Advice needed on buying a smoker!

[NDORFN]

I'm seriously looking at this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=233303415

I've never had anything to do with 2 strokes and know virtually nothing about them or how they work. I'm an experienced rider and am looking for something with a kick that I can legally ride on a learners (I've been procastinating ok? Shuddup :o) and that I'll be able to take my partner pillion when I've got my full. If you have any constructive advice it would be gratefully appreciated! A few questions I have are...

Do they age gracefully like a good 4 stroke or do they go down-hill after the first few years and become a constant headache?

Do they need servicing often and does it generally involve great expense?

Do they have enough torque to take a pillion or are they all zip and no grunt?

Do they have a resevoir for the oil or do I have to haul around a bottle and mix it every time I fill-up?

Is there likely to be anything that would typically need replacing that the dude who's selling it wouldn't tell me about?

Any advice or comments from anyone who owns or has owned an RS250 or similar bike would be awesome.

Cheers :2thumbsup

[DELLORTO]

how can you be an expirienced rider if your on your learners??
have you ever been to a track day ect? what bikes have you ridden??

this bike has about 70Hp and someone who in inexpirienced will hurt them self they are actualy based on a 250gp bike,

look at vt250's and hyosung 250's they have enough grunt for a pillion

[CookMySock]

If you want to learn about fast two strokes, I'd suggest you start with an RGV or something a little less pricey than the Aprilia.

Steve

[NDORFN]

how can you be an expirienced rider if your on your learners??
have you ever been to a track day ect? what bikes have you ridden??

this bike has about 70Hp and someone who in inexpirienced will hurt them self they are actualy based on a 250gp bike,

look at vt250's and hyosung 250's they have enough grunt for a pillion

I knew some dick would focus on that. I was asking for a judgement on the bike, not the rider. But to answer your questions... 1: I am not on my learners. I don't have a bike licence and never had. Got pinged once about a year ago, other than that, it's never been a priority (until now, for insurance purposes). 2: Never been to a track day, and don't intend to treat the road like a track so it's irrelevant. 3: I won't bother listing bikes I've ridden, only ones I've owned since they're the ones I actually can claim experience on... 1st was an '88 GPX250 which I slowly gained competancy on until I was eventually thrashing the pants off it. 2nd was an '09 Ninja 250 which I took my riding to the point that I can honestly say I've exhausted all potential to improve my riding on that bike... that's it. 3rd will most likely will be an RS250 on which I can go back to square one, slowly getting used to the bike, and over the next year or so slowly expanding my skills and experience until I am safely riding it like it was made for. Happy with that Dad?

[NDORFN]

If you want to learn about fast two strokes, I'd suggest you start with an RGV or something a little less pricey than the Aprilia.

Steve

5 & 1/2 is pretty good for an RS250 innit? I'm not so much into 2 strokes as I am into beautiful bikes with excellent handling, low devaluation, and potential less limited than a 4 stroke 250. I think I'm gonna think about this some more though.

[Str8 Jacket]

5 & 1/2 is pretty good for an RS250 innit? I'm not so much into 2 strokes as I am into beautiful bikes with excellent handling, low devaluation, and potential less limited than a 4 stroke 250. I think I'm gonna think about this some more though.

Me thinks that you're not ready for a 2 smoker...

[crazefox]

dont do it

[NDORFN]

Anyone got anything positive to add?

[Str8 Jacket]

2 smokers rock! :Punk:

[NDORFN]

That's better :Punk:

[CookMySock]

5 & 1/2 is pretty good for an RS250 innit? I'm not so much into 2 strokes as I am into beautiful bikes with excellent handling, low devaluation, and potential less limited than a 4 stroke 250. I think I'm gonna think about this some more though.There was an RGV250 on TM in bits that went for well under a grand. That was just a few weeks ago. I came thissssss close to buying it - if I was closer to it and had the time to go have a rummage through his boxes of bits I'd probably have it here by now.

I'd suggest you purchased something like this ;

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-232453822.htm

Or else leave a trademe search running for "RGV" and just sit back and watch what comes through, and maybe pick up a bargain.

My mate has a KR150 and that thing is completely mental. Also if you want to do something completely different, come over our way and have a play with a watercooled minimoto on the kart track - that will put a curl in your tail.

edit: dont respond to the trolls. Just report them.

Steve


Steve

[NDORFN]

I saw that one and it's nice but to be honest if I'm going to go 2 stroke I want to go with Aprilia. Perhaps this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-232277130.htm

[CookMySock]

Perhaps this...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-232277130.htmI think all you will do is make a cross for yourself to bear.

The RS125 is three times the price of the KR150, and ten times as much to fix. Basically, you won't be able to DO anything with it in fear of breaking it, and that is completely against the whole point of two-smokers.

Do you want to mope around on it and polish it, or do you want to thrash it? If you want to thrash it, then get something cheap, coz ur going to break it.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-229871343.htm

edit: or get a watercooled minimoto and race it. Nasty!

Steve

[Ooky]

Well smokers rock! and as far as road legal ones can't get much better then the Rs250! I sold my 900 after a short ride on a RS like they say smoking is addictive!

few notes will defiantly want to check on service history to check it's had a top end done because it should of had one by those K's:mellow:
It helps if you are mechanically minded because they do need some TLC:love: should be removing and cleaning the powervalves every 4,000k easy job but alitlle time consuming and they suffer the same problem as with the RGV's and the powervalve center pin does like to come loose if not looked after:shit:

apart from that comes down to what you are going to use it for its a great weekend blast bike and awesome on the track (so i've heard getting mine out this summer finally!). Not the best for pillions (just no:mellow:) commuting takes about 10-15min to walm up before you can ride her (any earlier and she either wont move or go pop:sick:) Also they are thirsty little buggers looking at getting about 170k from totaly full to dead empty on a "spirited" road ride and she will eat a liter of 2stroke oil every 800odd k's but luckily its injected so no having to carry around and premix at the servo!

Also when it comes to buying a RS comes down to which model you want also because even though the engine and frame are the same lots of little changes. To name a few the later model has bigger front brakes, the oil and coolant upfront, a 3.5" front tyre over the 3" of the old model, upgraded dash inc lap timer :wari:, but the biggest and most noticeable is the upgraded showa suspension including ride height adjustable rear(a freaking godsend)

well hope that helps! smokers you either love em or hate em! :Punk:

[nodrog]

if its standard it will have an oil tank, run proper oil in it, not cheap shit from supercheap.

rings are supposed to be replaced at 8000k, pistons and rings at 16000k.

oh and they like eating $20 spark plugs.

