Changing the bike - a real dilemma

[Blackbird]

Some people seem to change bikes with the regularity that most people change underpants but I don't seem to be able to do that (change bikes, that is :bleh:)

I tend to hang onto bikes for a long time because I spend ages chewing over what suits my purpose. Last time I did it was in 2001 when I bought the 'bird and the choice was obviously right for me because I've loved every minute of owning it.

However, things change and I find myself agonising over the likelihood of selling the 'bird at the end of this summer. I retired last year and as I hang onto bikes, I'm thinking ahead to something which will better suit the coming years (getting older) and a new "fitness for purpose" - a bit lower than the 'bird, a whole lot lighter, a more upright riding position and no need to consider a passenger as Mrs B doesn't pillion any more. I should be excited about a change but as yet, I'm not. Maybe that's a measure of how I rate the 'bird.

Still mulling things over but I have an emotional attachment to the Triumph badge from ownership of several of them a lifetime ago. Currently top of the list are a 675 Street Triple or a Thruxton Bonneville, both in the gloss black option. Early days yet though, although I have permission from Management which is a great start.

I'll advertise the bike on KB when the time comes so if anyone is thinking about a Blackbird in 6 months or so - keep an eye out. This one has all sorts of goodies and is a beaut :niceone:

Sooo... how many other people hang onto their bikes and cherish them, then suffer agonies about replacing them or am I an oddball????

[Swoop]

A big decision to get rid of a trusted steed.

Where you are now located, would an adv. bike be more suitable? There are a few out of the way places that could be visited on one of them.

[wysper]

I hang on to bikes for quite a while too.
Usually a combination of I like what I have and I am too lazy to sell it!!

[vifferman]

However, things change and I find myself agonising over the likelihood of selling the 'bird at the end of this summer.
Really?:eek5:

Sooo... how many other people hang onto their bikes and cherish them, then suffer agonies about replacing them or am I an oddball????
Well... I have a history of not getting that far (and also I don't tend to cherish them so much as wreck them...)
I've written off two, was forced to sell one due to lack of funds at uni, forced to trade one in, and the remaining few I kept until they were tired or I had the opportunity to get something more betterer, which was around 4 or 5 years. Unlike you, I've never owned any remotely new vehicle.
The current one's a bit different - it was about 3 years old when I got it, and not exactly pristine. It's got scruffier under my nearly 5 years of ownership, but also improved a lot too, with better suspension, an Evo Star shift kit, PCII, and a myriad of other improvements. I've thought about test-riding something else, but I've no intention of replacing it. I'd also lose lots of money doing so: it cost me $12k, and I've spent around $3-4k on non-maintenance improvements. Nearly there - just need a Rider seat and a new paintjob.

[slofox]

I've thought about test-riding something else, but I've no intention of replacing it. .

I can relate to that. I'd like something a little more exciting than the SV now, but its hard to find something that would tick all the boxes...(let alone find the money to pay for it...). A bit of tyre kicking is about as far as I have got so far. Anything I like is either too expensive or too thirsty or too tall or something else....ahhh well, just keep on pushing the current one a little harder each day I suppose...until I fall off it and wreck it probably...

[gijoe1313]

Haven't you heard? The bird is the word! Make sure you take it around the coro a few more times before you sell it okay? :yes:

[YellowDog]

Having ridden a Blackbird (once only) I think you need to make sure that whatever you get won't dissapoint you.

There's quite a bit of power and handling to live upto.

I do like the Bonnie SE and especially the classic paint jobs they seem to use. But I doubt it will fill the void.

How about a K1200? I mean a Tiger 1050.
(You did say you DO like heavy bikes)

[CookMySock]

Just buy anything that is a bargain, so you can quit it if its truely horrible, and get through as many bikes as you are able. You might find something fun that never occurred to you.

Steve

[jafar]

get a cruiser:niceone:

[Blackbird]

Aha, so I'm not the only one:niceone:.

Swoop, one of the problems is that at 5'8", I'm a shortarse which largely rules out adventure bikes as far as I'm concerned and besides, whilst I can appreciate them; they don't have that all important "emotional" appeal. If I want to go offroad, I'll take our 4x4:msn-wink:

Ian, I know your problem with all the dough I've spent on suspension and other quality stuff on the 'bird. :rolleyes:

Actually, I'm ok about having less power than I do now. Whilst power is certainly addictive, I've been there, done that as far as speed and riding like a twat (did I really say that?????) and going a bit slower really doesn't bother me. Guess it's a moot point if I end up with a 675 though.

