Calling GSXR Gurus asap

[CHOPPA]

Hey guys, i got a GSXR 1000 k7 its got a bunch of fault codes coming up and i want to A, get rid of them B, find out if i cant get rid of them will it make my bike slower!!

Light is flashing due to fitting full system and prob something to do with o2 sensor. I raced all my last races with some tape over the light

Sb code has also started flashing because i disconnected standard damper.


Any clues??

Antibiodics doesnt work on this one and thats the only cure i know!!

Oh also temp is in bloody fahrengay

[Shaun]

Hey guys, i got a GSXR 1000 k7 its got a bunch of fault codes coming up and i want to A, get rid of them B, find out if i cant get rid of them will it make my bike slower!!

Light is flashing due to fitting full system and prob something to do with o2 sensor. I raced all my last races with some tape over the light

Sb code has also started flashing because i disconnected standard damper.


Any clues??

Antibiodics doesnt work on this one and thats the only cure i know!!

Oh also temp is in bloody fahrengay



RE the 02 sensor, you need to remove a certain wire from the ECU to illiminate this, but put tape over light for now, it is NOT causing any trouble at all!!

SB Code, Man I am confused, 07 GSXR did not have a electronic stearing dampner?

If you have more drama, post the Actuall numbers that show up on the fault dash dude, and get yourself a dam manual on your lap top!!!

[Deano]

Have you asked Jimmy ? I'm sure he had a few issues with fault codes on one of his Gixxers.

[Cajun]

step one -> There's a black wire 5th in from the right, top row on the black connector to the ECM. Cutting and taping or removing this wire will disable both the O2 and the SET valve. Both will improve your riding experience for being gone.

Damper - you need to put a restistor in (finding out what is correct one)
or you can 'Remove the solenloid from the OEM damper & plug it back in, wrap it with plastic, & nylon tie it out of the way. You will need a torx anti-tamper (security) bit to remove it'

[Cajun]

how to remove Steering Damper code DIY -> http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189624&highlight=Steering+Damper+Eliminator+DIY

[Pussy]

There is an Ohlins "plug and play" resistor available, too. RT can get them/has probably got them.
Give Ray Clee a call, Sloan... he'll know exactly which wire to remove from the ECU for the exhaust FI code.

[CHOPPA]

All sorted cheers guys!! It was a bit scary cutting cables but all worked out and i just pulled the oem damper apart and plugged the plugs back in stoked!!

[Robert Taylor]

RE the 02 sensor, you need to remove a certain wire from the ECU to illiminate this, but put tape over light for now, it is NOT causing any trouble at all!!

SB Code, Man I am confused, 07 GSXR did not have a electronic stearing dampner?

If you have more drama, post the Actuall numbers that show up on the fault dash dude, and get yourself a dam manual on your lap top!!!

Yes they do have an electronic steering damper standard.

Chop, we have Ohlins plug in resistor kits in stock, to plug straight in to the standard multiblock connector. You should have asked me about it on Monday when you were in my workshop, you were 3 metres away from these resistors!!

[Cajun]

All sorted cheers guys!! It was a bit scary cutting cables but all worked out and i just pulled the oem damper apart and plugged the plugs back in stoked!!

All good ya got it sorted.

gixxer.com has dones of info

[Frenchy]

All sorted cheers guys!! It was a bit scary cutting cables but all worked out and i just pulled the oem damper apart and plugged the plugs back in stoked!!

sweet now there are no excuses, :) good luck

[Shaun]

Yes they do have an electronic steering damper standard.

Chop, we have Ohlins plug in resistor kits in stock, to plug straight in to the standard multiblock connector. You should have asked me about it on Monday when you were in my workshop, you were 3 metres away from these resistors!!



well that confirms I am a moron then!

I thought they did not start with them untill 08- WOOPS

[codgyoleracer]

Once you measure the resitnace head to Dick Smiths, resistor will cost 10c, connect it up & heat shrink it. Tape it somehwere it wont vibrate and forget it forever.

[Robert Taylor]

Once you measure the resitnace head to Dick Smiths, resistor will cost 10c, connect it up & heat shrink it. Tape it somehwere it wont vibrate and forget it forever.

