er of them all.


http://www.car-posters.com/prod_images/fordcob.jpg

And as far as this comparo goes........ what's the bloody point? I like both apples and oranges, they both have their own flavours and can be used in different ways.......... i'd take either one.

Too right!!! - O.mph to 100mph and back to 0.mph in 12.8seconds!!!

100mph = 160kph for you metriheads!

My Mistral is a poor mans equivalent, lateral g-forces in it will pop your ear-wax out the window too!

[Waylander]

The Shelby Mustang GT500E

from Gone in 60 Seconds, pretty cool for a car....

Never been a fan of the Shitstain, oh I mean Mustang but that IS VERY nice.

Here are some more Muscle cars for ya. Lets see first up is the Dodge Challenger, in a very sexy purple. Next we have a Mercury Cyclone, "gonna buy me a mercury and cruise it up and down the road," And finnaly a Chevy Nova SS, Not much to say about this one so I'll let the pic speak.

[scumdog]

Can't forget about the Pontiac GTO either. Even looks good in yellow.
http://www.motorimania.it/manifestazioni/sportive/pontiac/images/Pontiac.Gto.Judge.jpg

My mate a couple of blocks away has an orange Judge like that one plus a '66 GTO (the one with the stacked headlights) AND he has a '68 Firebird - Dangerous saw that one. :niceone:

[Waylander]

My mate a couple of blocks away has an orange Judge like that one plus a '66 GTO (the one with the stacked headlights) AND he has a '68 Firebird - Dangerous saw that one. :niceone:
Gonna try rebuilding one myself here in a couple of years. Dont care if it has alot of power I just want the look and the sound so I can cruise town and show all those boi racers what a REAL car looks and sounds like.:Punk:

[James Deuce]

Quite frankly if it had been a GSXR1K then he would have been rooted. In standard form the GIXER is anything up to a second quicker than the R1 around any track. A ZX10R would probably have done the job too. I'm not casting aspersions at R1's either, it's just that they are a bit more road oriented in standard form. One of the big comments I have noticed from various testers is that the lower footpegs of the R1 decrease ground clearance, and hence mid-corner speed at the track.

Compared to Niall McKenzie, Jason Plato is a skill less muppet. Jason Plato could no way, no how, hack it in F3 single seaters let alone qualify on the grid for an F1 race. Mr McKenzie on the other hand has been a BSB champion and former 500GP podium finisher.

[Aitch]

Car vs bike.
Cat vs dog.
Ford vs Holden.
Rotary vs herringbone.
Hauraki vs The Rock.
Blonde Vs Brunette.

Will these ever, ever be decided one way or they other?

[inlinefour]

...it reminds me of this picture...

[**R1**]

WOW old cages....YAWN booring

give me and R1 with the same $$$spent as it would cost for that VW and id get to the moon and back B4 he hit 2nd gear....

[Waylander]

Oh come on guys you can't not like muscle cars. Get just as many chicks in these as you would on a bike. In fact you could get more most of these have seating for four but I'm sure if someone really wanted to they could get more than that.:msn-wink:

[inlinefour]

Oh come on guys you can't not like muscle cars. Get just as many chicks in these as you would on a bike. In fact you could get more most of these have seating for four but I'm sure if someone really wanted to they could get more than that.:msn-wink:

And I will. I dont need a cage to score...

[justsomeguy]

Alucard....... that other car is a Holden Monaro... one of the original ones....

Yes Aaron..... an R1 with all that investment would be a bit faster...... but a porsche is a heck of a lot useable......

If you're interested in a challenge......

The Lotus dealer out in Kumeu near Fuckland says he's been able to overtake a ton of bikes in his Elise around the twisties..... and I believe him...

http://www.weissach.com/images/elise/05.jpg

[Waylander]

Alucard....... that other car is a Holden Monaro... one of the original ones....



Yea mate I know what it is I was being cheeky to all you Holden fans. Thats why I posted it next to a Ford.

[scumdog]

WOW old cages....YAWN booring

give me and R1 with the same $$$spent as it would cost for that VW and id get to the moon and back B4 he hit 2nd gear....

Yeah but add a hot chick, some wine, good sounds and a look that you don't need to stand beside to notice and you appreciate some of these muscle-cars.
Chicks don't ALWAYS get turned on/enjoy a cold, wet and music free ride despite what you may think Aaron.

[Waylander]

Yeah but add a hot chick, some wine, good sounds and a look that you don't need to stand beside to notice and you appreciate some of these muscle-cars.
Chicks don't ALWAYS get turned on/enjoy a cold, wet and music free ride despite what you may think Aaron.
That and you don't have to worry about wether your roommates are home or get a hotel room if ya get lucky:niceone:

Jolie: "Which do you think is better, having sex (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=SEX) or stealing cars?"
Cage: "I would have to say, having sex (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=SEX) while stealing cars."

Oh and one more car, the Olds 442.

