Lap times for NZ superbikes in 1990?

[Peter Smith]

Does anyone know where I can fined out the lap times of the bikes racing in NZ in 1990?
I'm racing in pre'89s and am curious what lap times Stroudy, Rees, Josiah were doing at Manfield and Pukekohe.

[Billy]

Does anyone know where I can fined out the lap times of the bikes racing in NZ in 1990?
I'm racing in pre'89s and am curious what lap times Stroudy, Rees, Josiah were doing at Manfield and Pukekohe.

Pukekohe has had a change too the left hander following the hairpin since then and it dropped the laptimes by about a second so they would be irrelevant ,But Manfeild,Aaron Slight qualified in the nines on his TKA ZXR750 at the Pan Pacific in 1991.Brian Bernard could probably give you a more accurate figure for both tracks.Contact him at Bernard racing.co.nz

[roadracingoldfart]

Didnt Terry Rhymer take the record on the Loctite Yamaha in 89 ?
Then Aaron took it back with the TKA with a 1.08 in the 2nd race.
The year Roache bust a motor up Concourse lol . Great specticle.

[Drew]

Poland had the record for manfield at 1.05 I was told, from the last time the superbikes came here.

[Shaun]

Poland had the record for manfield at 1.05 I was told, from the last time the superbikes came here.


your spokes person or you were on drugs again then

[Drew]

your spokes person or you were on drugs again then

I've looked it up and cant actually find times for that day. What were they doing?

[Shaun]

I've looked it up and cant actually find times for that day. What were they doing?



Honestly cannot remeber dude, I thing it was 1-07 ish

Billy will pop up soon and be correct

I think in 1989 first WSB meeting here, I did a 1-14 or some where around there on a 1998 GSXR750 with standard suspenion, and only a head job with cams std ecu bla bla

[Drew]

Honestly cannot remeber dude, I thing it was 1-07 ish

Billy will pop up soon and be correct

I think in 1989 first WSB meeting here, I did a 1-14 or some where around there on a 1998 GSXR750 with standard suspenion, and only a head job with cams std ecu bla bla

Jesus Shaun, Luke did 1.13 on his half fucked 96 carburated SRAD with no engine mods. :Pokey:

The minute seven record stood for some fuckin years then, boys on the thou's weren't going that fast in '03 as far as I can find in google search. (Was a half arsed look though).

[Billy]

Honestly cannot remeber dude, I thing it was 1-07 ish

Billy will pop up soon and be correct

I think in 1989 first WSB meeting here, I did a 1-14 or some where around there on a 1998 GSXR750 with standard suspenion, and only a head job with cams std ecu bla bla

Actually,To tell the truth,The Sunday of the 1992 WSB round at Manfeild was the day I retired after losing the front brakes going into Dunlop on the second lap of the 1st F2 race,Spent the rest of the day in my caravan with 2 bottles of Jack LOL,I couldnt even tell you who was riding that weekend let alone what laptimes they were doing,I barely remember even being there.If memory serves me correctly(and it probably doesnt) that Robbie Phillis did a 1.06 something and that record stood for sometime,You could ask him at the TRRS in December.I think the original question was referring to NZ superbikes anyway.Im fairly sure during the National series Russell Josiah and co were doing around the 1.10 mark.Give him a ring at Bike Torque Taumaranui

[Shaun]

Jesus Shaun, Luke did 1.13 on his half fucked 96 carburated SRAD with no engine mods. :Pokey:

The minute seven record stood for some fuckin years then, boys on the thou's weren't going that fast in '03 as far as I can find in google search. (Was a half arsed look though).


O well, show me where I can lick arse boss, and Thanks, I am a son of God, but maybe not that one:niceone:

[Peter Smith]

Thanks guys,
The NZPCRA has the first round of their season at Manfield at the Vic meeting in Sept.
Looks like the pre'89 guys on there 1000's+ still have away to go then to match the old lap times.

[roadracingoldfart]

Thanks guys,
The NZPCRA has the first round of their season at Manfield at the Vic meeting in Sept.
Looks like the pre'89 guys on there 1000's+ still have away to go then to match the old lap times.