VERY INCORRECT, there is a lot of current meaning that it has to be a very high wattage resistor, the resistor will run at around 70 to 80 degrees celsius. Hardly something that a tiny 10 cent resistor from Dick Smith could handle and most certainly an electrical short circuit in the making.
The resistance is a load, not something that can be directly predetermined from just measuring across the solenoid.

[codgyoleracer]

VERY INCORRECT, there is a lot of current meaning that it has to be a very high wattage resistor, the resistor will run at around 70 to 80 degrees celsius. Hardly something that a tiny 10 cent resistor from Dick Smith could handle and most certainly an electrical short circuit in the making.
The resistance is a load, not something that can be directly predetermined from just measuring across the solenoid.

In my experience the resistor is in place so the the ECU " knows" that the component is in place or that it is within " range" of calibration.

Go for the 10c resistor ......, I f i am wrong then the many bikes & sensors that i have built into them over the years are all in big big trouble........ :-)

[Robert Taylor]

In my experience the resistor is in place so the the ECU " knows" that the component is in place or that it is within " range" of calibration.

Go for the 10c resistor ......, I f i am wrong then the many bikes & sensors that i have built into them over the years are all in big big trouble........ :-)

You miss the point, we are talking a circuit that has appreciable current running through it as its to activate a solenoid, and constantly at that. In that respect a little different to sensor circuits that in many cases may only have milliamps running through them. There is also the little matter of impedance.
Its also entirely reasonable to think that Ohlins know rather a LOT about this, the resistor / adaptor kit they supply ( whilst encased in a moulding ) is clearly of brutal size and wattage to handle the current and also has a proper waterproof plug to match the oem one, etc. They also state the temperature its likely to run at. Job done, properly.

I am sure your intentions are honourable but this circuit is quite different to sensor circuits.

[GSVR]

More information required here me thinks..
I'd make an informed guess based on measurement of load on the circuit then put in the 10c resistor. If it gets hot or blows then look at other more elaborate expensive options.

Na I reacon Choppa should just buy the bit from Mr Taylor. Leave the backyard mods to the experts I say.

Maybe Olins put a 10c resistor in a big package so consumers perception demands are meet and to protect intellectual property or lack or it.

Second thoughts (or is that third) the best thing to do is remain silent. Please disregard this post.

[Robert Taylor]

More information required here me thinks..
I'd make an informed guess based on measurement of load on the circuit then put in the 10c resistor. If it gets hot or blows then look at other more elaborate expensive options.

Na I reacon Choppa should just buy the bit from Mr Taylor. Leave the backyard mods to the experts I say.

You are talking BOLLOCKS and you know it. This is not about me trying to sell the kit. This is ALL ABOUT what is technically correct.

If a 10 cent resistor did the job then companies like Ohlins ( and other well respected companies ) would have built a much much smaller kit to house same. And they would have done rather better than an informed guess.

What is it about Kiwis that they are such doubting thomases? And will make comment without being in full command of the facts?!!!!!!!!! OR, simply just love rattling cages.....

Heck ( with all respect to Glen ) I know nothing about greenhouses so dont feel qualified to comment. That is whay I would go to a greenhouse expert ( Glen ) to recieve fully informed advice.

[Robert Taylor]

More information required here me thinks..
I'd make an informed guess based on measurement of load on the circuit then put in the 10c resistor. If it gets hot or blows then look at other more elaborate expensive options.

Na I reacon Choppa should just buy the bit from Mr Taylor. Leave the backyard mods to the experts I say.

Maybe Olins put a 10c resistor in a big package so consumers perception demands are meet and to protect intellectual property or lack or it.

Second thoughts (or is that third) the best thing to do is remain silent. Please disregard this post.

If you send me your regular e-mail address I will forward information about this.
Ohlins is a very reputable company, I have seen 10 cent resistors in hyped up performance add ons from the States, but nothing so brazenly money making from companies such as Ohlins, WP, Penske etc.

[GSVR]

You are talking BOLLOCKS and you know it. This is not about me trying to sell the kit. This is ALL ABOUT what is technically correct.


But is technically correct always the correct option?


Plenty of aftermarket guys are doing just that selling resistors and plugs for mundane things like gear select sensors. It does make life easy for the unskilled to perform a task. Plug ad Play bike mods!

The choice is ultimately down to the consumer.

[Robert Taylor]

But is technically correct always the correct option?


