WTF, new rego costs!

[phaedrus01]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/licensing-fees.html

Please someone tell me I am horribly mistaken and being a flippin idiot but, it looks to me like it now costs $310 to register a scooter for 12 mths FFS.:shit:

[sil3nt]

10 bucks cheaper than the rest of us!

[phaedrus01]

Thats frickin sick, when did that price hike happen?! Its more to rego a bike than a car now?

[2wheeldrifter]

Robbing fucking cunts.... sums up my thought's!

same with owning a diesel! :shit:

[dogsnbikes]

shit 12 moths ago it was $77 for a scooter

one way to price people of the road same and back into cars WTF(maybe I paint all the bikes the same colour and use the same decals):laugh:

[Jizah]

Seems to be counter productive to all this talk of trying to minimise our carbon footprint over the next few years. Or is this the cost they were talking about?

[Aaron_newrider]

I don't remember it ever being this expensive aye - jesus christ!

[phaedrus01]

If I knew it was going to be put up so much I would have gone in there at the end of july and bought 12 mths worth. Funny how they kinda just slid that price rise :stupid:in there

[saltydog]

Dont get me wrong but I've got a theory.
Polices are inplace for a reason. Statistics.
Who has the most crashes?
Its the motorX crew binning their bikes (see bodies) all the time.
Its those statistics that ACC are using to punish us "roadies" (or whatever you wanna call it) with these $310? rego's.
That sucks.
They should just make the levy based on road crashes no?

[ready4whatever]

jesus fuckin christ. 321 dollars for a motorcycle rego? why? do they just think because bikers save more on fuel that they wont mind paying extra rego?

its the same as the council recently putting up rates an extra 300 dollars a year

because you have to pay, they can do it when they please. fuck the government. sometimes i just want to resist them!! even though id never win. they tax you for the land you own for fuck sakes. i feel like not paying my rates and when they come to confiscate my land il pull a jan molenaar. FUCK

[Squiggles]

Why? Because like it or not... we're crashing, and we're costing alot of $$. So now we're paying for it. That farm bullshit doesnt fly, alot of the accidents are big bikes (500cc+).

Fwiw Transact still only wants $90 for a years worth of MOPED rego

[2wheeldrifter]

I hear you "ready4whatever" wish this was Fiji lol

This is NZ, we stand up to the goverment..... not! we are such a wimp ass country.. why?

[phaedrus01]

I just find it a bit fukn rich for that much of an increase. Wheres the AA when you need them to be b1tching and whining.

[ready4whatever]

Why? Because like it or not... we're crashing, and we're costing alot of $$. So now we're paying for it. That farm bullshit doesnt fly, alot of the accidents are big bikes (500cc+).

hmm. and when we dont crash as much it will come down? id love to see that

[Aaron_newrider]

Lets have a protest! Clog the motorways like the trucks did - might need afew more bikes though?

I know, lets leave our bikes on a bridge and block it for afew hours!

[StoneY]

If only they would off balance the ACC levy with the fact we do not wear the road out like the cages do....


:angry2:

[ready4whatever]

Lets have a protest! Clog the motorways like the trucks did - might need afew more bikes though?

I know, lets leave our bikes on a bridge and block it for afew hours!

how about we assasinate the prime minister, not that it will work because its not very hard to replace him. fly a plane into the bee hive maybe?

what we need to do is tell the government up yours. but all at the same time

[inlinefour]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/licensing-fees.html

Please someone tell me I am horribly mistaken and being a flippin idiot but, it looks to me like it now costs $310 to register a scooter for 12 mths FFS.:shit:

I guess your going to sell your bike then? With the price of petrol the way that it is, I would have thought that amount more was nothing. Plus with the shi-art that ACC is in, one should be thankful that the govt has not said to tripple the cost of doing anything dangerious!


how about we assasinate the prime minister, not that it will work because its not very hard to replace him. fly a plane into the bee hive maybe?

what we need to do is tell the government up yours. but all at the same time

After reading that dribble it might be a matter of time until it is trippled.

[DarkLord]

This is ridiculous. What they hell are those greedy bastards trying to achieve??

Glad I don't have to worry about mine till May next year.

[Aaron_newrider]

how about we assasinate the prime minister, not that it will work because its not very hard to replace him. fly a plane into the bee hive maybe?

what we need to do is tell the government up yours. but all at the same time

Ohhh assasinate John Key - well the guy from Qmoto doesn't seem to mind taking a fall so we could put Mr. Key on the back - with no gear, and the guy from Qmoto can just high-side the bike and do some more flips like he did the other day!

:done::jerry:

[phaedrus01]

how about we assasinate the prime minister, not that it will work because its not very hard to replace him. fly a plane into the bee hive maybe?

what we need to do is tell the government up yours. but all at the same time

I'm more worried about ths SIS intercepting ReadyfoWhatever/Jan molenaars posts!!!:2guns:

[2wheeldrifter]

Lets have a protest! Clog the motorways like the trucks did - might need afew more bikes though?

I know, lets leave our bikes on a bridge and block it for afew hours!

That's a fair few bikes... not impossible though.

Rips the crotch right out of my nightie how and why they do this..highest unemployed, highest ever mortgagee sales., whole country is hurting... Hey let's put the cost of motoring up! Shot that fucking prick!

[Squiggles]

hmm. and when we dont crash as much it will come down? id love to see that

I'd love to see us crashing less.


Fwiw transact (LTSA's online transaction website) is still only charging $90/year for MOPED rego. Note i said MOPED (Not Motorcycle, BIG DIFFERENCE (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/43.html)).

[Aaron_newrider]

I'm more worried about ths SIS intercepting ReadyfoWhatever/Jan molenaars posts!!!:2guns:

SIS?

I'm worried about the diplomatic protection squad!