Whatever I end up with, it has to be lighter and preferably a bit lower. Don't feel much affinity for cruisers yet although I do like the looks of the M109.

The saga continues....

[NinjaNanna]

I understand the rationale that's saying, "no more income better get all the big purchases I need to make done now and out of the way."

My advice to you however is:

Take what ever money you were going to put into changing over and stick it in a 2yr term deposit. If in 2 years you can still ride the Bird lock it in for another 2yrs.

Just leave it there accrueing until you are forced to change over due to the body getting old rather than the worry of not having the money available at a later stage drive you to something that may well dissapoint.

[Taz]

get a cruiser:niceone:

And get a perm..... :lol:

[Motu]

Why try to find the elusive bike that suits you? - find one that ticks most of the boxes,and then make it suit you.You are an engineer aren't you? That's what I did....I hated my bike when I got it,now it's perfect.

[Blackbird]

I understand the rationale that's saying, "no more income better get all the big purchases I need to make done now and out of the way."


Err.. sorry but that's not actually my rationale! We have no debt, a bloody good company pension plan that's growing even in these tight times and a good investment portfolio. Within reason, finance doesn't come into it.

Sorry.


Why try to find the elusive bike that suits you? - find one that ticks most of the boxes,and then make it suit you.You are an engineer aren't you? That's what I did....I hated my bike when I got it,now it's perfect.

Correct on all counts, that's what I did with the 'bird. Got to have something that has initial appeal though and both the Triumphs I mentioned are a good starting point for tinkering. Good point!

[martybabe]

I really am beginning to sound like a stuck record but.. A GSX1400 is a good compromise, good looking, loads of get up and go, upright ridding position, not to tall in the saddle and it will remind you of some of the bikes we used to ride in the 70s but tonnes better.

Actually Geoff, I don't think it's what your after at all but Mr Suzuki pays me to put that in every such thread :rolleyes: Truth be told, what you don't know about bikes ain't worth knowing and I guess you know yourself better than anyone with the possible exception of my wife who knows everything so I'm sure you'll find the right bike for you without our help.

Good luck mate, I'll certainly be interested in finding out what you've chosen.:apint:

[Squiggles]

Get a DR650... avoid KLR's like the plague.

[Blackbird]

A GSX1400 is a good compromise, good looking, loads of get up and go, upright ridding position, not to tall in the saddle and it will remind you of some of the bikes we used to ride in the 70s but tonnes better.

Nice try Martin but no commission from Mr Suzuki this time around:clap:. Lovely bike but too heavy for what I want.

Thanks for the compliment but undeserved - striking out into totally uncharted territory!

G

[YellowDog]

The appearance of the M109 is an acquired taste AND has a larger engine that you already pay to run.

IMO: The C50 is a more civilized looking unit.

[AD345]

Victory Vegas

Nuff said

[sinned]

I recall comments you made when I was considering options and I almost bought a bird. In an irrational moment I bought a Hayabusa and have grown to love that decision.


Still mulling things over but I have an emotional attachment to the Triumph badge from ownership of several of them a lifetime ago. Currently top of the list are a 675 Street Triple or a Thruxton Bonneville, both in the gloss black option.


The purchase of either of those bikes indicates a change to where, when and how long you ride. The bird has obviously suited you well and unless your future riding patterns are going to be very different I would question changing to a naked bike. I loved the Speedtriple, and may buy another one, but it was hard work on the longer and fast group rides and insufficient protection in cold temps.
It is going to be a hard road finding the perfect bike after having the bird.

[Swoop]

...one of the problems is that at 5'8", I'm a shortarse which largely rules out adventure bikes as far as I'm concerned
Geeze! You IS a shortarse...:rolleyes:. Oh well. I tried my best for the Adv. community.:msn-wink: GSXR1000?:blip:

get a cruiser
Blackbird said he was getting on in years, not senile!

[sunhuntin]

i try and hang onto bikes if i can. over the last year, ive seriously considered trading or selling my virago. but then i think of all the places weve been, and how damn reliable she is, and i just cant do it. i know id regret selling her. i personally couldnt care less if i never rode another bike for the rest of my life, though i wouldnt mind one day buying back her 500cc sister from my old boss.

[Blackbird]

Geeze! GSXR1000?:blip:


I know you have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek, but no thanks; I don't suffer from small willy syndrome :msn-wink:

[MD]

Blackbird, forget the Thruxton. The riding position is a silly racer crouch. Way too underpowered coming off a Blackbird and uncomfortable.