Plenty of aftermarket guys are doing just that selling resistors and plugs for mundane things like gear select sensors. It does make life easy for the unskilled to perform a task. Plug ad Play bike mods!

The choice is ultimately down to the consumer.

And ( for example ) different length pullrods / link arms that all too often pay more credence to keeping manufacturing machinery working and making money than if they actually work or not. ( some do, many dont )

Im with Ralph Nader on issues like this, if it doesnt work or creates issues nail the bastards that made it. There are too many conmen out there. And too many people with low standards accepting the mediocre crap that is dished out.

Caveat emptor.

[Shaun P]

You miss the point, we are talking a circuit that has appreciable current running through it as its to activate a solenoid, and constantly at that. In that respect a little different to sensor circuits that in many cases may only have milliamps running through them. There is also the little matter of impedance.
Its also entirely reasonable to think that Ohlins know rather a LOT about this, the resistor / adaptor kit they supply ( whilst encased in a moulding ) is clearly of brutal size and wattage to handle the current and also has a proper waterproof plug to match the oem one, etc. They also state the temperature its likely to run at. Job done, properly.

I am sure your intentions are honourable but this circuit is quite different to sensor circuits.

I quite like the 'pulling the electrics out of the oem damper' as a dummy idea
:whocares:

[GSVR]

I quite like the 'pulling the electrics out of the oem damper' as a dummy idea
:whocares:

Why would one want to remove such a fine piece of technology or would one take ABS off a racebike too. I reacon ABS would make the very average guy alot faster in the wet and even in the dry.


With all the people worldwide that remove the damper to go racing youd expect there to be a bit of info out there. And there is...

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211797

Post number nine is the one to read!

Of course that guy could be wrong. What do you think RT?

And with the weight saving by using something small and light you can eat the whole pie on raceday!

[SWERVE]

My 2 cents worth.
the resistors that works on my 675 to stop fault lamp from operating are
.47ohm 5W (has to be 5w as lesser ones just melt)
And they are 45c from Dick Smiths.
May not work on the GSXR but does on the trumpy.
internet specialist forums usually have the answers somewhere.

[codgyoleracer]

You are talking BOLLOCKS and you know it. This is not about me trying to sell the kit. This is ALL ABOUT what is technically correct.

If a 10 cent resistor did the job then companies like Ohlins ( and other well respected companies ) would have built a much much smaller kit to house same. And they would have done rather better than an informed guess.

What is it about Kiwis that they are such doubting thomases? And will make comment without being in full command of the facts?!!!!!!!!! OR, simply just love rattling cages.....

Heck ( with all respect to Glen ) I know nothing about greenhouses so dont feel qualified to comment. That is whay I would go to a greenhouse expert ( Glen ) to recieve fully informed advice.


Hi Robert!, two things 1) i think we are at crossed purposes , 2)The post from Choppa is asking a straight forward question about fault code elimination, it isnt asking about the operation of the unit itself. My answer is about eliminating the fault code signal on the display. Cajun has identified the wire in question that goes into the ECU, but sometimes if you simply unplug the wire at that ECU point it will either not delete or will create an F code. The trick there is to then position a 10c resistor (5c at Jcar) in-line (which then goes to an earth usually) so that the ECU "thinks" the unit is still installed and then the fault code doesnt show.
I have not suggested at any point placing a resistor into a main power feed wire.
Footnote: Ozzy or Shaun might be able to help in respect to this fix affecting the units performance in situ.
It is my understanding that on some occasions certain hardware (e.g traction control etc) does send variable signals from various sensors back to the ECU - which the ECU then is making calculations on and adjusting some other variable (ignition, fueling, etc). Unplugging any of these sensors in that scenario may have an afffect on the performance of the bike & its engine managment.
Cheers
Glen Williams

P.S , Feel free to comment on greenhouse design - i will be happy to give you the learn :-)

[GSVR]

P.S , Feel free to comment on greenhouse design - i will be happy to give you the learn :-)

My personal opinion on this is that anyone whos serious about being in top shape for racing should buy a greenhouse and grow their own vegetables.

Theres no replacement for the nutrition of freshly picked homegrown vegetables to maintain mental alertness. Have I exposed one of Glens secrets of going fast?

Of course you have to know how to set your greenhouse up so it works at optimum levels. Like suspension tuning in a way!

