2010 NZ Superbike Road Race Championship dates confirmed

[Matt Bleck]

this from www.kiwiracer.co.nz

Round 1 Ruapuna Christchurch(including the NZ Grand Prix Titles) January 16th/17th

Round2 Teretonga Invercargill January 23rd/24th

Round 3 Levels Raceway Timaru January 30th February 1st

Round 4 Manfeild Raceway February 27th/28th

Round 5 Hampton Downs Auckland March 27th/28th Including the NZ TT Titles

[zxr400#150]

Awsome!! might have to do the manfeild and hampton downs rounds.
might have to miss paeroa tho as it will be the week b4 the manfeild round

[JayRacer37]

Great, month between the NI rounds AND no Pukekohe :(

[Bren_chch]

Round 5 Hampton Downs Auckland March 27th/28th Including the NZ TT Titles

UNLUCKY KIRK!!! :Pokey:

[k14]

Great, month between the NI rounds AND no Pukekohe :(
Yeah well at least you're not getting married on one of the days!! :mad:

[JayRacer37]

Yeah well at least you're not getting married on one of the days!! :mad:

Umm...Do'h? Didn't you let MNZ know that day wasn't a go!? ;)

Ah well, you can get married any day :D

[Whitebait]

Umm...Do'h? Didn't you let MNZ know that day wasn't a go!? ;)

Ah well, you can get married any day :D

Good call, might as well push it out a week and have another 168hrs of freedom.

Dates look good to me!

Are these the actual confirmed dates..............??????

[Tony.OK]

If ya include the Tri series (manfeild, wanga's & taupo), then add in Paeroa.........................that is a f*ck load of racing in a short time period, when it rains it pours huh.

[slowpoke]

The dates aren't perfect but with my work roster that's prolly about as good as I could hope for: 5 outta 6. :2thumbsup

Now I've just gotta hope they run a Clubman's/Run What Ya Brung/No Idea What I'm Doing type class at each of them....

[scrivy]

Yeah well at least you're not getting married on one of the days!! :mad:

Dude.......... I planned to get married at a race meeting!!!!!!!!
Wanganui street race 1997. 15,000 spectators, mayor of Wanganui as the celebrant, TV, lap of honour......
Was great!!

Wanna get married at the Taupo Road Race Spectacular? :shifty:

[NinjaBoy]

While there is no doubt KiwiRacer is a great resource... but why am I finding out about these dates through them rather than MNZ ?

[k14]

While there is no doubt KiwiRacer is a great resource... but why am I finding out about these dates through them rather than MNZ ?
Yes I had those exact same thoughts. I would say wait another week or two before you book any flights/motels. I wouldn't class them as confirmed yet.

[Shaun S]

I cant even access the MNZ website, let alone check if the dates are up. :confused:

I agree, wait a week or two.

[Rcktfsh]

Shame that the earlier plan to compress the 3 South Island rounds into 2 weeks has been shelved. But on the positive side nice to finally have some confirmed dates (if they are actually confirmed).

[lostinflyz]

Shame that the earlier plan to compress the 3 South Island rounds into 2 weeks has been shelved. But on the positive side nice to finally have some confirmed dates (if they are actually confirmed).

shame the north island meets are a month apart - on the same day as the canterbury enduro meet too.

[jellywrestler]

Ah well, you can get married any day :D


best to get married in the morning, then if it doesn't work out you havn't wasted a whole day...

[Kickaha]

Great, month between the NI rounds AND no Pukekohe :(

Not having Pukekohe is bloody great I won't miss that shithole and we've been shafted on the NI rounds not being consecutive weekends for years

[Rcktfsh]

shame the north island meets are a month apart - on the same day as the canterbury enduro meet too.

The Ferry operators will be stoked.

[Robert Taylor]

Not having Pukekohe is bloody great I won't miss that shithole and we've been shafted on the NI rounds not being consecutive weekends for years

There might only be one round in the North Island yet, remember that Hamstrung Downs is not yet finished....

[Quasievil]

Just to be negative for a moment

Great another season of same ole same ole poor format, low interest, low participation NZ Nationals wooooop wooooop cant wait .................not

[JayRacer37]

Not having Pukekohe is bloody great I won't miss that shithole and we've been shafted on the NI rounds not being consecutive weekends for years

Nah, Puke's exciting...something that some other tracks in NZ miss a bit. Yeah, seems dumb to penalise the SI lot because the NI doesn't have enough tracks. Seems a shame to skip Puke and not have a 6 round nationals. The more races, the better the championship...

[Quasievil]

The more races, the better the championship...

I dont think so bro...........the more races the worse the championship.

[JayRacer37]

I dont think so bro...........the more races the worse the championship.

Why is that? Prefer a winner from the one race? Thats a RACE. A championship is a winner after being tested to be so in more than one event.