[ready4whatever]

SIS?

I'm worried about the diplomatic protection squad!

like ned kelly and john connor. time to take a stand people lol. 'the resistance'

[inlinefour]

I'd love to see us crashing less.

Fwiw transact (LTSA's online transaction website) is still only charging $90/year for MOPED rego. Note i said MOPED.

I bet that moped crashes are included in the stats for NZ motorcycle crashes.

[Squiggles]

I bet that moped crashes are included in the stats for NZ motorcycle crashes.

Yep they are, Better still there is a breakdown of them. Just under 20% are under 50cc, the same % for up to 250, 25% up to 750 and 35% are 750cc+. (approx's from 2007 data as found here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129276834&postcount=62 )


I hate to think what the cost is going to be next year


Road fatalities in New Zealand as at Monday, 10 August 2009 (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/research/toll.html)
Year from 1 Jan 12 months to 10/08
2008 2009 2008 2009

Drivers 100 127 182 190

Passengers 71 72 120 105

MC Riders 23 28 37 53

MC Pillions 1 - 4 2

[SMOKEU]

The part that is most unfair is how all bikes over 61cc are put into the same category. How the fuck can those fucking retards justify charging the same fucking cost for vehicle licensing for a Honda C90 and a Hayabusa?

[YellowDog]

Go and buy a bigger bike to make it feel like better vaue.

[pete376403]

Dont register or wof your bike. Ride very very carefully and don't give the cops any reason to pull you up. You could get away with it for a while.

[rainman]

Wheres the AA when you need them

I LOLed.

The AA does in general not give a shit about motorcycles.

[Jizah]

Dont register or wof your bike. Ride very very carefully and don't give the cops any reason to pull you up. You could get away with it for a while.

A better idea would be to put your rego on hold. But of course we don't condone that here.

[CookMySock]

Dont register or wof your bike. Ride very very carefully and don't give the cops any reason to pull you up. You could get away with it for a while.Why not reg and wof it, and THEN do the last part as well? It will achieve the same thing. The good part is, you will "get away with it" forever.

The only way bikers are going to get it, is to hit them in the pocket.

"Stop being an arse on the road" is the message. Think of the tears in your daughters' eyes, and slow the fuck down.

Steve

[scracha]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/licensing-fees.html
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Hmmm $310 bucks for "Petrol driven" eh? Time for alternative fuel methinks.


Seriously though....there should be a discount for multiple bikes and a "good behaviour" discount for those of us who don't use the roads as public racetracks.

[ready4whatever]

Hmmm $310 bucks for "Petrol driven" eh? Time for alternative fuel methinks.

na a diesel motorcycle will cost more lol. go back to steam engines? put water in the petrol tank, have coal burner where engine was

[Swoop]

Because like it or not... we're crashing
Speak for yourself, please.


This could be the tipping point for a lot more un-registered bikes out there.

[Grumpy]

As a motorcyclist of some years I've been a recipient of ACC a couple of times. The last time was a little more serious than the last and without ACC I would have lost my home since I was unable to work for a number of months so I certainly don't have an issue with paying my bit. Those that say they never fall off so why should they pay should be so lucky. ACC is like insurance. We all hate paying it but when you need it you're fuck'n glad you did pay.

What I find wrong is the fact that owners of more than one vehicle get stung multiple times. Since I can only operate one vehicle at a time that is a little hard to swallow. It's a shame that a system where the owner is levied rather than the vehicle has not been worked out. That would be much fairer.

[Swoop]

Those that say they never fall off so why should they pay should be so lucky. ACC is like insurance. We all hate paying it but when you need it you're fuck'n glad you did pay.
So, I don't fall off. I pay insurance on the bike and also the car.
I also have income protection insurance and yet I still get to pay exhorbitant costs of registration.

Something stinks.

Totally agree regarding the multiple rego thing. Grossly unfair.

[bogan]

Hmmm $310 bucks for "Petrol driven" eh? Time for alternative fuel methinks.


Way ahead of you, my electric should be running this month, though the fucking rigmarole of trying to get that register (as a moped).

AA: Sir you havent filled in the cc rating
ME: Its electric it doesnt have one
AA: I cant register you vehicle without a cc rating
ME:But it doesnt have any
AA: .....
ME:What if we just put zero down
AA: No sorry the system wont accept that
ME:How about 50 then, its no accurate but that what most moped have
AA: Ill call my supervisor
.... etc etc

So dunno how hard itll be to register a decent power electric bike, with all the certs and shit I think itll be a mission.

BTW, it only cost me 120 to register it, and i got 6 or 12 months rego as well :yes:

[imdying]

Dont register or wof your bike. Ride very very carefully and don't give the cops any reason to pull you up. You could get away with it for a while.
Working fine for me :yes:

[MarkH]

Lets have a protest! Clog the motorways like the trucks did - might need afew more bikes though?

I know, lets leave our bikes on a bridge and block it for afew hours!

Slow race over the harbour bridge?


The part that is most unfair is how all bikes over 61cc are put into the same category. How the fuck can those fucking retards justify charging the same fucking cost for vehicle licensing for a Honda C90 and a Hayabusa?

Or an AN125 - cheap commuting based on purchase price & fuel use, not so much on the Rego costing the same as a GSXR1000, CBR1000RR or Hayabusa modded with turbo for over 500HP.


Dont register or wof your bike. Ride very very carefully and don't give the cops any reason to pull you up. You could get away with it for a while.

No reg - $200 fine.
No WoF - $200 fine.
Total fine - $400.

Park once anywhere where the parking wardens are about and you get a $400 fine. I am not too sure that I would be keen to follow that advice TBH.

[phaedrus01]

Onyer electric bike bogan? Fill us in...