[NDORFN]

Well smokers rock! and as far as road legal ones can't get much better then the Rs250! I sold my 900 after a short ride on a RS like they say smoking is addictive!

few notes will defiantly want to check on service history to check it's had a top end done because it should of had one by those K's:mellow:
It helps if you are mechanically minded because they do need some TLC:love: should be removing and cleaning the powervalves every 4,000k easy job but alitlle time consuming and they suffer the same problem as with the RGV's and the powervalve center pin does like to come loose if not looked after:shit:

apart from that comes down to what you are going to use it for its a great weekend blast bike and awesome on the track (so i've heard getting mine out this summer finally!). Not the best for pillions (just no:mellow:) commuting takes about 10-15min to walm up before you can ride her (any earlier and she either wont move or go pop:sick:) Also they are thirsty little buggers looking at getting about 170k from totaly full to dead empty on a "spirited" road ride and she will eat a liter of 2stroke oil every 800odd k's but luckily its injected so no having to carry around and premix at the servo!

Also when it comes to buying a RS comes down to which model you want also because even though the engine and frame are the same lots of little changes. To name a few the later model has bigger front brakes, the oil and coolant upfront, a 3.5" front tyre over the 3" of the old model, upgraded dash inc lap timer :wari:, but the biggest and most noticeable is the upgraded showa suspension including ride height adjustable rear(a freaking godsend)

well hope that helps! smokers you either love em or hate em! :Punk:

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! Cheers heaps for that. VERY helpfull :niceone: I now have some pro's and con's to weigh up.

[Leyton]

8000k then to change the rings!!!! Far Out!!!, I suppose its not all bad :) Two smokers are fairly easy to work on.

They are much more simple in mechanical design than a 4 stroke, the science behind them are a little more complex to those who do not have a natural mechanical ability :)

A two stroke has a different power feel compaired to a 4-stroke, and they generaly do not have much tourqe (Correct me if I am wrong 2-strokers!). The power is quite stagey and you have to ride within the power band (Time when the engine most efficent in a nutshell...) there is a whole heap of cool science that goes with it). Anyway... they are basicly all or nothing :). I am basing this on the KDX200 I had, it too had the power valves. The Con's of this bike is that the power was not as usable as a 4-stroker on really technical trails traction wise. It was rooster or nothing.

A Hyosung would make a better pillion bike, mainly because it is very torquey bike. (Sorry to say that hehe).. I loved mine.. it had it's issue but overall I am very glad I started with it.

As someone mentioned earlyer, Give a watercooled pocket bike a run :), The same feeling of power is the same, you get an idea of how a 2-smoker produces its power, and you are REAL low to the ground and not going too fast :P 60km there abouts..

Oh and when you get a bike, Let me know! I will be through scottsman in a jiffy.

[DELLORTO]

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about! Cheers heaps for that. VERY helpfull :niceone: I now have some pro's and con's to weigh up.

pro's

*you'll look cool when riding it
*you can say "im so cool ive got a aprilia"
*no cars can burn you off at the lights"

con's

*you'll probualy kill yourself on it
*your not ready for a bike of this power
*it costs lots to run

im not trying to be as arse but, you like many other riders out there make the mistake of thinking "if i can afford it i can ride it" but thats not the case thats why many bikers kill themselfs every year. Trust me your not expirienced enough for this bike get a kr150 or rg150

[Leyton]

im not trying to be as arse but, you like many other riders out there make the mistake of thinking "if i can afford it i can ride it" but thats not the case thats why many bikers kill themselfs every year.


Without trying to jump on the Wagon, Dellorto's concerns are legit. I do not think I would even own one now to be honest, My skill is not up there yet! And I ride an R6! atleast I have more controllable power, and even that is questionable on the 6 hehe

I have been ridding 2-smoke since I was 6 years old, on the dirt mind you.. where the wheel can slip as much as you like, it's all for fun.

See if you can find one to ride to get a feel for the power, The power is likely to be most violent in corners, where it all counts really, if you are out of the band for example.. and your back wheel slides.. consider yourself power sliding as the engine rev's would have brought it up into the band... and if you have a survival reaction .. IE.. Button off, You are highsiding. 4-Strokers can break loose too.. they are just a bit more predictable.

Riding a 2-stroke requires a lot more participation in control.

I would have one for the track, but I would not feel comfortable using one on the road where it depends on being in the band if I want the power that I am demanding of it, 2-strokers can be violent. 70HP, Farrrr!!!

[fridayflash]

fucken buy it!!! as for people saying your not ready for a 2stroker
wtf!? power valve 2t are nowhere near as savage in power delivery
as the older bikes...i had a 350lc in my teens that could wheelspin
on a dry road right through to 4th gear hehe
but seriously the rs250 is a great bike sporting a well tuned version
of the rgv motor and top spec chassis and suspenders..iv always wanted
on myself lol and in my opinon much better value than fucking about
with an old high mileage 250 2t that has a loose crank, flogged bores
rooted power valves, big ends etc etc etc

[Leyton]

Go for a good hard run on one.. then make up your mind.. and be sensible about it.

If you are as good as rider as you say you are, and have the right attitude and self control. Yes FRICKEN BUY ONE!!! if you liked it..

But Please!, I get enough crap from your old man as it is when I mention how great sundays are! hehe "Leyton, Your only temporary!" so it better be the right choice! hehe

[Ooky]

really it comes down to go for a ride see what you think. The power band will have you trying to write a check on the spot but need to look at it practically such as does it feel right?, is it too much bike for what you need?, Can you do the maintenance or afford to have someone do it?, running costs (you CAN'T skimp on oil or tyres) need fairly soft tyres which chew out pretty quick harder tyres a) don't do the bike justice and b) are pretty loose on such a light bike:shutup:

but I say go for it but just like ANY bike you buy or ride respect it:innocent:

I love the smell of 2stroke in the morning!:2guns:



oh one more thing unlike alot of people say they are more reliable then a north Korean news report

[motorbyclist]

you say you don't treat the road likea track - so why are you buying a track bike? this is not a road bike. it's a 250 gp bike with indicators. what is normally a pass light switch is a lap timer ffs!