You might want to wait until year end as rumour has it..There might be a 675 Tiger in the pipeline. That would be ideal. Agile, upright, top motor, comfy and not as tall as the 1050 Tiger.

Another bike I recommend you test ride is the Buell 1125R

[Blackbird]

Blackbird, forget the Thruxton. The riding position is a silly racer crouch. Way too underpowered coming off a Blackbird and uncomfortable.

You might want to wait until year end as rumour has it..There might be a 675 Tiger in the pipeline. That would be ideal. Agile, upright, top motor, comfy and not as tall as the 1050 Tiger.

Another bike I recommend you test ride is the Buell 1125R

Thanks MD - maybe not a silly crouch for a shortarse like me and I crouch already on the 'bird! Power obviously is a consideration but every time I go out on the 'bird, I risk getting locked up as it's all too easy. Interesting about the Tiger rumour :niceone:. Thanks too re the Buell, but no emotional connection with its looks and I'm just finding out just how important that is!

[Motu]

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[Ixion]

Aha, so I'm not the only one:niceone:.

Swoop, one of the problems is that at 5'8", I'm a shortarse which largely rules out adventure bikes as far as I'm concerned and besides, whilst I can appreciate them; they don't have that all important "emotional" appeal. If I want to go offroad, I'll take our 4x4:msn-wink:

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I is the same height and short in the leg besides, and I manage. ADV bikes is good on back roads , not just off road.


Nice try Martin but no commission from Mr Suzuki this time around:clap:. Lovely bike but too heavy for what I want.

Thanks for the compliment but undeserved - striking out into totally uncharted territory!

G

I always reckon that a new bike should be one I feel very uncomfortable with and don't really like. Then I grow into it. A new bike should be something that stretches and challenges you physically intellectually and emotionally. Otherwise, how do you grow?

So look around and pick a bike where your first instinct is "Oh no, no way, I wouldn't be happy on that at all".

Maybe you never *will* be happy on it - but if you don't try you'll never know.

Time enough to stick to the tried and true when you get old.

[mangell6]

You would need to grow a beard if you are to get the 109. I do believe the Thruxton would disappoint you, however the 675 is rather nice BUT does 'er indoors wanna ride with you. There are the Kawasaki ER bikes and the FZ6.

[jafar]

Blackbird said he was getting on in years, not senile!

he's looking @ triumph's , you sure about the senility ?? :bleh:

[BMWST?]

some adv bikes will make the most comfortable road bikes too....why do you think so many are sold and never go off road.

[slowpoke]

I always reckon that a new bike should be one I feel very uncomfortable with and don't really like. Then I grow into it. A new bike should be something that stretches and challenges you physically intellectually and emotionally. Otherwise, how do you grow?

So look around and pick a bike where your first instinct is "Oh no, no way, I wouldn't be happy on that at all".

Maybe you never *will* be happy on it - but if you don't try you'll never know.

Time enough to stick to the tried and true when you get old.

You are smarter than the average bear Ixion, but this one had me scratchin' my admittedly empty head I'm afraid.

Buying a bike you are uncomfortable with is one thing, but buying something you don't actually like is sumthin' else. I can understand wanting to grow, or wanting to challenge yourself, but don't see the point in buying something you have no attraction to.

Having just jumped off (literally) an older sports bike on to a new-ish one I don't think a 675 or similar is going to do the trick. Even a new-ish thou' has no urgency whatsover unless you are prepared to get into the upper reaches of the tacho, and a 600-ish sports bike is only gonna be far worse. Sure they handle/stop like nuthin' else but you'll need +10k rpm up to make any reasonable forward progress. Sure a 675 has more real world urge than an IL4 600 but compared to a gruntmaster like the BB it's still feck all. There are few things more frustrating than opening the throttle......and waiting. A foot flapper you will be (Yoda).

I hear ya with regards to the Buell 1125's, they may be OK once you're riding 'em but I'd be opening the shed with my eyes closed if one them was parked there.

Have fun mate, you aren't marrying whatever you buy, if you don't like it or find something better, sell it and move on.

[slowpoke]

I know you have your tongue firmly planted in your cheek, but no thanks; I don't suffer from small willy syndrome :msn-wink:

Is it still called a "syndrome" if I actually have a small willy?

[jonbuoy]

A lot of the new jap models have great specs on paper but don't push my buttons in the looks department, especially the semi nakeds. I think the early to mid 2000's jappas were far better looking right throughout the range.

[Gremlin]

The first thing I would have to think you need to consider is your likely riding.