[Markw336]

im sick of the LTSA and AA not giving a shit about us motorbike riders i mean it cost more to rego it than it does in petrol thats complete BS:scooter: even tho i have a scooter it still more expensive its cost8ng so much to have a bike now that its cheaper to run a car i hate NZ pricing

[Sidewinder]

i have a gun

[phaedrus01]

just as likely as a 500hp Turbo 'busa? I think not pal.

[imdying]

No reg - $200 fine.
No WoF - $200 fine.
Total fine - $400.Pssh, I could get both of those twice over and still be saving money. I have full surgical cover, they can stick their ACC levy up their bum :yes:

[Squiggles]

just as likely as a 500hp Turbo 'busa? I think not pal.

Yer, a 500hp Turbo 'busa is unlikely to ever find itself on the road here in little old NZ...

[bogan]

Onyer electric bike bogan? Fill us in...

will chuck a thread up when shes going, later this month hopefully

[danchop]

one is a 03 gsxr1000 that ive owned since new and only done 14000kms,the only time ive either registered it or had a wof was the first initial time when it was new,im not paying that kind of shit for doing stuff all kms a year,5 odd years saving money from the pricks,if they bring in a user pays system similar to kms covered(like diesels),i will consider being legal

[HenryDorsetCase]

Thats frickin sick, when did that price hike happen?! Its more to rego a bike than a car now?

significantly more.

car drivers kill motorcyclists, and motorcyclists pay more? that shit don't seem right...

[HenryDorsetCase]

I just find it a bit fukn rich for that much of an increase. Wheres the AA when you need them to be b1tching and whining.

the AA are effectively the media relations division of LTSA. they have zero credibility when it comes to standing up for the rights of their members against government incursion of their rights. Remember the typical AA member is a brown cardie flat cap wearer, driving a ten year old Honda Accord and tsk tsking about how dangerous it is to exceed 100kph on the open road.

Advocacy comes from organisations like BRONZ. Support them instead of whinging on the internets.

[inlinefour]

The part that is most unfair is how all bikes over 61cc are put into the same category. How the fuck can those fucking retards justify charging the same fucking cost for vehicle licensing for a Honda C90 and a Hayabusa?

Apparently you dont have to be very bright to work in the gubbermint. Im sure that if asked they would say that if its got two wheels then its a motorcycle and if its got smaller wheels then its a moped. Just like how my wheelchair is actually classed as a pushchair. Its got two bigger wheels at the back and the little ones at the frount. I bet that when they started making those wheelchairs with the 3 wheels of equal sizes that the twats got confused and had a meltdown, ending in one person getting the blame and everyone in the beahive behaving like it was a kindy on that day... :bash:


one is a 03 gsxr1000 that ive owned since new and only done 14000kms,the only time ive either registered it or had a wof was the first initial time when it was new,im not paying that kind of shit for doing stuff all kms a year,5 odd years saving money from the pricks,if they bring in a user pays system similar to kms covered(like diesels),i will consider being legal

You dont stop for the flashing lights when out on the gixxer then?

[phaedrus01]

Yer, a 500hp Turbo 'busa is unlikely to ever find itself on the road here in little old NZ...

Yeah true, unless ghostrider goes on tour....:wari:

[unrealone]

I'm sorry to say guys but we'll be in for an even bigger shock next year. Can't say anymore though :(

[Swoop]

I'm sorry to say guys but we'll be in for an even bigger shock next year. Can't say anymore though :(
C'mon. We can keep a secret!

[phaedrus01]

the AA are effectively the media relations division of LTSA. they have zero credibility when it comes to standing up for the rights of their members against government incursion of their rights. Remember the typical AA member is a brown cardie flat cap wearer, driving a ten year old Honda Accord and tsk tsking about how dangerous it is to exceed 100kph on the open road.

Advocacy comes from organisations like BRONZ. Support them instead of whinging on the internets.

Isn't that what the internets is for, oh and dodgy asian p0rn....

[danchop]

Apparently you dont have to be very bright to work in the gubbermint. Im sure that if asked they would say that if its got two wheels then its a motorcycle and if its got smaller wheels then its a moped. Just like how my wheelchair is actually classed as a pushchair. Its got two bigger wheels at the back and the little ones at the frount. I bet that when they started making those wheelchairs with the 3 wheels of equal sizes that the twats got confused and had a meltdown, ending in one person getting the blame and everyone in the beahive behaving like it was a kindy on that day... :bash:



You dont stop for the flashing lights when out on the gixxer then?
it does make me feel a bit cautious when travelling by myself,i was stopped on one occassion at a checkpoint about 2006/07 and still had my 03 expiry sticker on,shitted myself but the cop just did a breathtest,looked at rego but he must just have looked at the month not year?didnt worry about wof and sent me on my way,but really i only take it on group rides now cause i have the safe feeling of being in a pack

[duckonin]

I'd love to see us crashing less.


Fwiw transact (LTSA's online transaction website) is still only charging $90/year for MOPED rego. Note i said MOPED (Not Motorcycle, BIG DIFFERENCE (http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/factsheets/43.html)).

Won't happen untill those driving cars play fair..Large percentage of bike accidents are caused by the motorist,(cars) they should be the ones paying the costs....:angry:

[SMOKEU]

Someone should get a jet powered bike and see what happens when they get pulled over on it by the constabulary. Technically it's not a motor vehicle if you bolt a Boeing 747 engine onto a GN250.

[Muppet]

In one of the major cities Oz quite a few years ago, bikers protested by taking up car parking spaces in the CBD. I don't remember what the issue was but the authorities 'got the message' and backed down, $320 :eek5:pa is just over the friggin top!!!:angry2:

[Muppet]

I'm sorry to say guys but we'll be in for an even bigger shock next year. Can't say anymore though :(

Aw you're fucken kidding??? Let me guess insurance?

