WTF? C'mon...

[IIIRII]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-233775175.htm

[flyingcr250]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-233775175.htm

oh dear:sick:

[howdamnhard]

So it's not a KTM then so why advertise it as such?

[bogan]

thats pretty fucking poor, and 14kW, must be a failry poor copy as well!

[IIIRII]

I was thining 09 KTM for $3500 ... then saw "chinese" ... shame it has KTM written all over it .....
piss pour IMHO ...
Callvote_kick ...

[tommorth]

think they have one thats a yzf kxf rmz etc just a fkn menace if ya ask me

[oldskool]

I'm cuntfused. Is it or is it not a KTM? Is it a relabeled KTM sourced from the factory which make the bikes for KTM, or is it a piece of JUNK from China?

[noobi]

I'm cuntfused. 1 Is it or is it not a KTM? 2 Is it a relabeled KTM sourced from the factory which make the bikes for KTM, 3 or is it a piece of JUNK from China?

i pick number 3:gob:

[bogan]

Callvote_kick ...

I reported it to the tardme authorities, which i spose is the next best thing

[marty]

I'd be reporting it to the KTM lawyers

[flyingcr250]

I'd be reporting it to the KTM lawyers

i cant see if theres a hydraulic clutch, and look at that exhaust:sick:

you get what you pay for i suppose

[xxblackbirdxx]

I'm cuntfused. Is it or is it not a KTM? Is it a relabeled KTM sourced from the factory which make the bikes for KTM, or is it a piece of JUNK from China?

junk from china, thats for sure.
geez !!!!

[Reckless]

LOL!! that guy is looking to get his ass sued for advertising it as a Ktm!
Far out the chinese are getting bloody cheaky with their copies!

[kevfromcoro]

Like the way the frame under the engine is sort of bolted to-gether.
that lot comes undone .. the motor will fall out.

[bogan]

on closer inspection, it actually says MTM instead of KTM. And it has a linked shock, wtf, ktm are famous for the linkageless shocks and they couldnt even get that right! So its probly more the sellers fault rather than the chinese company, who just use very similar graphics and styling.

[FlangMasterJ]

I was thining 09 KTM for $3500 ... then saw "chinese" ... shame it has KTM written all over it .....
piss pour IMHO ...
Callvote_kick ...

I think it says 'MTM'.

Still it's pretty piss poor.

[Pierce]

on closer inspection, it actually says MTM instead of KTM. And it has a linked shock, wtf, ktm are famous for the linkageless shocks and they couldnt even get that right! So its probly more the sellers fault rather than the chinese company, who just use very similar graphics and styling.

Yeah this is what I was thinking, It's labeled as an MTM so they would get away with it. At first glance it definately looks the part

[cheese]

luxury exhaust on that sucker.

TM should be pulling that off. not allowed to sell copied goods.

[barty5]

the add is headed as KTM i rang Yamaha nz when the guy was doing the copies they where most interested got a call back from them day or so later they had there lawyers make a call.

[courts]

wonder if it makes the same sound of a beauty HUMMER when it goes squeak squeak bounce bounce rattle rattle down the trails.........wonder if anyone is dumb enough? theres plenty of people willing to buy chinese for a grand it would seem but mtm for3500........

[vr4king]

Im gonna check this again in the morning,so i know if i spew again then its not just the booze but i think i know the answer

[Reckless]

the add is headed as KTM i rang Yamaha nz when the guy was doing the copies they where most interested got a call back from them day or so later they had there lawyers make a call.

Yeh mate but this one is styled so distinctly Ktm though. Like the copies of the Honda's where pretty standard trail bike design, but this?? The way the back guard wraps around the side panels etc Surely this design must be copy righted. Sooner or later they will go to far I reckon! I pity some poor beginner or newbie that gets fooled into buying this!

[Taz]

It looks ok for the money. Would have to give it a good look to be sure but the price is right.

[cheese]

Yeh mate but this one is styled so distinctly Ktm though. Like the copies of the Honda's where pretty standard trail bike design, but this?? The way the back guard wraps around the side panels etc Surely this design must be copy righted. Sooner or later they will go to far I reckon! I pity some poor beginner or newbie that gets fooled into buying this!

You have real trouble copyrighting a "look" or "style". Dad has has the same issues with new furniture he designs.

But copying KTM with MTM and making it look the same is grounds for an arse raping.

[laserracer]

Hope some lawyers kick his butt sensless... sure if it was a different colour and he didnt call it a ktm that would be fine ... must piss off importers of real bikes when these clowns do shit like this

[B0000M]

i dont see the big deal, i mean its clearly a piece of chinese shit, he even states that. yeah hes called it a ktm in the title, but surely thats not THAT important.

what is more of a concern is people that sell bikes and tell lies about the age of it - eg "its a 2007" when really its an 2004, that's something that is really easy to fool new riders and give them a sour taste in their mouth when they find out

[Rupe]

i dont see the big deal, i mean its clearly a piece of chinese shit, he even states that. yeah hes called it a ktm in the title, but surely thats not THAT important.

what is more of a concern is people that sell bikes and tell lies about the age of it - eg "its a 2007" when really its an 2004, that's something that is really easy to fool new riders and give them a sour taste in their mouth when they find out

Bit like this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-234874232.htm

[oldskool]

i dont see the big deal, i mean its clearly a piece of chinese shit, he even states that. yeah hes called it a ktm in the title, but surely thats not THAT important.

what is more of a concern is people that sell bikes and tell lies about the age of it - eg "its a 2007" when really its an 2004, that's something that is really easy to fool new riders and give them a sour taste in their mouth when they find out

Both are plain wrong. False advertising. Enticed you to look at something you may have not wanted to look at. Tells you after the fact you were brought to look at it that it is similar and identical but not the same. How many times has a car dealer or real estate dealer told you something over the phone and when you get there it's not what you had asked for. But then you look anyway seeing as you are there.
How many times have you gone to an advertised sale in an electronics store and the last one was 'sold just 5 minutes ago' 20 minutes after the store opened. Traders like this guy need to be made an example of. Just plain wrong.