[Shaun]

Nah, Puke's exciting...something that some other tracks in NZ miss a bit. Yeah, seems dumb to penalise the SI lot because the NI doesn't have enough tracks. Seems a shame to skip Puke and not have a 6 round nationals. The more races, the better the championship...


You are on Drugs! The track is shit hole, and it hurts people when they crash big time! How many people are in wheel chairs now from that pit

[Shaun]

Yes I had those exact same thoughts. I would say wait another week or two before you book any flights/motels. I wouldn't class them as confirmed yet.



If it is posted on that site, IT IS FACT.

[Quasievil]

Why is that? Prefer a winner from the one race? Thats a RACE. A championship is a winner after being tested to be so in more than one event.

Well depends how you look at it, for me I think more races = more money for the racers = less entries, which = less than the low numbers already.

Couple that with the current scene

low numbers entries = low profile = low no. of spectators and media interest = who gives a shit.

Ive been banging on about it heaps lately, but Im bored trying to get people to see my ideas. But in a nutshell the whole nationals as a competition is flawed, and it will never be a grest event until its radically changed.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Nah, Puke's exciting...something that some other tracks in NZ miss a bit. Yeah, seems dumb to penalise the SI lot because the NI doesn't have enough tracks. Seems a shame to skip Puke and not have a 6 round nationals. The more races, the better the championship...


I dont think so bro...........the more races the worse the championship.

ahhh, the beauty of differing opinions.

I don't like puke, sure the fast corners are exciting, but it gets boring fast (not technically challenging) and it's dangerous as hell.

But I do like a championship with more rounds in it. But then a final with a big event would be cool.

Bring on Hampton Downs!

[Toot Toot]

How many people are in wheel chairs now from that pit

Or dead. Personally attended and witnessed three fatalities in two AMCC meetings there. And 2x wheelchairs from Ford mountain.

[sharky]

You are on Drugs! The track is shit hole, and it hurts people when they crash big time! How many people are in wheel chairs now from that pit


That Isle of Man place is well safe in comparison eh?:shutup:

[Matt Bleck]

Nah, Puke's exciting...something that some other tracks in NZ miss a bit. Yeah, seems dumb to penalise the SI lot because the NI doesn't have enough tracks. Seems a shame to skip Puke and not have a 6 round nationals. The more races, the better the championship...
There could be 6 rounds, and that extra could be Taupo?

Does anyone know why it isn't already part of the Nationals? No club to run it? To dangerous?

[Peter Smith]

There could be 6 rounds, and that extra could be Taupo?

Does anyone know why it isn't already part of the Nationals? No club to run it? To dangerous?


Your right, No club to run it.

[Biggles08]

Your right, No club to run it.

Who's running the Hampton Downs round then???? AMCC?

[Peter Smith]

Who's running the Hampton Downs round then???? AMCC?

I would presume so.

[Biggles08]

I would presume so.

Surely that would be just as expensive to run a Nat meeting at Hampton Downs as in Taupo...they run the Paeroa BOTS so why couldn't they run a Nat meeting in Taupo? Don't get me wrong I love the fact that the final round is going to be at Hampton Downs BUT I am more interested in the reasoning behind this now AND why they have in the past refused to run meetings anywhere apart from the big shitty hole commonly known as pukekohe.

[Peter Smith]

Surely that would be just as expensive to run a Nat meeting at Hampton Downs as in Taupo...they run the Paeroa BOTS so why couldn't they run a Nat meeting in Taupo? Don't get me wrong I love the fact that the final round is going to be at Hampton Downs BUT I am more interested in the reasoning behind this now AND why they have in the past refused to run meetings anywhere apart from the big shitty hole commonly known as pukekohe.

The Taupo track is nice but it has more patches than than a gang meeting.

[sharky]

Surely that would be just as expensive to run a Nat meeting at Hampton Downs as in Taupo...they run the Paeroa BOTS so why couldn't they run a Nat meeting in Taupo? Don't get me wrong I love the fact that the final round is going to be at Hampton Downs BUT I am more interested in the reasoning behind this now AND why they have in the past refused to run meetings anywhere apart from the big shitty hole commonly known as pukekohe.


Financial reasons I guess. Suppose they figure that with all the hype about Hampton Downs, that will attract more entries and spectators and make it worthwhile in monetary sense/cents.

[Shaun]

That Isle of Man place is well safe in comparison eh?:shutup:


Use your brains if you can please_ ( ONly taking the Piss)

The ROAD is the ROad and IS dangerous

A race track should be safe

Why has Mat Maladin QUIT in the USA ??? Safety!

[malcy25]

Or dead. Personally attended and witnessed three fatalities in two AMCC meetings there. And 2x wheelchairs from Ford mountain.

Ahhh, the same old half truths, inuendo and rumours about Pukekohe. I reckon this one must come around every 3-4 months.