[MarkH]

Yer, a 500hp Turbo 'busa is unlikely to ever find itself on the road here in little old NZ...

And it is not like the bike is underpowered and needs a turbo added either. But the point is that if you were to mod a Hayabusa and certify it then what would you pay each year in rego? That's right - the same as an AN125 or C90!

A newbie learning to ride a 250cc bike for the cheaper petrol, easier parking and more nimble city commuting is going to get stung for over $320 for rego - that is a pretty big bill to pay for a struggling student for example.

[StoneY]

Fair would be two separate charges

Bike reg: 12 months 30$ - (realistic road user charge)- PER bike you own, therefore not punishing us for more than one horse in the stable

ACC Premium: (TOTALLY separate to bike reg)- charged on medical history, from a base rate calculation like any insurance premium, taking a 5 year no accident bonus discount blah blah blah

THAT way ya could separate bikes and costs totally from the medical expenses on public health system...REAL user pays!

But no... this would just be too logical and too non-profit oriented for Mr Key and his ministers

:shutup:

[Squiggles]

But the point is that if you were to mod a Hayabusa and certify it then what would you pay each year in rego? That's right - the same as an AN125 or C90!

A newbie learning to ride a 250cc bike for the cheaper petrol, easier parking and more nimble city commuting is going to get stung for over $320 for rego - that is a pretty big bill to pay for a struggling student for example.

And what do their greenie/money saving intentions have to do with the acc levy part? Both small and big feature in the stats (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129276834&postcount=62). Its hard as a student but we manage.


Won't happen untill those driving cars play fair..Large percentage of bike accidents are caused by the motorist,(cars) they should be the ones paying the costs....:angry:

Ignorance is bliss as they say. :laugh:


I'm sorry to say guys but we'll be in for an even bigger shock next year. Can't say anymore though :(

Not remotely suprised, we're in a shocker of a year.

[SMOKEU]

We should only pay ACC levies on 1 vehicle that we own, then just pay admin fees on the rego for every subsequent (private) vehicle that we own. I can't drive my car and ride my bike at the same time, so why should I have to pay that much in ACC levies?

[Katman]

car drivers kill motorcyclists, and motorcyclists pay more?


Large percentage of bike accidents are caused by the motorist,(cars)


There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.

:weird:

[Dodger]

Does anyone even ride a 61cc or less motorcycle on the road?
Most less 50cc are classified as mopeds and cost <$100 per year rego.


Is it a moped or a motorcycle?
There are slightly different definitions of a moped, depending on the context:
For vehicle registration and licensing: a moped has a power output of 2 kW or under and a maximum design speed of 50 km/h or under. A vehicle with a power output over 2 kW or a maximum design speed over 50 km/h is a motorcycle. It is illegal to register a motorcycle as a moped.

[Katman]

Most less 50cc are classified as mopeds and cost <$100 per year rego.

Even 50cc scooters have to be restricted in order to stay under the 2kW limit.

[Dodger]

We should only pay ACC levies on 1 vehicle that we own, then just pay admin fees on the rego for every subsequent (private) vehicle that we own. I can't drive my car and ride my bike at the same time, so why should I have to pay that much in ACC levies?

Why pay it on the vehicle at all? Cyclists don't pay it yet they receve ACC when they fall off, and we also pay ACC levies on our wages.

At the moment if an unemployed non vehicle owner trips up they get ACC payouts. Just you wait till I'm in power and every one has to have their own private accident insurance. :devil2:

[Dodger]

Even 50cc scooters have to be restricted in order to stay under the 2kW limit.

Yes, as stated in the above quote, yet this is one more thing that isn't tested. (at least I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for it, although a mate of mine did manage to get a speeding ticket on his 50cc :laugh:)

[SPman]

Yes, as stated in the above quote, yet this is one more thing that isn't tested. (at least I've never heard of anyone getting a ticket for it, although a mate of mine did manage to get a speeding ticket on his 50cc :laugh:)
60 in a 50 zone?

[dipshit]

There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.


We have BRONZ and other such idiots to thanks for that.

[bogan]

60 in a 50 zone?

60 anywhere on a moped (scooter) is fine-able i believe. Shudnt make it so dam easy to remove those resticrtors.

[Dodger]

60 in a 50 zone?
50 in a (temp)30 <_<

[HenryDorsetCase]

There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.

:weird:

and here we go again. Actually I am not going to get into this with you

[popelli]

We have BRONZ and other such idiots to thanks for that.

BRONZ lost all credibility over 20 years ago when they voted to support helmet laws and to not even try and get them repealed.

Then Lee Hurley who started BRONZ up left and took a well paid job as a govt advisor and BRONZ lost what little direction they had left

re the rego fees, whilst NZ continues with the no fault ACC system where they levy motorcyclists who are at "fault" motorcyclists will continue to be forced off the road

If it was a true no fault system then it would be completely funded by central govt and the acc levy by vehicle type would be abolished

Glad I left NZ and took my 52 Harley with me, its pre 1971 and road tax exempt in the UK, each year it costs the uk govt money to post out the replacement tax disc

[MarkH]

And what do their greenie/money saving intentions have to do with the acc levy part?

Well, the government is saying we need to reduce emissions - so some people opt for more fuel efficient vehicles to do their part. Then another government department slaps on a rather hefty levy to punish those that try to do some good.

Increasing the ACC levy on petrol and completely removing it from the rego would be a good move. Incourage people to use less petrol (cause it's dearer) and get more ACC levy from those that spend more time on the road. If those that spend a lot of time on the road change to more fuel efficient vehicles as a result then it is not an entirely bad thing from an ecological point of view.

[dipshit]

BRONZ lost all credibility over 20 years ago when they voted to support helmet laws and to not even try and get them repealed.