[Mr Skid]

The Lotus dealer out in Kumeu near Fuckland says he's been able to overtake a ton of bikes in his Elise around the twisties..... and I believe him...
They were probably ZZR250's. :Pokey:

[John]

Sif he could touch ZZR250's, Although the elise's are light and handle well - I have a funny feeling a Bike would smoke it. FURIOUSLY..

[Coyote]

That would be CHEVY!!! As in Chevrolet not Dodge. Dodge made the charger though.
Argh, I was thinking of the Dodge Challenger, my apologies

[Waylander]

Ok to make you "bike only cause ALL cages suck" peaple happy here ya go.

[Coyote]

Talking about the Challenger:

Also threw in a Monaro

[gav]

Quite frankly if it had been a GSXR1K then he would have been rooted. In standard form the GIXER is anything up to a second quicker than the R1 around any track. A ZX10R would probably have done the job too. I'm not casting aspersions at R1's either, it's just that they are a bit more road oriented in standard form. One of the big comments I have noticed from various testers is that the lower footpegs of the R1 decrease ground clearance, and hence mid-corner speed at the track.

Compared to Niall McKenzie, Jason Plato is a skill less muppet. Jason Plato could no way, no how, hack it in F3 single seaters let alone qualify on the grid for an F1 race. Mr McKenzie on the other hand has been a BSB champion and former 500GP podium finisher.

I think that footage is fairly old though, at the time the R1 would have been just released, what years that bike, 99? JC also comments that the Carerra 4 was by no means the fastest car they could get and pointed out with 4WD it was actually down on power. Thruxton though is a track that would suit the car, very fast, very bumpy, not many real slow corners despite what JC claimed.

[Waylander]

I think that footage is fairly old though, at the time the R1 would have been just released, what years that bike, 99? JC also comments that the Carerra 4 was by no means the fastest car they could get and pointed out with 4WD it was actually down on power. Thruxton though is a track that would suit the car, very fast, very bumpy, not many real slow corners despite what JC claimed.
That's what I thought as I watched it. Let them try it with an '04 or '05 R1, on a track that is evenly suited to both car and bike. Results would definatly be different.

[Mr Skid]

That's what I thought as I watched it. Let them try it with an '04 or '05 R1, on a track that is evenly suited to both car and bike. Results would definatly be different.
I say send them out on gravel. We'd soon see who was superior :yeah:

[James Deuce]

5th Gear did one between a 749 and a Lamborghini Gallardo which I thought was a good match at the wee curcuit they were at. It was only a half a dozen corners and a very short straight, but the 749 was much quicker down the straight and out of corners. I think John Reynolds was the rider, and Tiff Needell was the Driver. I rate Tiff more than I do Plato, and Tiff drove a mental, just on the edge of control lap. The bike rider was much smoother, and just pipped the car. They did a great comparative overlay, and I think they had a much more open minded approach to the exercise than JC.

JC is funny, but every time he bags bikes I lose a little respect for him. They are apples and oranges, and I don't think he'd make a particularly good rider, let alone a fast one. I think you'll find that most bike riders on the other hand are capable of dealing with a greater sensation of speed with a touch more skill than the average car driver.

[**R1**]

Yeah but add a hot chick, some wine, good sounds and a look that you don't need to stand beside to notice and you appreciate some of these muscle-cars.
Chicks don't ALWAYS get turned on/enjoy a cold, wet and music free ride despite what you may think Aaron.yeah i know...i used to have a 71 ZD fairlane, it had cragars, 68stang 302W, king spring super lows,blablabla....but no thrill for me in a cage....and i pleasure my women in other ways....dont need a cage or a bike to do that:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: ......and if i had to have an old car it would be a S1 RX7....at least they are fast

[Waylander]

Need some Hot Rod pics now what daya think fellas?

[NordieBoy]

http://www.me.mtu.edu/~prater/carpics/fords/GT40/GT40-2.jpg

No contest :Punk:

[zeRax]

huh, i thought this was a forum for new zealand motorcyclists about motorcycles

please dont tell me im wrong, ?

[inlinefour]

5th Gear did one between a 749 and a Lamborghini Gallardo which I thought was a good match at the wee curcuit they were at. It was only a half a dozen corners and a very short straight, but the 749 was much quicker down the straight and out of corners. I think John Reynolds was the rider, and Tiff Needell was the Driver. I rate Tiff more than I do Plato, and Tiff drove a mental, just on the edge of control lap. The bike rider was much smoother, and just pipped the car. They did a great comparative overlay, and I think they had a much more open minded approach to the exercise than JC.

JC is funny, but every time he bags bikes I lose a little respect for him. They are apples and oranges, and I don't think he'd make a particularly good rider, let alone a fast one. I think you'll find that most bike riders on the other hand are capable of dealing with a greater sensation of speed with a touch more skill than the average car driver.

But J.C. is a complete tosser who really needs to learn that his opinion really counts for feck all. :whistle:

[Waylander]

Argh, I was thinking of the Dodge Challenger, my apologiesJust as long as you know that the pick you posted is of a Chevy Chevelle not anything dodge it's all good mate. Both are cool cars though I prefer the Charger, GTO or Road Runner.