1st was an '88 GPX250 which I slowly gained competancy on until I was eventually thrashing the pants off it. 2nd was an '09 Ninja 250 which I took my riding to the point that I can honestly say I've exhausted all potential to improve my riding on that bike... that's it. 3rd will most likely will be an RS250 on which I can go back to square one, slowly getting used to the bike, and over the next year or so slowly expanding my skills and experience until I am safely riding it like it was made for.

please, you asked for opinions so don't go giving shitt to those you don't like.

two strokes need to be revved, otherwise they gum up with oil.

this means you can't simply pootle around getting used to it - it's all or nothing. pure thrash bike. 70hp all the way. the band isn't thaat bad but for someone who's ridden on only 30hp (asfaik) you'll get a fright and if not any injury, a thrill.

commute is dubious unless you're into your "sport commuting". pillion value is purely subjective. first install the pillion seat and pegs. then realise you want something with low down torque and some weight behind it.

because of their thrashing nature, you're looking at regular top end rebuilds. get a tool kit or a decent job and trustworthy mechanic. also, my mate's one, a week before we were going to rebuild it, had the oil pump fail and totally fucked it. reliability on a two stroke is never anything close to a japanese four stroke.

my advice? get something cheaper, rather than the best looking one (poser or rider?) get one that's practical cause you are VERY likely to bin it. ideally, get a 400 fourstroke but legally you can't even though the RS is just as fast and twice as dangerous.

cbr250 or hornet250 are great fun, much better than a ninja in every respect, and much cheaper to fix. the vtr250 is also pretty sweet

[Squiggles]

Hi Performance is high cost... the reason many of the above call the $$ arguement may be just that... skimp a little here and there and it can get expensive further down the track. In return for your $$, you get powah. Not great for communtering unless you're spirited about it (hazardous).

[EJK]

I don't exactly know but I heard Aprilia parts are expensive.

However RS250s are getting rare these days. May worth owning one. Here's some tip I got about riding a two stroke (basic hints (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=2043579&postcount=43))

But in the end, no matter what other's say, the decision is up to YOU not them. They maybe giving you some warnings but if you think you can fulfil the conditions, then why not go for it?

Good luck.

[RDjase]

RS250 would be fun but I would get sick of one as road bike very fast. I use my mates RGV sometimes and its great fun for a thrash and makes my RD (which is a peaky wheel standing bitch lol ) feel like a tourqey old tourer . Have a ride on one (or 2 or 3) and dont rush into it with out a lot of thought. The money you spend one could go a long way to a getting a late model 600 (once you sort the license out)

www.rgv250.co.uk has heaps of info on RGVs and RSs

[NDORFN]

For the first time in my life I've got more than just pocket money to spend on a bike (7k to be exact). You'd think it would be a fun experience :blink: I've looked through every bike on Trademe and have saved only 3 to my hotlist. Given the pros and cons of the RS250, I've come to the conclusion that I just couldn't tolerate THAT noise for the durations that I ride for (the later versions aren't so bad but not worth paying 10k for!), and I really need smooth, torquey throttle response to compliment my riding style. Cheers for the info, advice and opinions fellas.

[motorbyclist]

I really need smooth, torquey throttle response to compliment my riding style. Cheers for the info, advice and opinions fellas.

VTR250

VFR400

go nuts

[CookMySock]

For the first time in my life I've got more than just pocket money to spend on a bike (7k to be exact). You'd think it would be a fun experience :blink: I've looked through every bike on Trademe and have saved only 3 to my hotlist.This time of year, I'd suggest you buy two or three bikes with that amount of money, with a view of getting rid of them toward summer. Make one of them a bike you can just manage to like, and the others should be ones that are easy to resell.

You might not like this idea, but you will not regret it. Invest, don't spend.

edit: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=231362888 look what this bandit sold for..

Steve

[nodrog]

I don't exactly know but I heard Aprilia parts are expensive.

However RS250s are getting rare these days. May worth owning one. Here's some tip I got about riding a two stroke (basic hints (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=2043579&postcount=43))

But in the end, no matter what other's say, the decision is up to YOU not them. They maybe giving you some warnings but if you think you can fulfil the conditions, then why not go for it?

Good luck.

parts are cheap if you buy oem rgv parts that arent repacked in the aprilia packets.

[imdying]

Do they age gracefully like a good 4 stroke or do they go down-hill after the first few years and become a constant headache?They age fine, there's not much to wear out, and the bits that do wear out are relatively cheap (try buying a ZXR250 piston).


Do they need servicing often and does it generally involve great expense?Yes, but it's all do at home stuff... gearbox oil is about a litre, cleaning the power valves is a tooth brush and kero mission.


Do they have enough torque to take a pillion or are they all zip and no grunt?They'll pillion, but it's not fun.


Do they have a resevoir for the oil or do I have to haul around a bottle and mix it every time I fill-up?Yeah, reservoir will do a huge days riding, there's a warning light when it gets low.


Is there likely to be anything that would typically need replacing that the dude who's selling it wouldn't tell me about?Might need pistons and rings, but it'll feel sluggish and won't rev out nicely.


Any advice or comments from anyone who owns or has owned an RS250 or similar bike would be awesome.Always warm it up. On that model, if the temperature display (digital) isn't showing a value, don't ride it till it does.

[imdying]

how can you be an expirienced rider if your on your learners??Everyone I know started on two stroke 250s, they're not hard to ride.


this bike has about 70Hp and someone who in inexpirienced will hurt them self they are actualy based on a 250gp bike,It probably has less than 65hp, and no, inexperienced people just become experienced, it's not some sort of automatic death :rolleyes:


look at vt250's and hyosung 250's they have enough grunt for a pillionNo, they're gutless.


5 & 1/2 is pretty good for an RS250 innit?It's not bad, it's quite an early one though.


Anyone got anything positive to add?You'll never want another 4 stroke, well, until you get fat and lazy :D


Also if you want to do something completely different, come over our way and have a play with a watercooled minimoto on the kart track - that will put a curl in your tail.These are worth a look, they're nasty little bastards.


I saw that one and it's nice but to be honest if I'm going to go 2 stroke I want to go with Aprilia. Perhaps this...If that NSR250 MC21 Rothmans is on trademe still, get that, it's worth the asking.