Questions:
1) So, how many of those fatalities at the 07 and 08 national championship meetings were a result specifically of the track...?

Answer: None.
The 07 Sidecar accident on the front straight. How many Circuits DON"T have walls separating the main straight and pit lane? The reason was a technical failure in the steering of the sidecar - and if the same had happened at Manfeild, Ruapuna, Phillip Island, taupo, the same result would have happened. Can't see how that is a fault of Pukekohe?

The 08 double fatality - so if the same had happened at another circuit, are you saying that majically, neither rider would have died when one at terminal velocity ran into the back of another rider travelling at a much lower velocity because they were NOT at Pukekohe? Even at the slowest circuits we have in NZ the speed difference could easily be 100+ km/h (shit you only need to be going 160 and someone doing 60) and that'll kill you.

2) People in Wheelchairs:
yes, the area around the hill is not the greatest and I know I take my time through there, much to my detriment. But I also understand one of the riders who was okay subsequently hurt his back in a work incident....

Taupo and Manfeild if you pay attention also have shitty spots.
Taupo Mid length circuit where you re-enter the mainstraight (the one they use for drag racing) is through a gap in a concrete wall, get punted by someone entering theer and where do you end up?
How's the corner of the Pit wall on the start/finish straight.....hm, not keen on hitting that....
Manfeild: Not so much a regular there so not intrinsically aware of issues. But I have been showered with concrete chips standing at Pit wall when a rider coming through the last kink onto the main straight where the startline line is, hit the wall right in front of me.....
Been a few fatal accidents there over the years too, IIRC.

I'm not defending Puke, but lets get the facts straight and also recognise many other circuits have some pretty interesting issues as well, which seem never to get raised here, but in my opinion are just as dangerous.

[Shaun]

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Originally Posted by Toot Toot
Or dead. Personally attended and witnessed three fatalities in two AMCC meetings there. And 2x wheelchairs from Ford mountain.

Ahhh, the same old half truths, inuendo and rumours about Pukekohe. I reckon this one must come around every 3-4 months.



YES IT DOES, why? because it is all fact, and the shit hole has a negative history

[malcy25]

Shaun

Why does it come around? Kiwibiker Urban myth and herd mentality....

[jellywrestler]

we've been shafted on the NI rounds not being consecutive weekends for years

this is odd, at least with modern airfares being so cheap southerners can travel home with relative ease between meetings and organise storage etc for their vehicle while its up north whereas northerners are virtually stuck down south for a three week period.
nothing you do will suit everyone...

[Billy]

Manfeild,Has had 4 motorcycling deaths since its inception in 1973 during competition.
An un named sidecar swinger in the early 80s,
Huggy Bear (John Marsh)International meeting 1985,
Chris Dawes Vic club meeting 1995
Owen Brunton Vic club winter series meeting 2005.

However Motor racing is dangerous no matter where its held and as the Manfeild caretaker told myself and Jim Tuckerman when we tried to implement some safety changes at the track after Chris Dawes death"If you guys are happy to race at Wanganui where there are Lamp posts and gutters etc,Then dont come here and ask us to make the place safer"Yes Puke is dangerous and personally I hate the place (havent ridden there since the national points round in 89 and have no intention of ever going back)

My first meeting there in 1979 I had the displeasure of being directly behind and witnessing the death of a rider(Peter Lovelock) and I dont think I ever got my head around that,But thats my problem,Not the tracks.If the track was that dangerous then Im sure MNZ would have done something about it as they did temporarily a few years back.When does it stop being the tracks fault and become the riders???

[Shaun]

Shaun

Why does it come around? Kiwibiker Urban myth and herd mentality....

sorry mate, No comprendo your question

[Shaun S]

Manfeild,Has had 4 motorcycling deaths since its inception in 1973 during competition.OK so let compare apples with apples, seeing malcy25 says we are herding - how many people have lost their lives at Puke since its "inception"?

[Swoop]

I am a little puzzled as to why the Superbike Road Race Championship appears to be held at a series of racetracks.

[Shaun]

I am a little puzzled as to why the Superbike Road Race Championship appears to be held at a series of racetracks.



hmmmm, ALL championships for motorcycle racing world wide, are held at different tracks, this is the best way of obtaining the best all round Champion, as all tracks offer different issues

[Robert Taylor]

hmmmm, ALL championships for motorcycle racing world wide, are held at different tracks, this is the best way of obtaining the best all round Champion, as all tracks offer different issues

Exactly so

[Peter Smith]

Quote:

Ahhh, the same old half truths, inuendo and rumours about Pukekohe. I reckon this one must come around every 3-4 months.

YES IT DOES, why? because it is all fact, and the shit hole has a negative history[/QUOTE]

It is good that NZ has a variety of track types.
Pukekohe is a high speed track, so when things go wrong you are more likely to get seriously hurt. Phillip Island is another track where you can carry alot of corner speed.
I didn't like Puke at first, but after several race meetings I quite like it.
It would be bloody boring if all the tracks were as tight as Taupo.
Street races are also very dangerous, so it comes down to the rider to decide how much he wants to push the limits.

