Why Me??

[Sniper]

They say bad things come in 3's. Well just like Celtic_Sea_Lily I had my 3rd one yesterday.I'll start from the beginning so you know why I hate everything except my bike and my girlfriend today.

2 Weeks ago I was cutting up frozen sausages with a rather sharp knife and slipped and removed the tip of one of my fingers. (Couldnt ride for 4 days), on Tuesday I was hit but a car (I was walking aand chatting to a customer) when a German couple in a 2000 Nissan Pulsar desided to clonk me and break 2 ribs and crack 2 and bruise the rest, damage my knee (Again) and generally piss me off. It still didnt stop me riding but I must admit Im a bit sore.

Now, the branch which I have kept afloat, making money and keeping staff on while we went though the difficult time of a fucked up manager who was always drunk, a HUGE staff turnover and money loss till the useless manager left. Then I made more money in this branch than ever made in a history of 8 years and I did it all in 3 months!

Now courtesy of yesterday, I was informed that a casual cleaner who was hired by the fuckwit of a manager earlier, applied for the managers position (there was none) without my knowledge or my other manager in Nelsons knowledge and even though no-one likes him, THE COCK-FAG GOT THE JOB!!!!!!!!!! I mean, has all my hard work been overlooked and have I just been disregarded?? I have worked 6 days a week for the past 8 months and they dont even take that into account.

I feel a wee bit bad and down cause of that, sort of like a kick in the teeth (well to me it did).

So now I am on the path to finding out what happened and also looking for another job with NO intention of helping this new Snob-fuckwit!

Sorry about the rave guys, I just hate this job and everything else today, but Im going to hop on my bike and go for a ride, who knows where I'll end up but hopefully Ill get to meet some of you guys that I have never met before

Sniper :drinknsin

[White trash]

Ummmmm fuck?

Come to Wellys mate, I'll shout you a beer.

Question, why didn't you apply for the job?

[Sniper]

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Question, why didn't you apply for the job?


Because I had the job, Ididnt realise it was advertised, no-one did?

A beer would be nice, I'll shout you all one :drinknsin

[ManDownUnder]

Jees dude - not good...

As a suggestion... if the company made more more in 3 months than it did during the 8 years might I suggest something a bit suspicious going on?

I'm not saying that money was walking out the door, but a couple of clues put together might (and I need to stress MIGHT) mean it was...
1) org was running at a loss for a long time
2) person at the helm had a dependency
3) person leaves and money comes pouring in.

You'll be the best one to judge (better than me that is) but unless the company has undergone a magical transformation in terms of cash coming in... I'd be wondering where is used to be spent...

[Sniper]

Jees dude - not good...

As a suggestion... if the company made more more in 3 months than it did during the 8 years might I suggest something a bit suspicious going on?

I'm not saying that money was walking out the door, but a couple of clues put together might (and I need to stress MIGHT) mean it was...
1) org was running at a loss for a long time
2) person at the helm had a dependency
3) person leaves and money comes pouring in.

You'll be the best one to judge (better than me that is) but unless the company has undergone a magical transformation in terms of cash coming in... I'd be wondering where is used to be spent...


Very true MDU

Previous manager was useless at the job and regularly told customers to piss off, and a few funds were finding their way to HER bank account. Once she left I sorted everything, made more bookings ergo more money for the company and they got it all.

Oh yea for those they dont know I work at a rental car agency. The largest New zealand owned

[Pwalo]

F*&^ them all. Find a new job. Take it as something to learn from and just move on mate.

Now go and polish that CBR.

[TonyB]

Fuggen hell! That is simply unbelievable. No wonder you're pissed off.
I have an idea lurking in the deep recesses of my mind that staff have to be given the oppertunity to apply for new positions when they become available. Could be wrong.
What to do though? Maybe try ringing the powers that be and talking it through with them CALMly and rationally. Make sure you have facts and figures to back you up, and maybe get some other staff members on your side. If you're supposed to be at work today then you really should head in- you won't do yourself any favours by going AWOL
Having said that though- it's a bloody nice day here in Chch :niceone:

[Ms Piggy]

Hey Mate,
Firstly...don't apologise, it not necessary. I find KB's is a great placer to let off steam and get loads of sympathy :niceone:

Secondly...whats happened sucks majorly! I am sorry! Do you have a contract? Maybe you could go to the employment tribunal (?), my Mum was ripped off from an old employer and she took them to those guys & won!