The RS125 is three times the price of the KR150, and ten times as much to fix.Naw, they're cheap to fix too!!


It helps if you are mechanically minded because they do need some TLC:love: should be removing and cleaning the powervalves every 4,000k easy job but alitlle time consuming and they suffer the same problem as with the RGV's and the powervalve center pin does like to come loose if not looked after:shit:Yup, same motor :yes:


Also they are thirsty little buggers looking at getting about 170k from totaly full to dead empty on a "spirited" road ride and she will eat a liter of 2stroke oil every 800odd k's but luckily its injected so no having to carry around and premix at the servo!Good point. Fuel consumption is high, but worth it.


if its standard it will have an oil tank, run proper oil in it, not cheap shit from supercheap.Another good point... TTS or Motul fully synthetic, you'll never have any trouble from those.


rings are supposed to be replaced at 8000k, pistons and rings at 16000k.

oh and they like eating $20 spark plugs.Naw, rings will go longer than that on a road bike, and they don't eat plugs unless they're due for a rebuild.


Without trying to jump on the Wagon, Dellorto's concerns are legit.Rubbish, they're ramblings from someone with no experience.


this means you can't simply pootle around getting used to it - it's all or nothing.More rubbish, they'll pootle about just find while he gets used to it... sure, it's a waste of a good stroker, but these are still road bikes, the state of tune isn't that high :rolleyes:


I don't exactly know but I heard Aprilia parts are expensive.Bits are plentiful and not that expensive.


I really need smooth, torquey throttle response to compliment my riding style.Well you've come to the right place, they have arseloads of torque in comparison to any other 250, and even better, all that torque is in the top third of the rev range... torque * rpm = POWA :D


VTR250

VFR400Really boring motorcycles... although the VFR400 is quite pretty.

[Taz]

Aren't those RS250's just a tarted up RGV?

[The Pastor]

pro's

*you'll look cool when riding it
*you can say "im so cool ive got a aprilia"
*no cars can burn you off at the lights"

con's

*you'll probualy kill yourself on it
*your not ready for a bike of this power
*it costs lots to run

im not trying to be as arse but, you like many other riders out there make the mistake of thinking "if i can afford it i can ride it" but thats not the case thats why many bikers kill themselfs every year. Trust me your not expirienced enough for this bike get a kr150 or rg150
sorry your a twat, but what do you base this drivel on? have you seen him ride?

[Nsrrider]

Definitely buy yourself a 2smoka Ive ridden plenty of fours cbr600 gsxr1000, but Ive never had as much fun as on my nsr Ive had it for 3 years now. still brings a smile to my face.

Reliability is not an issue, piston rings every 15-20ks and thats about it, use good oil such as elf or motul and youll never have problems with cranks(touch wood)

If it were me buying I would go for an nsr or tzr. People only buy rgvs because parts are plentiful and youll need them

The problem with all jap 2strokes is they are restricted to 45hp nsrs do this by a wire which retards ignition and muffler shape(easily modified) and rgvs/tzrs do it by carb size ports and exhausts which make them very hard/costly to derestrict. Rs's are just derestricted rgvs with the same power valve problem

The moral of the story get an nsr 250 mc21

[McWild]

2 strokes are awesome. They are better than awesome, actually.

But I don't think you should get one. It's not what you're looking for.
You want to pillion someone? Don't expect either of you to be comfortable.
You want smooth, wide torque? Nope, strokers have all the torque in the world, more so than four strokes, but you seem to be looking for it low down in the rev range, which isn't where all the torque is.
Reliability? Don't count on them.
Long trips with straights? They'll do it but they won't enjoy it.

And that first RS250 you posted... I would only recommend that somebody with the experience to inspect it properly even consider it.
It's $5.5k for a start. That should set off some alarm bells considering that other RSs seem to be over $7k. It's listed as 1995 and I'm fairly sure Aprilia didn't produce RS250s til 1997 with production ending in 2003.
And 18,000kms? If the seller had truly had no problems with it, then they're coming. And in a huge way.

2 strokes largely depend on how they've been treated well before you came along. If you're prepared to pay extra for mistakes other people have made with the bike then go for it.

2 strokes are a niche market. IMO they are a whole different breed of motorcycle than anything else. Don't just treat them as another 250, because they're not. You'll ride one fine, and you'll probably enjoy the experience, but make sure you're ready for the stroker experience before you do.

EDIT: Whoops just saw your last post. Feel free to ignore that then.

[DELLORTO]

For the first time in my life I've got more than just pocket money to spend on a bike (7k to be exact). You'd think it would be a fun experience :blink: I've looked through every bike on Trademe and have saved only 3 to my hotlist. Given the pros and cons of the RS250, I've come to the conclusion that I just couldn't tolerate THAT noise for the durations that I ride for (the later versions aren't so bad but not worth paying 10k for!), and I really need smooth, torquey throttle response to compliment my riding style. Cheers for the info, advice and opinions fellas.

buy $4000 250 and save the rest for when you are more expirienced.

[Str8 Jacket]

buy $4000 250 and save the rest for when you are more expirienced.

Oh FFS, you annoy me!

Anyone can ride any fucken bike they want and kill themselves on it. It's *just* a motorbike.

If you're so scared of it, then take the power band out of it, duh! ;)

[NDORFN]

buy $4000 250 and save the rest for when you are more expirienced.

I'm looking at a 91 ZXR250 for $4000 but it has nothing to do with my level of experience. Hope you enjoyed taking advantage of the opportunity to subordinate me based entirely on assumption :niceone:

[koba]

I had heaps to say on all this but imdying has pretty much said it all.

There is some utter shit spouted on the internet that becomes common "wisdom". The moder 'stroker suffers from this.

The lack of torque comment is a buet!

Look here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=2045007&postcount=32) for a professional expaination on that.

The 70 horsepower output of a standard RS250 sounds as optimistic as my 12 inch cock. How does it make heaps more power that an RGV if it has the same engine?!

If you have had an NC30 prepare for similar (Probably slower) performance rather than a huge surprise.
Oh they also weigh around 160kg.

If I had an RS250 as fast as they are made out to be I would be having a good nudge at a Vic Club F3 title!