[Burrt Badger]

Back on track, so to speak, as to why it is more expensive for AMCC to run at Taupo, rather than Pukekohe or Hampton Downs. UMMMM, gee thats tough. As a track worker, if I go to Taupo to work at a circuit, the club pays for me to stay down there for one or two night, depending on the meeting. If I am working at Pukekohe or Hampton Downs, I will Drive/Ride my own vehicle to and from on both days, and get a donation of $20.00 for petrol, but I stay at my home overnight. 40 or so Track Workers and Officials accommodation and transport is not a cheap proposition. Think before you shoot from the lip guys.

[boomer]

Back on track, so to speak, as to why it is more expensive for AMCC to run at Taupo, rather than Pukekohe or Hampton Downs. UMMMM, gee thats tough. As a track worker, if I go to Taupo to work at a circuit, the club pays for me to stay down there for one or two night, depending on the meeting. If I am working at Pukekohe or Hampton Downs, I will Drive/Ride my own vehicle to and from on both days, and get a donation of $20.00 for petrol, but I stay at my home overnight. 40 or so Track Workers and Officials accommodation and transport is not a cheap proposition. Think before you shoot from the lip guys.

tents are free.. its not an executive jolly!

[Burrt Badger]

Provide me with a tent, and I, and probably many like me, turn around and go home or don't even bother fronting up. Don't need 5 star accommodation, but I don't do tents. We volunteer to give up our weekends to enable you guys to race. Doesn't worry me if I take my toy out and go fishing or riding instead of going and working at the racing to let you play with your toy.

[Robert Taylor]

Provide me with a tent, and I, and probably many like me, turn around and go home or don't even bother fronting up. Don't need 5 star accommodation, but I don't do tents. We volunteer to give up our weekends to enable you guys to race. Doesn't worry me if I take my toy out and go fishing or riding instead of going and working at the racing to let you play with your toy.

VERY WELL SAID, there is so much that is taken for granted. Circuits like Hampton are going to require a lot more marshals etc because of blind crests. Where are they all going to come from?
There are so many people doing things for no gain and sometimes I get the feeling that the more you do for nicks the more that is expected.

[Kickaha]

It is good that NZ has a variety of track types.
Pukekohe is a high speed track, so when things go wrong you are more likely to get seriously hurt.

It's not to do with the actual speed, it's to do with the fact there is no runoff in seriously fast parts of the track when things go wrong

How many people has the Hill at Puke crippled or seriously injured?

[scrivy]

I am a little puzzled as to why the Superbike Road Race Championship appears to be held at a series of racetracks.

The Superbike MotoX series is held at goat tracks, and the Superbike buckets are held at cart tracks............

Or am I on a different tangent?????? :yes::shifty::whocares:






Piss taking again.............

[KS34]

Come on Guys and Girls, I think we are bloody lucky we still have a National Superbike series, put your head down... Bum up and look for sponsors and ways to enter so we continue to have one!

[Sketchy_Racer]

Come on Guys and Girls, I think we are bloody lucky we still have a National Superbike series, put your head down... Bum up and look for sponsors and ways to enter so we continue to have one!

What he said!!

I thought for a little while there 'nationals' was going to have to be the Suzuki Tri Series.

Bring on Hampton Downs! Glad there's no Puke round!

[Shaun]

What he said!!

I thought for a little while there 'nationals' was going to have to be the Suzuki Tri Series.

Bring on Hampton Downs! Glad there's no Puke round!



You will be just as slow at Hampton as you are at Manfeild, (pffft 1-10.4 in the winter) so why bother to travell there:wari:

[Biggles08]

Ahhh, the same old half truths, inuendo and rumours about Pukekohe. I reckon this one must come around every 3-4 months.

Questions:
1) So, how many of those fatalities at the 07 and 08 national championship meetings were a result specifically of the track...?

Answer: None.
The 07 Sidecar accident on the front straight. How many Circuits DON"T have walls separating the main straight and pit lane? The reason was a technical failure in the steering of the sidecar - and if the same had happened at Manfeild, Ruapuna, Phillip Island, taupo, the same result would have happened. Can't see how that is a fault of Pukekohe?

The 08 double fatality - so if the same had happened at another circuit, are you saying that majically, neither rider would have died when one at terminal velocity ran into the back of another rider travelling at a much lower velocity because they were NOT at Pukekohe? Even at the slowest circuits we have in NZ the speed difference could easily be 100+ km/h (shit you only need to be going 160 and someone doing 60) and that'll kill you.

2) People in Wheelchairs:
yes, the area around the hill is not the greatest and I know I take my time through there, much to my detriment. But I also understand one of the riders who was okay subsequently hurt his back in a work incident....