You've done long trips before, but will you do them again? Heading into retirement, what sort of riding experience are you looking for?

That will most likely nail down the category of bike, be it faired, semi faired or naked. Nakeds are a lot of fun (and less speed for same fun factor) but more tiring on longer trips due to the exposure. Vice versa etc

I've clocked up a few thousand kilometres on zapf's blackbird, found it far too easy to speed (got my only speeding ticket from it :shutup:), heavy, restrained (never felt like it would let rip, or rip your arms out of your sockets), but a great bike for covering large numbers of kilometres (and day after day).

Less weight, but naked, a hornet 900 really does come to mind. Ohlins rear shock, wide bars, super reliable, cheap servicing etc, but not an "exciting" choice. If you want a Triumph, perhaps the Street or Speed Triple? Then again, if naked isn't your thing, rule the paragraph out.

Regardless, shopping, researching etc, is great fun :niceone:

[sinned]

Have you considered keeping the bird and buying a second bike? The market value of the bird is now unlikely to change for a few years and it should be easy to sell at some stage. Keeping the bird means you can be more radical in choice of second bike as the bird is available for the type of riding you have been doing. A naked bike as a choice of ride for summer and local jaunts makes a lot of sense.
The additional cost is for rego, insurance and loss of interest on the current value of the bird. My rough calcs are it will cost $1k to keep the bird for a year while you play with a newer toy.

[Blackbird]

Well what a fantastic lot you all are:Punk: Under all the piss-taking, they're really intuitive comments to help me step outside my mental box and I'm really grateful for that:hug: Who'd have thought that finding a replacement would be so hard? In the cold light of day, looking at specifications is a relatively small part of the choice. What a bike does for you emotionally when you look at it is almost always going to hold final sway. That's what the 'bird did for me, despite its beaky looks!

I've been riding for over 40 years, have done the twattish riding and high speed stuff, both on the road and drag racing. I still love a good fang but speed honestly isn't that important any more and I'm quite happy to bowl along at a lower pace. Guess that happens as you get older and I suspect that some of Ixion's wisdom is rubbing off at last!

Whilst the Street Triple and Thruxton are on top of the wish list at present, I agree with the comments in that I may hate the things when I've actually ridden them. I'm planning to pop down to Hamilton Motorcycles soon to have a closer look.

I will sell the 'bird because it's a bit too heavy for my future needs and my wife doesn't pillion much any more. However, I won't do it for a few months as I'm tyre testing for an importer at present. That delay will give me time to make a balanced choice(I hope :shutup:). I'll share my thoughts as I get out and actually test a few bikes.

[Swoop]

I think you are in for a rather fun time, going around the different dealerships and trying out a whole raft of different bikes!:Punk:

[vifferman]

In the cold light of day, looking at specifications is a relatively small part of the choice. What a bike does for you emotionally when you look at it is almost always going to hold final sway.
Not just that, Geoff, but what it does for you when you ride it. Whenever I've been considering a new bike, I've test-ridden bikes others have raved about, but they've almost invariably not stirred the soul. I think that has to be the first thing, and if it "does it for you" enough, then looks and quirks (or even significant shortcomings) are kinda irrelevant.
The VFR's like that for me: apart from the urgleee swingarm and hub, and the (now removed front indicators), I love the way it looks. But the big thing is the way it sounds and rides, and the character of the engine (mid-way between a v-twin and IL4). I strongly suspect maybe a Ducati or Triumph triple would also "do it for me", which is one of the reasons I'm reluctant to test-ride those or other bikes.

[one fast tl1ooo]

I have had my gsx 750 katana pop up for 15 years, and will never sell it, :love: it

[MCCFSWS]

How much would you be looking at for your blackbird, Im looking to pick one up in about two months?

[James Deuce]

BMW F800ST.

You'll be seriously surprised.

[Ixion]

You are smarter than the average bear Ixion, but this one had me scratchin' my admittedly empty head I'm afraid.

Buying a bike you are uncomfortable with is one thing, but buying something you don't actually like is sumthin' else. I can understand wanting to grow, or wanting to challenge yourself, but don't see the point in buying something you have no attraction to.

...

Well, because often I have found that after a few months riding the bike I initially found unattractive has become much more attractive.

It wasn't anything wrong with the bike in the first place, it was something wrong with me. I found the bike unattractive because it required skills I didn't posses . After a bit of riding , I necessary improved those skills, and bingo, the unattractive bike became attractive. Or perhaps I needed to change the bars, or the pegs around. Or set aside some prejudice I'd acquired over the years, or unlearn a bad habit that I could get away with on previous bikes, but not on this one.