[gav]

huh, i thought this was a forum for new zealand motorcyclists about motorcycles

please dont tell me im wrong, ?
You're wrong!
So we have a thread titled R1 vs Porsche and you're suprised because we're talking cars? Look at the top of the page "KIWIBIKER A site for all New Zealand Motorcyclists". It doesnt say bikes only, and alot of NZ motorcyclists will be interested in cars, whats so wrong with that? If you're not fine, so why post in a thread that has a car in the title, and one would guess you've actually read the thread as well. Get over it......

[Lou Girardin]

Clarkson must have psychological problems with bikes and/or leather. He was scared shitless when taken for a lap on a litrebike and he keeps referring to the suspect sexuality of people wearing racesuits. (Although he may have a point there, hehe.)
But whenever these bike/car comparisons are made on the basis of lap times, the bike smokes the car, any car. I tend to think that having a cage up your chuff under brakes for a corner may be a tad unsettling for the rider, hence the slower laps.
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember a 0 - 160 - 0 test on a bike that was qicker than the Cobra. It was seconds quicker to 160 for a start.

[bugjuice]

wow, the Clarkson file downloaded in 23 seconds at work (25 mins at home) and 5th Gear in 50 seconds (gave up at home).. I love work, until I have to work..

Anyhoo, Jez just shows how he isn't into bikes. He reckons we're the wusses? And he's never riden a bike? Then who's the wuss? We have more bang for our buck, which means we can get better machines compared to the cage variety, so I thought that'd put us high up the adrenalin junkie list... rubber.. pftt, he expect us to bounce when we come off?

The 5th Gear one is better, shows that a super bike and super car can be fairly evenly matched... Shame the rider couldn't drift out of the corners, and couldn't drift it in fast. Also agree with Lou, that having a bike and car on the track together altho amusing, can be a little intimidating, altho these guys are meant to be pros all the same..

Jez should have got Rossi and Schuey, now there's a race..

[Motu]

Jez should have got Rossi and Schuey, now there's a race..

Rossi would fluff the start,Schuey would chop air...Rossi would pounce mid race but be taken out mid corner as the big chin pushes him off the track - no contest,Ferrari would bounce the Yamaha into the litter...

[James Deuce]

Rossi would fluff the start,Schuey would chop air...Rossi would pounce mid race but be taken out mid corner as the big chin pushes him off the track - no contest,Ferrari would bounce the Yamaha into the litter...
No only that the F1 car would out accelerate and out brake the bike massively. Scheuy would do that stuff whilst lapping Rossi after 5 laps.

[vifferman]

it downloaded half of it, then it must have given up.. stupid dialup. Might as well watch it at work.
Aren't they playing that series on TV at the weekend? I've seen those running for the past few weeks, but can't remember when
Saturday afternoons on TV1, but hasn't been on for a coupla weeks.
The Porsche vs. R1 was on that a few weeks ago.
Clarkson admitted he hated bikes because the power scared him. The funny thing is, though, that on one of his shows on TV1, he said that the most fun car he'd ever driven was the Carver - that funny tilting Dutch 3-wheeler. Why? Because it leans when it goes around corners... :spudwhat:

Somewhere on the Interweb, there's another more comprehensive and carefully-considered car vs. bike test, with 2 bikes and several cars. One of the bike riders was Aaron Slight. The cars were whipped.:cool:

I'll see if I can dig up a link to it...

[vifferman]

Here ya go: http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/media/fastfeud/index.php

And for those saying, "Well... if it'd been a GSXR instead of an R1, it would've been different", this one is a GSXR1000.

Enjoy....:cool:

[Timber020]

Jeremy knows jack about almost everything, including about cars considering his job for the last decade. Hes entertaining enough but I wouldnt put any weight on anything he says. Being a proffessional car critic with the amount of driving he would do, and to spend so much time on the same track you would think his lap time would be alot better.

Cages have their appeal, I like cobras and the shelby stangs (ah what a great man shelby is..)

This thing does 260kmph,weighs 75kgs, does over 26kms to the litre at 185kmph, it and can be built for about the same as most sportbikes.

[Marmoot]

Jez should have got Rossi and Schuey, now there's a race..

It was done with Schuey and Biaggi before with Ferrarri vs Yamaha (500).
The bike lost.
But the new RCV or M1 may make a difference :shifty:

[dveus]

While Clarkson may no "jack" all as its been put, he is still very entertaining. Too many car shows try to be serious all the time and there just plain boring.

As for the car vs bike arguements the simple fact is the cars have a much larger contact patch with the road which allows for more grip, therefore they often will be quicker round a track than the bikes. As for the everyday usability of the two a bike will sure get through traffic a lot quicker.

[Lou Girardin]

Watch Clarksons driving next time. He's very ragged at the limit, not even on the same planet as Tiff Needel. Even Martin Brundel said he was gob-smacked at how Needel can drift anything. Poor old Jeremy loops it as often as not.
Jeeza talks the talk, nothing else.