[Robert Taylor]

Why would one want to remove such a fine piece of technology or would one take ABS off a racebike too. I reacon ABS would make the very average guy alot faster in the wet and even in the dry.


With all the people worldwide that remove the damper to go racing youd expect there to be a bit of info out there. And there is...

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211797

Post number nine is the one to read!

Of course that guy could be wrong. What do you think RT?

And with the weight saving by using something small and light you can eat the whole pie on raceday!

They remove the electronic damper BECAUSE you need a laptop and software programme to change its characteristic, its responsiveness is not that great and its bulky and heavy. An aftermarket steering damper is then fitted that is lighter , instantly adjustable and with a well developed progression curve. The very best dampers also have very low hysterisis. No brainer

Reference that post its notable that there was still supposition.

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Robert!, two things 1) i think we are at crossed purposes , 2)The post from Choppa is asking a straight forward question about fault code elimination, it isnt asking about the operation of the unit itself. My answer is about eliminating the fault code signal on the display. Cajun has identified the wire in question that goes into the ECU, but sometimes if you simply unplug the wire at that ECU point it will either not delete or will create an F code. The trick there is to then position a 10c resistor (5c at Jcar) in-line (which then goes to an earth usually) so that the ECU "thinks" the unit is still installed and then the fault code doesnt show.
I have not suggested at any point placing a resistor into a main power feed wire.
Footnote: Ozzy or Shaun might be able to help in respect to this fix affecting the units performance in situ.
It is my understanding that on some occasions certain hardware (e.g traction control etc) does send variable signals from various sensors back to the ECU - which the ECU then is making calculations on and adjusting some other variable (ignition, fueling, etc). Unplugging any of these sensors in that scenario may have an afffect on the performance of the bike & its engine managment.
Cheers
Glen Williams

P.S , Feel free to comment on greenhouse design - i will be happy to give you the learn :-)

Nice explanation but Im very clear what it was about as well, fault code elimination which the resistor ''fixes'' by simulating a load. Interesting that posts on that GSXR forum concurred that the resistor has to be of high wattage, as plugged into the original loom plug for the damper.
Maybe there is indeed another ''fix'' somewhere else in the system to fudge it all but I think aftermarket suppliers such as Ohlins are very mindful that a lot of people will do a very messy job of adding such things i.e they want to make it as idiotproof and reliable as possible. Seen a few bikes fail over the years because of bodgy electrical work, as would have you.
I imagine also your greenhouse designs are made as idiotproof as possible because the manufacturers would be mindful of minimising any grief that comes back to them. And I would ask an expert in his field and especially one that has done business with me.

[Shaun]

Hi Robert!, two things 1) i think we are at crossed purposes , 2)The post from Choppa is asking a straight forward question about fault code elimination, it isnt asking about the operation of the unit itself. My answer is about eliminating the fault code signal on the display. Cajun has identified the wire in question that goes into the ECU, but sometimes if you simply unplug the wire at that ECU point it will either not delete or will create an F code. The trick there is to then position a 10c resistor (5c at Jcar) in-line (which then goes to an earth usually) so that the ECU "thinks" the unit is still installed and then the fault code doesnt show.
I have not suggested at any point placing a resistor into a main power feed wire.
Footnote: Ozzy or Shaun might be able to help in respect to this fix affecting the units performance in situ.
It is my understanding that on some occasions certain hardware (e.g traction control etc) does send variable signals from various sensors back to the ECU - which the ECU then is making calculations on and adjusting some other variable (ignition, fueling, etc). Unplugging any of these sensors in that scenario may have an afffect on the performance of the bike & its engine managment.
Cheers
Glen Williams

P.S , Feel free to comment on greenhouse design - i will be happy to give you the learn :-)


No Comment, I'm enjoying you fullas bitch slapping each other ba ha ha ha ha

[Robert Taylor]

My personal opinion on this is that anyone whos serious about being in top shape for racing should buy a greenhouse and grow their own vegetables.

Theres no replacement for the nutrition of freshly picked homegrown vegetables to maintain mental alertness. Have I exposed one of Glens secrets of going fast?

Of course you have to know how to set your greenhouse up so it works at optimum levels. Like suspension tuning in a way!

Spoken by a true vegetable! ( joking! ) I bet your mother struggled to get you to eat your greens!