All the best.

[Riff Raff]

I have discovered in my life that things turn to shit for a reason, and no matter how bad it is, something good comes out of it. This might be your cue to look for bigger and better things. How often have we looked back on stuff and thought it was pretty shitty - but look at where we are now? Be positive and look forward to a new and exciting future! :2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

Very true MDU

Previous manager was useless at the job and regularly told customers to piss off, and a few funds were finding their way to HER bank account. Once she left I sorted everything, made more bookings ergo more money for the company and they got it all.

Oh yea for those they dont know I work at a rental car agency. The largest New zealand owned

Interesting...

at the risk of suggesting some subversive actions... (and bearing in mind you'll need to live with whatever reaction your co-workers would have...) I'd suggest there is good cause for a couple of things
1) Contest the appointment of the cleaner (assuming you applied for the job). Employment Tribunal kind of thing. It will possilby/likely look like sour grapes however... not good
2) Put in writing your concerns regarding the financial situation at the branch, with any concrete justifications you have, and any suspicions also. You obviously don't have the authority to investigate bank accounts etc, but the big beanies would be able to rewcognise a cash gap in your branch relative others based on income vs rentals...

The big thing is to look after your self at the moment too. I know it's REAL EASY to gett hot and bothered and pissed off at those above you, but that's not going to help a lot... and yeah - rave on in here, have a few drinks with some mates to let off steam... look after #1.

Good luck man!
MDU

[Sniper]

In reality, after my sleepless night. (Fuck knows why I couldnt sleep??) I thjink Riff has hit the nail on the head. Time to move on. Maybe, dammit

[vifferman]

It sounds like you have a good case for contesting the appointment with the agency's owner(s). If nothing comes of that, then look elsewhere.

But whatever you do, make sure you do it right (take time to cool down), and don't stuff things up for yourself as far as a good reference etc. if you do end up moving on.

Good luck, Dude.

[Paul in NZ]

First rule of these types of disputes.... Don't loose your cool... First one to get angry, will generally loose...

Secondly. Remote managers will (usually) make decisions based on objective evidence, not opinion. Get your actual (verifiable) facts together.

You feel you have been treated badly by your employeer but they may feel that you were too close to the problem (or some other thing - probably wrong) and overlooked you. (insert a billion reasons here). You need to read your contract and find the bit about dispute resolution and request a meeting... They will usually go for the path of least resistance. ie, whats easier, pissing you off or pissing off the new manager? Which law suit will be the least costly.

Or..

Just realise there are a lot of mighty big arseholes out there and revel in the fact that most companies are currently struggling to find decent employees. Start looking for a better job mate...

Cheers

[Ixion]

Because I had the job, Ididnt realise it was advertised, no-one did?



Sorry to hear that mate. That sucks big time. It is really disheartening when you're doing a great job and the boss just says "Thanks great job, and by the way here's a kick in the teeth"

I've been through a few of these situations from both sides (as a union delegate and as a manager). Not wanting to tell you what to do, but just a few thoughts.

First, most important, lock down. What I mean is this. Either head office didn't realise that you were doing a great job or thought you weren't interested in the managers job. In that case blowing your stack is just going to piss them off. One word leads to another and bingo, you don't have a job at all. Or, they knew how good you were and deliberately decided to shit on you, which means they want you out. No point helping them with that until it suits you

So first thing is to talk with the new manager guy. Not a rant session just explain that you're unhappy becuase you fell you've been treated badly. Don't know anything about him so you have to make the call on whether he's an arse licking c**t or not.

Either way you need to explain that you're unhappy and think you've been passed over. If he's an arsehole just put your best hypocrite face on and tell him how much you'll support him blah blah. If he's actually a decent manager then he'll recognise that you're hurting and do what he can to help (Assistant Manager ?). Can't really expect the guy to resign to make way for you.

Second thing is to contact HR if your company has one, and ask for a talk.
Once again, no matter how angry you feel , don't rant (come here and do that with your mates). Just spell out how much you've done for the company and how badly you feel you've been treated. Don't bring in stuff like previous manager drinking, fiddling. If they know it they won't appreciate you reminding them. If they don't they won't really be interested (presume previous manager long gone)

If no HR department talk to next level management at head office.

In either case make a real big point of emphasising that you have no animosity to the new guy, will work with him, see exciting prospects for the branch now that it has his managerial ability and your experience etc etc. In other words, bull shit your arse off.