[flyingcr250]

Bit like this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-234874232.htm

ha ha ha more like '92

[theblacksmith]

ha ha ha more like '92
And older mate - it makes mine look modern- haha!
Are these traders aware that the whole world can read their ads???

[camchain]

Amazing the manufacturer is so blatant about it. The MTM logo style would have to be a copyright infringement, clear attempt to poach KTM reputation. Styling can be a tricky issue but the whole package must be enough ammo for any copyright laywer. Seller's description of this foul contraption as a 'KTM copy' is a serious misrepresentation as well. (I bet that ugly lump of a fuel cap doesn't leak. lol)

What a waste of planets raw materials.

[cynna]

there was an article in june issue of adb about the chinese crf copy- basically there only needs to be 15% difference between the bikes - this could be as insignificant as colur shading of the casting of the cases, cylinder head etc, slightly different engine mount points, frame welding, plastic contours, carbs, engine side covers etc

if there is 15% diffencer then its not breaching copyright on a bike

but advertising it as a ktm not a mtm or whatever it is may be a different story

[oldskool]

there was an article in june issue of adb about the chinese crf copy- basically there only needs to be 15% difference between the bikes - this could be as insignificant as colur shading of the casting of the cases, cylinder head etc, slightly different engine mount points, frame welding, plastic contours, carbs, engine side covers etc

if there is 15% diffencer then its not breaching copyright on a bike

but advertising it as a ktm not a mtm or whatever it is may be a different story
If it is a copy of intellectual property wouldn't that 15% rule then mean every mechanical design unique to the KTM would have to be 24 degrees out! LOL would it even run then!

[Bradz]

there is a concrete pumping outfit running around auckland called KTM concrete pumps, the truck is KTM orange and the logo on the side of truck is the same as the KTM logo.. one would have to wonder that at least the dude rides a KTM..

[flyingcr250]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-234419183.htm

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[oldskool]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-234419183.htm

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Don't follow KTM prices, is that cheap or exxy? Does it make that MTM cheena bike more compelling?

[B0000M]

theres another company in auckland i used to to see their vehicles a lot when i lived there, it was pro somthing, but used the same font / layout as pro grip

[B0000M]

ha ha ha more like '92

i used the 'report listing' thingee on tardme.

according to the pics i can find on google images its a 95 at the newest

[takitimu]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Dirt-bikes/auction-234419183.htm

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Good guys superior m/c's - mate rented a bike off them for a cross country down there & they looked after him real well ( not a 300 :) )

[courts]

theres another company in auckland i used to to see their vehicles a lot when i lived there, it was pro somthing, but used the same font / layout as pro grip
Yeah think its PROCUT looks the sameo.

[quickbuck]

Just done a quick serch through TM as I'm looking for an old classic for not a lot of money...
And it appears nobody remembers exactly what year bikes were made.

Quick examples: 1978ish XL125 advertised as a 1983...
1980 ish XL185 advertised as a 1988! Okay, might be an 85....

I'm sure there are many more.... it is a case of buyer beware....

It is a shame people can't get their facts straight though.......

It may well stem from the fact many off road bikes aren't registered, therefore records of age are easily lost......

Yeah, apart from the frame number stamped on them!

[EJK]

That's sad.... Just sad...

[camchain]

Well I've pinged KTM NZ. will be interesting to see what, if anything happens.

If that 15% caper is the only standard then there's no protection for anything because it removes too much common sense from the equation. A wheel is a wheel, and a footpeg is a footpeg, but branding and identity is surely something else altogether.

This particular assemblage of plastic & metal is like a virus. Forget 15%, there is clearly 100% intention to rip off a well known companies styling & branding - and their hard-earned reputation along with it. I find it really hard to believe they can get away with it (let alone the shameless audacity to do it the first place). You don't see lots of Coca-Cola brands with 15% variations. OK, a flavoured sugar drink not a particularly good comparison, but they're obviously able to protect their identity.

I reckon it's a serious worry that a country like China (massive + authoritarian regime) is becoming so powerful. They're obviously utterly ruthless & have no compunction at all in plundering everything in sight.
I'm definitely no socialist but the world should have learned a solid lesson about where unchecked free market philosophy in financial systems has led to - virtual collapse. Where the hell will we ALL be when the rest of the world has gone out of business and has no money to buy chinese stuff?

[oldskool]

Hopefully one day the people of china will wake up and think there is more to life than work work work, must make money, must make money, and actually take time out to have some fun. Then they might realise they don't make quality products to have fun on. It is pleasing to see some of the asian kids at school breaking out of their parents strict education regime and loosen up a little..it is a start!

[Moki]

I'm cuntfused. Is it or is it not a KTM? Is it a relabeled KTM sourced from the factory which make the bikes for KTM, or is it a piece of JUNK from China?

It's shit, obviously.