Taupo and Manfeild if you pay attention also have shitty spots.
Taupo Mid length circuit where you re-enter the mainstraight (the one they use for drag racing) is through a gap in a concrete wall, get punted by someone entering theer and where do you end up?
How's the corner of the Pit wall on the start/finish straight.....hm, not keen on hitting that....
Manfeild: Not so much a regular there so not intrinsically aware of issues. But I have been showered with concrete chips standing at Pit wall when a rider coming through the last kink onto the main straight where the startline line is, hit the wall right in front of me.....
Been a few fatal accidents there over the years too, IIRC.

I'm not defending Puke, but lets get the facts straight and also recognise many other circuits have some pretty interesting issues as well, which seem never to get raised here, but in my opinion are just as dangerous.

Are you serious Malcy25???? It dangerous and any halfwit can see that from history...its not a 'half truth' or 'inuendo' it what it is...fact! Like has been said, its not the actual track thats the problem its the lack of run off in particular areas that need it! I was behind Sam Smith at the practice day for the nats this year and I saw him fly into the wall just before going over the hill to the front straight and quite honestly he is a very lucky man to still be with us...it could have been so much worse very easily. Do you race Malcy25? have you been in a race around pukekohe? I would pick you haven't if you think its a safe track!:blink:

[Swoop]

hmmmm, ALL championships for motorcycle racing world wide, are held at different tracks, this is the best way of obtaining the best all round Champion, as all tracks offer different issues
Fair enough description, but a track isn't a road. Why the name of the Championship?
Surely "The NZ Superbike Championship" would be more apt?


(Serious question. Just asking.)

[Benk]

Fair enough description, but a track isn't a road. Why the name of the Championship?
Surely "The NZ Superbike Championship" would be more apt?


(Serious question. Just asking.)

Its road racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_racing) mate, not track racing FFS

[malcy25]

Are you serious Malcy25???? It dangerous and any halfwit can see that from history...its not a 'half truth' or 'inuendo' it what it is...fact! Like has been said, its not the actual track thats the problem its the lack of run off in particular areas that need it! I was behind Sam Smith at the practice day for the nats this year and I saw him fly into the wall just before going over the hill to the front straight and quite honestly he is a very lucky man to still be with us...it could have been so much worse very easily. Do you race Malcy25? have you been in a race around pukekohe? I would pick you haven't if you think its a safe track!:blink:

Ahh, I see Biggles goes off half cocked again! So exactly where did I say I thought it was a safe track? I'll make it simple for you... I didn't. I even said I'm not defending Pukekohe.

I do however get pissed when facts get distorted badly - like attributing the tragic death of three riders to the "Pukekohe Vortex", those incidents had NOTHING to do with the track safety and the same result would have happened at any other circuit.

As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?

[scrivy]

As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?

I've got a few, going cheap..... :shutup::shit:

[sinfull]

I have a plaque !!!! I do ! It says i came 3rd in a series woohooo


Lol pride of place on my wall, that lonely ol clubmans plaque has !

[Swoop]

Its road racing mate, not track racing FFS

Aha! The differentiation is now evident when compared to track racing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oval_track).
The descriptive wording is misleading, especially when considering the word "road".

Road racing can be of two types: in the first, car or motorcycle races are run on specially built, closed circuit courses; in the second, public roads are temporarily closed off for the purpose of conducting a race. Notable examples of this include the Monaco Grand Prix.

[roogazza]

Ahh, I see Biggles goes off half cocked again! So exactly where did I say I thought it was a safe track? I'll make it simple for you... I didn't. I even said I'm not defending Pukekohe.

As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?

ooops ! :corn:

[Quasievil]

As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?



BWAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Shame !!!

fuck thats funny, one up for malcy25, so malcy maybe you could intro yourself a bit.

[Shaun]

Fair enough description, but a track isn't a road. Why the name of the Championship?
Surely "The NZ Superbike Championship" would be more apt?


(Serious question. Just asking.)


IT clarifies to the media/punters, that is Road based bikes championship, NOT dirt or some thing, and it is NOT the NZ Superbike Championship either, there are about 5 classes out there that get NO mention from the title description.

[Shaun]

Ahh, I see Biggles goes off half cocked again! So exactly where did I say I thought it was a safe track? I'll make it simple for you... I didn't. I even said I'm not defending Pukekohe.

I do however get pissed when facts get distorted badly - like attributing the tragic death of three riders to the "Pukekohe Vortex", those incidents had NOTHING to do with the track safety and the same result would have happened at any other circuit.

As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?


Who the hell are you then? Put your real name to your post if you are going to challenge mate. Every one Know's who Biggles is on here, as he currently races, and has helped to promote track days.