Whole idea is to get them feeling guilty , and make sure you keep a job while you find another one. Then you tell them to take a running jump. And just occasionally I've seen these sort of things work out. Head office say "we had no idea", new manager feels a bit guilty but is an OK guy, so he gives you some breaks and makes sure head office knows how good you are. Then new manager leaves and you shoe into the job. Or maybe have the inside running for a similar job in another branch


I assume that although you say you already had the job, you didn't actually have the title? If not, then my read is that head office didn't know you existed. Your previous manager doesn't sound like the sort to give credit to anyone, and head office management are notorious for not actually knowing what's going on.

If you actually officially had the title and they've put this new guy in to replace you, then you'd have a good case for constructive dismissal. Problem with any sort of going to court stuff is that you make get a few grand, but in the context of a lifetime it's really nothing. And, especially in a small town, you can end up a marked man on the unofficial blacklists that employers keep.

(BTW, I take it you're not in a union? If you are get them on the case right away).

Hope it all works out for you mate. If it blows up real nasty think about getting a lawyer. :weep:

[Marmoot]

as my Pop said, don't treat a company like it's your own unless it is.

But with your situation, I don't think you can do anything right now if the management has decided to employ the cleaner as the new manager. They can't simply back down from their decision.

But, if you play along, document everything that goes wrong, gather some evidence of incompetence, and build up a good network with your peers (and other branch managers), there should come a time in the (hopefully near) future when you can go around the cleaner to the next level management, tell your story to topple the cleaner regime and get the position yourself.

Be tactical, don't rush.
I don't think you deserve to lose the job over some f*ckwit. Prove you're better.

P.S.
Take this as a "stress management training" for that management position. Doing manager is not as easy as it looks.

[ManDownUnder]

In reality, after my sleepless night. (Fuck knows why I couldnt sleep??) I thjink Riff has hit the nail on the head. Time to move on. Maybe, dammit

Could be...

The time to look for a job is when you don't need one. That way it has to be better than what you have in order to make you move (ergo... no pressure and you don't need to take anything that comes along for financial/pressure reasons).

Look after 'self dude - and talk to the opposition. You know enough about the company you currently work for... and will therefoire be quite an asset to anyone wanting that info :-)

MDU

[Sniper]

Thanks for all the good words guys.

I plan on ringing the big boss and just telling him Im very unhappy and a new job is on the cards

[Joni]

Thanks for all the good words guys.

I plan on ringing the big boss and just telling him Im very unhappy and a new job is on the cards

Really sorry to hear about all of this...its amazing how many people are going through a rough time at the mo! Like CSL said, no need to apologise, we have a great group of people here who would gladly help where ever possible, even if it is shouting a few beers! :niceone:

Maybe tell the boss you are unhappy and let him talk first.... see where he takes it and then deicde left or right? Dunno... :spudwhat:

Good luck! :niceone:

[Paul in NZ]

Yup... Blow your stack here...

Unless your big boss happens to ride a motorcycle and is a member here and... Ooops...

Paul N

[MSTRS]

It's been my experience that useless twats either get fired or promoted to managerial positions. The people that do their jobs & are good at them always get left where they are cos they are the ones that actually create the companies' income. Well done for being good in your job.

[Ixion]

Thanks for all the good words guys.

I plan on ringing the big boss and just telling him Im very unhappy and a new job is on the cards

Uh. If I might be so bold, don't push the "new job on cards" bit. They'll figure that anyway, if you make a point of it they'll just write you off. Figure you're going to go anyway,and think "OK, sooner the better, he'll just be trouble while he stays".

Just say you want to clarify whether there are long term career prospects for you with the company. Bear in mind that big boss probably has no idea that you are interested in promotion. I'll bet you previous manager never told him, and seriously, a lot of people don't want management. Odds are he maybe even hardly knows you exist (not being rude here but a lot of companies management have no idea who branch staff are)

If you make it plain that you are serious about wanting to move up the ladder either (1) they take that on board and keep you in mind for the next chance (which may be a good prospect if you work for a company with lots of branches which I assume is the case) , and it also makes it easier with the new manager guy (assuming he isn't just an arsehole); or (2) they make it clear to you that you're not going anywhere. That means that as far as they are concerned you'll be looking for another job because the company doesn't have a career for you, not because you're pissed off with the decision they made (appointing the new manager). Much better look.