Of course, some never really click, and I end up saying"OK, I've given it a fair shot, and I'm fairly comfortable with it, but it still isn't really an experience I like". Time then to move on. Some lessons learned, experience gained, all part of life's rich tapestry. I've never owned a bike that I didn't end up liking at least reasonably well. Even the ones where initially I though "OMG What have I done, I hate hate HATE this bike, I'll never be comfortable riding it".

But I'm not talking about the *appearance* of a bike. I ignore that completely, who cares what it *looks* like.

[hospitalfood]

suggestions of BMWs and buells.............mmmmmmmmm.

keep the blackbird and get a second bike. the correct number of bikes to own is n + 1 ( n = the number you currently have ).

don't buy another japanese bike because they suck poo coated cock.

don't test ride a bmw unless you want to own one because they are very nice to ride, if you do want one ( good choice ) ride all the models ( you are not to short ).

the buell 1125 r looks ok with a full fairing, probably adds 2k to the price which is still a heap of bike for the money.

[Blackbird]

How much would you be looking at for your blackbird, Im looking to pick one up in about two months?

PM sent to you

[2wheeldrifter]

Think were you are now Geoff is a great place for a lite nimble bike.... Ducati Monster's, Buells, Aprilia shiver, a nice V-twin on the roads around you would be bliss.
But also maybe a dual purpose bike that you can explore the coast with?.. nah get two bikes and you covered both on and off the road :Punk:

[SPman]

There are few things more frustrating than opening the throttle......and waiting. A foot flapper you will be (Yoda).
Those of us, of an older persuasion and having started off on 100's and 125's and 250's and things, learnt, early on, how to overcome that wee problem......(as best you can).....:shifty:

[Del Fuego]

Personally I don't think you would have an regrets with either of the triumphs you have mentioned.

The Bonnie... is it slow? yes but turn the throttle and you will fall in love, it sounds and feels great. It also handles much better than I was expecting... I was throwing it around corners and having an absolute ball within minutes.

The Street... different machine again but super nimble decent speed (especially round town) and plenty of fun in the twisties.

I could happily live with either of them... if I was mainly riding in town I don't think i could say no to the Bonnie... it just sucks you (and I don't hate being the slow guy) in but if the diet is going to include large helpings of twisty open road shennanigans it would probably have to be the Street...

Either way I would say you would be happy to own either... Oh and take a Buell for a ride, I know they arn't neccesarily the most attractive machine on the block but throttle on out of a corner and the smile may not be removable :D

[Blackbird]

Think were you are now Geoff is a great place for a lite nimble bike.... Ducati Monster's, Buells, Aprilia shiver, a nice V-twin on the roads around you would be bliss.
But also maybe a dual purpose bike that you can explore the coast with?.. nah get two bikes and you covered both on and off the road :Punk:

I spoke to Heath at Hamilton Motorcycles today and will not only look at his Triumphs next week , but the Monster and Beemer too.

2 bikes? Hmmmm.... just bought a 4x4 and a boat for a bit of snapper fishing at the back of our place. It would be more than my life's worth to beg for yet another toy :laugh::laugh:

[jafar]

I spoke to Heath at Hamilton Motorcycles today and will not only look at his Triumphs next week , but the Monster and Beemer too.

2 bikes? Hmmmm.... just bought a 4x4 and a boat for a bit of snapper fishing at the back of our place. It would be more than my life's worth to beg for yet another toy :laugh::laugh:

BMW F800G/S :love:




:shutup:

[Highlander]

I talked and thought about changing from the CB750 I had. I had it 4 years and realy enjoyed it.
Part of my dilema was that there was no real need to change.
I established what I wanted to be different about the new bike from the old one and made a short list of bikes that fit that criteria.

Started test riding a few with the view that there was no hurry to change. Every one I rode, I got back on the CB and thought, "Nah, not worth parting with the money to make the change".

Then I found one that is not one of the ones I had listed as an option before I started testing. I only took it for a ride because it fitted all the criteria I had stipulated and wanted to rule it out. It lit my candle and the decision basically made itself.


Good luck & enjoy.

[Gareth51]

I spoke to Heath at Hamilton Motorcycles today and will not only look at his Triumphs next week , but the Monster and Beemer too.