Pukekohe is a SHIT hole, and my guess is you raced many many years ago? When we never really thought about the safety issue's, as we used to a nation of "WE CAN DO ANYTHING"

[Shaun S]

and my guess is you raced many many years ago?I sort of agree with you on this one, there are a few racers on this site that have not been doing it for 20 odd years, yet their mouths are pretty big about current situations.

Either your option - or he racer in a "minor class" - sorry no offence to anyone, but this guy does not smell like a superbike rider who has faced going off a bumpy track with no run off at over 250km's odd an hour. (Not that racing a post classic bike for example is any less important, the repercussions just get bigger and bigger the faster you go).

I suppose I will be flamed for this post, but I am hoping people get my drift.

[Shaun S]

Oh and in an attempt to stay on topic - how aboue those new confirmed nationals dated eh? :scooter:

[malcy25]

I sort of agree with you on this one, there are a few racers on this site that have not been doing it for 20 odd years, yet their mouths are pretty big about current situations.

Either your option - or he racer in a "minor class" - sorry no offence to anyone, but this guy does not smell like a superbike rider who has faced going off a bumpy track with no run off at over 250km's odd an hour. (Not that racing a post classic bike for example is any less important, the repercussions just get bigger and bigger the faster you go).

I suppose I will be flamed for this post, but I am hoping people get my drift.

Flamed - nah, not from me!

If I recall correctly, worldwide, 125GP bikes have the highest mid corner speed of all.....shouldn't they be heard the most as if they get in the shit they'll be going the fastest when they hit the deck, travel the furthest on their arse and most likely to hit a solid object?

Me?
1) Current Licence holder. There are a few racers on this site that HAVE been doing it for 20+ years. I'm one of them. Last time I checked it was just about to click over 25 years. Rest assured, I have been there and done that.

2) Licence gets used multiple times each year.

3) So, when does the classes I ride in have anything to do with the value of my views? Solid objects are solid objects when you hit them! I dislike hitting solid objects as much as anyone else...

4) hmmm, for what it is worth, one of the race bikes in the garage will blow through 250km/h as it's hooking 5th gear with another one to go after that. Intererestingly, it's the most challenging in the handling. But I don't feel that is important.

Back on topic....
Shaun S - I made a call a day or so back asking if the dates were Kosha. The answer was yes.

[Shaun]

Flamed - nah, not from me!

If I recall correctly, worldwide, 125GP bikes have the highest mid corner speed of all.....shouldn't they be heard the most as if they get in the shit they'll be going the fastest when they hit the deck, travel the furthest on their arse and most likely to hit a solid object?

Me?
1) Current Licence holder. There are a few racers on this site that HAVE been doing it for 20+ years. I'm one of them. Last time I checked it was just about to click over 25 years. Rest assured, I have been there and done that.

2) Licence gets used multiple times each year.

3) So, when does the classes I ride in have anything to do with the value of my views? Solid objects are solid objects when you hit them! I dislike hitting solid objects as much as anyone else...

4) hmmm, for what it is worth, one of the race bikes in the garage will blow through 250km/h as it's hooking 5th gear with another one to go after that. Intererestingly, it's the most challenging in the handling. But I don't feel that is important.

Back on topic....
Shaun S - I made a call a day or so back asking if the dates were Kosha. The answer was yes.


TZ 750;s are fast YES

[wharfy]

I've got a few, going cheap..... :shutup::shit:

How much mate ? Buying one will be the only way I get one !!!

[Billy]

I sort of agree with you on this one, there are a few racers on this site that have not been doing it for 20 odd years, yet their mouths are pretty big about current situations.



I suppose I will be flamed for this post, but I am hoping people get my drift.

Not at all,Why would you be flamed if what you say is true.So who are the old guys that get on here with their bigmouths who havent raced for 20 odd years ????.Incidently,The TZ350 I rode back in the 80s was clocked at 166MPH !! Thats over 250ks isnt it?? Oh and you forgot too mention the track layout has been modified over the years for safety reasons and when they put the much talked about armco in they also pulled out the lightstand that use too be inbetween the track and the old fence at turn1 and they removed the bank at the old turn 6.I have a sneaky suspicion the current superbikes and 600s may handle a tad better than the TZ 350s/750s,Gs1000s etc of old as well.If your right and there are a few guys that get on here who havent raced for 20 years they are far outnumbered by the experts I have seen on here who have been racing for 5 years or less and yet they know everything,Makes me wonder why theyre not in Moto GP ???.If you read Malcy25s post properly he never said it wasnt dangerous and neither did anybody else,So is a gun if you load it and point it at your head and pull the trigger.If you get my drift

[Biggles08]

Ahh, I see Biggles goes off half cocked again! So exactly where did I say I thought it was a safe track? I'll make it simple for you... I didn't. I even said I'm not defending Pukekohe.

And then you proceeded to defend it?!