[Robert Taylor]

No Comment, I'm enjoying you fullas bitch slapping each other ba ha ha ha ha

A 10 cent resistor would have eliminated your fault code that failed to identify that a K7 has an electronic damper!!! But where to instal it???!!!
And I bet you didnt eat your greens either!

[codgyoleracer]

A 10 cent resistor would have eliminated your fault code that failed to identify that a K7 has an electronic damper!!! But where to instal it???!!!
And I bet you didnt eat your greens either!

As far as eating vegetables are concerned - i have found that beans & cabbage have the most effect on people around me.............

Something else that we have also not discussed (but maybe GSVR could provide us with the in depth figures) on the incremental accelerative & decelerative advantage gained by the weight loss of stipping the said wire from the loom.........

[Robert Taylor]

As far as eating vegetables are concerned - i have found that beans & cabbage have the most effect on people around me.............

Something else that we have also not discussed (but maybe GSVR could provide us with the in depth figures) on the incremental accelerative & decelerative advantage gained by the weight loss of stipping the said wire from the loom.........

Or removing limbs from the biological element of the race package!

[Shaun]

Trust me please folks, do not MESS around with stearing damp set ups as they tech should be!!!!

My accident at the TT, was caused by the incorrect damp unit mounting brackets being fitted.

Spend the money, get the real shit, and be safe

[Robert Taylor]

Trust me please folks, do not MESS around with stearing damp set ups as they tech should be!!!!

My accident at the TT, was caused by the incorrect damp unit mounting brackets being fitted.

Spend the money, get the real shit, and be safe

The reality is that in NZ ( not only in NZ ) people will often purchase secondhand stuff and attempt to refit it to anything. A LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS! You see some of these installations and just shake your head. So much for the do it yourself mentality. Many people can do a really good job but some bikes shouldnt go near a track or if they are road going Id like to know that Im not sharing the same stretch of road at the same time!

And as you well know ( re steering dampers )the leverage, arc through which they operate and clearancing on a steering damper can be very critical.

As the Bell Helmet add used to say ''if youve got a ten dollar head then wear a ten dollar helmet'' ( or suchlike ) The 10 cent resistors reminded me of that iconic slogan from the past.

[GSVR]

As the Bell Helmet add used to say ''if youve got a ten dollar head then wear a ten dollar helmet'' ( or suchlike ) The 10 cent resistors reminded me of that iconic slogan from the past.

I'd feel alot safer with a 50 cent resistor. Theres something really strange about resistor pricing too. A 100 ohm 1/4 watt is the same price as a 1 mega ohm 1/4 watt but the 1 meg offers far superior resistance.

Whats Ohlins "iconic" slogan?

I was told at the track a few meetings ago to try not to upset you Robert as your in the right age bracket for cardiac arrest.
Where can I get a free helmet? I've already had my free lunch!


Wheres Sloan hiding... Better dig this out of the drivel so he gets his question answered.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211797

[Robert Taylor]

I'd feel alot safer with a 50 cent resistor. Theres something really strange about resistor pricing too. A 100 ohm 1/4 watt is the same price as a 1 mega ohm 1/4 watt but the 1 meg offers far superior resistance.

Whats Ohlins "iconic" slogan?

I was told at the track a few meetings ago to try not to upset you Robert as your in the right age bracket for cardiac arrest.
Where can I get a free helmet? I've already had my free lunch!


Wheres Sloan hiding... Better dig this out of the drivel so he gets his question answered.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211797

No I have to thank you for singlehandedly reducing my chances of cardiac arrest as your clever trivialisation ( and mockery ) is ( for the most part )genuinely humorous. I am certainly not currently resistive to it.
I am not able to fit in a cardiac arrest at this stage as there is too much to do and indeed I may be late for my own funeral. The whole point is that none of us are on this planet for long so you may as well cram in as much work ( and humour ) as you can whilst you are here!
Like other manufacturers of high end product I guess Ohlins unwritten slogan is ''quality before price''. ( Such mentality also applies to iconic companies such as WP, Penske, Akrapovic etc ) The tag line on their corporate logo reads ''Advanced Suspension Technology''

[Robert Taylor]

Choppa, given that you have been such a good customer I have a spare Ohlins resistor kit that I will put aside for you free of charge. This is not a 5 cent special, its a proper kit with plug to go into the oem connector and is durable and vibration resistant for the job in hand.