[vifferman]

Watch Clarksons driving next time. He's very ragged at the limit, not even on the same planet as Tiff Needel. Even Martin Brundel said he was gob-smacked at how Needel can drift anything. Poor old Jeremy loops it as often as not.
Jeeza talks the talk, nothing else.
Yeah, but like dveus says, he's very entertaining, whereas Tiff pisses me off - he's such a wanker.

[Motu]

These car/bike arguments always make me laugh - it's our egos talking,we always think our bikes are faster than a car...me too! But the contact patch and aerodynamics counter argument always comes out,until bikes overcome that it's no contest.Also equipment level,you really need to be testing a fully optioned Goldwing against the Porsche,or do you want it stripped down to R1 level?

Look at the two top level racing classes - Formula 1 and MotoGP.Every year the cars are clobbered with more restrictions...this year it's the grooved (no slicks for the 6 yrs or so) tyres having to last two qualifying runs and the whole race,engine and aero restrictions....just imagine how fast these things could go if they let them,waaaaaay faster.MotoGP bikes are restricted in power too,because they can't put it down,there is probably twice what they got available,but they can't use it.That is what made the Yamaha competitive - they killed the power big time and boosted bottom end...HUGELY limited by contact patch...so is the F1 car,but by regulation.

[Marmoot]

Agree with Motu.

BUT, we're still the fastest 0-to-speedlimit off the greenlights in Auckland. I think that's the most important thing for my ego at the moment.
:Punk:

[bugjuice]

Agree with Motu.

BUT, we're still the fastest 0-to-speedlimit off the greenlights in Auckland. I think that's the most important thing for my ego at the moment.
:Punk:
that what my bro thought too, until someone did a U-turn a little down the road ahead in front without looking back at the lights first..

[Marmoot]

that what my bro thought too, until someone did a U-turn a little down the road ahead in front without looking back at the lights first..

well that calls for 180degree stoppie......time to make that stunt compulsory in CBT

[Lou Girardin]

What does it matter if a Porch or verandah is .75 km/h faster through a corner? He's going to be so far behind getting to the corner that the point is moot. No production car can get to 160 k's as quick as a litrebike. As for top speed, that's just for pub wanking.
The there's the bottom line; our bikes cost a tenth of Porches etc. The price of a set of tyres for 360 Modena would buy a pretty good bike.

[Wolf]

The there's the bottom line; our bikes cost a tenth of Porches etc. The price of a set of tyres for 360 Modena would buy a pretty good bike.
The "bang for the buck" reckonning. Comparing a performance bike with a car that cost the same amount, the bike will win hands down - you won't get a serious performance car in that price range.

[inlinefour]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???

[Marmoot]

The "bang for the buck" reckonning. Comparing a performance bike with a car that cost the same amount, the bike will win hands down - you won't get a serious performance car in that price range.


but then the bikes will be dissed as "cheap thrills".
I personally resent my pride and joy be dissed as cheap thrills
:killingme

[phaedrus]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???

i'm not 100% sure on this but i think that the center differential would let this happen. (good old howstuffworks.com). start one set of wheels spinning and the others loose all power.

Same things happen on 2wd, lift a back tire and it'll spin helplessly while the other stays still (until people got clever and invented things like limeted slip diffs)
assuming a rear wheel drive

[bugjuice]

When the Porshe did the donut only the rear tyres spun. Is that normal for a 4wd Porshe? Or are we getting told porkes???
They have LSD (Limited Slip Diff) in the rear, regular in the front, then an electronic distribution diff in the middle. The cars' computer checks each wheel to see what's going on every squillionth of a second. The car would have figured he was showing off his penis size as the front wheels were doing similar speeds altho the back were spinning faster, so it would have allowed it to do it. If it had been driving and that happened, then the computer would have done different.

They use the same drive train/system in the 4Motion on VWs and 4WD 'S' Audi's..

[Lou Girardin]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.

[Wolf]

but then the bikes will be dissed as "cheap thrills".
I personally resent my pride and joy be dissed as cheap thrills
:killingme
Like a performance bike is cheap!? Cost effective is the terminology, here. Bikes don't waste money on all that superfluous crap you find in/on cages (extra wheels for sissies wot can't ride, bench seats, doors etc)

[phaedrus]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.

thanks for the correction

[Fart]

My other ride is a Subaru WRX. Both car and bike have their own merits of frills and it aint cheap, thats for sure, expecially upon receiving a speeding ticket. Riding a bike fast takes more skills and concentration than driving a car fast. That Clarkson wanker must have it for bikers. His arrogant attitude pisses people of at times.

Maybe we should do a video of our own car vs bike where the bike thrashes the shit out of the car and send it to Clarkson.

[bugjuice]

Not quite, the centre diff feeds torque to the wheels that aren't spinning. That's why you acclerate when these things start to drift under power.
but the centre diff is computer-distribution controlled on these things now, aren't they...??