I do however get pissed when facts get distorted badly - like attributing the tragic death of three riders to the "Pukekohe Vortex", those incidents had NOTHING to do with the track safety and the same result would have happened at any other circuit.

Whilst you may be correct you just as easily may be wrong... Pukekohe is most probably the single fastest track in NZ. So the incidences you have refered to may have had a differing outcome if similar occurances happened on other slower tracks that have wider exit paths and more run off....or not. We will never know and its a mute point so I have nothing further to add.


As to my racing pedigree? I have a NZ Grand Prix title. Do you?
No but I have a far more impressive 'wank medal' of being the 2008 PMCC summer series clubmans champion....do you?:blink:

[Whitebait]

Awesome!!!

Looking forward to a full series!:Punk:

Hampton Downs is gonna be outstanding.

Hope to see more of you on the grid than last year.............:shifty:

[Peter Smith]

No but I have a far more impressive 'wank medal' of being the 2008 PMCC summer series clubmans champion....do you?:blink:


Clubmans medal verses National GP title, are you serious.:shutup:
You got the name of your medal right though.:laugh:

Seriously though lets get back to the National rounds this year, if you want to bitch about Pukekohe start another thread, maybe start a club and you could be president of the Puke Haters Club.:girlfight:

Good luck at the Nats this year.:Punk:

[Biggles08]

Clubmans medal verses National GP title, are you serious.:shutup:

ummmm....no....are you....really???:blink:



Seriously though lets get back to the National rounds this year, if you want to bitch about Pukekohe start another thread, maybe start a club and you could be president of the Puke Hater Club.:girlfight:
There is not really a worthwhile response to this Peter...I have serious issues with the safety of Pukekohe as many others do...I don't make a noise about things just for the sake of it. While others may have differing opinions to mine I still maintain the quicker we move away from racing bikes at Pukekohe the better for the safety of our sport...bring on Hampton Downs for the National Rounds![/QUOTE]


Good luck at the Nats this year.:Punk:

Thanks...if I end up doing them.

[Tony.OK]

Hell its lucky Paeroa isn't very popular :innocent:

220+ brushing an elbow on haybales had me tingling...............but I am only a muppet:laugh:

People even get hurt on a dragstrip, thats racing.

Bring on the Nats......................tell everyone you know!!!!!!!

[malcy25]

And then you proceeded to defend it?!

Whilst you may be correct you just as easily may be wrong... Pukekohe is most probably the single fastest track in NZ. So the incidences you have refered to may have had a differing outcome if similar occurances happened on other slower tracks that have wider exit paths and more run off....or not. We will never know and its a mute point so I have nothing further to add.

No but I have a far more impressive 'wank medal' of being the 2008 PMCC summer series clubmans champion....do you?:blink:
3 responses to the 3 paras above....
1) nope.
2) I'm sure the quote "You're not wrong" was coined for me!!
3) I'm also sure it was a highlight of your career.

Can't be arsed really. Back on topic - as I said earlier, I checked and the dates are kosha. Who's riding what, where and doing the whole series? What's the gossip on new bikes and rider changes?

[scrivy]

How much mate ? Buying one will be the only way I get one !!!

5 x GP winners medals, 5 x GP trophies, and 3 x 2nd place GP trophies.

How much you gunna bid mate?? :shifty: :yes:

[Kickaha]

5 x GP winners medals, 5 x GP trophies, and 3 x 2nd place GP trophies.

So it must be true then that if you turn up often enough they give you a trophy can't see any other way you would have got yours :finger:

[Toot Toot]

Malcy, I dont know who you are, or your experiences with Pukekohe race track. You also do not know who I am or my involvment with motoracing in New Zealand. Lets not get into a mightier than thou competition.
I can tell you that I do have a lot of experience in NZ MotorSport, not just bikes, but A1 GP, V8 Supercars, World Rally etc etc.. (I'm not a flag marshall).
I did not attribute the double fatality on the back straight directly to the track as you implied, but I can tell you it certainly had an influence, it occured right after the kink with no flag marshall points between Castrol and the hairpin to warn riders coming through the kink of a slowing bike.
The incidents on Ford Mountain are directly as a result of poor track design.
Pukekohe is one of the fastest circuits in the Southern Hemisphere, and this alone is a contributing factor in many of the crashes. I know, this is racing but I can tell you this... There are a number of meetings that we are on high alert for and number one is Pukekohe National Superbike Round, followed by Paeroa BOTS, then Dunlop Targa, then NZ V8's, and so on. It is not hearsay, KB rumour, or whatever, it is fact. That circuit is dangerous.

[quickbuck]

Provide me with a tent, and I, and probably many like me, turn around and go home or don't even bother fronting up. Don't need 5 star accommodation, but I don't do tents. We volunteer to give up our weekends to enable you guys to race. Doesn't worry me if I take my toy out and go fishing or riding instead of going and working at the racing to let you play with your toy.

So you aren't in the Territorials then?