BRONZ lost all credibility when they first decided to oppose compulsory helmet use.

[MDR2]

less then 7 bucks a week to register a bike... not bad imo

Not that hard to put a few bucks to one side for the unavoidable rego cost in 12 months time... and then it's not so much of a shock to the wallet.

It's not like they spring it on you, you can't say you didn't know it was coming.

[Jizah]

"I'm going to punch you in the face"

What's the problem? You knew about it.

And they did sort of spring it on us. I need a new one next week, I didn't know the price had gone up. Quite significantly too.

[SMOKEU]

Well, the government is saying we need to reduce emissions - so some people opt for more fuel efficient vehicles to do their part. Then another government department slaps on a rather hefty levy to punish those that try to do some good.

Increasing the ACC levy on petrol and completely removing it from the rego would be a good move. Incourage people to use less petrol (cause it's dearer) and get more ACC levy from those that spend more time on the road. If those that spend a lot of time on the road change to more fuel efficient vehicles as a result then it is not an entirely bad thing from an ecological point of view.

Then they will also increase tax on diesel which will increase the rate of inflation, so most things you buy will be more expensive. The majority of things we buy from shops gets delivered to the shops by truck, not by horse and cart these days.

[idleidolidyll]

Blame the weekend MX riders and farmers: You get to pay for the ACC charges covering their accidents in addition to actual on road prangs

Think about it:

Bruised and broken person heads to Doc. Doc asks what happened, Farmer and weekend MX riders who may not even ride road bikes say: "I fell off my motorcycle"

Doc writes as ACC claim. Now how many weekend MX accidents do you think there are compared to actual road crashes??

Is there anyone there who can confirm that this is how it works?

[Squiggles]

Blame the weekend MX riders and farmers: You get to pay for the ACC charges covering their accidents in addition to actual on road prangs

Think about it:

Bruised and broken person heads to Doc. Doc asks what happened, Farmer and weekend MX riders who may not even ride road bikes say: "I fell off my motorcycle"

Doc writes as ACC claim. Now how many weekend MX accidents do you think there are compared to actual road crashes??

Is there anyone there who can confirm that this is how it works?

How many mx bikes are over 750cc? Cant blame em for that 35%

[MDR2]

"I'm going to punch you in the face"

What's the problem? You knew about it.

And they did sort of spring it on us. I need a new one next week, I didn't know the price had gone up. Quite significantly too.


Fairly retarded reply, seems your a little hot under the collar and not open to reasonable suggestions and out there concepts like the 'plan for the future' idea i put forward.

I wasn't reffering to the springing of the new cost either more the actual payment of rego... also, im sure there was a news release type of deal last year or early this year with regards to the new levy's

good luck with life.

[MDR2]

Blame the weekend MX riders and farmers: You get to pay for the ACC charges covering their accidents in addition to actual on road prangs

Think about it:

Bruised and broken person heads to Doc. Doc asks what happened, Farmer and weekend MX riders who may not even ride road bikes say: "I fell off my motorcycle"

Doc writes as ACC claim. Now how many weekend MX accidents do you think there are compared to actual road crashes??

Is there anyone there who can confirm that this is how it works?

Theres a spot on the ACC45 form that asks 'Did the accident happen on a public road' Yes/No

How the weekend mx and farmers are funded i have not yet been able to find out.

[scumdog]

BRONZ lost all credibility when they first decided to oppose compulsory helmet use.

Imagine how high the ACC levy would be today if helmet wearing was optional....:eek5:

[scumdog]

There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.

:weird:

Has anybody got the figures of car vs bike compared to bike crashes where only the bike was involved?


I suspect Katman may not be too far off the mark.....:yes:

[MDR2]

Has anybody got the figures of car vs bike compared to bike crashes where only the bike was involved?


I suspect Katman may not be too far off the mark.....:yes:

the very stats you ask for have been posted previously in another thread

the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can

[scumdog]

the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can

My experince points to that too.

Hope you can publish the figures.

[idleidolidyll]

Imagine how high the ACC levy would be today if helmet wearing was optional....:eek5:

it might be cheaper; all those hogly riders could be dead and the gang problem might be solved

[Robert Taylor]

Blame the weekend MX riders and farmers: You get to pay for the ACC charges covering their accidents in addition to actual on road prangs

Think about it:

Bruised and broken person heads to Doc. Doc asks what happened, Farmer and weekend MX riders who may not even ride road bikes say: "I fell off my motorcycle"

Doc writes as ACC claim. Now how many weekend MX accidents do you think there are compared to actual road crashes??

Is there anyone there who can confirm that this is how it works?

Got to agree with the basic intent of what you say, I think that if you are engaged in such sports you should have your own seperate insurance cover.

Also having been invloved with farm ATVs for too many years I can quote too many examples of insurance and acc payments re farm quad accidents. Cause of accidents too often included bald tyres and / or no brakes.

[skidMark]

Fair call... scooter riders are still doing 50-60 kph... in no riding gear except generally an open face helmet, they cant ride for shit usually... they bin get seriously fucked up and it hikes our acc levis, give them back thier own fucking acc levi's i say.

[idleidolidyll]

Theres a spot on the ACC45 form that asks 'Did the accident happen on a public road' Yes/No

How the weekend mx and farmers are funded i have not yet been able to find out.

i may just stand corrected; thanks MDR2

i wonder if the tabulators actually use that answer when looking for places to charge for the repair bills? maybe i'm just an old cynic

[idleidolidyll]

Got to agree with the basic intent of what you say, I think that if you are engaged in such sports you should have your own seperate insurance cover.

Also having been invloved with farm ATVs for too many years I can quote too many examples of insurance and acc payments re farm quad accidents. Cause of accidents too often included bald tyres and / or no brakes.