[motorbyclist]

Everyone I know started on two stroke 250s, they're not hard to ride.

More rubbish, they'll pootle about just find while he gets used to it... sure, it's a waste of a good stroker, but these are still road bikes, the state of tune isn't that high :rolleyes:

that's because a few decades ago all you could get in the learner range was a two stroke :bleh:

and there was a classic in the uni club where an RS rider wanted more power - we took his bike for a good thrashing and returned it - suddenly had moar power! he's never been revving it out, and what he really needed was a four stroke



The lack of torque comment is a buet!

Look here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=2045007&postcount=32) for a professional expaination on that.

well of course a two stroke has as much torque as a four of similar displacement - it's firing twice as often!:weird:

put a 4 stroker on a two stroke and they think it's got no torque cause they didn't rev it into the power, and naturally compare the 250 to it's 400cc four stroke equivalent.



If you have had an NC30 prepare for similar (Probably slower) performance rather than a huge surprise.
Oh they also weigh around 160kg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNRJRVgxtMU

the rs250 and vfr400 are both argued to be the best bikes under 600cc ever made (rvf is probably a better contender but were too rare to claim the status). the vfr may be 165kg, dry, but the centre of gravity is so low it's lighter to handle than any modern 600 of the same weight and the v4 gives so much more useable grunt than the lighter two stroke (and there have been projects that dyno'd past 70 horse!) it just comes down to personal preference and practicality- deal with a 15000km rebuild, mandatory warm up and dodgy powervalve and pay for the privelidge, or go for proven 80,000km or more without engine trouble, 50,000 on a poor example, honda reliability for less than 5 grand.

[Leyton]

If you're so scared of it, then take the power band out of it, duh! ;)

Its just like a rubber band aye ? You just remove it ? :whistle:

[Ooky]

Aren't those RS250's just a tarted up RGV?

same engine but aprilia did manage to squeeze a extra couple of HP out of it as standard through intake and exhaust. But everything else is uprated on the aprilia:drool:

to be honest looking around 55-60hp standard out of the RS but can give them over 70hp quite reliably and up to mid 80's with a lot of rebuilds or over 100 if you want to just do one race between rebuilds:clap:

[NDORFN]

the rs250 and vfr400 are both argued to be the best bikes under 600cc ever made (rvf is probably a better contender but were too rare to claim the status). the vfr may be 165kg, dry, but the centre of gravity is so low it's lighter to handle than any modern 600 of the same weight and the v4 gives so much more useable grunt than the lighter two stroke (and there have been projects that dyno'd past 70 horse!) it just comes down to personal preference and practicality- deal with a 15000km rebuild, mandatory warm up and dodgy powervalve and pay for the privelidge, or go for proven 80,000km or more without engine trouble, 50,000 on a poor example, honda reliability for less than 5 grand.

I'm a fan of the VFR400R but they're rare as rockinghorse shit.

[RDjase]

If you're so scared of it, then take the power band out of it, duh! ;)

Have you got any spare powerbands? My LC needs a new one :bleh:

And i now own a RGV with a broken powervalve :Pokey:

[DELLORTO]

sorry your a twat, but what do you base this drivel on? have you seen him ride?
.....next time you dont have to say sorry....just say "i know everything and you no nothing" that will do it.


and this guy can buy whatever he likes it his money....


i was just warming him about the dangers, since he dosnt know anything about 2 strokes i thought it was wise to tell him not to buy and 250 2t

[DELLORTO]

They age fine, there's not much to wear out, and the bits that do wear out are relatively cheap (try buying a ZXR250 piston).

Yes, but it's all do at home stuff... gearbox oil is about a litre, cleaning the power valves is a tooth brush and kero mission.

They'll pillion, but it's not fun.

Yeah, reservoir will do a huge days riding, there's a warning light when it gets low.

Might need pistons and rings, but it'll feel sluggish and won't rev out nicely.

Always warm it up. On that model, if the temperature display (digital) isn't showing a value, don't ride it till it does.


Oh im sorry, when i know everything like you, ill start posting on kiwibiker.....

[NDORFN]

.....next time you dont have to say sorry....just say "i know everything and you no nothing" that will do it.


and this guy can buy whatever he likes it his money....


i was just warming him about the dangers, since he dosnt know anything about 2 strokes i thought it was wise to tell him not to buy and 250 2t

I didn't know anything about 4 strokes either... until I bought one.

[DELLORTO]

I didn't know anything about 4 strokes either... until I bought one.

well its abit different with 4t's because when you twist the throttle the power comes out in predictable amounts, but 2t's the power comes out whenever it likes and how it likes so its not ideal for road riding and traffic

[NDORFN]

well its abit different with 4t's because when you twist the throttle the power comes out in predictable amounts, but 2t's the power comes out whenever it likes and how it likes so its not ideal for road riding and traffic

I find it hard to believe that they're really that fickle. Why would anyone own one if they were?

[DELLORTO]

I find it hard to believe that they're really that fickle. Why would anyone own one if they were?

because they are cheap,fast and some of them are even reliable :clap:

plus not many people have them anyway i would only use them for racing, my 85cc mx'er is alright but that got abit of getting used to

[The Pastor]

.....next time you dont have to say sorry....just say "i know everything and you no nothing" that will do it.


and this guy can buy whatever he likes it his money....


i was just warming him about the dangers, since he dosnt know anything about 2 strokes i thought it was wise to tell him not to buy and 250 2t
when you make inane comments like "a 2 stroke will kill you" you reek of ignorance and arrogance. Close your mouth and open you mind.

[DELLORTO]

when you make inane comments like "a 2 stroke will kill you" you reek of ignorance and arrogance. Close your mouth and open you mind.

go hit your head on a wall and come back.......hopefully you'l fell better after that :clap:

[NDORFN]

Come on Dellorto, let's be fair here... you lost all credibility when in your first post you suggested I get a Hyosung. You gotta expect a alot of doubt after that.

[DELLORTO]

Come on Dellorto, let's be fair here... you lost all credibility when in your first post you suggested I get a Hyosung. You gotta expect a alot of doubt after that.

you got me there.....lol get a cbr250rr then they are great bikes, they are fast sporty and can do 0-100 in 5.4 seconds!!!