I used to do 1.17s on a poxy CBR600 in F2 and 1.19s on an NS400R in Junior proddy but today i can only get a 1.21 on the CBR400RR as im officially old and past it i hear lol.
The other factor is the banking is less and the surface is full of joints and the bumps are everywhere lol.
With better tyres and shit we should all be able to go better but i still see improvements in classes every year by miliseconds so were almost back to the future.:niceone:

[gav]

Thanks guys,
The NZPCRA has the first round of their season at Manfield at the Vic meeting in Sept.
Looks like the pre'89 guys on there 1000's+ still have away to go then to match the old lap times.
Well, as a fair comparison I hope you have found an old stock of 20 year old tyres to use?

[gav]

The fastest lap from race 1 at Manfield from WSBK was Fred Merkel 1m 16.12s, wet race. Race 2 Stephane Mertens 1m 11.26s on slicks on a drying track.
This is the first year they came here, 1988.
1989: Race 1, Mike Dowson 1m 15.57s wet. Race 2, Aaron Slight 1m 08.17s dry.
1990: Race 1, Terry Rymer 1m 08.48s, Race 2, Rob Phillis and Raymond Roche
1m 08.39s.
1992: Race 1, Aaron Slight 1m 07.38s, Race 2, Doug Polen 1m 06.97s.
Dug out some Motocourses to check times. :niceone:

[Shaun]

The fastest lap from race 1 at Manfield from WSBK was Fred Merkel 1m 16.12s, wet race. Race 2 Stephane Mertens 1m 11.26s on slicks on a drying track.
This is the first year they came here, 1988.
1989: Race 1, Mike Dowson 1m 15.57s wet. Race 2, Aaron Slight 1m 08.17s dry.
1990: Race 1, Terry Rymer 1m 08.48s, Race 2, Rob Phillis and Raymond Roche
1m 08.39s.
1992: Race 1, Aaron Slight 1m 07.38s, Race 2, Doug Polen 1m 06.97s.
Dug out some Motocourses to check times. :niceone:


1st race, big woops by me, I gad no spare wheels back then, so just gave i a go on Slicks, YEP, I crashed out near the very end of the race, lasted a very long tome though on slicks on a wet track ha ha ha

The start money, was exactually what it cost me to repair the bike

[Peter Smith]

The fastest lap from race 1 at Manfield from WSBK was Fred Merkel 1m 16.12s, wet race. Race 2 Stephane Mertens 1m 11.26s on slicks on a drying track.
This is the first year they came here, 1988.
1989: Race 1, Mike Dowson 1m 15.57s wet. Race 2, Aaron Slight 1m 08.17s dry.
1990: Race 1, Terry Rymer 1m 08.48s, Race 2, Rob Phillis and Raymond Roche
1m 08.39s.
1992: Race 1, Aaron Slight 1m 07.38s, Race 2, Doug Polen 1m 06.97s.
Dug out some Motocourses to check times. :niceone:

Thanks Gav,
I searched for ages but couldn't find anything.
I haven't race at Manfield for some 15 years, but will be there for the first round of the NZPCRA in Sept (Vic round 5)
I was pretty sure Tony Rees was doing 1:11 on the OWO1 which would seem correct. I doubt any of the pre'89s (even with 1000+cc) will get close to that time.
As my budget only allows for second hand slicks, I think they would be a match for 20 year old tyres.:niceone:

[sugilite]

Jesus Shaun, Luke did 1.13 on his half fucked 96 carburated SRAD with no engine mods. :Pokey:

The minute seven record stood for some fuckin years then, boys on the thou's weren't going that fast in '03 as far as I can find in google search. (Was a half arsed look though).

I'm guessing thats a typo and I assume Shaun meant 1988 gsxr750.

In the late 80's, the NZ nats boys were doing 12's and the odd high 11's. Bob Toomey was the first domestic nzer to crack a "10" and that was on a gsxr1100.

[mossy1200]

Surely the track condition has got worse or new f1 bikes would be sub 1minute on modern rubber with latest suspension and power delivery?

[Shaun]

I'm guessing thats a typo and I assume Shaun meant 1988 gsxr750.

In the late 80's, the NZ nats boys were doing 12's and the odd high 11's. Bob Toomey was the first domestic nzer to crack a "10" and that was on a gsxr1100.



You got it driver

[roadracingoldfart]

I'm guessing thats a typo and I assume Shaun meant 1988 gsxr750.

In the late 80's, the NZ nats boys were doing 12's and the odd high 11's. Bob Toomey was the first domestic nzer to crack a "10" and that was on a gsxr1100.


And if my memory is correct it was a GSXR frame and a mildly tuned Power Shield 1100 engine ...... was that the same bike ???