2 bikes? Hmmm.... just bought a 4x4 and a boat for a bit of snapper fishing at the back of our place. It would be more than my life's worth to beg for yet another toy :laugh::laugh:

He who dies with the most toys wins
It had been 40 yrs since I last owned a bike so the Bonnie was a good choice for me ,easy bike to ride,still quite quick around the corners if you don't mind dragging the pegs on the ground.Will probably trade it in a the SE and keep it for my retirement
Just picked up my Street Triple tonight and took it for a run over the Paekakariki hill down to BEARS meet and back.What a great! little bike,light and easy to handle with plenty of get up and go,just need a bit more pratice to keep the front wheel on the ground.:laugh::Police:

[mossy1200]

Go for bonny.
I had cbr1100xx also and zx12r.now i have the trumpet and loving it.
Very easy to add some personal touches .
Not large power but they are fun to ride and getting it to perform is half that fun.

[shafty]

Hi BB, I was going to say "Try out the F800's"
also - I saw the world stunt champ rev the snot outta his, so they can boogie as and when......

The 675 is the other bike I reckon you'll like, as you've already said.

Have fun.

Report back.

[Zapf]

I will sell the 'bird because it's a bit too heavy for my future needs and my wife doesn't pillion much any more.

Ever thought of replacing the factory exhaust system with a Titanium system with a single can and getting rid of the main stand? I did exactly that and saved a good few kg's.

I am not sure if I will ever get rid of my bird. Out of all the bikes I have had I have kept the CB900 Hornet and the Bird. So that says a few things

[Blackbird]

BMW F800G/S :love:
:shutup:

A cruiser by any other name:innocent:. Nice try, but no chocolate fish!


Ever thought of replacing the factory exhaust system with a Titanium system with a single can and getting rid of the main stand? I did exactly that and saved a good few kg's.

I am not sure if I will ever get rid of my bird. Out of all the bikes I have had I have kept the CB900 Hornet and the Bird. So that says a few things

Nope, doesn't shift the C of G sufficiently. Seat height is also an issue, partially of my own making. I have 8mm of ride height increase on the shock to quicken the steering. I know it sounds daft but I simply couldn't bear to put it back to stock and have it go all heavy on me again. Something lighter with quick steering already is a compelling factor.

[pritch]

Blackbird, I'm looking at similar issues to you. Not quite retired yet but definitely gettin older... Currently the long term planning involves comfortable bikes without undue weight or excessive seat height.

When it's time for the Duc to go it'll possibly be a Deauville or a Bonneville (or preferably both?).

Then again somebody might bring out a "must have" new model...

[Gremlin]

Ever thought of replacing the factory exhaust system with a Titanium system with a single can and getting rid of the main stand?
One tip tho... the akra headers protrude from the fairing a little bit... they can scrape the ground (and not look quite as new as a result) if you try to corner a little too enthusiastically... :innocent:

sorry zapf :dodge:

[zeocen]

hornet

Hey, it'll save you money :D

[modboy]

The thruxton does have a sport style riding position, rear set pegs and dropped handle bars, although the 09 model bars are a little better. I'm (a-hem) mid 40s but I've cycled for years too so used to the forward riding position. As for fun, it's a helluva bike. Triumph are re-releasing a new t-bird next year, might be worth checking out. Or what about the Tiger? I think it's exciting thinking about a new bike, but I do understand the difficulty making the change, what if you get that new bike and (like a new bed) you don't like it.

I rode a vespa for many years - px200 and I can't let it go, they are classics, so it sits in the garage, looking a bit forlorn - but I do ride it to the diary occasionally.

Good luck - and enjoy

[Blackbird]

Well, I rode down to Hamilton Motorcycles today to look at potential replacements for the ‘bird. Firstly, I must say that I was really impressed with Heath, HM’s owner. He basically let the bikes speak for themselves rather than trying to overwhelm me which was just the right approach.:rockon: This trip was simply a “look and feel” to be followed by actual riding at a later date after the height and weight criteria plus other miscellaneous filters had been applied!

First up, the Thruxton Bonnie. Gorgeous-looking bike although red wasn’t to my taste. Feedback from owners had clearly been listened to about the crouched riding position as the 2009 model has had the clip-ons replaced with gently down-curving bars above the top yoke. Ergonomics were ok for me, and I could get my feet down flat.
BUT…
I sat ON it, feeling more like an accessory than being intimately involved with the bike. The traditional seat design undoubtedly contributed to this. Also niggling worries about the quoted 69 bhp being a bridge too far after the 150 or so of the ‘birdie. Soooo….. nice bike, but not for me; at least at this stage.