[Ooky]

I find it hard to believe that they're really that fickle. Why would anyone own one if they were?

naw not that fickle it just goes from no power below 5k like 20hp till 8k then full power hence the powerband :clap: just need to ride it like a well two stroke!:rolleyes:

and the best thing is the smell! :first:

[koba]

you got me there.....lol get a cbr250rr then they are great bikes, they are fast sporty and can do 0-100 in 5.4 seconds!!!


But they have fuck all torque and you have to rev the snot out of them to get them going anywhere... :rolleyes:

[koba]

Come on Dellorto, let's be fair here... you lost all credibility when in your first post you suggested I get a Hyosung. You gotta expect a alot of doubt after that.

Seriously man, if you have the coin in your pocket sort out taking one for a ride and decide on wether you want it or not based on what it is really like.

[koba]

and there have been projects that dyno'd past 70 horse.

Ah the old "One of them somewhere dynoed at XX Horspower once so thats how much mine has!"

[NDORFN]

Seriously man, if you have the coin in your pocket sort out taking one for a ride and decide on wether you want it or not based on what it is really like.

I see you own a VFR400. THAT'S what I'd really like to get, more so a RVF400 like this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=232865004. Those bikes suit my riding style perfectly, but I better keep it legal until maybe Xmas or even save a little more and get the new model. I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me... the mechanical maintenance and running costs are something I'll deal with as they come if the riding gets me off.

[Leyton]

I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me...

Good on you man!

The smell of a 2-Stroke is bliss eh

[motorbyclist]

I'm a fan of the VFR400R but they're rare as rockinghorse shit.

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe

also a fair few NSR250 with the sweet single swingarm the vfr also has


I find it hard to believe that they're really that fickle. Why would anyone own one if they were?

either ignorance, arrogance, or precisely because they're fickle. I fit the last category, got my two stroke all the way from nelson to auckland via the east cape, two up.

bike seized and holed a piston yesterday on my morning commute.

oh, and we were two up cause my mates bike seized about 1km down the road from where we left nelson:laugh:


Ah the old "One of them somewhere dynoed at XX Horspower once so thats how much mine has!"

haha i wish - i got the rvf400 so only 53hp, on paper. the power starts at 6g rather than 8 like the vfr but they still had to shorten the gears to make up for the 10% loss on the vfr

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp

[motorbyclist]

but I better keep it legal ....... I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me...

good on ya on both counts:niceone:

[NDORFN]

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe



That's only 6 of them. My daughters rockinghorse shits more than that on the carpet in a day! (well, if that's where it's coming from). Not alot of selection there, 3 of them from the same dealer who like any dealer is overpriced. Is there anywhere else online other than Trademe for buying bikes? It's gone to shit. A year ago you could search any bike and get 20 results. No one wants to sell on there anymore because it costs so much now. I definately wouldn't buy a bike without inspecting so importing is out of the question unless I'm the one in Japan doing the buying. Having said all that, by the time I come to buying one, I'll most likely just front the dosh for the 2008 model and it would have to come from a dealer anyway. You know what? Owning a bike is MUCH cooler than buying a bike.

[Leyton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo-FcMs3c2o <---- OH that looks like FUN!!! Only fluffy white space to bin onto whilst you learn how to control a constant skid! hehe, Gyro is a wonderfull thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYRD5zy-jQ <---- Just a little gas on the balance point!! Oh deer...

[koba]

That's only 6 of them. My daughters rockinghorse shits more than that on the carpet in a day! (well, if that's where it's coming from). Not alot of selection there, 3 of them from the same dealer who like any dealer is overpriced. Is there anywhere else online other than Trademe for buying bikes? It's gone to shit. A year ago you could search any bike and get 20 results. No one wants to sell on there anymore because it costs so much now. I definately wouldn't buy a bike without inspecting so importing is out of the question unless I'm the one in Japan doing the buying. Having said all that, by the time I come to buying one, I'll most likely just front the dosh for the 2008 model and it would have to come from a dealer anyway. You know what? Owning a bike is MUCH cooler than buying a bike.


You are on to it though, the thing that really helps is not paying too much for one! Try offering cash to dealaers for less, if they have just got it in or its been sitting around for ages they may take a price tha is a fair bit lower.

[koba]

wtf? they're available left right and fucking centre! admittedly a mint one is a bit harder to come by on trademe but any dealer can import one with their next container.

there's currently 4 NC30, 1 NC35, and a track NC30 all on trademe

also a fair few NSR250 with the sweet single swingarm the vfr also has



either ignorance, arrogance, or precisely because they're fickle. I fit the last category, got my two stroke all the way from nelson to auckland via the east cape, two up.

bike seized and holed a piston yesterday on my morning commute.

oh, and we were two up cause my mates bike seized about 1km down the road from where we left nelson:laugh:



haha i wish - i got the rvf400 so only 53hp, on paper. the power starts at 6g rather than 8 like the vfr but they still had to shorten the gears to make up for the 10% loss on the vfr

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp




I've only had siezes on two strokes when somthing else has gone wrong.

I think that is the big thing with them, if a four stroke has a problem it runs shit until you go "Shit I've got a prob here.." and a two stoke gets a problem like an air leak in the induction tract and BANG!

I think this is a good reason to buy a Aprilia over an old (Cheap) RGV it is less likely to have niggly little problems that lead to bigger problems.

Did you work out what caused the sieze on your monring commute?




Oh I know that you probably know where things really sit but i have heard the 70hp totted out over and over again, often on trademe auctions. It is miss leading and just plain stupid!

I think that some of the yank 450 VFRs have been close to 100 and RGVs have seen in the 90's but both of course in the very high stages of race development. It is completley irrelevant to a roadbike for sale on trademe.

[koba]

I see you own a VFR400. THAT'S what I'd really like to get, more so a RVF400 like this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=232865004. Those bikes suit my riding style perfectly, but I better keep it legal until maybe Xmas or even save a little more and get the new model. I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me... the mechanical maintenance and running costs are something I'll deal with as they come if the riding gets me off.

My VFR is not quite that nice!

They are great bikes, but so is a 250 two stroke. I would factor what you plan on doing with the bike and how much you ride it into working out whaich one is best
More frequent VFR/RVF better, Less frequent go for the smoker.

A nice RVF is probably a better bet than a '30 if you have the coin.
It looks like you factor residual value into your purchasing plans, the Aprilia and the RVF are both good on that count.