Oh shit, the world must be ending; me and bob agree on summit..................:woohoo:

[idleidolidyll]

Quote:
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by MDR2 http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/bgold/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129349424#post1129349424)
the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can
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My experince points to that too.

Hope you can publish the figures.

Then again the lyin cheatin coppers always say speed was a major factor even when it wasn't; can you believe what bureaucrats write?

[scumdog]

Quote:
<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset ;"> Originally Posted by MDR2 http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/bgold/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1129349424#post1129349424)
the number 1 cause of bike crashes recorded is rider error.

I'll find it if I can
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Then again the lyin cheatin coppers always say speed was a major factor even when it wasn't; can you believe what bureaucrats write?


Get a grip, all I want to know is how many crashes involve a vehicle other than the bike that crashed.

[Squiggles]

Has anybody got the figures of car vs bike compared to bike crashes where only the bike was involved?


I suspect Katman may not be too far off the mark.....:yes:

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129276834&postcount=62)

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

[scumdog]

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129276834&postcount=62)

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

So 39% involving a collision and the rider not at fault, very interesting.:Oops:

My 'hands on' experience has been different to that but I'm not in a large cosmopolitan area.

[MDR2]

Im feeling the love linking to myself.... Posted here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129276834&postcount=62)

On page 4, Motorcyclist Fault in crashes 2003-2007:

Single vehicle rider at Fault: 26%
Single vehicle no rider fault ID'd: 3%
Multi vehicle primary responsibility: 25%
Multi vehicle partial responsibility: 7%
Multi vehicle, no rider fault ID'd: 39%

bitch, i just wasted 10 mins looking for that thread! :)

Start of thread here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=102135&highlight=rider+fault&page=1

[Katman]

So 39% involving a collision and the rider not at fault, very interesting.:Oops:

My 'hands on' experience has been different to that but I'm not in a large cosmopolitan area.

Trouble is, that 39% includes the motorcyclists that have a collision that they could have in fact avoided - even though technically they might not have been at fault.

[phaedrus01]

yeah I gotta agree 'bout the majority of scooter riders out there. I often feel waaay out of place wearing ATG on my scooter while I'm in the process of saving up for a proper bike.
Just today i was riding home and was riding alongside a chick with skirt on cruising along with only one hand on the throttle for quite some time. Ummm duh hello, Some people are almost to thick to be alive!!

[inlinefour]

it does make me feel a bit cautious when travelling by myself,i was stopped on one occassion at a checkpoint about 2006/07 and still had my 03 expiry sticker on,shitted myself but the cop just did a breathtest,looked at rego but he must just have looked at the month not year?didnt worry about wof and sent me on my way,but really i only take it on group rides now cause i have the safe feeling of being in a pack

Thinking back on how I used to ride on the cbr600rr or drz400e down the back roads, with or without other riders. Im buggered if I would be riding without being road legal as it is required for full insurance. It cost 16K for the bike, which I would be disappointed if I dropped. Ive seen the end result of a few offs involving other vehicles. One was head on and I had to lie down in the ditch, with a smashed up rider, the bike was smashed all the road, over about 15m (I think, others that was there might be able to comment further). Not only was the bike written off and not really much use, even for parts, but the car was written off also. Im buggered if I would want the bill of that car as well as the bike, once the insurance company caught up with me and took me to court. I pray that never happens to you, but your risking a bite in the wallet also. You could obviously afford the bike, why cant you afford to ride legally? :spanking:


yeah I gotta agree 'bout the majority of scooter riders out there. I often feel waaay out of place wearing ATG on my scooter while I'm in the process of saving up for a proper bike.
Just today i was riding home and was riding alongside a chick with skirt on cruising along with only one hand on the throttle for quite some time. Ummm duh hello, Some people are almost to thick to be alive!!

I must admit that I allways wore safety orientated clothing, codura, kevlar, leather, boots or what ever makes up the helmet. Ive ridden along on either of my bike with only one hand on the handle bars. It was not the norm, but does that make me just as thick as her? I agree that Ive seen some nice potang on scooters with very little on, which IMO is unwise, but its a good way to get me to slow down. ;)


Fair call... scooter riders are still doing 50-60 kph... in no riding gear except generally an open face helmet, they cant ride for shit usually... they bin get seriously fucked up and it hikes our acc levis, give them back thier own fucking acc levi's i say.

What are you talking about Willis??? I used to borrow Donna's magic and when I could get away with it pull a nice stoppie. I wouldnt say scooter riders are she-art riders usually, as I know so many that have a decent motorcycle(s) also. :Oi:

[Digitdion]

Only one option boys and girls. Earn as much _ash as possible. Not that I could do it. But the money you save in tax you still give to john Key in Crazy rego fees. So you would be even. Thats fair, don't you think?

[JMemonic]

There are some seriously deluded motorcyclists out there.

Ok I understand where you are coming from but scenario for you,

MC indicating to turn right, and in right hand lane, car in straight through lane literally dives over into the right lane and proceeds to turn right on top of the MC pushing it into the traffic island.

In this situation it could have been a bike involved in a solo accident with the car just continuing on or the claim made that the motorcyclist was in the wrong and attempted to overtake a turning vehicle depending on statements, and if the rider in in hospital in a coma as they ended up getting hit by the cars coming from the other direction at high speed where will the finger be pointed ?

Cant happen? Sounds like B/S? Well it dam near happened about 1 hour ago in Christchurch, I got a wee bit lucky and had planned room to move.

[JMemonic]

Trouble is, that 39% includes the motorcyclists that have a collision that they could have in fact avoided - even though technically they might not have been at fault.

Camper vans of course dont count.

[Squiggles]

Cant happen? Sounds like B/S? Well it dam near happened about 1 hour ago in Christchurch, I got a wee bit lucky and had planned room to move.