Next, the Ducati Monster 696. Looked a bit effeminate in white but trying to see past that, ergonomics were pretty darned good, easy to get feet down flat although it felt like I had to look down sharply to view the instrument cluster. Nice bike, maybe a tad bland and still not sure about V twins (just a personal thing) but still a real contender.

Triumph Speed Triple. Looked great and its 189 kg weight seemed to be carried quite low. However, the 815 mm seat height is only marginally less than how I have the ‘bird currently configured. Simply too tall for me.

Finally, the Street Triple! Sling a leg over the seat and woooohoooo – I can get my feet flat on both sides at once! It’s not only the 800 mm seat height that does it, but a very nicely cut shape that doesn’t splay my legs out like John Wayne! Furthermore, the seat shape and relative positions of the pegs and bars are PERFECT for my height and reach – I feel fully part of the bike whereas the others all had some aspects I didn’t like. Also, moving its 169 kg weight about the showroom after the weight of the ‘bird was so easy. And that horny black paint – almost like she was waiting for me, the tart!!

So what next? Well, I had a spectacularly good ride back to Coro on the ‘bird. Turbine smoothness coupled with shattering performance that you almost don’t notice as it’s still delivered so effortlessly. Almost enough to convince me to stop the search but that height and weight sadly ain’t gonna go away! Anyway, I can’t let her go until I’ve completed the full life tyre test I’ve committed to for the tyre importer. Maybe that’s a good thing as I can look around a bit more without any immediate time pressure and also do the all important road testing of potential replacements now that I’ve eliminated some of the “paper” choices.

Speights reckons it's hard to find the perfect woman. Reckon I've got that sorted but it's a bloody sight harder to find the perfect bike!

Also great to catch up with Warren (Warr) over lunch - well overdue. Good to see your enthusiasm is undiminished after recovering from your “off”.

Watch this space… :yes:

[kevfromcoro]

BMW F800G/S :love:




:shutup:

well iam with jafar on this one...

great bike.

[Blackbird]

well iam with jafar on this one...

great bike.

Too tall, don't like the looks. Long live personal taste though. It's a bit like why I fancy Sigourney Weaver immensely and why Gwynneth Paltrow does nothing for me. Both beautiful women and I honestly couldn't tell you why one presses the buttons and the other doesn't. The only certainty is that I don't press either of their buttons:bye:

[Squiggles]

DR650 on the factory lowered settings... Ill convince you eventually.

[Gremlin]

Don't listen to the bike mags and their stats too much. Weights of bikes can be very subjective, based on position of weight, leverage on bars etc.

For example, my 990SM weighs 195kg or something, testers (and mates who have ridden it), we all agree, how on earth does it weigh that much? Once moving, it never feels like its around the 200 mark, and could weigh 50kg less. The CB900 is 203kg and is much heavier to pick up off the side stand etc, and definitely feels like a heavier bike.

FWIW, my experience of the Speed Triple was a fantastic engine, really gorgeous, but suspension, handling and brakes were a big let down (08 model).

[Blackbird]

Don't listen to the bike mags and their stats too much. Weights of bikes can be very subjective, based on position of weight, leverage on bars etc.

For example, my 990SM weighs 195kg or something, testers (and mates who have ridden it), we all agree, how on earth does it weigh that much? Once moving, it never feels like its around the 200 mark, and could weigh 50kg less. The CB900 is 203kg and is much heavier to pick up off the side stand etc, and definitely feels like a heavier bike.

FWIW, my experience of the Speed Triple was a fantastic engine, really gorgeous, but suspension, handling and brakes were a big let down (08 model).

I don't. That's why I started with paper specs and then moved onto "fit and feel", to be followed by riding.

Your phrase "once moving" is right on the money. Once moving above walking pace, the 'bird is fantastic. It's the bit below that which will become an increasingly significant issue :rolleyes:

[pritch]

Don't listen to the bike mags and their stats too much.

It's not entirely the mags' fault some of the manufacturers are less than forthright. I think a few mags actually use their own scales.

Honda weights as given curently are "ready to ride". Some others are dry weights, no fork oil, engine oil, coolant or battery...

Others have been guilty in recent years of just taking a kg or two off the oppositions' claimed weight.

So if you want to start taking the published weights into consideration you really do need to read the small print.

[short-circuit]

Take the Street Triple for a ride - go on you know you want to :blip:

[Blackbird]

Take the Street Triple for a ride - go on you know you want to :blip:

I don't think you read my last post:bleh:. Any doubts or downside about your purchase?

[short-circuit]

I don't think you read my last post:bleh:. Any doubts or downside about your purchase?