[Drew]

Surely the track condition has got worse or new f1 bikes would be sub 1minute on modern rubber with latest suspension and power delivery?

Without question Steve. Otherwise you'd be doing at least the same times as me mate.

[mossy1200]

Without question Steve. Otherwise you'd be doing at least the same times as me mate.
Im gunna give 13-14 a go with new front end mods etc but i dont think sub 10s would be even possible on my bike ,or sub 13 with my abundance of unco

[Drew]

Im gunna give 13-14 a go with new front end mods etc but i dont think sub 10s would be even possible on my bike ,or sub 13 with my abundance of unco

I haven't done a sub ten either yet mate.

[mossy1200]

I haven't done a sub ten either yet mate.
Im talking lap times are you talking beers.We could be on a different chapter.

[roadracingoldfart]

Im talking lap times are you talking beers.We could be on a different chapter.



BRILLIANT :laugh:

[Peter Smith]

Im gunna give 13-14 a go with new front end mods etc but i dont think sub 10s would be even possible on my bike ,or sub 13 with my abundance of unco

You will have to show me the racing line before you start doing sub 13's.:laugh:
What is the pit area like? Will I need to book a garage for power outlets?

[sugilite]

And if my memory is correct it was a GSXR frame and a mildly tuned Power Shield 1100 engine ...... was that the same bike ???

Yep, that's the one. He modified it more when Glen Williams the 1st turned up with a Nico Baker framed Gsxr1100.

[Tony.OK]

You will have to show me the racing line before you start doing sub 13's.:laugh:
What is the pit area like? Will I need to book a garage for power outlets?

If ya get there early enough and get a good lean-to stall there is limited power there. they're free. But for peace of mind a garage is a good option, there's 3 types.
Old single (2 bike) $75ish
Old double skyline (6 bikes no probs) $120 I think
New pit complex garage........expensive but nice (6 bikes if ya dont need alot of room) but 2 hundy a day!

All have power.

[Drew]

If ya get there early enough and get a good lean-to stall there is limited power there. they're free. But for peace of mind a garage is a good option, there's 3 types.
Old single (2 bike) $75ish
Old double skyline (6 bikes no probs) $120 I think
New pit complex garage........expensive but nice (6 bikes if ya dont need alot of room) but 2 hundy a day!

All have power.

And the flash ones have air lines.

[mossy1200]

You will have to show me the racing line before you start doing sub 13's.:laugh:
What is the pit area like? Will I need to book a garage for power outlets?
Ill find room in our garage if need be Peter.Just let me know in advance.
Better get to Many soon.I got top tune hp,RT front end work and brakes that only work when asked to now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jvd8zUPIXA My lines Peter.Sometimes im looking for good picnic area so dont use them.
Cam was in the wrong spot so turn volume down.

[roadracingoldfart]

Yep, that's the one. He modified it more when Glen Williams the 1st turned up with a Nico Baker framed Gsxr1100.

Yip and i was going to buy Glen's old GPZ 1100 carb converted F1 bike till some asshole crashed it and stuffed it , Dallas had it for sale @ Bike Clinic.

Ohh well now ive got Hondas lol.

[bloodnut]

You guys are about right, i got the 600 production lap record off crafar in 1990 on a cbr600 with a 1.14.3, in 1991 I got my RC30 (standard bike with slicks) around in a 1.11 and in 1993 I got my yzf750 around in 1.09's. In this first year of the extended track i got the second fastest time with a 153.7 (which would have qualified me 4th at the 2009 nationals!) Jason Mckeown on the Brittan was fastest with a 152.8.

Cheers
Jared

[gixerracer]

You guys are about right, i got the 600 production lap record off crafar in 1990 on a cbr600 with a 1.14.3, in 1991 I got my RC30 (standard bike with slicks) around in a 1.11 and in 1993 I got my yzf750 around in 1.09's. In this first year of the extended track i got the second fastest time with a 153.7 (which would have qualified me 4th at the 2009 nationals!) Jason Mckeown on the Brittan was fastest with a 152.8.

Cheers
Jared

2009 Nationals was on the short track, dont think the Nats been run on the long track since the late 90's, We had a winter meeting there in 09 front 3 bikes running in the 50 second bracket I would say if they run Ntas there in the summer times would be aroun hihg 48's low 49's, I lapped 53.5 in 2006 in a 600 proddy bike in a round of the vic club winter series

[CHOPPA]

I think if Manfeild was completely resealed now guys like Sir Shirriffs etc would be able to lap in the 2s or 3s and 44s - 45s of the long track

[Grumph]

Yep, that's the one. He modified it more when Glen Williams the 1st turned up with a Nico Baker framed Gsxr1100.