Yep, it happens. But i bet the opposite happens too.

[JMemonic]

Yep, it happens. But i bet the opposite happens too.

Ahh that's my point, it could have easily been another injury or death statistic, that would appear the motorcyclist was in the wrong. Not saying all collisions ar the fault of other drivers but they are a factor that some seem to disbelieve the involvement of.

[idleidolidyll]

Get a grip, all I want to know is how many crashes involve a vehicle other than the bike that crashed.

the point is perfectly valid; given that the law enforcers are liars and that bureaucrats will fudge figures to justify the ends; i wouldn't trust either of am

[ukusa]

Robbing fucking cunts.... sums up my thought's!

same with owning a diesel! :shit:

What would they charge for a diesel bike then?:gob:

[Big Zappa]

Does anyone have the breakdown of the ACC levy vs Stephen Joyce's Department gouging us so their balance sheet looks better?

[dmc]

$570 a year for my car and bike and I can only use one at a time but pay ACC levies on both, how can that not be wrong?

When they put their costs up truck drivers head to town and shut down all the major centres, maybe its time the major cities see what its like to have a few thousand bikes filling the majors streets for a few hours? :bash:

[bogan]

$570 a year for my car and bike and I can only use one at a time but pay ACC levies on both, how can that not be wrong?

When they put their costs up truck drivers head to town and shut down all the major centres, maybe its time the major cities see what its like to have a few thousand bikes filling the majors streets for a few hours? :bash:

Id be keen for a passive protest, as the owner of two cars, and two streetbikes, id like to see some consideration for multiple vehicle owners.

[MarkH]

Id be keen for a passive protest, as the owner of two cars, and two streetbikes, id like to see some consideration for multiple vehicle owners.

Like scrapping the ACC levy on Rego and putting a few more cents on petrol - perfect solution, the more you drive/ride the more you pay to ACC (and road tax). You would only pay for the petrol for the vehicle you are using, not for the other 3 sitting at home not using petrol and not increasing your risk of injury.

I can't see any other way of doing it TBH. If they let multiple vehicle owners pay less then there would be people owning heaps of cars while their family members owned none, but borrowed from the person with heaps. If they put it on licenses then those that don't currently own a car and live near work or take public transport would pay ACC for a risk that they don't have.

[bogan]

Like scrapping the ACC levy on Rego and putting a few more cents on petrol - perfect solution, the more you drive/ride the more you pay to ACC (and road tax). You would only pay for the petrol for the vehicle you are using, not for the other 3 sitting at home not using petrol and not increasing your risk of injury.

I can't see any other way of doing it TBH. If they let multiple vehicle owners pay less then there would be people owning heaps of cars while their family members owned none, but borrowed from the person with heaps. If they put it on licenses then those that don't currently own a car and live near work or take public transport would pay ACC for a risk that they don't have.

Thats a good point, but putting it on fuel would charge the cagers more acc levies, as they use more fuel. Which I wouldnt complain about, but im sure the cagers would! Maybe integrate milage from the previous rego period into the rego bill, and charge acc according to that, essentially post paid diesle miles but for acc.

[oldrider]

http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/vehicle-ownership/licensing-fees.html

Please someone tell me I am horribly mistaken and being a flippin idiot but, it looks to me like it now costs $310 to register a scooter for 12 mths FFS.:shit:

Bike $321.24
Car $247.86
Truck $398.45

Increases in ACC all because Liabour cocked up and lied about their ACC blowout!

Show me the difference between Labour lead and National lead governments!

If you can, I bet it will include a severe increase in costs to the ordinary voter! :doh:

[scumdog]

Id be keen for a passive protest, as the owner of two cars, and two streetbikes, id like to see some consideration for multiple vehicle owners.

Dead right - four cars here (ok, two on 'hold') and three motorbikes (one on 'hold').

Waay too much money out of my pocket:angry2:

[Soul.Trader]

Increases in ACC all because Liabour cocked up and lied about their ACC blowout!

Labour =/= ACC. Thanks for playing.

[MDR2]

$570 a year for my car and bike and I can only use one at a time but pay ACC levies on both, how can that not be wrong?

When they put their costs up truck drivers head to town and shut down all the major centres, maybe its time the major cities see what its like to have a few thousand bikes filling the majors streets for a few hours? :bash:

When you crash in your car your funded by that portion set aside by acc, when you write yourself off on your bike your funded by the money put aside in a similar manner.

At least thats my understanding of it.

[MarkH]

Thats a good point, but putting it on fuel would charge the cagers more acc levies, as they use more fuel.

Yeah, but the car ACC Levy is currently $168.46 - car drivers would have their rego bill drop by that much. If they don't do many kms per year then they would spend less money then they do now. If they do a lot of kms then they will spend more, but that is fair. I also think that it is fair for the car drivers to pay for some of the motorcycle riders ACC costs due to some of the riders accidents being the fault of car drivers.

I also believe that charging ACC levies on the petrol would be a very simple way to do it - and that is definitely an important thing if the government wants to implement a change.

[MDR2]

Increases in ACC all because Liabour cocked up and lied about their ACC blowout!


Projected blowout....

ACC Projects future costs

ie When joe blogs sprains their wrist furiously masturbating over dodgy Paris hilton pics in womans weekly then makes a visit to the GP to make a ACC claim, it's assumed they will need x amount of physio appointments and possibly surgery later on down the track... that may or may not happen, the claimant may just give wanking up for a week and then be fine, no further cost to the system... but the projected cost remains.

Now given the 1000's upon 1000's claims they get a year the projected costs builds up substantially.

Im guessing National will look at the figures again when it suits them and see that the crisis they predicted and fed the media with will not eventuate and then they'll say it was because of their input.