[ManDownUnder]

Mr. Jeremy "I'm too much of a giant pussy to ride a bike" Clarkson sets up a head-to-head Yamaha R1 vs Porsche Carrera 4 race at the Thruxton race track.

http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv

Yeah whatever.
2 observations
1) I don't ride a bike coz it's faster/slower, smoother, corners better than a 911. I ride it coz I like riding it. There's a good chance I'd enjoy driving a 4WD 911 too
2) Would Top Gear be likely to compare a bike with a car such that the car loses? Funny they picked a 4WD (with "less power" but failed to mention the better "power transmission") and then put it onto a twisty track. What happens with a 2WD 911, or the 911 v R1 on a different track?

*YAWN*, bikes vs cars, apples vs oranges... they're different beasts for different purposes and different audiences. One is better than the other... they're DIFFERENT

MDU

[chickenfunkstar]

I'm really not sure why he hates bikes so much,
There was a recent episode of top gear when Clarkson compares the Enzo to the old F40. One of the main reasons he liked the F40 over the Enzo is because of its lack of computers, powersteering and other non essential equipment.

I belive he said, in reference to the F40, that he liked it because it was just bum, seat, road.

It seems to me that thats exactly what a bike is. No?

[TygerTung]

I like cars, I like bikes.... they are just different!

Different things for different purposes!!!

And why are you putting these pictures up of american cars up, and no japanese cars? I mean are you into american bikes like harleys or are you into japenese bikes? I am into japenese cars as they suit me better ie. Lighter, smaller, faster....

I prefer somthing simple without heaps of luxeries like power steering and electric windows as all these things add weight, but thats just how I am...

I don't like cars better than bikes, or bikes better than cars... they are just different.

[Waylander]

I like cars, I like bikes.... they are just different!

Different things for different purposes!!!

And why are you putting these pictures up of american cars up, and no japanese cars? I mean are you into american bikes like harleys or are you into japenese bikes? I am into japenese cars as they suit me better ie. Lighter, smaller, faster....

I prefer somthing simple without heaps of luxeries like power steering and electric windows as all these things add weight, but thats just how I am...

I don't like cars better than bikes, or bikes better than cars... they are just different.
Bah never liked the cut-out cars, and yea they may be lighter, smaller, faster but they cant match power, looks and sound. In fact I doubt those ricers are faster all the time, maybe around a track but put it out on a drag strip and the muscle will win all the time without the help of NOS.

[Ixion]

Bah never liked the cut-out cars, and yea they may be lighter, smaller, faster but they cant match power, looks and sound. In fact I doubt those ricers are faster all the time, maybe around a track but put it out on a drag strip and the muscle will win all the time without the help of NOS.

Yeah I always heard there aint no substituie for cubes. Thaz why
I gotta all these cool dice to hang from my mirror. They're cubes aint they so I reckon I prolly got the fastest car in town now. And if it ain't I just godda add more dice.

[Coldkiwi]

loved the GSXR Vs Radical review! Go Niall :)

[Zed]

Mr. Jeremy "I'm too much of a giant pussy to ride a bike" Clarkson sets up a head-to-head Yamaha R1 vs Porsche Carrera 4 race at the Thruxton race track.

http://www.rsportscars.com/Acentral/video/c4vsr1.wmv
Entertaining to watch but I still don't think the guy on the R1 was pushing it hard enough. It seemed like he was easing off on some of the corners and the true power of the bike vs the cage was revealed on the straight where he absolutely blitzed the Porsche!

Clarkson amused me with his wise cracks at us bikers but ultimately he knows in his heart what rules the roads and the track!

[Kickaha]

At the very first Drink Drive 500 (Liquor King 500) after the Saturday racing/qualifying the fastest bike (GSXR1000)was about 2/100's of a second behind the fastest car(Trans Am) however they weren't using the dipper which I believe would have given the advantage to the bikes

Of course a 250 Superkart would kick both their arses on a track.

I'll bet on a fast car to beat a bike any day especialy if it's over a decent distance,but it has to be a seriously fast car to be able to do it.

[James Deuce]

Well I just beat a blinged up Mitsi Evo VII that goes Psshhh away from the Korokoro lights and down to Percy's reserve carpark, on my old-tech, "ugly", "slow", Suzuki "Girl's Bike" GSX600. By many car lengths. Included in the "Humiliation" was the standard winding up of windows and utter refusal to meet my eye.

I feel pretty,
Oh so pretty...

[peterjdaly]

He that doesn't admit a fair and square defeat loses the ability to claim victory at the next meeting. Next time ya see the little toerag really rub it in.