Perhaps you could buy a 250 (Pending a ride of course!) and ride that for a bit, put it on the market a month or so before you get your full and than try an RVF. If I bought an RVF it would be to keep.

[The Pastor]

go hit your head on a wall and come back.......hopefully you'l fell better after that :clap:
so I'm stupid enough to have a conversation with you?

[The Pastor]

just saying with enough money and HRC goodies, both the RS and VFR can pull over 70hp

dont for get the cbr250RR, that can also get over 70hp :D

[DELLORTO]

so I'm stupid enough to have a conversation with you?

i guess so!! :laugh: no suprise there........

[motorbyclist]

I've only had siezes on two strokes when somthing else has gone wrong.

I think that is the big thing with them, if a four stroke has a problem it runs shit until you go "Shit I've got a prob here.." and a two stoke gets a problem like an air leak in the induction tract and BANG!

I think this is a good reason to buy a Aprilia over an old (Cheap) RGV it is less likely to have niggly little problems that lead to bigger problems.
sounds like a good reason to get a cheap two stroke to learn with before an expensive mistake... or get the four stroke ;)


Did you work out what caused the sieze on your monring commute?
well, firstly it looks like detonation, but was running 98 so that's not likely unless there was something seriously wrong with the fuel (she made 2000km on crappy old 91 just fine!)

next, i was topped out wide open throttle on the motorway for the 5 minutes leading up to it, which i knew would have it running lean but again, she did the first few days before we confirmed this was a problem and had no damage....

the piston holed, and then seized by nipping the inlet port on an upstroke. wheel locked and took a but of effort to free the piston again too. There was no obvious power loss leading up to the event.

honestly, i think it was a heat and fuel combo, and maybe had something to do with my cleaning it the day prior. Oil, air and mix were all fine (actually a touch rich to be on the safe side) - but the crappy ol' slide carb tended to run a touch lean while sitting wide open and the heat probably caused the detonation. I don't think it was the plug directly melting the hole.



A nice RVF is probably a better bet than a '30 if you have the coin.
It looks like you factor residual value into your purchasing plans, the Aprilia and the RVF are both good on that count.

having owned an nc30 for some time before being "forced" into an upgrade to the nc35m (was either that or an r6:sick:), i can say the RVF is an all round nicer bike than the VFR - they fixed all the slight issues with the VFR (not that there really was any) and made the perfect bike better looking and nicer handling :)


dont for get the cbr250RR, that can also get over 70hp :D

nothing a turbo won't do eh?:laugh:

i hear with a zxr set of USDs it can stop from 60kph within two metres!

[The Pastor]

2 strokes love the vaired throttle

[SMOKEU]

i hear with a zxr set of USDs it can stop from 60kph within two metres!

Any bike can stop from even 300kmh in 2 metres, just crash into a solid object.

[Leyton]

Any bike can stop from even 300kmh in 2 metres, just crash into a solid object.

2 Meters?, That is a long bike :P

[nosebleed]

pro's

*you'll look cool when riding it
*you can say "im so cool ive got a aprilia"
*no cars can burn you off at the lights"

con's

*you'll probualy kill yourself on it
*your not ready for a bike of this power
*it costs lots to run

im not trying to be as arse but, you like many other riders out there make the mistake of thinking "if i can afford it i can ride it" but thats not the case thats why many bikers kill themselfs every year. Trust me your not expirienced enough for this bike get a kr150 or rg150

Pros:
*Bingo
*Bingo ++
*Bingo

Cons:
Dude they're not some MacGyveresque leaky stick of dynamite that go off if you even so much as look at them wrong


I see you own a VFR400. THAT'S what I'd really like to get, more so a RVF400 like this one http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=232865004. Those bikes suit my riding style perfectly, but I better keep it legal until maybe Xmas or even save a little more and get the new model. I'll be taking a friends RS250 for a decent spin to see 2 stroke riding is for me... the mechanical maintenance and running costs are something I'll deal with as they come if the riding gets me off.

Bingo!

[motorbyclist]

so, how was the testride?

[jade]

God some shit gets posted on the internet
I only read the first 4 pages, forgive me if Im in the wrong since then
Imdying and 1 other person seem to be the only people who know what they are talking about, The people that are telling you all this crap have never ridden 2 strokes - they have just 'heard' all this stuff and are quoting myths

I own my 2nd rs250, a 2000 model - the first was a 94, (production ran from 94-03), before that - I learnt to ride on an NSR250

where do I start, jesus its frustrating.
Ok, #1 - if you can stay upright on a 250 4 stroke then you are going to be ok on these more powerful bikes, yes it goes faster, and yes it takes longer to stop, the power does not come unpredictably or 'spin the wheels' in the blink of an eye.
In the wet, you can spin the rear in the first 3 gears in a straight line no problem
Personally I have only managed to spin the rear 3 times in the dry, and I was trying to do it all 3 times - and 2 of them were so slight they didnt count, the only way you are going to spin the rear in the dry is holding it dead at the sweet spot then leaning over as far as you can go then pinning it
and even then probably only the first 2 gears, Its not an issue - dont twist the throttle too hard.
My RS doesnt make 72hp like claimed, Realisticly its 60 - rgv250.co.uk will tell you that 70hp for the road requires alot of expensive tuning.
In saying that, 1st gear you can flip the bike if you know what you are doing without any clutch (good yank on the bars though)

#2 Reliability, Whilst 2 strokes are renowned for blowing up/fucking out, in my 3 bikes I havent had ANY issues, and I wheelie them, do burnouts, stoppies and thrash the fuck out of them all day every day.

Warm it up idleing for 5 minutes, warm it up below 5000rpm while riding for another 3-5 minutes, then fucking send it

"top end rebuilds" consist of normally, pistons, piston rings, head gasket/ base gasket
The last one I did (having never opened an engine up in my life) I replaced all the above, + gudgeon pins, circlips and small end bearings

I went to my local Suzuki dealer, gave them the part numbers then went and picked up the parts a few days later - TOTAL COST 560 bucks. Put them in myself, what does a service cost ?

Are powervalves a weakpoint ? Supposedly, definately on the rgv, less so on the RS - my bike has gone 33,000 km without any inspection, cleaning or issues - I will inspect/clean when I rebuild shortly (my powervalves have drains)
A top end rebuild is supposed to be done every 10,000 miles, thats 16,000km, I did mine at 26,000 - there were no issues with the bike whatsoever. Warm it up - take care of it and its fine.