[Kickaha]

it occured right after the kink with no flag marshall points between Castrol and the hairpin to warn riders coming through the kink of a slowing bike..

Isn't there a Marshall point on the outside of the track at or near the kink? as I thought they put someone in it after the accident

[Toot Toot]

Isn't there a Marshall point on the outside of the track at or near the kink? as I thought they put someone in it after the accident
Yes ..Bit late tho eh.?


It was there since the first V8 Supercar meeting, but not utilised by most other meetings as it was thought unneccasary when they are stretched enough as it is for flaggies.

[scrivy]

So it must be true then that if you turn up often enough they give you a trophy can't see any other way you would have got yours :finger:

Mate, with sweet talk like that, you just wanna be my passenger eh???:yes:

You closet Scrivy fan!!! :love:

[malcy25]

Malcy, I dont know who you are, or your experiences with Pukekohe race track. You also do not know who I am or my involvment with motoracing in New Zealand. Lets not get into a mightier than thou competition.
I can tell you that I do have a lot of experience in NZ MotorSport, not just bikes, but A1 GP, V8 Supercars, World Rally etc etc.. (I'm not a flag marshall).
I did not attribute the double fatality on the back straight directly to the track as you implied, but I can tell you it certainly had an influence, it occured right after the kink with no flag marshall points between Castrol and the hairpin to warn riders coming through the kink of a slowing bike.
The incidents on Ford Mountain are directly as a result of poor track design.
Pukekohe is one of the fastest circuits in the Southern Hemisphere, and this alone is a contributing factor in many of the crashes. I know, this is racing but I can tell you this... There are a number of meetings that we are on high alert for and number one is Pukekohe National Superbike Round, followed by Paeroa BOTS, then Dunlop Targa, then NZ V8's, and so on. It is not hearsay, KB rumour, or whatever, it is fact. That circuit is dangerous.

Toot Toot.
Good and well thought out response thanks. I wasn't implying that you attributed the back straight incident to Pukekohe, but that was very much the way it read to meand how I commented. However, you have been able to expand in a manner which has put some good context on it with regards to the flag marshall point, though I'd still contend that that is not necessarily a track design issue as such, but that there were probably any number of contributing factors, which all joined together. These individual issues on their own on the day may be not enough to cause an incident, but combined, did.

I'm guessing you must like your motorsport...!!

Cheers ears

[k14]

I think focusing on the recent years multiple deaths at pukekohe while making good statistics for getting rid of the track they are most likely unrelated to track design. However if you focus on the very bad injuries that have resulted from crashes in recent years then pukekohe is the only track making the statistics there.

Take for instance Avalon Biddles broken femur in March. The only reason that happened was due to the armco being so close. Any other track in NZ and the injuries most likely would have been confined to bumps and bruises. Then you have the multiple guys that have been paralysed, i think the number is 3 or 4 in the last 4 or 5 years. I don't know of anyone else being that badly injured (yes there have been maybe 2 fatalities in recent times at other tracks, again they fall into the "same outcome at any track" category) at another track in NZ in recent times. These again are straight down to poor track design.

I for one am incredible happy that I will never have to race there again. It is a very exhilirating track but as I get a little older I just can't bring myself to ride 10/10ths around there.

[scrivy]

Yes, Puke is CRAP!!
But, I think some people may be less awe inspired when they take a look at Hampton Downs blind up hill corner, with concrete barriers on both sides. Akin to Bathurst.
Great fun in the wet (read NOT) - hopefully they've thought of water runoff, and also marshall points before the blind apex?

Another great car track in the making maybe???? :yes:

[Biggles08]

Can't be arsed really.

I really can't be arsed....ask anyone who knows me!:shifty:

[Biggles08]

I think focusing on the recent years multiple deaths at pukekohe while making good statistics for getting rid of the track they are most likely unrelated to track design. However if you focus on the very bad injuries that have resulted from crashes in recent years then pukekohe is the only track making the statistics there.

Take for instance Avalon Biddles broken femur in March. The only reason that happened was due to the armco being so close. Any other track in NZ and the injuries most likely would have been confined to bumps and bruises. Then you have the multiple guys that have been paralysed, i think the number is 3 or 4 in the last 4 or 5 years. I don't know of anyone else being that badly injured (yes there have been maybe 2 fatalities in recent times at other tracks, again they fall into the "same outcome at any track" category) at another track in NZ in recent times. These again are straight down to poor track design.

I for one am incredible happy that I will never have to race there again. It is a very exhilirating track but as I get a little older I just can't bring myself to ride 10/10ths around there.

Brilliant post K14 and I could not agree with you more!

[Toot Toot]

No problem Macy, good debate is healthy to get to the bottom of problems eh.

[Kickaha]

Mate, with sweet talk like that, you just wanna be my passenger eh???:yes:

Can't be that hard if Bob can do it