[scooterboy]

clarkson said in an episode couple of years ago that his fear of speed was the reason for his love of all things fast -- not the kind of mental foundation needed to feel safe at 180k without a cage :cold:

[Wolf]

Entertaining to watch but I still don't think the guy on the R1 was pushing it hard enough. It seemed like he was easing off on some of the corners and the true power of the bike vs the cage was revealed on the straight where he absolutely blitzed the Porsche!
I concur. It didn't seem to me that the rider (the wannabe Avocado Tree Grower) was taking the corners fast enough - he did't seem to be getting his knee down enough, too much air between him and the track. In some cases that may well be becuse the cage was blocking his path but other times it looked like he just lacked the skills/confidence to get everything he could out of the R1.

I thought as I watched it: They should have had them do timed circuits alone so that neither had to worry about the other as it looked as though the car was blocking the bike in places. I was left feeling that if the rider had been more aggressive, faster on the corners - or the only one on the track - he would have won.

The other vid of the 999 vs the Lambourghini was a fairer fight - they let them have the track to themselves and the rider was far superior to the Avocado King - he really got his knee down and was kicking up sparks.

When they showed the two superimposed you could plainly see that if both had been on the track at the same, one or other would have had to give way - there were points where the car was occupying the same space as the arse of the bike. You could clearly see how they would have fouled each other up.

Clarkson obviously rigged the "competition" to bear out his prejudice against bikes - pitting an experienced racer against a less experienced rider on the same track at the same time. Of course the competition racer is going to obliterate the less experienced/confident/competitive rider on the corners. The rider blew the car away on the straights but he backed off big-time on the corners.

As to Clarkson's "I won't be riding because I'm a heterosexual" WTF is he smoking? What a pathetic little "man" he is if he must resort to patently ridiculous "slurs" (I have a number of friends who would not classify it as an insult to be called homosexual) in order to make himself feel superior to bike riders. I truly feel sorry for him. What a sad little thing he is.

Either that or he's the bravest man on the planet, unashamedly shouting to the world that he knows jack shit about anything.

Oddly enough, I have a number of gay friends who ride motorbikes but they're all female. None of the male homosexuals I know ride bikes. (I have no idea if they're into rubber pants or not and I have no desire to know.)

[James Deuce]

Niall McKenzie (the rider) could whip the arse of anybody who posts on KB, on any track, with one hand tied behind his back and two plug leads removed.

Did anyone seriously think that Clarkson would let a bike beat anything. If Niall looked like he wasn't trying, then he was probably under instruction to NOT beat the car. It is Clarkson's show after all. Despite what the short one, and the dishevelled one may think.

5th gear did exactly what you suggested Wolf, and while the bike beat the car it was very, very close. They did a better job of picking comparable vehicles too (Gallardo vs 749). On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.

[Lou Girardin]

I'm not sure if it was the R1 v Porch or the CBR600RR v Atom, but one of the riders was Nial McKenzie. He's ahd a bit of experience I think.
There was a bike/car meeting at Puke a couple of years ago where the production thou's were quicker than the V8's dry times, but in the wet.

[justsomeguy]

Guys before you keep dissing Clarkson remember he is an actor and that;s his personality.....

So while we all think he's a prick (and he is) he sits back in his palace and decides which of his 100,000 pound sterling cars to drive today........

As for comparing him to Tiff........ Tiff is a professional racing driver and Clarkson is the same as you and me just that he has more experience.

I agree that they should have let them both on the track one by one.... so they could see which was the fastest and not have that 1000+ kg cage block the 100+kg bike

[Wolf]

5th gear did exactly what you suggested Wolf, and while the bike beat the car it was very, very close. They did a better job of picking comparable vehicles too (Gallardo vs 749). On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.
True.

The 5th gear clip could have gone either way but at least it was a fair fight - not Clarkson's little ego wank. On the track shown, the R1 should have urinated copiously over the Porsche.

I'm not saying I could have ridden faster than that - but I've sure seen others who could.

[Motu]

On a short track the bikes will be close. On anything longer than 3 kms, a car (especially a super kart or formula car) is going to make the bike look very slow over a lap.

It's often the other way round,the bike pulls higher top speeds.Ten years or more ago Two Wheels did a bike/car,using a Ducati WSB of the period and Wayne Gardners Commodore over 6 V8 Supercar tracks.And it was really good to have the totaly unbiased coments of Gardner,a World Motorcycle Champion and now car racer (he didn't ride the bike,just his car,I forget who rode the bike) It was an even split over the six tracks,the bike on 3,the car faster on 3 - but the bike beat the car on fast tracks.The bike just couldn't beat the car on braking and corner speed,4 huge slicks and brakes have got it over the bike,but on long tracks the downforce plays against the car,it takes a lot of HP to push against that and the bike ran away down the long straights.

[Pixie]

Clarkeson may be a funny fuck but he hates bikes.
he questions bikers' sexuality for wearing leathers,yet he is alway seen in the gay uniform (blue jeans)

If you put a car and a bike on the track at the same time the Mobile Chicane (car) will always balk the bike

Remember... the open prod bikes were doing better lap times in the wet at pukekohe than the V8 stupercars where doing in the dry at a combined meeting a few years ago!! :shake:

[Pixie]

P.S.
If there is a British vehical in one of his comparisons it will come out on top.
I can't stand the way he drbbles on about the "beauty" of Aston Martins"
How can they be? They aren't Italian.