None.....

except beware I've spent upwards of 7k in mods and accessories


so far....

[oldrider]

Hey Geoff, maybe I missed it but you don't mention having tried a Triumph Tiger 1050!

If I was not going to have a pillion, I would certainly be trying one of those out.

I am patiently waiting for the new Thunderbird to be available for a test ride too.

The name "Triumph Thunderbird" has always done it for me, fickle bastard eh!

Even though it's a cruiser now, it still tickles my fancy and anyway I actually like cruisers.

I, like you, am getting closer to the ground and find the height and weight of the Tiger harder to handle at low speed.

That is the only thing that is of concern or I would keep it forever! :niceone:

Thought you might be down this way after your retirement but like the rest of us, retirement keeps you too bloody busy!

How did we ever have time to go to work? :doh:

[short-circuit]

Hey Geoff, maybe I missed it but you don't mention having tried a Triumph Tiger 1050!

If I was not going to have a pillion, I would certainly be trying one of those out.

I am patiently waiting for the new Thunderbird to be available for a test ride too.

The name "Triumph Thunderbird" has always done it for me, fickle bastard eh!

Even though it's a cruiser now, it still tickles my fancy and anyway I actually like cruisers.

I, like you, am getting closer to the ground and find the height and weight of the Tiger harder to handle at low speed.

That is the only thing that is of concern or I would keep it forever! :niceone:

Thought you might be down this way after your retirement but like the rest of us, retirement keeps you too bloody busy!

How did we ever have time to go to work? :doh:

I think I'm in the same boat as Geoff - If we both struggling to flat foot a Speedy then he'll be legless on a Tiger

[Blackbird]

Hi John:niceone:

Short Circuit has got it in one!

I dare say that I will be down south again with the lads but not sure when. Next trip will be for our daughter's M.Psych graduation ceremony when we actually have a date. The plan is to drive down in Jennie's MX 5 and do a bit of tiki-touring again whilst we're down there.

Yep, retirement is busy - don't know how I had time to work. Also doing work as a Senior Net tutor! A case of the partially-sighted leading the blind if ever there was one:eek:

[Gremlin]

It's not entirely the mags' fault some of the manufacturers are less than forthright. I think a few mags actually use their own scales.

So if you want to start taking the published weights into consideration you really do need to read the small print.
Yep, its not the mag's fault in some cases, my point was more, there are some out there who judge bikes based solely on the review in the mag, or choose bikes based on weights/stats in the mags.

Just saying, best to use mags to open your mind to possibilities, then go see them for yourself. Some mags are clearly biased anyway.

ie, my 990SM. At almost 200kg on paper, you'd think it was a porky bastard (shut up Devil :bleh:) but ride it, and it will scare most people. The seemingly small amount of 115hp etc will still loft the front easily in gears 1-3. So get out and ride the bikes :niceone:

[insomnia01]

Well Geoff, I was wondering when this decision to sell the BB was going to happen... I hope all your aches & pains have healed as I can see you hammering them Coro hills for a few years yet man !!

Interesting selection of bikes so far One that comes to mind ( after having spoken to the Ulysses owner ) ever thought of a Aprillia Tuono ?? Good riding position, heaps of grunt & not to bad on the eye :scooter::scooter:

[Blackbird]

Well Geoff, I was wondering when this decision to sell the BB was going to happen... I hope all your aches & pains have healed as I can see you hammering them Coro hills for a few years yet man !!

Interesting selection of bikes so far One that comes to mind ( after having spoken to the Ulysses owner ) ever thought of a Aprillia Tuono ?? Good riding position, heaps of grunt & not to bad on the eye :scooter::scooter:

Hi Hami:rockon:

Not without a lot of anguish, I tell you! There's a bit of my soul in that bike.

Not a bad choice but still too tall for shortarses like me :yes:. Don't forget ro call in when you're up this way.

[Indiana_Jones]

Currently top of the list are a 675 Street Triple or a Thruxton Bonneville, both in the gloss black option.

Go for the striple!

Well test ride one at least, you'll have fun :scooter:

-Indy

[oldrider]

Too tall, don't like the looks. Long live personal taste though. It's a bit like why I fancy Sigourney Weaver immensely and why Gwynneth Paltrow does nothing for me. Both beautiful women and I honestly couldn't tell you why one presses the buttons and the other doesn't. The only certainty is that I don't press either of their buttons:bye:

Just re reading the thread and springs to mind, might be OK if you could take them both for a test ride or two though! :yes: