New Production Classes Nationals....who's racing?

[Tony.OK]

Just to keep Shaun's other thread simple...

The new SBK and SS production classes have been confirmed.

Rules :

Open Stock Production Cup SBK (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2010_Appendix_C_Super_Bikes_updated_11_May_09.pdf)

Stock Production Cup S/S (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Sports_Production_Regualtions_Appendix_A_updated_1 1_May_09.pdf)

[Maido]

Just to keep Shaun's other thread simple...

The new SBK and SS production classes have been confirmed.

Rules :

Open Stock Production Cup SBK (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/2010_Appendix_C_Super_Bikes_updated_11_May_09.pdf)

Stock Production Cup S/S (http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Sports_Production_Regualtions_Appendix_A_updated_1 1_May_09.pdf)

When you say confirmed, they are still in the proposed rule section of the MNZ site. There is no where that I can see that states they are confirmed. Not picking points but if they are confirmed somewhere on the site can you post a link, and when does it say they wil be introduced?

[Tony.OK]

When you say confirmed, they are still in the proposed rule section of the MNZ site. There is no where that I can see that states they are confirmed. Not picking points but if they are confirmed somewhere on the site can you post a link, and when does it say they wil be introduced?

Yeah I got the info from KiwiRacer.co.nz, I have a feeling they are a little more up to date in posting on their site.

http://www.kiwiracer.co.nz/mcsportnews.html , half way down.

Takes effect Jan 2010:yes:

I can't even get the MNZ site to work now hahaa.

[wharfy]

So you can dick with the front end as long as you use OEM parts (springs/valves emulators but can't swap the complete cartridge and use any rear shock you want ?



Change the exhaust pretty much the whole thing apart from the headers, dick with cam timing, undercut the gears, change gearing (but use stock chain size and pitch) change the oil lines ??? add crash protection use an after market fuel tuning device but you have to use the stock airbox/filter ??

Man these things are not easy to read (and there are still references to priviteer cup in it)

I hope this is NOT the final form it is VERY rough.

[Tony.OK]

So you can dick with the front end as long as you use OEM parts (springs/valves emulators but can't swap the complete cartridge and use any rear shock you want ?



Change the exhaust pretty much the whole thing apart from the headers, dick with cam timing, undercut the gears, change gearing (but use stock chain size and pitch) change the oil lines ??? add crash protection use an after market fuel tuning device but you have to use the stock airbox/filter ??

Man these things are not easy to read (and there are still references to priviteer cup in it)

I hope this is NOT the final form it is VERY rough.

I think the main point of these rules is that you don't HAVE to do any of it though, and you'll still be competitive, yes you could spend extra $$ on cam slotting etc, but now a rider can pretty much take a stock bike and be able to compete against very similar bikes in their own class. None of those allowable mods will gain much in net performance.

Having seen what the likes of Craig S can do on a stock engined Blade shows that the bikes are fairly capable as they are.............engine wise.

Stuff like undercutting is more for reliablity/peace of mind, everyone's prob heard about Biggles probs.

The way i'm looking at it all is that I know I can't beat the fast guys, i can't afford to be rebuilding top ends all the time, but now I can race with them without the big maintenance costs...............and have something to race for rather than being a tail end charlie on a lower spec'd bike.

Thats my take anyway.......................unless someone wants to supply a NZ SBK bike for me to play on:whistle:

[Deano]

As soon as the wife goes back to work.......I'm selling the SV and stepping up to one or the other !!



Having seen what the likes of Craig S can do on a stock engined Blade shows that the bikes are fairly capable as they are.............engine wise.



Ah yes but it is the King of Bikes now eh LOL

[Maido]

Yeah I got the info from KiwiRacer.co.nz, I have a feeling they are a little more up to date in posting on their site.

http://www.kiwiracer.co.nz/mcsportnews.html , half way down.

Takes effect Jan 2010:yes:

I can't even get the MNZ site to work now hahaa.

Cheers for that Tony.
Until it is on the MNZ site, or I receive my letter in the mail regarding the changes to my class, i am still not going to rush out and tell people about it. You think that something this important and significant to racing in NZ would be mailed out to MNZ licence holders before it gets made public, that way they could guage interest in the class, let the riders themselves know to be able to plan etc.
I wouldn't be up with half the rules and changes if it wasn't for KB.

[Tony.OK]

Cheers for that Tony.
Until it is on the MNZ site, or I receive my letter in the mail regarding the changes to my class, i am still not going to rush out and tell people about it. You think that something this important and significant to racing in NZ would be mailed out to MNZ licence holders before it gets made public, that way they could guage interest in the class, let the riders themselves know to be able to plan etc.
I wouldn't be up with half the rules and changes if it wasn't for KB.

I hear ya.................tis only because I'm keen as mustard for it that I have been following it closely, emailing Paul Stewart and Pav, bikes already built to those rules so I'm screwed if it changes hahaa.

Receive a letter?..................I've been waiting 2 years for my rulebook haha.

[Drew]

Why the interest Shaun?

I think the winter series has shown that we're not staying home rather than race because of current economics.

And it's been a while since any class at the nats could be called a success numbers wise.

I think if it puts three more bikes on the track in the superbike races, let them have the three positions for their class.

[wharfy]

Well I guess my bike would qualify for sports production stock production cup (that rolls of the tongue nicely ) as long as no one wanted me to reconnect the rear stop light switch (as per wiring harness section) cause it melted on the exhaust so I cut the wire off :)

Sadly unless my riding improves I won't qualify, but hey I've got the rest of the winter series and a few street meetings to get up to speed (or closer to the speed) :)

[johan]

What kind of support classes are usually run in nationals? Would me prehistoric bike fit anywhere?

Or do I need to find me a new bike/class?

I'd love to ride all the south island tracks once.

[wharfy]

What kind of support classes are usually run in nationals? Would me prehistoric bike fit anywhere?

Or do I need to find me a new bike/class?

I'd love to ride all the south island tracks once.

We could work on vic club to have bears at their round, I think they can have what ever they want.

[k14]

I think the winter series has shown that we're not staying home rather than race because of current economics.
Yeah what I've been saying all along. The current economic situation has sfa to do with the low numbers. They have been low before when there wasn't a "worldwide recession". I wonder how the number fared back in the 30's during the great depression...

Sadly unless my riding improves I won't qualify, but hey I've got the rest of the winter series and a few street meetings to get up to speed (or closer to the speed) :)
They won't kick you out unless you are rediculously slow. If you don't get lapped more than say 2 or 3 times in a 15 lap race you will be fine. The 115% (or whatever it is) threshold has (afaik) never been invoked at nationals. It is there incase the class is oversubscribed (tui??) or someone is dangerously slow.

We could work on vic club to have bears at their round, I think they can have what ever they want.
I doubt they would do that again. Last year they had a twins class (because everyone wanted one) and only half a dozen bikes showed up. I think they should just have a bog standard clubmans at every meeting. That allows a bigger range of riders to come and ride just so they can be a part of the show.

[SWERVE]

Well i had planned on doing "Sports Production" (Privateers Cup) or maybe putting my lad on it.
But as i have just replaced the standard filter with a K&N (cos its cheaper & cleanable):wacko:
And just bought a selection of rear sprockets (in 520 pitch) cos they are cheaper and more readily available than standard 525):wacko:

Im not spending more money to go back to standard.
Two pointless rules i say.................. as almost everyone has to change a filter (for maintance reasons) and sprockets ( for optimum gearing).
So why do they have to remain standard.:wacko:

So looks like the lad will be on our SV in either F3 or Pro twin if he wants to step up this season.;)

[mossy1200]

Yeah what I've been saying all along. The current economic situation has sfa to do with the low numbers. They have been low before when there wasn't a "worldwide recession". I wonder how the number fared back in the 30's during the great depression...

They won't kick you out unless you are rediculously slow. If you don't get lapped more than say 2 or 3 times in a 15 lap race you will be fine. The 115% (or whatever it is) threshold has (afaik) never been invoked at nationals. It is there incase the class is oversubscribed (tui??) or someone is dangerously slow.

I doubt they would do that again. Last year they had a twins class (because everyone wanted one) and only half a dozen bikes showed up. I think they should just have a bog standard clubmans at every meeting. That allows a bigger range of riders to come and ride just so they can be a part of the show.
Are you saying I could put my posty senior into nationals at manfield round.
Would 1.15 -16s be dangerously slow?

[johan]

Are you saying I could put my posty senior into nationals at manfield round.
Would 1.15 -16s be dangerously slow?

Not in Superbike if that's what you're asking:

Production Superbike motorcycles and the Open Stock Production Cup
(a) Require an MNZ homologation no older than five years.

13 Other motorcycles that are Eligible.
In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class
upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize
money will not apply.

[k14]

Well i had planned on doing "Sports Production" (Privateers Cup) or maybe putting my lad on it.
But as i have just replaced the standard filter with a K&N (cos its cheaper & cleanable):wacko:
And just bought a selection of rear sprockets (in 520 pitch) cos they are cheaper and more readily available than standard 525):wacko:

Im not spending more money to go back to standard.
Two pointless rules i say.................. as almost everyone has to change a filter (for maintance reasons) and sprockets ( for optimum gearing).
So why do they have to remain standard.:wacko:

So looks like the lad will be on our SV in either F3 or Pro twin if he wants to step up this season.;)
There is nothing stopping you putting him in supersport to race against the guys anyway. He won't get the privateer points but does that really matter in the big scheme? The experience will be worth it if he can handle the pace.

[mossy1200]

Not in Superbike if that's what you're asking:

Production Superbike motorcycles and the Open Stock Production Cup
(a) Require an MNZ homologation no older than five years.

13 Other motorcycles that are Eligible.
In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class
upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize
money will not apply.
Just wondering because with the airbox back on it would be stock bike.Does the 5 year still apply?
Edit ..had look and applies for both but exemptions can be granted.20years would be pushing it.
This rule must keep a few big bikes out of the system for Nationals which is a shame.

[Tony.OK]

Have sent email to Jim at MNZ to see when the rules will be on the MNZ site, and asked if they will have any changes.

If in doubt folks............get on the blower/email and ask MNZ, they need to know people are waiting, wanting confirmation.

[scuzeme]

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he :ride:

[Biggles08]

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he :ride:

wanker!:yes:

[Shaun]

I hear ya.................tis only because I'm keen as mustard for it that I have been following it closely, emailing Paul Stewart and Pav, bikes already built to those rules so I'm screwed if it changes hahaa.

Receive a letter?..................I've been waiting 2 years for my rulebook haha.



BOTH CLASSES EXSIST ALREADY< BET YOUR GOD DAM BALLS ON IT!!!!! FACT FACT FACT.

Paul Stewart is /was, the man who wrote and introduced the rules before resigning, FACT! that the NEW rules for this class have already been signed off on, PROVES that is exists, FACT AGAIN.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE ( According to the constitution of MNZ Buisness structure to change those EXISTING RULES.

The only way to change any rule now, is BASED ON SAFETY ONLY, dam guys, read your rule books so you fully understand how OUR sport operates, it will save some of you ( MOST ACTUALLY) Hours of wanking on on here and going around in circles, and creatinh Caos all the time, with MIS INFO

PLEASE and SORRY for the Rant
Another FACT RE TYRES for the SS and Prod 600 class

1x Front
2X Rear For RACES

Practise and Qualify, unlimitd!!!!!!! Wets, as per the rules as they are written


Trust me, this is FACT

Now if you want to know about Crashing, Just ask me, I know how, again FACT:bash:

[Shaun]

Why the interest Shaun?

I think the winter series has shown that we're not staying home rather than race because of current economics.

And it's been a while since any class at the nats could be called a success numbers wise.

I think if it puts three more bikes on the track in the superbike races, let them have the three positions for their class.


The Interest is, it is NOW slightly cheaper to build a competitive bike, ( About $5K) and as the start of the season is getting closer, I am just trying to prime some of the club riders, to get them selves ready for the NZ Champs in a cheaper FAST Shit hot class, and also now there a few MOTOX guys watching what is going on.

YO, and stop being a bitch and trying to read my mind... Night Darling:scooter:

[Robert Taylor]

Shaun is right in what he also intimates, rules cannot just be changed on a whim. When people build bikes and invest in upspec components etc they need to be assured of a reasonable length of continuity of those rules.

[Tony.OK]

BOTH CLASSES EXSIST ALREADY< BET YOUR GOD DAM BALLS ON IT!!!!! FACT FACT FACT.

Paul Stewart is /was, the man who wrote and introduced the rules before resigning, FACT! that the NEW rules for this class have already been signed off on, PROVES that is exists, FACT AGAIN.

It is now IMPOSSIBLE ( According to the constitution of MNZ Buisness structure to change those EXISTING RULES.

The only way to change any rule now, is BASED ON SAFETY ONLY, dam guys, read your rule books so you fully understand how OUR sport operates, it will save some of you ( MOST ACTUALLY) Hours of wanking on on here and going around in circles, and creatinh Caos all the time, with MIS INFO

PLEASE and SORRY for the Rant
Another FACT RE TYRES for the SS and Prod 600 class

1x Front
2X Rear For RACES

Practise and Qualify, unlimitd!!!!!!! Wets, as per the rules as they are written


Trust me, this is FACT

Now if you want to know about Crashing, Just ask me, I know how, again FACT:bash:

Before ya go off all half cocked again.................................

Question was asked about rule comfirmation and MNZ.
There is nothing on the MNZ site to say anything to confirm any rule changes FACT

As racers we are supposed to only listen to MNZ as to what to do FACT

Trouble is to learn anything we the riders need to know we end up getting most of the info 2nd hand because its not readily available from the source FACT

That is why I have followed with interest and been in contact with Paul S and MNZ about it......................................my rants nearly over too.................point being that it shouldn't be as hard as it is to find anything out about OUR own sport:yes:

[johan]

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he :ride:

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?

[Tony.OK]

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?

Susp is same as SBK for the Open Stock class, BUT don't think "S" or "R" models are allowed.

[k14]

That's a serious question worth a serious answer.
Does anyone know?
Well the duke isn't allowed because it is over capacity, but the rules also specifically exclude "R" spec bikes. So any bike that is released in special guise will most likely not be allowed to race. I can't think of any in recent times that have been released or of anyone that has tried it on. I think you would place your fate in the hands of the steward when you got protested if you showed up with one.

[Robert Taylor]

If your "stock bike" has ohlins like my 1098s can i race that in stock superbike? he he he :ride:

The reality is that many bikes have that brand of suspension as oem. But if your 1098 Ohlins suspension is all stock it needs help. The forks blow through their stroke too readily and the rear doesnt work so well on account of Ducati changing the rear link ratio just before first production and not bothering to change the shock valving to match the new motion ratio imparted to it. The bones of the suspension are really good but Ducati dropped the ball with settings, much to the bemusement of the technicians at Ohlins.
Go and see Pat at Motomart, I have recently trained him in the upspec available and installation for both ends of that bike, it transforms it. He is the only person in Wellington / lower North Island area accredited to do this and also the only guy there privy to all the latest Ohlins updates. He is a modest guy totally devoid of BS and has been servicing suspension for nigh on 30 years, no-one else in the area can match his experience.

[Robert Taylor]

Well the duke isn't allowed because it is over capacity, but the rules also specifically exclude "R" spec bikes. So any bike that is released in special guise will most likely not be allowed to race. I can't think of any in recent times that have been released or of anyone that has tried it on. I think you would place your fate in the hands of the steward when you got protested if you showed up with one.

The fields would forseeably be a little bigger if 'R' spec bikes were allowed. That would be no bad thing to see well ridden Italian bikes mixing it up.

[NinjaBoy]

Susp is same as SBK for the Open Stock class, BUT don't think "S" or "R" models are allowed.

Probably restricted due to homologation rules

[johan]

Well the duke isn't allowed because it is over capacity, but the rules also specifically exclude "R" spec bikes. So any bike that is released in special guise will most likely not be allowed to race. I can't think of any in recent times that have been released or of anyone that has tried it on. I think you would place your fate in the hands of the steward when you got protested if you showed up with one.

The rule book says:

1 Capacity
700cc - Open 4-stroke 3 & 4 Cylinder
800cc - Open 4-stroke Twin Cylinder

Upper capacity is open, no? Or did I get that wrong?

[Shaun]

Before ya go off all half cocked again.................................

Question was asked about rule comfirmation and MNZ.
There is nothing on the MNZ site to say anything to confirm any rule changes FACT

As racers we are supposed to only listen to MNZ as to what to do FACT

Trouble is to learn anything we the riders need to know we end up getting most of the info 2nd hand because its not readily available from the source FACT

That is why I have followed with interest and been in contact with Paul S and MNZ about it......................................my rants nearly over too.................point being that it shouldn't be as hard as it is to find anything out about OUR own sport:yes:


Nothing half cocked in my reply Tony, just Facts. Try a Telephone to get the awnsers some time mate, Paul works for Honda. NOT MNZ

[GIXser]

they( mnz )also said the cam rule was brought into effect for SB, however that was changed....

[Shaun]

they( mnz )also said the cam rule was brought into effect for SB, however that was changed....



That is exactually why a spend a dollar, and call Paul Direct! Quick and accuarate for planning

[slowpoke]

So where's the numpty option then for us talent challenged individuals who'd like to go and play on some unfamiliar tracks in a support class? I'm hoping to join the travelling circus and just enter Clubman's type classes. I'm slow enough at tracks I know, you'd need an hour glass to time me at somethin' different.

[Maido]

So where's the numpty option then for us talent challenged individuals who'd like to go and play on some unfamiliar tracks in a support class? I'm hoping to join the travelling circus and just enter Clubman's type classes. I'm slow enough at tracks I know, you'd need an hour glass to time me at somethin' different.

Probaby better to just go to a club day at those tracks you haven't been to before.
National level races are exactly that, national level. I mean this in a non smart arse way. There are club days on everywhere all the time.

[Drew]

National level races are exactly that, national level.

Na man, you be watchin a different set of races than me.

There are half a dozen fast blokes in each class, and then guys just like Spud doin their thing.

Go do the Nats in Superbike bro, they need the numbers, and you'll get so much faster you'll shit your pants.

[Billy]

Na man, you be watchin a different set of races than me.

There are half a dozen fast blokes in each class, and then guys just like Spud doin their thing.

Go do the Nats in Superbike bro, they need the numbers, and you'll get so much faster you'll shit your pants.

Yip,Bang on the money,Costs a small fortune but well worth the effort

[k14]

Na man, you be watchin a different set of races than me.

There are half a dozen fast blokes in each class, and then guys just like Spud doin their thing.

Go do the Nats in Superbike bro, they need the numbers, and you'll get so much faster you'll shit your pants.
Yeah totally agree. The more the merrier imo!

[Burrt Badger]

The rules for these classes are on the MNZ website and have been for months.
Go to the site, click on information, click on proposed rule changes, scroll down and there they are.

[Drew]

The rules for these classes are on the MNZ website and have been for months.
Go to the site, click on information, click on proposed rule changes, scroll down and there they are.
Proposed?

Shaun has it from Paul that the rules are confirmed and going ahead.

Which is it for fuck sake?

Organisation and communication are coming along nicely as always I see.

[Shaun]

So where's the numpty option then for us talent challenged individuals who'd like to go and play on some unfamiliar tracks in a support class? I'm hoping to join the travelling circus and just enter Clubman's type classes. I'm slow enough at tracks I know, you'd need an hour glass to time me at somethin' different.


It is called the winter series mate

www.vicclub.co.nz There is Not enough time to cater for every one at the nats

or get down to CH CH winter series

[slowpoke]

Probaby better to just go to a club day at those tracks you haven't been to before.
National level races are exactly that, national level. I mean this in a non smart arse way. There are club days on everywhere all the time.

Whaaaat, and pay 3 lots of ferry tickets over the course of a year rather than one lot and fit in 3 tracks in just over 2 weeks....?



Go do the Nats in Superbike bro, they need the numbers, and you'll get so much faster you'll shit your pants.

I'm OLD Drew, I get to shit my pants anytime I can't make it off the couch.


It is called the winter series mate

www.vicclub.co.nz There is Not enough time to cater for every one at the nats

or get down to CH CH winter series

I know all about the Winter Series YOUNG fullah . I'm just a late starter, realistic about my pace, and don't get to race that often, so I'd just like to go down and cheer on the fast fookers and do a few skid's on some new tracks while I'm there. If they're running Clubman's I'll be in, if not, I'll have a think about propping up the Nat's class.....gawd help us all.