[inlinefour]

try:

top.gear@bbc.co.uk

never know, if enough of us email, they might even listen (yea, right) :msn-wink:

[Coldkiwi]

I concur. It didn't seem to me that the rider (the wannabe Avocado Tree Grower) was taking the corners fast enough - he did't seem to be getting his knee down enough, too much air between him and the track. In some cases that may well be becuse the cage was blocking his path but other times it looked like he just lacked the skills/confidence to get everything he could out of the R1.



THIS from an LS400 rider!? Talk about irony. Niall Mackenzie is no flaming slouch my friend and as has been said, would ride multiple rings around anyone on this site. He definitely wasn't giving it everything though. Just watch his riding position as he accelerates onto the front straight- he's not even in a proper racing crouch! I would put my money on it being rigged

[Wolf]

THIS from an LS400 rider!? Talk about irony. Niall Mackenzie is no flaming slouch my friend and as has been said, would ride multiple rings around anyone on this site. He definitely wasn't giving it everything though. Just watch his riding position as he accelerates onto the front straight- he's not even in a proper racing crouch! I would put my money on it being rigged
Crap tho' the LS is, it's more bike than Clarkson's ever ridden.

I didn't say I could do a better job, I was saying that MacKenzie wasn't doing a proper job of it. What must be going through MacKenzie's mind - being paid to lose a race by some guy who called him a homosexual on television.

[John]

Its true, he was holding back BIG time, I noticed it when I watched it on TV ages ago, I was like.. hmm what the hells going on here.

If they wanted to have a real test put a turbo busa on the track with them.

Not being cocky and dont flame me, but even I would have being pushing harder.

[Zed]

What must be going through MacKenzie's mind - being paid to lose a race by some guy who called him a homosexual on television.Lol, some people will do very extreme things for money you know!

Besides, MacKenzie probably didn't realise that he was representing every hardcore motorcyclist (even those way down in the uttermost parts of the world here in NZ) when he went out and "threw" that race! :Oops:

[Kickaha]

Those of you who don't beleive a car can beat a bike have obviously never come up against a really fast car with a good driver over a reasonable stretch of road

And In over twenty years of riding I can only recall twice when it's happened to me and one of those times I got hammered,and strangely enough that was by a Porsche

I personally don't think that someone like MacKenzie would throw a race as with most competitors at a high level all they're interested in is to win and what evidence does everyone have to support the "theory" that he was holding back?

[scumdog]

Those of you who don't beleive a car can beat a bike have obviously never come up against a really fast car with a good driver over a reasonable stretch of road

And In over twenty years of riding I can only recall twice when it's happened to me and one of those times I got hammered,and strangely enough that was by a Porsche

I personally don't think that someone like MacKenzie would throw a race as with most competitors at a high level all they're interested in is to win and what evidence does everyone have to support the "theory" that he was holding back?

Dead right K., most of the time it's the 'out of the corner acceleration' that gives a bike its edge, - that a a certain amount of ability to "straighten" said corners.

[inlinefour]

Those of you who don't beleive a car can beat a bike have obviously never come up against a really fast car with a good driver over a reasonable stretch of road

And In over twenty years of riding I can only recall twice when it's happened to me and one of those times I got hammered,and strangely enough that was by a Porsche

I personally don't think that someone like MacKenzie would throw a race as with most competitors at a high level all they're interested in is to win and what evidence does everyone have to support the "theory" that he was holding back?

I've once been beaten by a Serria Cosworth, going from Whanganui to New Plymouth. At Patea he was filling up and heard me trying to keep up with him...
Not a bad chap, he kindly offered to slow down so I could keep up! :confused:

[MD]

The rider wasn't "holding back" he was disgrunted that they couldn't give him a fast bike, something that can atleast finish SBK before the camera crews have packed up and gone home would have helped.

[TonyB]

Here ya go: http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/media/fastfeud/index.php

And for those saying, "Well... if it'd been a GSXR instead of an R1, it would've been different", this one is a GSXR1000.

Enjoy....:cool:
Now that was cool.

The truth is that the £24,000 Crescent-modified and fettled superbike with a full complement of pit-crew and one of the top riders in the world perched on top of it managed to pip the not-quite-top-spec, straight-out-of-the-box Radical by two-tenths of a second.
Dontcha love the way a purpose made track car suddenly becomes a basic out of the box car? :killingme It's all very well doing this sort of thing on a nice smooth race track, but if they really want to proove anything, I reckon it needs to be done on the road. Can't see the cars coping with the IOM circuit too well- those low cars don't like real roads with real bumps.
Got to agree with Motu from several pages back though- there is no contest betwixt a bike and an open wheeler race car (eg F1). Downforce enables them to do things that are simply impossible for a bike, and just as well too- would you want bike racing to be as boring as F1?

[Coldkiwi]

Crap tho' the LS is, it's more bike than Clarkson's ever ridden.