That bike was the Suzuki NZ owned 1100 that Rodger Freeth had sampled and set up before deciding not to ride it.
At that Manfield meeting Bob was first into the 10's yes, but Robert on the Budget 1100 was quickest in the 2nd race making a clean sweep of records everyhere he rode it that season.
The SI was awesome that year with three 1100's being ridden to the limit - you never really saw the best in the NI that year as Robert was being tactful at Manfield - he wanted to ride for Suzuki again and beating their bike for the title wasn't the best idea...

[jnr909]

http://sbk.perugiatiming.com/autodromi.asp?p_Autodromo=MANFE&p_S_Campionato=SBK

[brads]

2009 Nationals was on the short track, dont think the Nats been run on the long track since the late 90's,

1997 i think,was it one of those sport proddy rounds only with the cars?

[Burrt Badger]

What time did Aaron do on the Castrol RC45 on the long circuit when he came back and did the demo laps after finishing 2nd in wsbk. My memory was that it made the lap record look pretty sad!!!

[bloodnut]

I'm not trying to bag anyone, just an observation. Maybe the surface is a lot worse.

It may not have been a national round in 2009 but it was one A Stroud, amoung others, on 1000cc superbikes doing a 1.51 (check mylaps) with 180 plus hp compared to our 120 hp back in 1994, not to mention the advances in tyres and brakes.

Did your 600 proddie bike have a standard exhaust, suspension and road tyres? I thought the last true 600 production bikes ran in the 1990-91 season. If you got a stock standard 600 around the big track in a 153.5 I take my hat off to you.

Aaron did a 1.52.5 after only a couple of laps, however he had spent a whole day testing there earlier in the week in a toyota and a possibly a proddie bike so he had more track knowledge than we did, not to mention an hrc works bike putting out 40 more hp than us and weighting 20 kilos less.

Times for superbikes at other tracks back then;

Pukekohe high 59 seconds
Baypark high 56 seconds
Taupo 40 seconds

[ashracer]

I know this thread is getting a bit old now but i have dugout the lap times for the NZACU & "Agip road racing pan pacific championship" Manfeild 16th & 17th nov 1991;

Mal Cambell 1.07.95 RC30(Avg 160.69kph)
Slight 1.08.05 ZXR750
Crafar 1.09 OWO1
Chris Haldane 1.10 yamaha ?
Russel josiah 1.10 ZXR
Tony rees 1.11 OWO1
J Mcewen 1.11 DUC 888
Paul gee 1.11 ZXR
Mike King 1.11 DUC 888
Robert Holden 1.11 DUC 851
A stroud 1.11 VFR750

Mike Webb was doing 1.11 on TZ250, John Reid & Scott Buckley 1.12 also on TZ's.
Shaun Harris 1.11 on RS250.

Sadanori Hikita fastest 250 of the weekend at 1.10.49.

[ashracer]

I should of mentioned Paul Pavletich was doing 1.11 on an OWO1

[wharfy]

I should of mentioned Paul Pavletich was doing 1.11 on an OWO1

Anyone know what hes been doing since he got the arse from MNZ ?

[cowpoos]

Anyone know what hes been doing since he got the arse from MNZ ?

Who bloody cares!!!

[Ivan]

I know this thread is getting a bit old now but i have dugout the lap times for the NZACU & "Agip road racing pan pacific championship" Manfeild 16th & 17th nov 1991;

Mal Cambell 1.07.95 RC30(Avg 160.69kph)
Slight 1.08.05 ZXR750
Crafar 1.09 OWO1
Chris Haldane 1.10 yamaha ?
Russel josiah 1.10 ZXR
Tony rees 1.11 OWO1
J Mcewen 1.11 DUC 888
Paul gee 1.11 ZXR
Mike King 1.11 DUC 888
Robert Holden 1.11 DUC 851
A stroud 1.11 VFR750

Mike Webb was doing 1.11 on TZ250, John Reid & Scott Buckley 1.12 also on TZ's.
Shaun Harris 1.11 on RS250.

Sadanori Hikita fastest 250 of the weekend at 1.10.49.