[Shaun]

Na man, you be watchin a different set of races than me.

There are half a dozen fast blokes in each class, and then guys just like Spud doin their thing.

Go do the Nats in Superbike bro, they need the numbers, and you'll get so much faster you'll shit your pants.



You got it mate. We all had to start some where

[Shaun]

I know there is one American rider coming to do the Stck Production 600 class, so can I double click for him and the poll


He will be on SUZUKI



PS, I think there is a mad Irish man learking as well

[Clivoris]

I know there is one American rider coming to do the Stck Production 600 class, so can I double click for him and the poll


He will be on SUZUKI



PS, I think there is a mad Irish man learking as well

Any chance of Guy Martin ever coming over for the street meetings?

[Shaun]

Any chance of Guy Martin ever coming over for the street meetings?



Not with my team mate

[kawawaka]

yep I'll probably race 2 rounds levels and ruapuna did club'ees last year and would like to step up and follow the big boys around, my bike has a few mods that wont allow it to race in the production class and i am not changing it. I am happy to enter just to gain some extra experience and increase the field numbers, more club rider should follow my example but someone better wave a flag at me if the sharp end of the field comes up behind me (wont happpen unless rules allow motogp bikes to enter?)

[k14]

yep I'll probably race 2 rounds levels and ruapuna did club'ees last year and would like to step up and follow the big boys around, my bike has a few mods that wont allow it to race in the production class and i am not changing it. I am happy to enter just to gain some extra experience and increase the field numbers, more club rider should follow my example but someone better wave a flag at me if the sharp end of the field comes up behind me (wont happpen unless rules allow motogp bikes to enter?)
Thats the attitude we need! Good on ya for getting out there and giving it a go. Anything to make the fields bigger is better for the sport imo :niceone:

[Shaun]

Thats the attitude we need! Good on ya for getting out there and giving it a go. Anything to make the fields bigger is better for the sport imo :niceone:


+1 to that K14

[KS34]

Just looking through the people that have responded and if everyone makes it to the start line plus the givens like:
Andrew Stroud
Robbie Bugden
Gareth Jones
Craig Sheriffs
Hayden Fitzgerald

It looks as though the fields at some of the rounds will be alot healther than last year. I'm gonna stick my neck out and say we could have fifteen line up on the grid at some of the rounds. Now that is cool considering the gloom.

[Shaun]

Just looking through the people that have responded and if everyone makes it to the start line plus the givens like:
Andrew Stroud
Robbie Bugden
Gareth Jones
Craig Sheriffs
Hayden Fitzgerald

It looks as though the fields at some of the rounds will be alot healther than last year. I'm gonna stick my neck out and say we could have fifteen line up on the grid at some of the rounds. Now that is cool considering the gloom.


I bet you a 12 pack, it tops out at over 23 bikes on the big bore grid

[mossy1200]

Not in Superbike if that's what you're asking:

Production Superbike motorcycles and the Open Stock Production Cup
(a) Require an MNZ homologation no older than five years.

13 Other motorcycles that are Eligible.
In special cases an invitation may be issued to a motorcycle to compete in this class
upon request, there will be no entry fee for this special invitation, points and prize
money will not apply.
If I can get my posty down to 12s at manfield where do I send my bribe monies.

[KS34]

I bet you a 12 pack, it tops out at over 23 bikes on the big bore grid

If we get 23 bikes on a Big bike grid, I will happily hand you ya favourite poison Shaun. That would be F@#^!'n sensational!!!!

[Robert Taylor]

I bet you a 12 pack, it tops out at over 23 bikes on the big bore grid

Not to dampen it but 2 of the riders listed are by no means confirmed yet.

[Shaun]

Not to dampen it but 2 of the riders listed are by no means confirmed yet.



You Know I know that mate! But what is going to make this happen is, all the people that do the Cub Scene, are going to save up a bit of spare, and turn up at the track that is closest to them and give it a go, because WE are kiwi's and the old attitude is about to come to the top again


" Give it a go mate":third:

[Marknz]

UnRulious Racing has a long term plan of racing streets, TRRS, and Nationals in the 2010/11 Summer, but this one coming is just too soon for us. But's let's see how we get on with Clubbies first aye...

But hey, you gotta have a plan