Handle it right and I'd say it's not impossible big boss ends up saying "Hell, I'm sorry . I had no idea you would have been interested in the job. Look try to make the best of it for the moment and the next chance that comes along we'll give you a very fair shot at it". Maybe the company you work for are arseholes. But I wouldn't assume that they deliberately shat on you, until you've confirmed that.

Also, just a thought. Don't diss the new guy too quickly. Yeah he was working as a cleaner, but he must have had some good experience to get the managers job. Sounds like he may have been an experienced manager who was out of work and took a cleaners job because it was all he could get . In which case he's probably a pretty up front sort of guy.

[Lou Girardin]

Because I had the job, Ididnt realise it was advertised, no-one did?

A beer would be nice, I'll shout you all one :drinknsin

You may have a case for a personal grievance hearing. Get some advice.

[Biff]

Shit - that sucks.
My advice is along similar lines as that already been given, and based on experience, remain calm and discuss your concerns with the new managers senior, the area manager perhaps. Make sure you tell this senior person of your dismay at being overlooked, explain clearly why. Make sure you tell them that you are interested in a managerial position. Explain why you believe you'd be good at the job. If you don't receive a satisfying response, then consider moving on. Avoid whinging, be clear and concise. After all, you need to convince this person that you are indeed managerial material.

I wouldn't just jump ship. If you enjoy your job, hang on in there, there may be another opportunity at another branch coming up soon. Ya never know. Then again, there's no harm in looking.

Most importantly – chin up, onwards and upwards etc & if you want to hear my story feel free to PM me.

[Slipstream]

They say bad things come in 3's.

If that's the case ... I'm waiting on number 3 :(

Some people don't like rants on here, but sometimes it's really helpful. People on here care about their fellow bikers.

I had an ongoing problem for quite some time. A few people off here really helped me out, some made it worse for a while but shit happens and I try to make the most from it and take it as a learning experience.

You only live once and it's how you react to situations that make you who you are. I've love challenges and I'm a very competitive person. Life is the biggest challenge of them all and I believe I'm winning :D

:hug:

That sounded really soppy didn't it?

[Krusti]

The things it life that should suck don't and the things that shouldn't do....My experience anyway

[mikey]

i got a great idea,

go on the doll an work at same time. treat it as a pay rise from aunty helen./ isnt she just tops!

[ajturbo]

I have discovered in my life that things turn to shit for a reason, and no matter how bad it is, something good comes out of it. This might be your cue to look for bigger and better things. How often have we looked back on stuff and thought it was pretty shitty - but look at where we are now? Be positive and look forward to a new and exciting future! :2thumbsup


shit news!!!
but take notice of Riff, she should know!!!

similar thing happend to me about 15 years ago....boss hired "brush hand" and put him in charge of the whole gang... we all left, the company went broke :killingme and i ended up employing most of the old team making HEAPS of money!! :Punk:

andy

[Krusti]

When things go wrong
as they sometimes will,
when the road your'e trudging
seems uphill,
when the funds are low,
and the debts are high,
and you want to smile,
but you have to sigh,
when care is pressing you down a bit....
rest if you must - but don't you quit.

Success is failure turned inside out,
the silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
And you never can tell how close you are,
it may be near when it seems afar,
so stick to the fight when you're hardest hit.....
it's when things go wrong,
that you musn't quit.


:niceone:

[StoneChucker]

Sorry to hear mate, I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. I can say that while I agree with Riff's and Slip's optimistic policy, I have long since given up on that, and am pretty unhappy and bitter most of the time now. So, what I'm trying to get at try to find the positive in this (whatever it may be) and use it to your advantage. I'd like to think that persistance and hard work pays off, so it will. Don't dispair mate.

[WINJA]

MAYBE YOU DIDNT AS GOOD A JOB AS YOU THOUGHT YOU DID.
MAYBE YOURE NOT AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE.
SOMETIMES A COMPANY WILL GIVE A POSITION TO SOMEONE TO GET THEM ON BOARD OR RETAIN THEM.
DONT TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF IT , DONT LOSE SLEEP OVER IT , IF YOUR NOT HAPPY LEAVE, UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT A RECORD LOW, YOU MAY GET THE POSITION YOU WANT AT A DIFFERNT COMPANY WITH MORE PAY.
SEE IF THE COMPETITION IS INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER

[Aitch]

Thorw in the words "constructive dismissal". That should make him spluetter in his latte.......