Really look at thosetimes and compare them with now the guys back then were fucken fast and flying considering quality of the gear now not bagging modern ridersjust saying those old skoolers were flying

[jellywrestler]

Really look at thosetimes and compare them with now the guys back then were fucken fast and flying considering quality of the gear now not bagging modern ridersjust saying those old skoolers were flying got to factor in the deterioration of the track over the years though

[roadracingoldfart]

Really look at thosetimes and compare them with now the guys back then were fucken fast and flying considering quality of the gear now not bagging modern ridersjust saying those old skoolers were flying

There was a few fast guys for sure but we had a better track to do it on and the tyres were not that far behind what we have now. I still havnt managed to do the times i did in the 80s - 90s but its not the bike , its the situation (im older) .
I was doing 1.17s on the CBR6 and 1.19s on the NS 400 but i did 1.14s on the RC30 . Best time on the CBR400 (2005-2008 ) was a 20.8 , go figure.


got to factor in the deterioration of the track over the years though

And the deterioration of the riders too !!!!. (speaking for myself of course).

[SS90]

got to factor in the deterioration of the track over the years though

Yea, never forget that..... Minefield 5 years ago was as bad as it gets.

Still, "back in those days" there was a real chance of getting an international ride, and those guys put everything on the line (just look at the names)

[roogazza]

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart;1129849028 I still havnt managed to do the times i did in the 80s - 90s but its not the bike , its the situation (im older) .
I was doing 1.17s on the CBR6 and 1.19s on the NS 400 but i did 1.14s on the RC30 . Best time on the CBR400 (2005-2008 ) was a 20.8 , go figure.[/QUOTE]

LOL I have a Zimmer frame here you can borrow P . and what about all this Ohlins stuff we have now ? Thought that was supposed to fix bumps ?

[CHOPPA]

A good rider should still be able to do 8s on an RC30 I would imagine

[roadracingoldfart]

LOL I have a Zimmer frame here you can borrow P . and what about all this Ohlins stuff we have now ? Thought that was supposed to fix bumps ?

You were using a zimmer when i started this lark you old bugger .
I used White Power and the Super Adjuster i had was pretty good for the time really , but none of us really knew how to set them up prpoerly.



A good rider should still be able to do 8s on an RC30 I would imagine

Mate , if Wally Campbell only managed a 1.07.95 (which is realllly close to a 1.08 ) then that made him a good rider then . The 30 was not really a good bike to race in stock frame form and we (my team) didnt have the budget to create the beast Honda Aussie had. An HRC kitted motor but stock frame actually made it hard to ride . I would love to know where the bike is now .
I dont think even a good rider would get better than a 1.10 now on a 30.
The rules in NZ was F1 in those days so the locals tended to have open classed machines and they had to borrow (or have a backup bike) for the WSB meetings etc so machine familarity was a challenge.
Eddie Kattenberg did ok one year on a private GSXr 750 but that was built overseas for him .

[Grumph]

All this has been very interesting but bringing the WSB stuff into it has led us away from the point.
Pre 89 we used blunderbusses - big HP 1100's which didn't really handle like the later 750's. The only point in their favour was that they were stable enough to be controllable.
What will a worked 1100 with modern suspension do on modern Manfield ?

If Robert did a low 10 - may even have done a high 9 - on an 1100 on alcohol with std forks and a White power shock, 17in Marvics & Michelin slicks - what is achievable now on a legal pre 89.

[codgyoleracer]

All this has been very interesting but bringing the WSB stuff into it has led us away from the point.
Pre 89 we used blunderbusses - big HP 1100's which didn't really handle like the later 750's. The only point in their favour was that they were stable enough to be controllable.
What will a worked 1100 with modern suspension do on modern Manfield ?

If Robert did a low 10 - may even have done a high 9 - on an 1100 on alcohol with std forks and a White power shock, 17in Marvics & Michelin slicks - what is achievable now on a legal pre 89.

At Manfield Sub 10's

[Peter Smith]

At Manfield Sub 10's

Have you been out practicing again, or is this a guesstamate?? :shit:

[roadracingoldfart]

At Manfield Sub 10's

Just not in the WInter aye Glen:innocent: !!!!! PMCC has a round there i hope , then you can pull the times :spanking:down easier. :msn-wink::niceone:

[codgyoleracer]

Have you been out practicing again, or is this a guesstamate?? :shit:

No , no practice, sorta pointless in winter as Paul ses. And no its not a guesstemate.