Pillions, Yea you can Pillion, had mates on the back, had the missus on the back for 3-4 months, makes wheelies really easy, wouldnt like to do a long distance trip, but I wouldnt want to do it on a 400 either ?

Torque/Road usability - Its fine, Its a motorbike - you twist the throttle let the clutch out and it goes forwards - you can ride all the way up to 6th gear without ever going into the powerband, slower yes, but it will work - its not ALL or nothing like people say - but when you do go into the band - dont you love the noise and acceleration ? My bike gets used as my only form of transport to go to work, trackdays and lane splitting through auckland traffic, actually really good for lanesplitting, cruising at the right revs it is perfect for nipping into gaps that appear then rolling back off the throttle to the same spot for the next one

The problem with these bikes is they love being thrashed, I am exactly the sort of person who should not have one, I have crashed them, rebuilt them, lost my licence 4 times on them, twice from demerits, twice for 28 days from being done at 200km/h, So If you want one, what you need is self control, These bikes will make you a better rider, from both the skill needed to get the most from it and making sure you are in the right gear for entry and exit, rather than riding round in 1 gear on a 4stroke but also maintaining your bike mechanically.
Yes they require more maintenence, but its do it at home shit, Its fun im self taught since owning a 2 stroke and I love tinkering with it anytime.

What else can I say, it looks good, goes good - parts are available - be it rgv parts from a suzuki dealer, genuine aprilia parts from af1racing - or bolt on trick shit from rgv250.co.uk which also happens to have a wealth of knowledge relating to every possible aspect of the bike.
It has top of the line brakes, good suspension, perfect chassis and an awesome engine, easy to work on, fast, light and looks the ducks nuts ?

It'll do a sub 12 second 1/4 mile and will beat any 600 up to 150km/h

I know mine intimately and ride it every day, can control it on either wheel and lean it as far as it goes, yet its still got more to give on the track than I do - I can put it to maybe 50% of its use on the track ?
I know this because even though I was knee down and getting on the gas, a good rider on a 125 race bike went around me and passed me..
Its going up in value too with the 250's getting phased out of motogp.

Ive been in aus for 14 months now, I came back in may to check on my bike in storage, pulled it out, connected the battery and turned it on... and put it back away - Im coming back in a month and gonna spend 3k on it, Whilst I want a thou, Ill wait till summers over, Im happy with the power my bike makes and losing my licence is proof it has enough for the road, Ill never, EVER sell it, unless im building a 500...


Questions ?

[Leyton]

God some shit gets posted on the internet
I only read the first 4 pages, forgive me if Im in the wrong since then
Imdying and 1 other person seem to be the only people who know what they are talking about, The people that are telling you all this crap have never ridden 2 strokes - they have just 'heard' all this stuff and are quoting myths


You seam to thrash on about how you wheelie, bin, loose license 4 times. Yet you provide another perspective on the topic. Well done:niceone:

As for knocking people for giving their perspective, then follow by you giving yours, that's blatently disrespectfull :bash: shame on you.

But then again.... I would go on to say your post is fairly genuine and you have given it deep thought... cool.

Red rep me if you please, I don't give a F@%k

[jade]

Just as a bit extra - Ive always used Castrol TTS from super cheap auto, 27 bucks a litre - every 6-7 tanks I guess ? Filler her up - it lasts for ages

Its also worth noting, that on the 4th day of ownership of my NSR, I highsided at 0kph pulling out of a driveway in the wet, I later went on to hit a car at a decent rate of knots breaking my femeur in 5 places, I spent 4 months on crutches fixing my bike, put vfr forks on it with homemade alloy brackets to hold the callipers on it... Rode it and crashed it when the front wheel locked up 15 minutes into its maiden voyage, Got it home, Remade the brackets so the callipers WERENT rubbing on the discs.. Rode it for a few months, thrashed it, sold it - Even got through a wof LOL ! ... then upgraded to my first RS..
Im doing alright nowdays though, little bit older and wiser,
Driving cars can still be a problem, im alright at reversing - its when shit gets in front of me I have problems

Hell yeah Im a sick cunt

(seriously though im not young and dumb anymore, I dont crash, Im 23 now..)

[NDORFN]

Well I'm off to pick up my new ZXR250 today BUT... I'm utterly sold on the idea of a 2 stroke. I'm convinced that the happy medium for me is to buy a cheap one and use it primarily for blasting around the back roads and on trackdays. The ZXR is in absolutely mint condition and has a warranty and all the rest so I'll be able to spend all my garage time on the 2 stroke, which is new mechanical territory for me and I'm really looking foward to it. Thanks to everyone for the advice. I'm glad I didn't bowl out and buy an RS250, and even glader that I looked into the idea of getting a 2 stroke. Cheers!

[jade]

^^ smart fellah

[Cheshire Cat]

You seam to thrash on about how you wheelie, bin, loose license 4 times. Yet you provide another perspective on the topic. Well done:niceone:

As for knocking people for giving their perspective, then follow by you giving yours, that's blatently disrespectfull :bash: shame on you.

But then again.... I would go on to say your post is fairly genuine and you have given it deep thought... cool.

Red rep me if you please, I don't give a F@%k

Yeah! Shame on you so I'll hit you on the head with a hammer:bash:
:lol:

[imdying]

I'm utterly sold on the idea of a 2 stroke.No surprise there... nobody in their right mind ever brought bigger bikes and then a few years later returned to a 4 stroke 250 to keep them company...

[Ooky]

Just as a bit extra - Ive always used Castrol TTS from super cheap auto, 27 bucks a litre - every 6-7 tanks I guess ? Filler her up - it lasts for ages



heard mixed reviews on that in the RS / RSG's


and well done on the k's without even having to remove and clean powervalves :gob: still need to get some of those vents if doing a rebuild soon able to post up how badly gum'd up the valves were?:scooter:

[jade]

Yep will do, bowt 6 weeks

[motorbyclist]

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I'm glad I didn't bowl out and buy an RS250, and even glader that I looked into the idea of getting a 2 stroke. Cheers!

good move + good attitude = great success!

fark this is probably the best outcome of one of these threads on KB ever.