People cry on about the cost of paying for rego but if you knew to cost of the average surgical procedure.... i think you would quite happily pay rego fee instead. Factor in you may need more then one procedure to get you back on your feet and then theres the on going costs like home help, weekly comp, rehab the list goes on and on and so does the $$$.

I understand it's a bitter pill to be paying for something when you don't see any rewards for any of money you throw at it. I for one am glad theres a system in place... its not without it's faults but its largley a good system.

[MDR2]

Yeah, but the car ACC Levy is currently $168.46 - car drivers would have their rego bill drop by that much. If they don't do many kms per year then they would spend less money then they do now. If they do a lot of kms then they will spend more, but that is fair. I also think that it is fair for the car drivers to pay for some of the motorcycle riders ACC costs due to some of the riders accidents being the fault of car drivers.

I also believe that charging ACC levies on the petrol would be a very simple way to do it - and that is definitely an important thing if the government wants to implement a change.

What about the car drivers not causing accidents?

I've never in my life caused a motorcyclist to injure themselves... excluding me of course :D

[MarkH]

What about the car drivers not causing accidents?

I think you may have misunderstood how ACC works - it is like insurance, everyone pays in and the unfortunate get paid out. I have never received ACC as a result of car driving or motorcycle riding and yet I have paid a lot of money in ACC levies over the last 26 years that I have had a license. I have never received ACC for a workplace accident or been paid ACC for income lost and yet ACC levies have been paid by my employers in the past and by me directly (self employed) over the last few years.

If they have to collect ACC to cover vehicle accidents then they should do it the fairest way possible - I think that is with a levy on fuel, not a levy on the vehicle rego. I currently have two rego bills in front of me, one is for a car that has done less than 1000 in the last year, I'll be selling the car rather than paying that.

[MDR2]

Yeah yeah, it was a tounge in cheek comment :P and working for ACC i thought i would have qualified as someone that knows how it works. (though im always learning)

I'm a little confused as to how you think a fuel levy would work though, are you proposing we ditch the rego fee and pay 10 bucks a litre for fuel? (this is a bogus figure plucked out of the air)

[heh I've had a few beers and wines tonight so you might have to spell it out :D ]

[scumdog]

Yeah yeah, it was a tounge in cheek comment :P and working for ACC i thought i would have qualified as someone that knows how it works. (though im always learning)

I'm a little confused as to how you think a fuel levy would work though, are you proposing we ditch the rego fee and pay 10 bucks a litre for fuel? (this is a bogus figure plucked out of the air)

[heh I've had a few beers and wines tonight so you might have to spell it out :D ]

Hell no, my 13mpg Yank-Tank that I drive modestly against a 95mpg scooter 'ridden' by a rope-head V-guzzling 16-year-old that screams the nuts off it everywhere?


I'd be subsidising the scooter ridder just a tad don't you think?.

[Pixie]

As a motorcyclist of some years I've been a recipient of ACC a couple of times. The last time was a little more serious than the last and without ACC I would have lost my home since I was unable to work for a number of months so I certainly don't have an issue with paying my bit. Those that say they never fall off so why should they pay should be so lucky. ACC is like insurance. We all hate paying it but when you need it you're fuck'n glad you did pay.

What I find wrong is the fact that owners of more than one vehicle get stung multiple times. Since I can only operate one vehicle at a time that is a little hard to swallow. It's a shame that a system where the owner is levied rather than the vehicle has not been worked out. That would be much fairer.
You're the kind of sucker ACC loves.
No ACC?Get personal insurance - it would cost less than $250+ for every vehicle you own.

[Pixie]

In one of the major cities Oz quite a few years ago, bikers protested by taking up car parking spaces in the CBD. I don't remember what the issue was but the authorities 'got the message' and backed down, $320 :eek5:pa is just over the friggin top!!!:angry2:

Kiwis will never protest.
What do you think they are ?French?

Just bend over like well trained sheep,spread your cheeks and pay $320 for the priviledge.

[ducatilover]

It is getting bloody ridiculous. I have to rego two cages and once I get another bike or two....:Oi:

[MarkH]

I'm a little confused as to how you think a fuel levy would work though, are you proposing we ditch the rego fee and pay 10 bucks a litre for fuel? (this is a bogus figure plucked out of the air)

I would think that the ACC levy could be dropped from the rego fee - this would drop the rego for car or bike down to ~$60. I am not too sure how much more would be added to the petrol - maybe 20c or so. Even 25c more on petrol is only a 15% increase in the price. The government could call it a green tax and make like it is a Kyoto thing - then give the money to ACC.

Petrol would still be cheaper here than in the UK.

Note: added benefit - we could have Scumdog subsidise us whenever he uses his gas guzzler Yank-Tank! :bleh:

[Max Preload]

...as the owner of two cars, and two streetbikes, id like to see some consideration for multiple vehicle owners.

Don't hold your breath. I simply make my own 'consideration'.

[mowgli]

What I find wrong is the fact that owners of more than one vehicle get stung multiple times. Since I can only operate one vehicle at a time that is a little hard to swallow. It's a shame that a system where the owner is levied rather than the vehicle has not been worked out. That would be much fairer.
You mean like attach it to your licence somehow? Renew all licences annually and pay the ACC levy at the same time. Wouldn't be any need to call on AA unless it was your turn to be tested. Could all be done over the interweb and the new licence sent in the mail.

Would be simple to police - valid licence equals levy paid. I wonder how the number of driver licences in regular use compares with the number of vehicles in regular use.

[MDR2]

Hell no, my 13mpg Yank-Tank that I drive modestly against a 95mpg scooter 'ridden' by a rope-head V-guzzling 16-year-old that screams the nuts off it everywhere?


I'd be subsidising the scooter ridder just a tad don't you think?.

I thought it sounded a silly idea too.