I didn't say I could do a better job, I was saying that MacKenzie wasn't doing a proper job of it. What must be going through MacKenzie's mind - being paid to lose a race by some guy who called him a homosexual on television.

fair nuff. I guess the other option to niall throwing the race is some selective editing by a clarkson bunny of a whole lot of footage of the bike and car in different places to make it look like the car 'won' on a certain lap where he happened to be in front. shady behaviour, but not out of the question for a man so uncertain about his sexuality that he says 'i won't ride the bike because I'm a heterosexual'!!

[SPORK]

Hmm, back to muscle cars for a second, I personally think that the new Ford Mustang GT 2005 is sex on (four) wheels.

I mean, what's not to like about it!?

[Waylander]

Hmm, back to muscle cars for a second, I personally think that the new Ford Mustang GT 2005 is sex (http://http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=SEX) on (four) wheels.

I mean, what's not to like about it!?
That is not a muscle car though in fact all consideration no mustang is a muscle car. They are sports cars. Muscle cars are more about power and torque and Sports cars are handeling and speed.

[SPORK]

That is not a muscle car though in fact all consideration no mustang is a muscle car. They are sports cars. Muscle cars are more about power and torque and Sports cars are handeling and speed.
Well, my mistake, but it's got killer looks, none the less. There was something on the Star Times about it vs. a Monaro (sp?). Also on the opposite page was an R1 vs CBR1000RR, with nice matching wheelies

[Waylander]

Well, my mistake, but it's got killer looks, none the less. There was something on the Star Times about it vs. a Monaro (sp?). Also on the opposite page was an R1 vs CBR1000RR, with nice matching wheelies
will agree on the looks:niceone:

[John]

That is not a muscle car though in fact all consideration no mustang is a muscle car. They are sports cars. Muscle cars are more about power and torque and Sports cars are handeling and speed.
Handle, american?

Does that work, ahh I love being a clarkson in training that guy is a toss.

[justsomeguy]

Personally the current mustang looks like a piece of shit.

Your pic is of the concept not the production version.

It's too tall, too bulky, too PC...... if you see one in real life you may not be too impressed.
See:
http://clausenbilar.com/MUSTANG%20V6%202005.jpg
http://clausenbilar.com/MUSTANG%20V6%202005%202.jpg
http://clausenbilar.com/MUSTANG%20V6%202005%203.jpg

[Waylander]

Was one out at the auto show at mystery creek a few weeks back. Have to say it looked closer to the concept pic than those pics there mate. The red one did look funny though. Black one was mint as.

[Lou Girardin]

. shady behaviour, but not out of the question for a man so uncertain about his sexuality that he says 'i won't ride the bike because I'm a heterosexual'!!

A scared heterosexual. But what is beyond doubt is the fact that he is straight, no gay guy would dress so badly.

[SPORK]

Personally the current mustang looks like a piece of shit.

Your pic is of the concept not the production version.

It's too tall, too bulky, too PC...... if you see one in real life you may not be too impressed.


Ok then, what about this one?

[Coyote]

Feast your eyes on this. Screw that Mustang

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/gallery/albums/userpics/11418/Laser%21%21%21.JPG

Check out the rust paint job, beautiful

Has an estimate hp rating of 60, top speed of 140kph, and plenty of leg room!

The plastic bag sticking out of the right rear passenger door to stop it from leaking and smelling like cat piss

And the vandilised left headlight

:yeah:

[Coyote]

The Ferrari's in the gargre

[scumdog]

Well, my mistake, but it's got killer looks, none the less. There was something on the Star Times about it vs. a Monaro (sp?). Also on the opposite page was an R1 vs CBR1000RR, with nice matching wheelies

Yeah, the 'stang pipped the Monaro - not by a whole lot but enough.
Saw one in Ch-ch (new 'stang that is) and it looked o.k. by me, you can only expect so much in this p.c. world.

P.S. Ever driven a car hard with traction control? About as much use as chocolate kettle most of the time imho.

[Waylander]

Bring back the old Detroit steel I say!!!http://www.galeriasamochodow.friko.pl/dodge/charger%601969.jpg

[justsomeguy]

Ok then, what about this one?

They are OK..... but no comparison to how good the concepts look or the original mustangs......

Alucard the black mustang was the higher spec version called the GT that runs a 4.6L SOHC 24V V8 as opposed to a 4.0L SOHC 12V V6 in the base model

As for hot looking stangs there's the GTR (http://www.dieselstation.com/archive/2005-Mustang-GTR/index.shtml)

And the recently released GT500 Cobra (http://media.ford.com/newsroom/feature_display.cfm?release=20294)

[madboy]

P.S. Ever driven a car hard with traction control? About as much use as chocolate kettle most of the time imho.You're not talking about one of your company cars are you? I had a rental that bore a similarity to one of your rep cars, and the best thing about the traction control was the off button. Well, for the trip from the motel to Greymouth KFC anyway... rest of the time was with my parents and daughter so it was pretty redundant.